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California Can't Perform Pay Cut Because of COBOL

beezzie writes "Last week, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger ordered a pay cut, to minimum wage of $6.55/hr, for 200,000 state workers — because a state budget hadn't been approved yet. The state controller, who has opposed the pay cut on principle and legal grounds, now says the pay cut isn't even feasible because the state's payroll systems are so antiquated. He says it would take six months to go to minimum wage, and nine months more to restore salaries once a budget is passed. The system is based on COBOL, according to the Sacramento Bee, and the state hasn't yet found the funds or resources, in ten years of trying, to upgrade it." The article quotes a consultant on how hard it is to find COBOL programmers; he says you usually have to draw them out of retirement. Problem is, if there were any such folks on the employment rolls in California, Gov. Schwarzenegger fired them all last week, too.

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  1. i knew it by halfEvilTech · · Score: 5, Funny

    This brings back memories of when we picketed our COBOL professor christmas party with signs of:

    "COBOL raises taxes"

    we couldn't have been more right

    1. Re:i knew it by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Funny

      PWN3D YR PAYROLL.

      I wonder if the guy who maintains the COBOL is sitting in an SF jail right now - he'll only tell the Mayor what the name of the right functions are..

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      Never been known to fail..."
    2. Re:i knew it by empaler · · Score: 4, Funny

      *fwoosh*

    3. Re:i knew it by neuromancer23 · · Score: 5, Funny

      They need to update to more advanced frameworks. Like COBOL on Cogs.

    4. Re:i knew it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thanks for linking to the Wikipedia article on Jurassic Park, I've never heard of that movie before. Or it's sequel. Or it's sequel's sequel. Or the books. Or the multiple theme park rides.

    5. Re:i knew it by Intron · · Score: 5, Funny

      In COBOL that's:

      USE JOKE MISSING OVERHEAD SOUND(FWOOSH).

      except that slashdot's too many caps lameness filter is also written in COBOL.

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    6. Re:i knew it by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Funny

      What about the cereal?

    7. Re:i knew it by Dogtanian · · Score: 5, Funny

      What about the cereal?

      Going by an eBay auction of an old box of the stuff, the cereal pieces look dinosaur shaped.

      Personally, I'd make them human shaped so the kids could play at being dinosaurs and eat all the humans. You know that's what they'd really want :)

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    8. Re:i knew it by mfnickster · · Score: 4, Funny

      > They need to update to more advanced frameworks. Like COBOL on Cogs.

      How about Mono on Monorails?

      Haskell on Handrails?

      BASIC on Beams?

      Python on Pillars?

      C++ on Conveyors?

      GRASS on Girders?

      Scheme on Scaffolding?

      Lisp on Lintels?

      REBOL on Rebar?

      Assembly on ...er...

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    9. Re:i knew it by KDR_11k · · Score: 5, Funny

      Python on a Plane

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      Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
  2. Great programming job! by mveloso · · Score: 5, Funny

    The programmers of California have created the greatest payroll application of all time. You can only raise salaries, not lower them. Ingenious!

  3. Read in an Arnold voice: by Missing_dc · · Score: 5, Funny

    I need a COBOL programmer, who is your daddy and what does he do?

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    1. Re:Read in an Arnold voice: by 4D6963 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your COBOL programmers. Give them to me. NOW!

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      You just got troll'd!
  4. Take ours by otacon · · Score: 4, Funny

    We have about 20 Cobol programmers. We still run CISC and what have you. You can have them. Cheap.

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  5. Wrong! by gfxguy · · Score: 5, Funny

    They created the worst payroll application of all time... it takes 50% longer to raise them back!

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    Stupid sexy Flanders.
  6. Time-consuming? by the_duke_of_hazzard · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Forrer said the system has tens of thousands of lines of code, so it is time-consuming to find and replace salaries for each job classification on an individual basis." Ummm...... they should have a look at the 30million line codebase I support. I'd love to give _that_ excuse.

  7. Re:Programmers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I work with a COBOL system

    How soon can you get on a plane to California?

  8. Re:Not as lame as people are thinking... by Etcetera · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't forget, the good governator is probably payed by that system too and you know HIS pay ain't going down.

    The Governator is getting paid an annual salary of $1 a year. If his pay went down any further you'd probably end up with a divide by zero error somewhere.

  9. Re:Programmers? by Lord_Frederick · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hell, where I work now we're having problems because a particular CBT REQUIRES a floppy disk. Nobody can get the money to have the CBT code changed. The new computers don't come with floppy drives and the old computers are required to be taken out of service. Emulation software can't be used because it won't pass the "approval process" and putting a floppy drive into a new system voids the maintenance agreement.

  10. Re:COBOL. by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

    No, the problem is that someone put a T-800 series Terminator in charge of California!

    All the state's COBOL programmers have to work around the clock just to keep that early-80's piece of shit working.

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  11. Re:COBOL. by UltraAyla · · Score: 5, Funny

    not some dip shit who read Databases And Java For Dummies and thinks he actually knows something.

    It was the Complete Idiot's Guide, thank you very much.

  12. Re:COBOL. by JoshDM · · Score: 5, Funny

    You made that post that from work, didn't you?

  13. Obligtory COBOL joke by floki · · Score: 5, Funny

    A COBOL-savvy man suffers from a deadly disease and decides to go for cryonics, hoping they will find a cure in the future. A hundred years from now they wake him up. He's relieved and asks: "Thank god, you've found a cure." - "No", they tell him, "we're short of COBOL programmers."

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    from the to-stupid-for-words dept.
  14. Re:COBOL. by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    More accurately, to program in cobol, you wouldn't have to pay me a salary, you'd have to pay compensation for mental pain and anguish.

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  15. Re:COBOL. by sexconker · · Score: 4, Funny

    If I was in charge of programming the new pay system, I wouldn't be too worried about me making minimum wage...

  16. Re:COBOL. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    So... Listen.

    I have a job for you in California I need to take care of. Come with me if you want to live.

  17. Wanted: Computer Consultants: $6.55/Hour by qazwart · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wonder why they can't find any Cobol programmer? There are probably Cobol programmers on the state payroll maintaining this system, but do you want to modify a computer program, so your employer can cut your pay by 75%? Didn't think so.

    Manager: I need you to modify our payroll system in order to cut your pay to a mere $6.55/hour. How quickly can you get that done?

    Developer: I'll get right on it boss. Let's see, I'll have to modify the payroll routines, reconfigure the database, change out the bit buckets, and scronge the verbliz... That will take me... Er, how long do you think it will be before the state passes a budget?

    Manger: Probably in about 5 months.

    Developer: It'll take me about 6 months.