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Openmoko's Open Source Phone Goes Mass-Market

nerdyH writes "Openmoko has begun shipping its Linux-based, open source Neo Freerunner phone to five newly announced distributors, in Germany, France, and India, says the company. The Neo Freerunner features an open hardware design, and a Linux-based operating system that users are free to modify. The project originally hoped to produce a mass-market offering last October. The $400 Freerunner will remain available direct, online, too. A 2.5G GPRS/GSM phone like the original iPhone, it boasts a 500MHz processor, WiFi, 3D accelerometers, a 4.3-inch VGA touchscreen, Bluetooth, and built-in GPS."

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  1. 2.5G by sglewis100 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's about all I have to say... 2.5G... if not for that I'd keep my existing iPhone but because of it I'm upgrading next month.

    1. Re:2.5G by Milyardo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A 3G/3.5G/WiMax Controller Will undoubtedly come, as any manufacturer could make the controller. The competition will also keep the prices for such devices reasonable. The reason this will compete with a 3G iPhone is because you the ability to upgrade piece by piece. The iPhone you dropped $600 on last year is, and will be the same iPhone 2 years from now.

    2. Re:2.5G by svnt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Its Open-Hardware, get a 3G controller and replace the 2.5G one(when a 3G controller becomes available).

      Yeah, you're comfortable hand-soldering 0.5mm pitch BGAs, right? What 2.5G controller were you talking about?

      Buy it for what it is - freedom. If that's not enough, don't force it on yourself.

    3. Re:2.5G by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      To do a side-by-side rundown with the iPhone (correct me if I get anything wrong):

      Category: Neo FreeRunner / iPhone

      Price: $400 / $200-$400 plus specific service requirements
      Screen res: 640x480 / 480x320
      Screen size: 4.3" / 3.5"
      CPU: Samsung S3C2442 500MHz / 620 MHz ARM 1176, underclocked to 412 MHz
      GPU: SMedia 3362-based 3D graphics acceleration / PowerVR MBX 3D
      Ram: 128MB / 128MB
      Onboard flash: 256MB / 4, 8, or 16GB
      Card support: MicroSD (64MB to 8GB) / None
      Bluetooth: 2.0 / 2.0
      Wifi: 802.11b/g / 80211b/g
      USB: 1.x / 1.x
      Camera: None / 2.0 megapixel
      GPS: AGPS / None
      3D accelerometers: 2x / 1x
      Touch: Single / Multi
      Cellular: 2.5G tri-band / 2G quad band (just this month, now 3G)
      Freedom: Open / Closed

      Looks like a fair competitor.

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    4. Re:2.5G by sglewis100 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You did say correct you if wrong... so here goes. iPhone 3G has a GPS. You are absolutely correct though, in that it does compete. I'm a happy iPhone user that wants to upgrade to get faster Internet, so obviously it's not a good choice for me. But it's a good phone.

    5. Re:2.5G by svnt · · Score: 4, Informative

      The FreeRunner screen is actually a 2.8" VGA (640x480)[1]. It has got some serious DPI.

      [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02

    6. Re:2.5G by g4b · · Score: 5, Informative

      What I personally like about Moko is:
        * they do a lot of legal pioneering, in name of open source (imagine how long it takes to get contracts to little things like sim-cards)
        * they take it seriously
        * the Moko can act as USB Master. well. I can plug my phone into the moko and download its files. who can do that!?!?

    7. Re:2.5G by bigtomrodney · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually GPRS is a 2.5G technology too. 2G was the introduction of digital networks, GSM for most of us.

      Edge is technically faster than 2.5G.

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    8. Re:2.5G by ady1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      >>Bluetooth: 2.0 / 2.0

      Just to clarify that it means nothing to have a bluetooth 2.0 in iphone as it doesn't support any useful profile except mono handsfree.

      I would define it as:

      Bluetooth: 2.0 / 2.0 Crippled Edition

    9. Re:2.5G by ohcrapitssteve · · Score: 3, Informative

      The iPhone 3G has A-GPS, or assisted GPS. It is a real, honest-to-God GPS receiver, but queries a database of known wifi hotspots and their locations in the event GPS lock can't be obtained.

      Your iPod Touch does the latter already. It does not find you via the approximated location of your IP address.

    10. Re:2.5G by intangible · · Score: 5, Interesting

      These are the things I'm under the impression that the Neo phone will support that the iPhone does not have:
      A2DP (Bluetooth Stereo)
      MMS
      Replaceable Battery
      Expandable Flash Memory
      Cut and Paste
      Voice Dialing
      Bluetooth Tether / Modem support
      Flash Support

    11. Re:2.5G by andyfrommk · · Score: 4, Informative

      To do a side-by-side rundown with the iPhone
      Go here
  2. Some corrections by comm2k · · Score: 4, Informative

    it boasts a 500MHz processor, WiFi, 3D accelerometers, a 4.3-inch VGA touchscreen, Bluetooth, and built-in GPS." But will run @ 400 MHz. 2.8 inch VGA touchscreen.
  3. 'Merica by Rinisari · · Score: 4, Funny

    I iz American. I can has OpenMoko?

    translation: When is US getting sweet, sweet OpenMoko goodness?

    1. Re:'Merica by kdean06 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Right now, Openmoko is shipping devices to the Eu resellers. By the time the resellers get the devices, the American shipping hub in Fremont, CA should be stocked. You'll then be able to buy the Freerunner from direct.openmoko.com. There's no official date, but so far it's looking like the first week of July.

  4. For all the people asking why X/Y/Z is missing by comm2k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    3G was never planned for this version and even subsequent versions only may get it thy can get buy it in low volume and can write/publish it with GPL'ed driver (if necessary for 3G module). Same goes for a lot of other things that your run-of-the-mill phone boasts. Most chip-makers wont even talk to you if you want low volume + open specs/drivers.
    WIFI wouldn't have been included if they didn't find an appropriate chip (for mobile phones) with open drivers etc. or at least the possibility to write an open driver with NDA'ed docs.

  5. Re:Hmmm by holdenkarau · · Score: 5, Informative

    So blatantly I have no real need for a phone, why do they all have to be so gaddamn expensive? Its non-carrier subsidized and not produced at the same volumes as some other phones, hence it is a bit more expensive.

    I can't afford much more than £5 a month for calls, will the open-ness and WIFI-ness of this phone allow me to say, use my internet (which I already pay for) to make phonecalls? (for free) Yes you can use VoIP if you so desire. If you only have £5 though, your money might be better spent on other things.

    What's with the 2.5G? Did n't the Iphone get absolutely slammed for the lack of it, something that British (european) users apparently Have To Have? Given that this is a french phone and not a US thing, surely it would come with the usual standards. Its not french, its from a company called FIC which is in Taiwan. As far as I understand 3G is expensive. You might want to check out this thread on the openmoko mailing list for a bit more of the background.

    Also, can I ssh into my computer and restart my webserver, motherfucker??? :) Yes you can.
  6. 3d accelerometers, gesture calls? by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can you set up the 3d accelerometers to do gesture-based calling? Because I can think of a few gestures I'd like to associate with some jerks I have to call on a regular basis.

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  7. Indubitably, morons by galexand · · Score: 4, Funny

    The linuxdevices story is wrong, see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02

    Indeed, 400MHz 2.8in screen.

    Further, the linuxdevices story doesn't say they have begun shipping, it says that they have announced distributors who they will ship to. The only thing they've begun shipping is contracts and red tape.

    nerdyH, you're a fucktard.

  8. Re:Hmmm by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Given that you've talked on the phone less than a minute a day for the past 9 years, I'd say you're probably better off just working out a schedule with the pizza guy instead of always just phoning him up and saying "the usual". Though it might be useful to have one around for 911 in case your hermit beard gets caught in the blender or something.

  9. Finally a hackable phone by oever · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm really considering buying a Neo Freerunner. At 300 euros it's reasonably priced.

    Some improvements I'd like to perform to it that a normal phone does not have:
      - depending on who's calling perform any of these behaviors:
          * ring, vibrate or ignore the call
          * answer the call with a dynamic or static message for example where i am (coordinates or city name), why i'm not answering (eating, sleeping, meeting)
          * install an operator menu ("Jos is in a meeting, i'm openmoko his assistant. do you want to make an appointment for him to call you back?"
      - record my accelleration and position all day (because i can)
      - switch an annoying caller to a signal of strange noises or a helpfully scripted assistant or a nice song to put them on hold with
      - put a filter on incoming and outgoing sounds to give them echo or change the pitch
      - record every call i make

       

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  10. Re:Some Experience by berating · · Score: 4, Informative
    As I already have a Freerunner, here are my experiences:
    • old TI GSM modem, recamping once a minute(!) to the mobile station, eating battery like crazy and very unreliable. A TI engineer asked me if they (openmoko) got the chips for free, as they are so ancient - no EDGE, GPRS w/ 2KB/s. Openmoko is likely the last buyer.
    • audio quailty on the headphone is lousy due to a hardware bug - as mp3 player useless
    • headphone only mono. i.e. only one side works
    • headphone unusable for making phone calls due to EM-interferences
    • no bluetooth headset support
    • no bluetooth keyboard support (dropped since last version)
    • graphics sluggish and even slower than Neo 1973 despite 2D accel chip
    • GPS has >10 minutes TTFF - yes, in 2008 where every cheapo GPS gets a fix in 45secs
    • developer community alienated by Lauer & Co. GNOME knew why they kicked Rasterman out.
    • so called ASU software is pre-alpha and reinventing the wheel once again
    Unless your company pays for it, don't buy it.
  11. Re:Wtf? 4.8" screen? 500Mhz? by tcdk · · Score: 4, Informative

    Close, but those are the specs for the Neo1973, the free runner specs are here:

    http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner

    (added wifi and faster cpu)

    Further details here:

    http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware

    I agree - the submission is bad... there's no mentioning of the phone being for sale on http://openmoko.com/ - just a "coming soon" note.

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  12. Re:Some Experience by mmontour · · Score: 3, Insightful

    headphone only mono. i.e. only one side works Are you sure about that one? The speakers in the device went from stereo (GTA01) to mono, but I never heard about a similar issue with the headphone audio. Do you have one of the production models or an earlier prototype? Is your headphone using the correct 4-pin plug?

    no bluetooth headset support No support in the current software, but AFAIK the necessary hardware is there.

    For me the killer feature is the openness of the platform (datasheets for almost all of the modules, the ability to completely brick it and then restore with JTAG, etc). I'll forgive a lot of flaws in order to support that philosophy.

  13. Re:Some Experience by wurp · · Score: 5, Informative

    You seem to have some misunderstandings about the expected state of the software, and you're conflating software & hardware issues.

    • I know internal tests have indicated a week of battery life is possible when the Freerunner is suspended.
    • I'm pretty sure you're using a Nokia compatible headset instead of the Motorola compatible one that the FR plug actually matches.
    • See previous - you do only get one audio channel on a Nokia compatible headset if you use it in a Motorola compatible plug. They *did* remove one external speaker in the switch from the developer's Neo to the Freerunner, but the headset is stereo.
    • See previous.
    • The software support for bluetooth headsets is not there yet, but it is well known that the software is nowhere near complete.
    • The neo supports *full* bluetooth. The software platform you're running may not have bt keyboard support, but I know e.g. the GTK software stack supports it.
    • There are known graphics issues, which will probably only allow video playback of mpeg4 format in 320x200 at reasonable (20+) framerates. I haven't heard of general issues with normal GUI use.
    • That GPS fix time was an issue early on, and still isn't as good as it could be, but I thought the production Freerunners had < 1 minute TTFF if you're stationary & outdoors...
    • I chat with Mickey Laurer and Raster (and other OpenMoko developers) fairly often on freenode #openmoko, and I have yet to hear anyone issue anything other than the normal low-grade grousing that you'll hear about anyone.
    • The ASU is currently a piece of crap, and is mostly reinventing the wheel from the mostly working GTK release. Don't use it; use Qtopia for now.

    The software is absolutely not ready for production, and no one is saying it is. I do think the new architecture at freesmartphone.org is going in the right direction, and it sounds as if it already supports stable calling.

  14. Re:Hmmm by Znork · · Score: 3, Informative

    Didn't the Iphone get absolutely slammed for the lack of it

    Sure, but the IPhone is a highly hyped product, so it has to be appropriately buzzword compliant. Any poor IPhone user would get the lack pointed out to them; instant put-down for the device-chic.

    The OpenMoko is a different field entirely. For most prospective users there simply is no feature that carries a higher importance than freedom, nor are there many alternatives with that essential feature. I have no interest in the iPhone with or without 3g; it's even more locked than many other phones.

    And no, for the more pragmatic crowd, 3g isnt something you really have to have on your phone (especially not if you have wifi). 3g is more useful as a modem for a small computer like the eee; it's nice to have when you have the UI to fully utilize more bandwidth intensive applications.

    Also, can I ssh into my computer and restart my webserver,

    The more interesting question is, can you ssh into your phone and restart the webserver you're running there?

  15. Re:Neo 1973 by BlackCreek · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is still in coming soon status at http://openmoko.com/

  16. Why compare it to an iPhone? by umStefa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Everybody see's it as an iPhone clone because it has a touch screen, accelerometers, etc.

    The reality is this phone is aimed at a completely different market than the iPhone. This phone is aimed at those who value open source software / hardware, whereas the iPhone is aimed at the 'Cool' sector.

    I am going to be getting one later in the year when my current 3-year contract runs out. I am tired of locked phones with disabled features for the benefit of the phone company. To me the ability to control my own phone is more important than having a few extra bells and whistles like the iphone.

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  17. Re:Some Experience by raster · · Score: 5, Informative

    "developer community alienated by Lauer & Co. GNOME knew why they kicked Rasterman out."

    WTF? One thing to say here. No one kicked me out of GNOME - get your history right. Do your research. You demonstrate some serious ignorance here. I chose to not contribute anymore due to GNOME going one way, and me going another. I had plans for E and they had plans for GNOME as of course "GNOME needs no window manager. it can work with all of them!". Check your history mate.

    Thanks for registering your account now for some trolling fun.

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