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Photoshop Allows Us To Alter Our Memories

Anti-Globalism writes "In an age of digital manipulation, many people believe that snapshots and family photos need no longer stand as a definitive record of what was, but instead, of what they wish it was. It used to be that photographs provided documentary evidence, and there was something sacrosanct about that, said Chris Johnson, a photography professor at California College of the Arts in the Bay Area. If you wanted to remove an ex from an old snapshot, you had to use a Bic pen or pinking shears. But in the digital age, people treat photos like mash-ups in music, combining various elements to form a more pleasing whole. What were doing, Mr. Johnson said, is fulfilling the wish that all of us have to make reality to our liking. And he is no exception. When he photographed a wedding for his girlfriends family in upstate New York a few years ago, he left a space at the end of a big group shot for one member who was unable to attend. They caught up with him months later, snapped a head shot, and Mr. Johnson used Photoshop to paste him into the wedding photo. Now, he said, everyone knows it is phony, but this faked photograph actually created the assumption people kind of remember him as there."

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  1. meh... by Carlos+Matesanz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the point? PS (or the gimp for that matter) only allows more people to alter photographs, anything you do with software can be done, and has been done many times, in a dark room.
    I've had enough of theese "film-was-way-better" guys already.

    1. Re:meh... by fictionpuss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sure - but it is precisely the difference between it being a highly skilled task, and it being something anyone with a little experience using a graphics package can do, which is significant.

      In the same light, you could hail email as being over-hyped since you could perform the same function with regular mail.

      Making something a little bit easier can make it a lot more likely to adopted widely, and thus have interesting consequences.

    2. Re:meh... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, myself and an uncle were both added to a family photo taken around fifteen years ago, using those poor ol' analog techniques. I haven't asked any family members if they actually remember me being there, not that I think it matters either way. I highly doubt only digital manipulation is capable of also altering our memories. Our memories have always been a combination of what is remembered and what we're currently experiencing. If there's any difference, it would be that my family would remember not being able to get the family photo until my uncle and I were in town and able to go to the photographer's, then the added development time.

      I think the biggest difference photoshop et. al. make is that they are vastly more accessible than the darkroom. You can do it at home, you don't have to be an expert to do a passable job. Thanks to Photoshop, Moe Szyslak wouldn't have to resort to pasting crude cut-outs of his head onto Homer and Marge's wedding album.

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    3. Re:meh... by Carlos+Matesanz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I didn't mean PS is over-hyped. I love the mere existence of digital photography because that precise reason: it has helped a lot of people approach themselves to photography at levels where you couldn't be twenty years ago not being a pro.
      What i mean is that suddenly many old-time photographers point out to retouching as being the evil which will destroy "the essence of photography" when those techniques had been applied for ages.

    4. Re:meh... by slim · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I keep diaries of my holidays. I'm certain that without the diaries, there's stuff I'd forget that I wanted to remember. I know this because if I write the diary a day late, I already struggle to remember details and have to ask people ("Where was it we had lunch yesterday?").

      So what would happen if I put a minor untruth in there - a distortion perhaps? Maybe I wouldn't read it until 10 years later, when I'll forget that I lied, combine my lie with my hazy real memories, and end up remembering the lie as truth.

    5. Re:meh... by poena.dare · · Score: 5, Funny

      "I highly doubt only digital manipulation is capable of also altering our memories."

      As I will be able to recall many years hence, MemoryShop 2.1 CS Xtreme will have been doing this for a long time now... or so my wife, Morgan Fairchild, assures me.

    6. Re:meh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      with conventional retouching techniques, if one kne what to look for, one could tell the image was retouched. As one who spent the better portion of 15 years digitally retouching photos, I can honestly say that there was a time when that was true for digital retouching, but no longer. I have seen images that I know were retouched, I sat in the same room as the person doing the retouching, but if I had not known what was being altered, even I, someone who digitally altered photos myself for a living, would never have been able to tell that the image had been altered. That level of alteration is not common, and its a lot harder than you might think, and no, your average Joe with GIMP is not going to pass off an altered photo to a pro, but with digital manipulation, it is possible for one pro to pass of an image to another pro in the field, and that was not possible with conventional retouching techniques.

    7. Re:meh... by fictionpuss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ah - you mean the "What I'm comfortable with, should be the boundary of human progress" thought process?

    8. Re:meh... by Applekid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What i mean is that suddenly many old-time photographers point out to retouching as being the evil which will destroy "the essence of photography" when those techniques had been applied for ages.

      Retouching IS an evil which destroys the essence of photography. It's about capturing reality, not presenting an ideal.

      Thing is, most people don't care about the essence of photography. They just want to remember events in their lives. I think we're both in agreement that there is nothing wrong with this outlook. It's perfectly OK.

      It's the same with anything that is artistic expression. The average person doesn't really care the type of paints or style, reproduction or original.... they just want a painting that looks nice on their wall. They don't care about vox-boxes and pitch correction and voice-doubling, they just want music to which they can work out or drive to work.

      Let the purists have their purity, and let the pragmatists have their pragmatism. The nice part about technology is that both can coexist peacefully, ignoring a the artistic equivalent of "get off my lawn."

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    9. Re:meh... by Antibozo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Retouching IS an evil which destroys the essence of photography. It's about capturing reality, not presenting an ideal.

      "Reality" isn't necessarily what is directly recorded by a camera.

      Retouching is only part of the issue. I spent years adjusting color in photographs of fine arts by increments as small as .005 stop, because film doesn't record most colors accurately. One must make decisions about what colors in a painting are important, and balance that with the overall impression in the photograph. Gold may be sacrificed for green, etc. This is necessary to make the image appear as "real" as possible, but much of that is subjective, and a lot of decisions have to be made in consultation with the artist.

      I also spent a lot of time retouching prints to put back edges that disappeared from overexposure, fill in white spots left by grain or dust, etc. Again, this was necessary to restore "reality" to the image.

      There are plenty of other techniques I used in traditional printing that distort the process in order to represent "reality" better—tilting the easel, altering contrast, burning/dodging with cardboard cutouts and colored filters, rubbing the print in the developer solution, et al.

      A photograph is a flat, bandlimited model of something. It only represents a tiny fraction of the information that is there, and which fraction is the purview of the photographer. There is no simple, objective process that makes "real" photographs because reality is subjective. The reality in a photograph always depends on the photographer's intent, and no technique is "evil" if it serves that intent.

    10. Re:meh... by fictionpuss · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The most basic economic truth, sad to say, of the last 100 years, seems to be that Convenience Trumps All.

      You're quoting something more pervasive - the path of least resistance, emergence and evolution.

      their favorite medium, replaced by something of inferior quality but greater convenience

      "As so it once was, as much as it can never be again" - our challenge is to not weep over technology which can and will not survive in our current and future environment, but to find new ways to use new technology to perform those functions better. If we - the old - refuse, the next generation will happily take up that challenge.

      Convenience Wins. Of course some might mention this in terms of Linux/Windows but I won't go into that..

      I think it's apt - isn't this what the whole "Linux Desktop" conversation is about? When it becomes more convenient to use Linux, than Windows, then the latter will become obsolete.

    11. Re:meh... by ewrong · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Indeed. Reading your post I was reminded of a conversation I had with a photographer many years ago based around the old saying, "the camera never lies". His responce was that the camera is the biggest darn lier you'll ever meet.

      I guess modern Photoshop techniques which largely reflect age old darkroom techniques, are just adding a little embelishment to the story.

    12. Re:meh... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Gimp? Naaah, Gimp does not allow anyone (other than the developers) to alter photographs. Or do anything useful.
      It allows you to explode your head by trying to use it, sure. And if you survive, you still have to force it to let you alter photographs.
      But that's about it. :D

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    13. Re:meh... by ravenshrike · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The newspapers are collapsing as much from their own moral ineptitude as anything else. Before the widespread adoption of the internet, there was no real way to get major news other than through newspapers or off the tube. The percolation of information through the internet takes the filters off that are present in the aforementioned mediums. Why would people read a newspaper when it can easily be demonstrated that they are attempting to push their own agenda upon their readers instead of to convey the news as pertains to reality.

  2. Unperson by lobiusmoop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Didn't George Orwell warn us about trying to change our history? I'll keep my photographs as they are, thanks.

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    1. Re:Unperson by eldavojohn · · Score: 3, Funny

      Didn't George Orwell warn us about trying to change our history? I'll keep my photographs as they are, thanks.

      World War III? Well, we know very little about it as records from that era are hazy and photoshopped.

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    2. Re:Unperson by WinPimp2K · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sure, you will keep your photgraphs as they are, but what happens when you see other photographs - perhaps even altered video later that might clearly show something that did not really happen. On of the points was that even the people who "were there" adapt their own memories to match the photograpic "evidence".

      Sure you know that Spielberg digitally altered the guns in "E.T." to big honking walkie talkies.
      Sure you know that "Han shot first".
      You might even remember when Oprah had Ann-Margaret's body.

      But those were all pretty high profile examples. Do you really remember if cousin Lynette was at cousin Bill's wedding twelve years ago? There she is in the group shot - and again at the reception. Or to borrow from George O. - make up your own much more sinister example. Perhaps someone who consistently shows up in media footage of fires for example.

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  3. Dangerous precedent by pzs · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is from the same school of "reality" as those cosmetics commercials where the model has had 6 hours of makeup and artificial eyelashes in order to look like that.

    The more we force life to look perfect, the more we'll be disappointed by what we actually get. There is a great Charlie Brooker skit on aspirational television and how believing that we should be as beautiful and stylish as the cast of Friends and Sex and the City is actually making everybody miserable.

    I would also say that the bumps of imperfection are an important part of our humanity. Examples:

    - Over produced music sounds rubbish because if we can't hear the strumming it doesn't sound like a human being was playing it.

    - If you cook Chilli from a recipe it may come out "perfect every time" but it will also get pretty dull.

    - A sunny day is a much greater joy in Scotland, where it's a rarity.

    Bah, humbug.

    1. Re:Dangerous precedent by vertinox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, the religion of Buddhism is based around the idea that reality is simply a delusion on the grandest scale and once you come to understand that you'll be at peace.

      On the same subject, our economy is really based on illusion/delusions at the core of it. Money itself is inteself of non-intrisnic value. Well, to be fair... Even gold isn't really useful at the basic levels by itself. (Warren Buffet once joked why do value something that just gets dug up from a hole only to be buried in another somewhere in a bank.)

      It is simply only valuable because everyone agrees it to be so. If no one agreed that your money or gold was valuable then you just have unusable matter sitting there.

      In the same aspect, all our social interactions and business dealings are based around perception. TV commercials are the best example of why this works the way it does. If you can make people believe in something, to them it is true.

      If you have control of this perception then you can make people do as you please... Which I think 1984 was trying to point out to us. Its not about just rewriting history but the perception of people on reality.

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    2. Re:Dangerous precedent by vertinox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree on the money but not the gold. Due to it's unique properties (malleability, ductility, conductivity, etc) gold has utility value, in other words you can use it for things (it's also shiny and pretty). Additionally, it's relatively rare, which increases it's value.

      Well this might be off topic, but I agree with Warren Buffet personal views. For industrial and manufacturing uses, silver is a better commodity.

      Secondly, gold itself doesn't do anything useful. It doesn't earn you interest and it doesn't exactly beat inflation like the stock market. If you look at inflation, gold was worth way more in 1980 than it was now. (a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Gold_price.png">source)

      And if there was a societal collapse like some gold bugs claim, I would think guns, water, and canned food would be more valuable than gold.

      Well... If you had guns you could simply just take the gold from the people who didn't have guns after all.

      Again, this all about perception and keeping up illusions. If you can make someone believe what you own is valuable, you can make them put forth effort in order to get what you have into their possession.

      If you make someone have a false memory of wanting or liking something you can really make them do as you please.

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      -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
  4. huh??? by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean I WASN'T Scarlett Johansson's date to last year's Oscars??? Despite the picture I have of it??

  5. Flamewar! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2, Funny

    OK, let's try and get organized:

    Photoshop vs. GIMP here --->

    EMACS vs. Vi there ---->

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    1. Re:Flamewar! by Jellybob · · Score: 4, Funny

      Holy crap... you want me to try and do image editing with EMACS?

      Clearly Vi would do a much better job of it ;)

    2. Re:Flamewar! by Tejin · · Score: 5, Funny
      So you are proposing a flame war between the emacs/vi people and the PS/GiMP people?

      "Our longstanding animosity is longer-standing than your longstanding animosity!"

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  6. There is real psychological truth to this by TheLazySci-FiAuthor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    http://abcnews.go.com/technology/story?id=98195&page=1

    I love to cite this study whenever a decision is being made on the 'memory' of, say, a result - rather than an actual record.

    There is another study, which I can't promply locate, in which subjects were shown several colors and then a day or two later, when asked to recall which colors they saw, they picked colors brighter and more saturated than those they had been shown.

    This, to me, shows why the 'golden age' phenomenon is so prevalent.

    1. Re:There is real psychological truth to this by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Funny

      This, to me, shows why the 'golden age' phenomenon is so prevalent.

      I don't care what you say. Music was objectively better in the 70's... even taking disco into account.

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    2. Re:There is real psychological truth to this by TheLazySci-FiAuthor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      hmm -that is a pretty good argument actually.

      After all, I find grape juice to be genuinely better after a couple years of sitting around, maybe some similar method of action is taking place here ;)

      Then again, there is the Rick Astley counter-argument to take into account, let us not forget.

  7. We only record what we want to remember by Dekortage · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's unlikely that you take photographs of every mundane aspect of your life. Some people do it, sure, but those aren't the pictures they want to put into photo albums, flash on their iPods, or hang on their walls. Selective history already plays a role in how we take and keep pictures, so this is just a natural progression of that: keep that photograph, but make it happier.

    The Soviet Communists were experts at this. But in Soviet Russia, photos erase you!

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  8. It's all big massive circle. by kabocox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know all those ancient statues and such and sculptures made or those paintings by artists? Do you honestly think that everyone generally looked as good as the painting/statues? We've always done this. If anything because, I as the king/rich person would lop off some artist/sculpture's head if they didn't make me look good.

    Move forward a few centuries and you've got household publishing with the internet/office apps. I wouldn't lop off the wife's or the kids' heads if they didn't make me look good in the family website or photo album, but we'd all pick the shots and photoshop what we can get away with to look our best. (The wife and kids have been taught what we think is decent taste in picking out photos and better pictures from a set so they should know better than posting poor pics.)

    It's sort of like the concept of dressing up for photos. No one ever actually wears that sort of crap. It's only used to make you look as what the current culture set thinks presentable for art/photos/pictures is and that's it. (It's all rented or thrown away after that single use because you'd never wear it again.)

    1. Re:It's all big massive circle. by kabocox · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Umm... You seem to live a very different life to me. Never in my life have I even considered dressing up specifically for a photo in clothes that I will wear once and then throw away, or even just clothes I wouldn't normally wear.

      Admittedly, I am a bit of a trollface, and I always look awful in photos, so maybe there is something to this whole 'shallowness' angle you're pushing.

      I was thinking of crap my mom made us dress up in growing up mostly. But haven't you been in a wedding party, funeral, high school/college graduation, or heck baby shower? O.k. baby showers don't require new clothes, but the clothes that the baby gets are of the let's dress 'em up cute and take pics variety. Didn't you have a year book where you had 2-3 pictures? Didn't you have "picture day"? O.k. Picture Day you'd wear what you'd normally wear, but in high school we had glamor shots. Trust me there were lots of one time or limited time outfits there. How about prom?

      I've only had to wear a suit for a job interviews and getting married in. (Which was a different fancier rental suit.) Did your wife buy, borrow, or rent her wedding dress or how about bridesmaids dresses?

      How about Halloween or Christmas? I bet you've bot something or see people go out to buy something just to where for that holiday. Now a days, there are several one day use reasons for clothing. O.k. if you wanna be cheap or don't do that holiday/event than you can skip out on the expense.

      If it's your event though, you'll be expected to dress the part though rather or not you really want to. If you doubt me, try to get married in what you'd wear to work every day. You'd be vetoed by your future wife, your mother, your future mother-in-law, and then various guests that are in on the planning.

      Now no one says that you have to dress up for something, but if you throw some event/party then some forms of dressing up may be required and expected of the hosts and the guests. No one says that your guests have to attend your event, but some things they'll have to go to if they are really socially tied to you or you happen to be their boss.

  9. Speaking of fake by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Funny
    this faked photograph actually created the assumption people kind of remember him as there."
    .

    That sentence kind of creates the assumption of making sense.

  10. Digital vs. analoge photo's by JustKidding · · Score: 3, Insightful

    in a way, digital photography has taken things away from us.

    Photo's used to be precious, they carried a real cost (film, development and printing), and because of that, you used to think about what was worth taking a picture of. Today, a cheap memory card will hold hundreds of photo's, and digital cameras are cheaper than decent quality analog camera's have ever been. It's nearly impossible to find a new cellphone without a (crappy) digital camera in it.

    Because a digital photo carries practically no cost, people tend to be less thoughtful about what they take pictures of.

    Already, I've found myself frustrated and drowning in thousands of mediocre pictures.

    These pictures reside everywhere and nowhere; some are uploaded to various websites, others are emailed, yet others exist only on a hard drive and maybe a backup somewhere. The ease and low cost of copying should mean that shouldn't ever get lost, but in reality, they do get lost, hard drives crash, optical disks go bad, or they are just forgotten in a swamp of old files never to be found again.

    There is something about a box full of old, fading photographs that digital photo's just can't offer.

    And that's just assuming the photo's haven't been altered. With analog photo's, you could be reasonably sure they weren't faked, because it was fairly difficult and time consuming to fake an analog picture. With the digital ones, it gets easier all the time. What's the point of having a photo of something that didn't happen? You might as well watch a movie, that's not real either.

    Ofcourse, I understand why a professional photographer would want to change a picture, for artistic reasons, or to remove something ugly from a picture, like a piece of trash in the background of your best wedding photo.

    1. Re:Digital vs. analoge photo's by dave420 · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a shame apostrophes don't cost money.

    2. Re:Digital vs. analoge photo's by Jerf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Technology always "takes stuff away", but the entire reason we pursue it is that it gives more stuff back.

      Yes, I am "deprived" from my connection with Mother Earth because I am not a subsistence farmer, but I am happy that I don't have to spend a lot of time hungry or worrying about food, and it's my responsibility to plow the resulting freed time into something useful.

      Yes, I am socially deprived because I am no longer economically forced to live with my extended family, but in turn, I get to form social links of my own choosing. It's my own damn fault if I don't take advantage of the superior options that opens up.

      Yes, making photos easy cheapens each given photo, but it also makes it easier to experiment without blowing a wad. I didn't even bother with an analog camera because I wasn't willing to put the time in to learn, let alone spend the money, but with my digital camera I've learned a lot because I can take twenty pictures of the same thing with near-immediate feedback, and virtually no cost. If you don't end up with a superior photo collection in the end, that's your fault, not the technologies; all the tech did was make it cheaper and easier to end up with that result.

      When someone pisses and moans like you do, my answer is that the fault lies with you, twofold: First, you need to take advantage of what is offered rather than bitching about it, and second, you need to stop bitching about other people perhaps taking advantage of the new ease-of-use to do things that you don't approve of, which gets nothing more than a BFD from me. Other people taking bad photos does not diminish your life, and it enriches theirs, especially since the alternative is not going to be "spending years learning to take photos" but "not taking photos at all".

      Stop whining, reach out, and take advantage of life! There's so much stuff to do and all that worldview will do is make you miserable amongst abundance!

    3. Re:Digital vs. analoge photo's by CastrTroy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Personally I find that the ability to take a lot of pictures at absolutely no cost has actually done a lot for photography. People aren't worried anymore that they are wasting film, or developing costs, so they just take a bunch of pictures. I know that I have a lot of the really nice pictures I have, simply because I could take 20 pictures without having to worry about the 19 that didn't turn out well. When I look back at my old family albums, there aren't a lot of pictures, and of the pictures that are there, a good number of them are somewhat bad quality. When I look back at the albums I have for my kids, there's a lot of really great photos.

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    4. Re:Digital vs. analoge photo's by pla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Photo's used to be precious, they carried a real cost (film, development and printing), and because of that, you used to think about what was worth taking a picture of.

      Although somewhat true, I have literally dozens of boxes of old photos and slides from my grandparents, mostly of the most mundane-looking scenes. Clearly the expense (my grandparents in no way counted as wealthy) and time didn't keep them from clicking away furiously while on vacation.

      I do, however, have to agree with you, in part... Thanks to having each picture basically "free" on a modern digital, with near-infinite capacity, I'll snap off a 3-burst at just about anything that even vaguely interests me. As a result, I have a far lower ratio of "good" pictures overall, but a much, much higher ratio of truly stunning ones. While in all those boxes I've found perhaps ten that elicit a "wow" of awe, on my last vacation alone I managed perhaps twice that many.


      Already, I've found myself frustrated and drowning in thousands of mediocre pictures.

      Yes, the ease of shooting off 300 pictures means you have plenty of crap to go through at the end of the day... But thanks to the ease not only of taking those pictures, but of viewing and deleting them, I can go through the whole lot in under ten minutes.

      And as for drowning in thousands of them - Delete the crap! Simple as that. If you take a burst, only keep the best of the group. If you take something blurry, gone. If you take 50 shots of the same whale only to notice later that you can't tell it from a bit of driftwood, delete the whole lot of 'em (except perhaps one to make fun of). You can think of it as a sort of "composition after the fact" - Shoot first and ask questions later.


      There is something about a box full of old, fading photographs that digital photo's just can't offer.

      Yeah - Dust. Lots of it.

  11. Reality is boring anyway... by argent · · Score: 3, Funny

    They promised us moonbases and flying cars, and instead we've got Lolbush's "Mars Tomorrow" scheme and $4.00 a gallon gas. People are living online and in VR, already, because that's the only place you can get a reliable jetpack... and some of the coolest stories on the net are about things like steampunk laptops... so who cares about something as mundane as a reverse-dorian-gray fetish?

  12. creepy... by inerlogic · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm a photographer and i had a bride ask me if i could photoshop her father into one of the shots.... only problem.... he died 3 weeks before the wedding. i did it, and it looks good... but it's creepy as hell.

    1. Re:creepy... by funaho · · Score: 3, Funny

      REALLY creepy is when you pull up the shots in photoshop and he's already in them, even before you start editing.

  13. Does it matter? by digitalhermit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I once believed that history can never be changed. We could make changes in the future, but the past was set in stone. The last person I thought would disagree with this was a history professor. But sure enough, my college history professor explains to the class that history is always changing. Whoever interprets the "records" makes the history.

    Ask most 30- and 40-something guys what their high school or college was like and it's almost certain to be different from the reality. We remember what we want. We interpret how we want. The story of the three blind men and the elephant is an old take on this.

  14. Kids and pets demand photoshop by MosesJones · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Last year one of the grandparents wanted to get all of the grand kids and the pets into a single photo. This is 7 kids under the age of 7, 4 cats and 3 dogs (combined weight of the dogs is around 300lbs, big dogs). They didn't want the adults in the photo just the pets and kids.

    Without photoshop that picture wouldn't exist. First of all the cats don't like being held for more than 20 seconds and the kids won't stop falling on the dogs and cuddling them, secondly there is a boy in the mix who appears to be a source of near infinite energy. The video of the photoshoot is hilarious as we try and get them all in one place. In the end after over 300 pictures with around 20 nearly there shots I hit photoshop and created a composite image that looked superb in around 20 minutes.

    That doesn't change my memory of the event (people are weird if they start creating a fantasy world) but it does mean there is now a decent picture on the wall. There is a line here between doctoring to create a potential reality and doctoring to create a fantasy. People in the later camp are looking over the wall at the looney bin.

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  15. Everything old is new again. by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think it's actually interesting to note that this trend of altering photographs actually has deeper roots.

    Think about portrait paintings that were all the rage for many hundreds of years before cameras were invented. The portraits were not usually exact recreations of what the painter saw. Usually, the subject was altered slightly to make them look 'better' (more conforming to the beauty ideals of the time period). The person was usually given clothes, jewelery, and surroundings that were prettier than reality (possibly more extravagant than they could really afford). These portraits were not really meant to capture reality: they were meant as a statement (usually "look how important I am", but perhaps also "this is what's meaningful/important to us").

    Old photographs were mostly "staged" (especially really old ones where people had to hold still for them), so it's not like they were faithful reflections of reality, either.

    Digitally altered images are similar. People are altering the photos to capture something. Not reality. But rather a statement they want to make, like "look how much fun that day was" or "look how beautiful I am" or "look how much I love you" or whatever.

    I'm not going to pass a value judgment on whether this trend is "good" or "bad". Rather I will note a few things:
    1. As computer power increases, automated "adjustment" of photos is likely to become more common. (Everything from relatively benign red-eye-removal and HDR tweaking, to more drastic things like automatically making people look prettier.)
    2. It may be that only for a thin slice of history were the majority of photos "real"--in the time period where photography was fast and cheap enough to snap "candid shots" but before photo-manipulation was fast and cheap enough to alter them.
    3. Despite all this modification, I'm sure plenty of "real" photos will remain--journalists, historians, and even normal folk will still be inclined to archive unmodified pictures. Especially with storage costs dropping, keeping the raw image files (before manipulation) will likely continue. In fact I would hope that future image formats would maintain an internal undo history, where the original photo-data remains.

  16. Re:It's all great till you don't exist by pilgrim23 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Burning of the Library of Alexandria, the Witch Scare of the middle ages, Shakespeare's re-write of British history in Macbeth...
    "I have ancient proof that space aliens wrote the Declaration of Independence, That Howard Hughes wrote a will, that Elvis had a love child with _____ fill in bimbo du jours.. oh and do be careful, the ink's not quite dry"..
    Changing our collective memory is nothing new.

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  17. This has long been the case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Personal "photographic records" have always told a more perfect story.

    For one, how many of us photograph our dreary work lives? From looking at my photo album, one would think I do nothing but roam the exotic corners of the Earth. (Which is not the case, I assure you).

    Furthermore, I personally toss out the photos in which I'm looking stupid, drooling, spilling my beer on myself or caught ogling cleavage. So the "photographic record" of myself has always been some shiny, respectable version of reality.

    We humans love to represent reality with a positive spin. It's what we do. It's the same reason we wear clothes.

    Move along. Nothing new here.

  18. how is this news? by owlnation · · Score: 2, Insightful

    People have been doing this since the beginning of photography. In fact people have probably been doing it since the beginning of the concept of the recorded image. I wouldn't be surprised if Uncle Ugg was edited out of cave paintings.

    The technology is different sure, but Photoshop has had the ability to do this for years.

    THIS IS NOT, IN ANY WAY, NEWS.

    Slashdot gets more and more like Digg every day. Please, please stop this trend.

  19. Been done before Orwell too by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Look up Damnatio Memoriae sometime. They erased people from public records thousands of years ago, for a range of reasons that included:

    - betrayal

    - so others wouldn't be tempted to do something heinous just to get popularity (e.g., Herostratus)

    - being really hated as an Emperor (e.g., Domitian. Though Caligula and Nero came this close to getting one too.)

    - someone not liking the role you've played or the model you'd be for others (E.g., Hatshpsut was almost erased from history as a Pharaoh by her son, but he left her name and images alone where she was depicted/named as anything else than a Pharaoh. E.g., Akhenaten got his name defaced off most monuments after death.)

    - some reasons ranging all the way to outright silly (E.g., the abovementioned Akhenaten, the pharaoh formerly known as Amenhotep IV, managed to almost erase his father Amenhotep III from history for the sole reason that the name contained the name of the God Amen/Amon/Amun/whatever-you-call-him. And Akhenaten had just gone rabidly monotheistic, even renaming himself the Servant Of Aten.)

    Of course, nobody managed to really erase a Roman Emperor from history, because nobody had the resources for such a herculean task. It didn't stop the Senate from at least trying. And IIRC Hatshepsut was pretty much erased until very recently. It took a while to piece together that she's the missing piece in that chronology.

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  20. Re:Photoshop is not a verb by dat+cwazy+wabbit · · Score: 3, Funny

    >> By following the below guidelines, you can help Adobe protect the Photoshop brand name.

    I woke up just this morning wondering how I could do this. Thanks!

  21. Not New Science by penguin_dance · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually this isn't new. Doctors have found that it's fairly easy to manipulate memories with photos and there is the development of drugs used to treat PTSD and other victims to erase or lessen traumatic memories.

    What was scary was, a few years back, I saw on TV where they took a classroom of kids, made up a scenario--soon the kids believed that scenario happened to them personally.

    I have a big problem with this science. While I understand wanting to help victims that might become suicidal, I have a problem with manipulating someone's memory just as I would shooting them up with mind-numbing drugs so they don't feel anything. I think working through the incident would make you far more stronger than taking a pill to blank it out.

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  22. Re:Photoshop is not a verb by Nushio · · Score: 5, Funny

    Photoshop is not a verb

    I know! Thats why I've been gimping stuff for the past few years.

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  23. It often was more complex by Moraelin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, true, but sometimes it wasn't even just a desire to look good. E.g., in ancient Egypt the paintings and sculptures were

    1. invariably religious in nature. A painting or sculpture could actually house the Ka (part of the soul that actually has a shape) of the deceased, in case his mummy gets damaged or he's too poor to get one. (Seriously, a reward you could bestow upon your poorer servants would be to paint them on your tomb walls, or be buried with some little statues of them.)

    They didn't even paint and sculpt the person, they painted and sculpted his/her Ka. So the Pharaoh was always painted or sculpted bigger than life and perfectly proportioned, because his Ka was that of a God.The Pharaoh being the living incarnation of Horus. Lower class people were painted smaller than they were. With nobles and officials being the middle ground. This rule took precedence, for example, over perspective. Even if the Pharaoh was in the back and the peasants in the front, the Pharaoh's image would nevertheless be larger than any of them.

    2. a matter of sacred rules and traditions, some of them even handed down by the Gods themselves on sacred papirus scrolls.

    E.g., everyone would be painted looking to the side, even if otherwise their body is facing the "camera". Always. It doesn't matter if you think you'd look better from the front, your head will be painted from the side anyway. E.g., the tone of the skin was a function of nationality and gender, rather than offering any insight into what they actually looked like. (They were painting the Ka, not the mortal body anyway.) So we have the Egyptian males painted a reddish brown tan, but women are painted with a rather unnatural yellow skin. Other nationalities they knew about were, pretty much, colour coded with their own hues.

    And for a bit of final fun, it's worth noting though that some people seem to have been honest with their appearance, though. Akhenaten for example always appears not with the Pharaoh proportions, but as a guy as big as anyone else, pear-shaped, with man-boobs and some thin legs and arms :P

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  24. How to prove anything? by Nerdposeur · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let the purists have their purity, and let the pragmatists have their pragmatism. The nice part about technology is that both can coexist peacefully, ignoring a the artistic equivalent of "get off my lawn."

    I agree with you as regards purely artistic photography. Plenty of the techniques there - fish-eye lenses, long or multiple exposures, colored lenses, etc - already distort reality for artistic purposes.

    What I wonder is this: is there a way to take photos as reliable documentary evidence anymore? How can you prove that something has not been altered?

    1. Re:How to prove anything? by Danny+Rathjens · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What I wonder is this: is there a way to take photos as reliable documentary evidence anymore? How can you prove that something has not been altered?

      I saw a policeman ticket a women in front of my office for using a handicapped parking spot. He used a polaroid camera - the kind which develops a print on the spot - to take a picture of her vehicle and where it was situated. For a second I was asking myself why he was not just using a cheap digital camera and then it dawned on me that answering your question was likely the reason. :)

      It's obviously not ironclad, but it probably lessens the likelihood of the photo having been manipulated if it goes into the evidence bag at the crime scene.

    2. Re:How to prove anything? by jbohumil · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nikon has Image Authentication software that can detect whether an image has been processed or altered after having been taken. I would expect to see this used in cases where digital photographs are used as evidence in a trial.

    3. Re:How to prove anything? by greed · · Score: 2, Informative

      Canon has one too; but it only works with their serious-pro DSLRs, the EOS 1Ds Mark III and 1D Mark III currently.

      So no proof against image tampering from such "low end" cameras as the EOS 5D.

      I'll give Nikon a serious edge there, on having their set-up work with the D300, a sub-$2000 body....

  25. Retouching is an old artform by rkaa · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've worked with old school reproduction work and retouching, as well as photo retouching and digital restoration of antique photos. Analogue manipulations just went digital, that's all there's to it.

    Vanity always ruled. Even in real life we try to improve ourselves in order to please the senses: We wear makeup, fake "body" smells, garnments, footwear.. all to make a visual statement. *That's* the naked truth: We all cheat on reality. There's mankind for you.

    Scan in an old sepia photo of your great-great-great grandmother, and study it in detail. Very often you'll find lines added: Eyelashes, "eyeliner", sometimes contours of nose and nails were enhanced in the darkroom, engraved modifications right onto the plate. Partly done to improve a poor shot, partly to enhance the subject. Coloring was also done, long before the first experiments with photographic color techniques were launched.

    If "photoshopping" is somehow morally questionable, is black-and-white photography also questionable? It certainly doesn't reflect reality. But who ever said reflecting reality is the perogative of photography? All means of portrayal is artificial. Enter: Art.

    Even a photo right out of the camera was and is tainted. Parameters are set for sharpness, contrast, hue and colors - be it by choise of analogue film and development etc. - or by digital options - basically mimicking the features of analogue cameras and traditional darkroom processes.

    http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/farid/research/digitaltampering/

  26. Skill and Money by bugs2squash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember my dad and I going to a photography club when I was a kid. We marveled at the color prints that a few other members were creating. The equipment to do so was beyond our financial reach.

    Now you can produce high quality color photos quickly and cheaply, so many more people get to play.

    The lower financial barrier plus the removal of the necessity to make space for all that equipment and chemicals must have at least as much to do with the increase in photo alteration as any skill differences.

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  27. This is as old as photography itself. by dannydawg5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    See this for a fascinating read about manipulating photographs throughout history.

    http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/farid/research/digitaltampering/

  28. As long as you keep it to yourself by meist3r · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...or for entertainment purposes I don't care what the hell people do to their photographs. Without editing regular photos nobody would care about "ma lazor" and 300. The second you use the pictures to try to fool someone into thinking you actually had sex with the entire New Zealand cheerleading team (the female one) or that your ex girlfriend really did have two differently sized breasts that's despiccable and should be persecuted. The only problem is it will be harder and harder to prove. The sentence "Whatever is true for you, is true for you" works perfectly here. As long as you don't want to make people believe in your fake photos I don't give a damn. But as we see on a daily basis that border has long been crossed (need I say Beijing '08 fireworks or Iranian missile test?)

  29. Methinks you're too optimistic by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No one thinks that the government will ever have the power to do change history without everyone knowing and agreeing to it.

    Except it did so already several times. Admittedly, not during the lifetimes of those involved, but 2000 years later you get a list of Pharaohs where Horemheb follows directly after Amenhotep III. (Hint: there's more than one missing there.) And you take it seriously. Heck, it doesn't even take that long. A mere couple hundred years after the fact, Egyptian historians themselves were compiling lists of Pharaohs with the same missing names and not noticing anything funny about them. I doubt that it was pure conspiracy and with everyone knowing that they're faking history.

    Plus, I think that Orwell's point wasn't that you can get people to suddenly forget, but that you can get everyone to play along and shut up. And that they could and did before. Even if you're sure you saw Comrade Yezhov together with Comrad Stalin (to use a real historical example), you keep your mouth shut because you don't fancy a visit from the NKVD. A generation later, already kids are learning a history without Yezhov, and nobody bothers telling them otherwise. The Damnatio Memoria is now complete. Or conversely more than one dictator manufactured a revolutionary history for himself, and placed himself in photos of fights and protests he wasn't actually present at. A generation later, and maybe a purge or two of those who are actually in a position to say he wasn't there, and that has just become history.

    Most history books are censored to put their nation in a good light. Some times its only a slight bias; sometimes its not anything we'd ever recognize as history. In all cases, you can make sure that the writers, publishers, and school districts all know about the hidden bias and wouldn't even think of switching out a history book from a different culture/region into another's. It just wouldn't sell well.

    Actually, I doubt that many people realize it as clear as you claim. Most people, especially from cultures which heavily faked history, just think that their version is right and everyone _else_ is biased or lying.

    Look no further than the Eastern Bloc, where ancient border disputes were exaggerated and occasionally even fictionalized, to keep people's attention focused on those instead of on the present-day internal problems. You know, keep them thinking "OMG, country X is teh enemy because they took one of our provinces 1000 years ago!" instead of looking at who's having a more immediate and substantial impact upon their standard of living. _Especially_ countries which, honestly, had just gotten some province as reward after WW1 or WW2, invented elaborate layers of rationales as to why it was always theirs anyway.

    I don't think most of those, even history teachers, actually knew that they're teaching a faked or biased history. Nor that they'd think, basically, "I wouldn't use a history book from country X because their bias is different from ours and it wouldn't sell." They thought more along the lines of "OMG, the people from country X are a bunch of evil liars! They still teach that province Y was originally theirs! They even print historical maps where it's painted as theirs!" (Never mind that at that point in history it actually was "theirs".)

    Or as other examples, look at how the Crusades are perceived differently by different people. Or how Napoleon is a national hero to the French and almost an archvillain for some other people. Etc.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that the whole point about having a bias is that you're unaware of it. You don't think "man, I'm from country X, I guess I have no choice but to be biased against country Y. Let's see which history books fit my bias." If you can think in those terms, you're already unbiased and rational about it. Being biased is more like already knowing something to be true, and looking for the sources that fit that pre-defined truth.

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  30. Tutorials by PPH · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a series of tutorials dealing with this very topic. Start with:

    You Suck at PhotoShop.

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  31. No more polaroids...maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The only problem is that Polaroid is abandoning the kind if camera it is famous for. They're willing to license the technology to other companies, however, so it's not necessarily over.

    News article from the NY Times here:
    http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/polaroid-abandons-instant-photography/

  32. Probably can still tell by Digital_Quartz · · Score: 4, Informative

    You might not be able to tell, but a mathematician probably can.

    Basically the idea is that if you open up a JPG, and then save it, the overall quality of the image deteriorates in a non-linear fashion with repeated saves. So, if you resave the image at 95% quality, and introduce a known error, then compare that against the original, the deterioration in quality should be homogeneous throughout the image. If not, the image is a composition from multiple sources. Check out slides 42 and 43 in the linked PDF file.

    You can get around this, but you need to be VERY careful. Ideally you'd want to start out with raw images, and do all your manipulation saves/loads in some lossless format. Any kind of painting or blending in the image would have to be done carefully, as well, as it would be easy to produce a region of superior quality pixels that would show up in this kind of analysis.

    1. Re:Probably can still tell by pwnies · · Score: 3, Insightful

      To be quite honest though, those who are professionals at digital manipulation would never save their work as .jpg before they are finished. From personal experience, if I need to flatten the image and save it, I'll go for a lossless .png format. However if you have any version of photoshop made within the last decade or so, you'll have a handy feature called "snapshots" built right into photoshop - which stores the state of the manipulation you are currently at, and you can revert to at any time. This almost entirely eliminates any need to save the file as a different format save for finishing.

      Also though, to get around the deterioration of the .jpg is quite easy. Simply adding random noise to the image will throw off any algorithm trying to scan it for compression, while being nearly undetectable to the eyes. This is also a pretty common thing to do when doing professional manipulations, as it often will make it more believable if the noise across the photograph is uniform.

      tl;dr - Those are only follies that someone who wasn't a professional would fall prey to. Any digital professional would bypass all of those simply due to how he went about doing his job.