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Sen. Ted "Tubes" Stevens Is Indicted

Many readers are letting us know about the indictment of Sen. Ted Stevens on seven counts of making false statements on his financial disclosure forms. We discussed the raid on the senator's house a while back. Everyone's favorite technologically challenged senator is the longest-serving Republican in the history of the upper house. An Alaskan paper gives deep background on the probe that has ensnared Stevens and a number of other Alaska political figures.

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  1. tee-hee by jollyreaper · · Score: 5, Funny

    There's a joke here about federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison and clogged tubes but I'm just going to savor the indictment instead.

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    1. Re:tee-hee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People like Ted Stevens don't go to pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

      Some pigs are more equal than others.

    2. Re:tee-hee by mattpm · · Score: 5, Funny

      Unsolicited male in his tubes?

    3. Re:tee-hee by sm62704 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Federal prison is mainly big-time drug users and drug dealers.

      State prison is mainly small-time drug users and drug dealers.

      A friend's brother down in the St Louis area went to federal prison for loaning a cocaine dealer a thousand dollars; the charge was conspiracy to deliver cocaine (the dealer had been busted and was setting up innocent guys to lessen his own sentence; most of his high school graduating class went to Maximum Security Club Fed for twice as long as he did).

      Violent criminals usually don't get caught. When they do, it depends on who they attacked.

      A woman I know went to Dwight Correctional (Illinois hardcore women'sprison) for 4 months for nonviolent drug posession, while a guy I know and intensly dislike broke into a man's home and tried to kill him with a butcher knife. He spent two weeks in the county jail - but the man he attacked was a poor black man.

      That is American justice.

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    4. Re:tee-hee by infonography · · Score: 5, Funny

      the senator will be learning a new line;

      You've got Male!

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    5. Re:tee-hee by AmaDaden · · Score: 5, Funny

      His first name is "The" and his last name is "People".

    6. Re:tee-hee by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Gates? Branson?

      Politicians are powerful, but nowhere near that wealthy. The CEO of even a modestly sized company earns more than a US Senator.

      The likelihood is that Tubes was simply far too blatant with his shady deals. So blatant that even the masses began to notice. Once that happened, he became a liability to the people that were once willing to use him and he had to be gotten rid of.

      The smart politician is corrupt, but always discrete about it.

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    7. Re:tee-hee by Wiseblood1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, it was the Spanish Inquisition. Poor Ted never even saw it coming.

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    8. Re:tee-hee by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Funny

      His first name is "The" and his last name is "People".

      Aww, aren't you cute. You actually believe that, don't you. That's just precious.

    9. Re:tee-hee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because you've bought into the whole "cheap cynicism is cool" BS, doesn't mean you have to be so condescending to those of us who still recognize that sometimes the right people do the right things for the right reasons.

      Maybe not often, but it happens.

  2. Down the tubes.. by The+Dancing+Panda · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's not just a truck you can dump things on....

    It's a house, that you can add things to...apparently for free.

  3. Re:So what I want to know by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "How did he stay in office so long if there was already evidence of corruption in 2003 and 2004?"

    The same way Dan Rostenkowski did and Marion Barry and Murtha after Abscam:

    "He may be a son-of-a-bitch, but he's OUR son-of-a-bitch"

    Also keep in mind that he has brought home a lot of bacon to the residents of Alaska, and they probably view such minor corruption as a cross they just have to bear to get the goodies. Remember, the "bridge to nowhere" ALMOST got approved.

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  4. Tubes dance mix by theCat · · Score: 5, Funny
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  5. The indictment (pdf) by jamie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    text of the indictment is now available.

    It was a part of the scheme that STEVENS, while during that same time period that he was concealing his continuing receipt of things of value from ALLEN and VECO from 1999 to 2006, received and accepted solicitations for multiple official actions from ALLEN and other VECO employees, and knowing that STEVENS could and did use his official position and his office on behalf of VECO during that same time period.

    That sounds like good old-fashioned bribery to me, but with our screwed-up laws it's probably a lot easier to convict a politician for lying about the bribes than for taking the bribes.

  6. As a lifelong Alaskan... by 7Prime · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let me be the first to shout:

    "Yeee-hawww!!!"

    Good riddence! The coming Alaska senate race is going to be one of the most interesting in history. I suggest everyone look into it. On the democratic front, we've got popular Anchorage city mayor, Mark Beigich, who's taken the election scene by storm in just the last month or so. And Stevens, being a long time incombant, is running virtually unopposed on the republican front.

    In the house, rep. Don ("I'll beat you over the head with a walrus penis") Young is having even more trouble, due to falling public perception and the VICO scandal. This long-time incumbent may be KOed in the primary by our Lt. Governor.

    The republicans only star runners, at this point, are Gov. Sarah Palin and Lt Gov. Sean Parnel. Parnel is running against Young in the house, and Sarah just had a child and is busy fighting some of her own battles.

    Translation: the alaska republican party is FUCKED. Before the year is out, there's a very good chance we'll see our one house seat filled by a Dem, one of our Senate seats filled by a Dem, and the state's electoral votes go to Barak Obama (currently a very close race). AK is one of the most conservative and republican states in the country, btw.

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  7. Re:So what I want to know by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How did he stay in office so long if there was already evidence of corruption in 2003 and 2004?

    The same way that William Jefferson of New Orleans did (and still is).

    (Who, BTW, in response to the AC that also responded to your post, is NOT white)

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  8. Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone hates congress...until election time when 95% of them get reelected.

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  9. Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... by moderatorrater · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Term limits would solve that problem both by definition and by addressing a core problem - length of time served equals power in both houses. Then there's the problem that races tend to involve two absolutely shitty choices. Even with some pretty blatant gerrymandering, Utah republicans can't oust democrat Jim Matheson from congress because they keep nominating idiots to run against him.

    The consequence of this system is that corruption never gets rooted out and a bunch of old men are deciding the future of a country that's changing very rapidly. I'll vote against incumbents when they give me a good alternative, and that doesn't happen too often.

  10. Re:Series of Tubes by Random+Destruction · · Score: 5, Informative
    While the series of tubes analogy works, its the speech that surrounds that quote that is hilarious. for example:

    I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the internet commercially.

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  11. Re:Well, there goes another political career... by squidguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Will be interesting to see, as the ultimate act of hypocrisy, if the next President pardons him ala Clinton's forgiveness of bigtime Chicago Machine Dem Dan Rostenkowski, who now collects his congressional pension despite similar acts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Rostenkowski). Sen Stevens likely won't be convicted in time for President Bush to possibly react.

  12. Re:For Old Time's Sake by 77Punker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I'm too old to understand what the fuck I'm talking about, I'll resign from congress and not try to legislate it.

    If he's too old to get it, it's time to get out. I wouldn't be angry about some other old man not understanding new technology, but he has power over it. That's dangerous.

  13. Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That pattern can be explained in a single word: gerrymandering.

    Actually there is a bit more to it than that. Your own Congressman is probably pretty good at delivering "economic development" to his district. The other 434 assholes are just wasting our tax dollars on "pork".

    Ever wonder why Congress as a whole gets shitty approval ratings yet people usually have good things to say about their own Rep?

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  14. Re:Series of Tubes by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Informative

    If he simply said "the Internet is like a series of tubes and if too much stuff is going through it, it will slow down", then he might have been right, generally speaking.

    However, his speaking style was garbled and it frequently looked like he was trying to make a point, didn't know what it was, and was confused about technical details that shouldn't confuse someone basically in charge of setting Internet policies for the USA. Here are a few gems (thanks to the previous poster who posted this text):

    "There's one company now you can sign up and you can get a movie delivered to your house daily by delivery service. Okay. And currently it comes to your house, it gets put in the mail box when you get home and you change your order but you pay for that, right.

    But this service isn't going to go through the internet and what you do is you just go to a place on the internet and you order your movie and guess what you can order ten of them delivered to you and the delivery charge is free.

    Ok, talking about Netflix here. So far, so good. You order movies online and they arrive at your door.

    Ten of them streaming across that internet and what happens to your own personal internet?

    Now he, all of a sudden, leaps from movies delivered to your door to movies streamed online. He seems to think that: 1) you would order ten movies at once, 2) you would stream those ten movies at the same time, and 3) you would be surprised when your connection speeds dropped into the basement.

    I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why?

    Obvious misuse of terminology. I might be nitpicking if the person in question was an 80 year old grandmother who just got online, but this guy was in charge of setting Internet policies in the US. Can't he call it an "e-mail" and not an "Internet." (Unless his staff really was sending him an interconnected network of computers. I'd like to see the shipping charges on that!)

    Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the internet commercially.

    Or because the mail server was slow. These things happen and they're almost never due to commercial internet traffic slowing things down.

    They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the internet. And again, the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck.

    It's a series of tubes.

    And if you don't understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and its going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.

    He seems to be of the mind that sites like YouTube just dump their content onto the Internet and it somehow clogs up the works for everyone. The reality is that YouTube, and sites like it, take up 0 content all by themselves. When you request a video from YouTube, the server responds by sending you the video and just that video, not YouTube's entire collection. If a lot of people on your network are viewing a large number of YouTube videos, then, yes, YouTube traffic will account for a fair amount of the total traffic going over the network. However, this traffic is initiated by the user, not the site.

    Now we have a separate Department of Defense internet now, did you know that?

    Do you know why?

    Because they have to have theirs delivered immediately. They can't afford getting delayed by other people.

    Or, more likely, because the DOD isn't dumb and doesn't want to deliver sensitive and classified information over a public network.

    Now I think these people are arguing whether they should be able to dump all that stuff on the internet ought to consider if they should develo

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  15. Re:Series of Tubes by MarkGriz · · Score: 5, Funny

    He's an 80+ year old Senator

    Age is not an automatic criteria for cluelessness

    You ignored the part about him being a Senator

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  16. Re:An alaskan perspective... by Dekortage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love that all the conservatives think I'm a liberal, and all the liberals think I'm conservative.

    Anyway, you wrote: "Our state certainly needs to rid itself of corruption. If Stevens is convicted it will be a sad day. What he is charged with is so petty compared to the greater good he has done that will be a crying shame. And entirely his fault. He should of course take the blame for his actions. But that doesn't change the fact that it will hurt the state MORE if he is convicted... the damage comes from the hurt this does to the Republican party in Alaska."

    I read you as follows:

    1. "Stevens might be convicted." I'm assuming you mean "convicted" in the traditional sense, as in "because he was guilty."
    2. "What he is charged with is so petty compared to the greater good." Following the above, it sounds like you're saying that if he is convicted, you are willing to overlook his lawbreaking (lying, accepting bribes, whatever it may be) because he has done great things, like bringing in lots of money and making all kinds of improvements.
    3. "He should take the blame for his actions." So if he is guilty, you think he needs to face up to it.
    4. "...it will hurt the state MORE if he is convicted..." So if he is guilty, it does not matter, because it's more important to keep him in office than apply laws to him. Otherwise it will hurt the Republican party badly.

    Do I have that right?

    If so, you are saying, in essence, that as long as he keeps the money [benefits, improvements, etc.] flowing, you are willing to overlook [forgive, sideline, ignore, etc.] lies and deception for the greater good of the Republican party [you]. Right?

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  17. Re:Nobody by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

    McCain and Stevens have been opposing each other on key issues...

    Ah yes, the Geritol "Tastes great/Less Filling" debate.