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DNA Bar Coding Finds Mislabeled Sushi

Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times reports that Kate Stoeckle and Louisa Strauss, who graduated this year from the Trinity School in Manhattan, took on a freelance science project to check 60 samples of seafood using a simplified genetic fingerprinting technique called DNA Bar Coding to see whether the fish New Yorkers buy is what they think they are getting, and found that one-fourth of the fish samples with identifiable DNA were mislabeled: A piece of sushi sold as the luxury treat white tuna turned out to be Mozambique tilapia, a much cheaper fish that is often raised by farming. Roe supposedly from flying fish was actually from smelt." (More below.) "Seven of nine samples that were called red snapper were mislabeled, and they turned out to be anything from Atlantic cod to Acadian redfish, an endangered species. The project began over dinner with Stoeckle's father, a scientist and early proponent of the use of DNA bar codings. Instead of sequencing the entire genome, bar coders examine a single gene. Dr. Stoeckle said he was excited to see the technology used in a new way and compared the technique to GPS. 'The smaller and cheaper you make something,' he said, 'the more uses it has.'"

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  1. So..?? by FredFredrickson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What are you going to do? Please, don't waste your research and not.. report these! I want a certified sushi organization. There's money to be made!

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    1. Re:So..?? by sm62704 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I saw this on Yahoo News this morning, I think it was an AP or UPI story so it could have been the same one, but the article I saw didn't even mention sushi, but different species of fish, and named the species that were misrepresented.

      One sample was from an endangered species.

      Seems that it should be a government function, say the FOOD and drug administration, to not only make sure that your food won't kill you but that what you pay for is what you get.

      Restaraunts here sell walleye, but walleye is in dangered and illegal (at least accorsing to a restaurant owner I talked to) so they sell pollack and call it walleye. IMO it should be illegal to put "ribeye steak" on the menu and serve you dog.

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    2. Re:So..?? by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, perhaps a certification kit could be made that consumers could use every so often to check on their fishmongers and Sushi bars. Hopefully it wouldn't cost that much but costs would be proportional to the type of food tested. I know some rare sushi can get expensive. I would like to know I'm getting my money's worth. You could then pool the resources and rate different establishments on honesty. Obviously there might be a potential for abuse. So even if i just randomly check and can take the box to the kit comes in with me so they know I'll be looking and give me the right stuff, I would know I got my money's worth and probably find a trusted supplier that I would frequent.

    3. Re:So..?? by Moridineas · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seems that it should be a government function, say the FOOD and drug administration, to not only make sure that your food won't kill you but that what you pay for is what you get.

      I wonder if it's the restaurants pulling one, or their suppliers (or both)

      Restaraunts here sell walleye [wikipedia.org], but walleye is in dangered and illegal (at least accorsing to a restaurant owner I talked to) so they sell pollack [wikipedia.org] and call it walleye. IMO it should be illegal to put "ribeye steak" on the menu and serve you dog.

      Walleye endangered? I've never heard of that...sounds wacky to me, they're all over the great lakes, etc. (correction after looking it up -- the BLUE walleye has been extinct for about 30 years, but there are still lots of regular walleye).

      I had walleye on a stick at the Minnesota state fair--it was great! My dad used to catch them when he was a kid too.

    4. Re:So..?? by KDR_11k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fraud is no part of a free market and does not deserve any protection.

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    5. Re:So..?? by vux984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is illegal to mis-represent items for sale. You want more legislation than that?

      How about enforcement? I'm not going to perform random DNA samples on my food. But I still expect to be sold what it says on the label/menu, so someone has to do that verification.

    6. Re:So..?? by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fraud falls under criminal law so yes, it is the govt's job to police that. A fraudulent label waiting for someone to fall for it is no different from a fraudster standing at a street corner looking for a suitable mark, except it's much easier to prove that there was intent to deceive with the label.

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    7. Re:So..?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Another words, for all intensive porpoises, the TFA in hails deeply.

      fixed that for ya...

    8. Re:So..?? by chemisus · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a Mozambique tilapia lover, I support this.

      there, fixed that for ya.

    9. Re:So..?? by vux984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Short of doing the test yourself you have no assurance of anything.

      I trust 'a government body doing testing' more than 'no one doing testing'.

      The FDA is an unelected body and cannot be sued by the individual or corporation. It acts almost autonomously and always in it's own best interests not yours.

      I've dealt with the FDA in the course of work, and while they make operate in their best interests, and they burden business with a shit-ton of make-work; but they don't seem particularly corrupt to me. Bureaucratic and arbitrary, but not corrupt.

      If you wish to have people test restaurants in this manner then gather together with others and organize a body to do it.

      I already did that, I formed a government, and then elected representatives to form bodies like the FDA for precisely this purpose.

      You charge both your memebers and restaurants. You publish your methods and your results. Your members and restaurants would flock to you if this was seen as a good thing.

      They do indeed see it as a good thing. If we deny them a license to sell goods or operate, they are finished. If we find they have violated the laws we have passed they are punished.

      Think michellin guide but on a whole new level.

      I'm already operating on a whole other level.

      Of course you won't do the above, not because it's not a good idea but because you are too lazy/cheap and want other people to pick up the tab for what you deem a necessity.

      I do pick up the tab. I pay a healthy dose in taxes to fund these government regulatory bodies.

      And at the end of the day, I don't WANT a voluntary organization that restaurants sign up to. I don't want to to go into a market or restaurant and have to check the for logos and certifications just to be confident that when I order Alberta beef tenderloin that I'm not served mexican donkey.

      I want standards to be mandatory and enforced nationwide.

    10. Re:So..?? by Hyppy · · Score: 4, Funny

      For all intensive purposes, he could of meant it the way it was typed.

    11. Re:So..?? by demonlapin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm generally in agreement with your point, but what if it's the first time you've ever tried it, and you honestly don't know what it's supposed to taste like? You might lose out on an immensely delicious dish just because the first time you ordered it you got sea rat instead.

    12. Re:So..?? by D'Sphitz · · Score: 4, Funny

      woosh

    13. Re:So..?? by vux984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and you are asking me to pick up the short fall for something I do not want.

      That's part of being part of a democratic society. We disagree, we take a vote, we act. Someone is always unhappy about something.

      I think overall that we do in fact want, as a collective society, to set standards on food quality and to enforce accuracy in labeling so we are going to enact an agency of some sort to do that. Every country I'm familiar with has such rules and enforcers. So even if we had a perfect democracy and you could call a referendum tomorrow and have a well informed population vote on it, you'd probably find we'd end up choosing to have such an enforcement body.

      Granted the actual democracy pretty much sucks, and I don't think ANYONE wants the FDA in its current form, but the solution isn't to abolish them. And even if we got rid of them, we'd likely just create another one shortly thereafter. Its what the majority wants.

    14. Re:So..?? by interactive_civilian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So says Arterion:

      Exactly! Who cares what is it as long as it tastes good. This is snobbery at its finest.

      So, you don't mind being charged double or triple the cost of something because it is labeled as something more expensive? As long as it tastes good, that isn't a issue for you?

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    15. Re:So..?? by pseudometrometeorgin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I eat much sushi, and have been ripped off before. For example, flying fish roe (aka tobiko), looks very similar to smelt roe (aka masago). The difference is that tobiko is much tastier and much more expensive than masago. Some establishments assume I can't tell the difference, but I can. Usually, when I correct their mistake, I am compensated with some free sushi.

    16. Re:So..?? by Walkingshark · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So, for example, if someone slips some corn product into a food product and doesn't put it on the label because "buyer beware" then when I, a person with an allergy to corn, eats it and gets sick/dies, guess I'm just SOL? I guess so, in your world. I guess it would also be ok for me to pop your head like a melon from 1000 yards and then take all your stuff, since you're so against government regulation of private behavior.

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    17. Re:So..?? by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is there some health reason why canis lupus is verboten?

      Since dog meat is illegal to sell [in that location], it is a given that any of it being sold has not been subject to any sort of meaningful quality control. Which means you might be eating a purebred St Bernard, strangely missing from the household of the richest man in the area, or you might be eating whichever mangy, disease-ridden, mongrel was unlucky enough to be in the alley behind the restaurant twenty minutes ago.

      So, yes, in places where dog is illegal to sell there are almost certainly health reasons why it is a bad idea.

    18. Re:So..?? by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

      My favourite was spelling "millennium" to someone over the phone, who kept asking "minellium?"

      M as in Moron, I as in idiot, L as in lackwit, L as in lackwit, E as in stupid, N as in numbskull, N as in numbskull, I as in idiot, U as in utterly stupid, M as in moron.

      She didn't clue in to the "E". :)

  2. I'm wondering about the contents of my burrito... by Eg0Death · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...can you check the DNA in that? I hope it's not anyone I know.

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  3. Economic Incentive to Mislabel? by dakirw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It'll be interesting to see whether the sushi shops or fish vendors mislabel on purpose. There's powerful incentive to misidentify if you can get away with it - substitute some cheap fish for premium ones, like the premium tuna example in the article. Also interesting that the students found endangered fish samples as well...

    1. Re:Economic Incentive to Mislabel? by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, what are the Japanese names of the fish in question?

      After all, the North American "Trout" is really closer to a salmon than the European "Trout". A North American "Bass" is really just a big sunfish. People came over here and used the old fish names for critters of similar size and habits.

      The "Chilean Sea Bass" was a deliberate renaming of the Patagonian Toothfish to have a more commercially desirable name.

      So, all in all there are at least five different distinct families of fish that are called "bass".

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    2. Re:Economic Incentive to Mislabel? by Amouth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you can tell the diffrence by looking at it and touching it. (you can tell through gloves or thin plastic)

      if you work with fish enough - you should be able to tell what fish you are working with by just looking at it and maybe touching it.

      while i wouldn't know some exotic south specific fish - any that are found off NC i could identify quite easily - then again i used to work at a fish mart. and fished alot growing up.. so i was exposed to it.

      i would expect any sushi chef worth a damn to be able to do the same for what he is serving.

      and as for the diffrense between kobe beef and normal stuff you get.. again you can tell the diffrence by just touching it - if you know what your are looking for

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    3. Re:Economic Incentive to Mislabel? by kungfugleek · · Score: 4, Funny

      You could also tell by the way it smelt.

    4. Re:Economic Incentive to Mislabel? by Solandri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Common names are vague, disorganised, and often misleading. Latin names are not.

      Latin names can be wrong too. As the OP alluded to, trout were once considered distinct from salmon and char. The fish were categorized into these groups based on morphological and behavioral differences (trout = Salmo, salmon = Oncorhynchus, char = Salvelinus ).

      Then DNA testing became available and totally destroyed the well-established taxonomy. Rainbow trout, which for centuries had been the archetypical example of a trout, turned out to be more closely related to the salmons. Atlantic salmon were a trout. Lake trout in the Great Lakes were a char. Click on the above Wikipedia links and you can tell how much damage was done to the taxonomy by comparing the common names to the genus. Rainbow trout (aka steelhead) which were formerly Salmo mykiss are now Oncorhynchus mykiss.

  4. Re:I'm wondering about the contents of my burrito. by Freeside1 · · Score: 3, Funny

    come to think of it, I haven't seen the taco bell chihuahua in a while...

  5. Big Surprise by RemoWilliams84 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is anyone really surprised that a business is selling cheaper fish off as a more expensive one.

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    1. Re:Big Surprise by zarkill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here in Tampa, Florida area, this was recently a very big deal. One of the things Tampa is famous for is Grouper, and several well-known restaurants were found to be serving cheaper fish instead of Grouper.

      6 out of 11 restaurants served cheaper fish.

      According to that article though it's hard to tell whether the deception was intentional, and even if so, who was deceptive: the restaurant, the wholesaler, etc.

    2. Re:Big Surprise by the_humeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's interesting is that it actually takes a DNA test to determine this. For the most part, people can't taste the difference between these fish. So, in these high-end restaurants, you're really just buying into an illusion. I wonder if foodies and other food connoisseurs would be able to tell the difference.

    3. Re:Big Surprise by ArsonSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      We secretly replaced this group's sushi with Folger's crystals. Let's see if they notice...

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    4. Re:Big Surprise by illegalcortex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, yes and no. With any dish, ingredients are going to vary in quality and the cooking/preparing will also vary. So you go into a restaurant, order Red Snapper and after eating it you thought it was just OK. Maybe the chef didn't know what they were doing. Maybe that particular fish just wasn't a good specimen. Maybe it's been frozen a bit long. Maybe it's a bit past the sell by date.

      Or maybe it's not Red Snapper.

      In my personal experience, I've had really good Red Snapper, and I've not so good Red Snapper. Was the difference because of the former factors, or because of the latter? Not having a raw sample and a DNA test, I couldn't tell you for sure.

    5. Re:Big Surprise by ThousandStars · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Freakonomics just had a post about wine drinkers and taste: "Their conclusion: fancy people with lots of training can tell cheap wine from expensive wine, but regular people cannot." Interesting stuff.

      I used the same article as a component of a short essay on artistic taste.

    6. Re:Big Surprise by Dare+nMc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Penn and Teller "Bullshit" did explore that they could make a $5 meal with a $3 bottle of wine fool all but a very few food critiques with a great presentation at a classy restaurant.

      Though the industry should want some policing. IE I bought "good" sushi, and liked it, but not more than a good steak. So I don't buy sushi. Perhaps I just got screwed, and buying the right stuff would make me a sushi lover.

    7. Re:Big Surprise by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative
      It's amazing how much of the popularity (and price) of seafood relies on its cachet rather than its taste. In colonial times, lobster was considered trash and people resented having to eat it too much. Pollock and haddock were considered bycatch in the pursuit of cod. Until the cod fisheries were wiped out and the fishermen needed to find something else to catch. Now the pollack and haddock are the staple foodfishes (if you've ever eaten frozen fish sticks or a fish sandwich, it's probably one of these fish). As halibut declined in numbers, sole and flounder were marketed as replacements.

      .
      The same thing happened to orange roughy and monkfish (both some of the most hideous looking fish you'll ever see), and shark (difficult to prepare because of the high ammonia content in the meat). All were once considered trash and literally shoveled overboard in the pursuit of (at the time) more valuable fish. Now that those more valuable fish have been overfished, the industry spruces up the image of what was formerly considered trash fish to sell to the public.

      BTW, what's sold as red snapper often isn't red snapper. Pretty much any of the snappers and frequently any of the rockfishes (aka rock cod) are sold as red snapper. Most of their meat is pretty similar, but there are subtle differences.

    8. Re:Big Surprise by illegalcortex · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I picked red snapper for my example specifically because it was one of the fish most often substituted for. It was actually reading an article many years ago that centered on red snapper that first made me aware of fish fraud. Though typically a restaurant won't be so bold and still claim it's red snapper. They call it "bay snapper", or "gulf snapper" or "pacific red snapper" or, the worst of all in my opinion, just plain "snapper."

      Ah, here's the article I read many years ago that opened my eyes to the whole thing:
      http://www.houston-press.com/2001-11-01/news/fish-fraud/full

  6. Re:I'm wondering about the contents of my burrito. by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Doesn't cooking destroy DNA?

  7. Re:I'm wondering about the contents of my burrito. by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Doesn't cooking destroy DNA?

    This article is about sushi. He's eating his burrito raw.

  8. Confucius say by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 4, Funny

    Confucius say "Man who check fish too closely never get bone in freelay."

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  9. Another article by thepacketmaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This was also covered in an article in the Toronto Star.

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  10. Ahhh, a RED SNAPPAH. Mmmmm, very tasty. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kuni: Okay, Weaver, listen carefully. You can hold on to your red snapper...

    Kuni: ...or you can go for what's in the box that Hiro-San is bringing down the aisle right now! What's it gonna be?

    Phyllis Weaver: I'll take the box. The box!

    Kuni: You took the box? Let's see what's in the box!

    Kuni: Nothing! Absolutely nothing! STUPID! You're so STU-PIIIIIIIIIIID!

    1. Re:Ahhh, a RED SNAPPAH. Mmmmm, very tasty. by ckthorp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Supplies! Whoever modded the parent insightful apparently hasn't seen an awesome movie.

  11. Obligatory Jokes by thewiz · · Score: 5, Funny

    Roe supposedly from flying fish was actually from smelt.

    Of course, the roe from flying fish are from smelt; they're the ones that are being dive-bombed!

    Seven of nine samples...

    Leave it to the Slashdot crowd to put a Star Trek reference in a story about seafood.

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  12. Mr. Leonard is going to be very happy by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 3, Interesting
    If NY works the same as holland then this guy is going to be very busy, the one place whose fish passed all tests?

    In holland a newspaper called AD has a feature where they test fries, patat.

    The ones that win proudly display the article and do massive business because of it. With so many bad fast food places being tested as being the best is an excellent piece of advertising.

    If you were going to buy fish/sushi and you just read this article, where would you go?

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  13. Re:Someone is gonna be in trouble. by kd5zex · · Score: 2, Funny

    Judge to convicted sushi restaurant proprietor:"Out of curiosity, what does Acadian Redfish taste like anyway?"
    Convicted sushi restaurant proprietor:"A lot like Atlantic Salmon."

  14. Tobiko vs. Masago by jcr · · Score: 3, Informative

    FTA: Roe supposedly from flying fish was actually from smelt.

    Cheaper sushi bars do this all the time, and you don't need DNA sequencing to spot the difference. Tobiko (flying fish roe) eggs are larger than smelt eggs, and they're a clear orange color.

    -jcr

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  15. Re: by QuincyFree · · Score: 5, Informative

    Steve Palumbi did this back in the mid-90's for whale and dolphin products being sold in commercial markets in Korea and Japan (Baker and Palumbi 1994 Science 265: 1538; Baker et al. 1995 Molecular Ecology 5:671). Essentially they went around the fish stalls taking samples and amplifying and sequencing them in their hotel room. From the latter article abstract:


    This 'spot check' revealed a surprising variety of species for sale, including minke, fin and humpback whales and one or two species of dolphins sold as 'kujira' or whale. In the Korean survey, DNA amplifications were conducted by two of us (C.S.B. and F.C.) working with independent equipment and reagents. The two sets of DNA amplifications were returned to our respective laboratories and sequenced independently for cross-validation. Among the total of 17 species-specific sequences we found a dolphin, a beaked whale, 13 Northern Hemisphere minke whales (representing at least seven distinct individuals) and two whales which are closely related to the recognized sei and Bryde's whales but could not be identified as either using available type sequences. We suggest that these two specimens represent a currently unrecognized species or subspecies of Bryde's whale, possibly the so-called 'small-form' reported from the tropical waters of the Indo-Pacific.

    Until these guys went out and actually did the sequencing, no one knew for sure how much illegal whaling activity was going on.

  16. Re:I'm wondering about the contents of my burrito. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    In Japanese cuisine, sushi is vinegared rice, usually topped with other ingredients, including fish, various meats, and vegetables.

    Outside of Japan, sushi is sometimes misunderstood to mean the raw fish itself, or even any fresh raw-seafood dishes.

    In Japan, sliced raw fish alone is called sashimi and is distinct from sushi, as sashimi is the raw fish component, not the rice component.

    The word sushi itself comes from an archaic grammatical form of a word that is no longer used in other contexts; literally, sushi means "it's sour".

  17. sushi, sashimi by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 4, Informative

    Technically, raw fish is "sashimi", but is often combined with rice and seaweed and other ingredients to make sushi. Not all sushi contains sashimi, but most does. I don't think rice by itself counts as sushi.

    1. Re:sushi, sashimi by ari_j · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only that, but can't sushi also contain cooked fish? That said, when the article talks about one quarter of fish with identifiable DNA, it seems obvious that he's not taking DNA from cooked seafood or from rice.

    2. Re:sushi, sashimi by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not only that, but can't sushi also contain cooked fish?

      Of course. I've had many a sushi roll containing tempura shrimp, tataki-style tuna, and so forth.

  18. Re:seems to be common by citylivin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The funny thing is that, as shown here, most people cannot tell the difference, which begs the question of whether it matters that a product was substituted."

    I've had godawful salmon at sushi restaurants but what is your recourse? Don't eat there pretty much. Its not like your going to call out the owner and say - hey this is shome shite fish you got here! I'd imagine most people can tell that its not as good as the normal sushi they are used to, but attribute it to bad chefs or lack of freshness. Of course some people who have never known good sushi (east coasters) would have no idea what to expect. Maybe the people who frequent these places simply have no idea what the correct fish is supposed to taste like.

    "we are not going to reduce our meals to a science experiment."

    If they made a handheld personal computer which took a sample of food and judged its purity, or broke down its components by DNA, there would for sure be a market. If for no other reason than to not pay for inferior food. The device would pay for itself in a month for someone who eats out alot. Empowering people to make smart buying decisions themselves always has a market. Dont think of it as a science experiment, but more of a game. Many people obsessively care about what they put in their bodies. That is why mandatory nutritional information has been on all foodstuffs since the mid 90s.

    People love to catch other people in a lie. It makes them feel superior, and rightly so.

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  19. half a pun by jollyreaper · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want to do some sort of pun on Roe v. something but I can't think of anything fishy that rhymes with Wade.

    Eh, the best one was from Katrina.

    "What does Bush think about Roe vs. Wade?"

    "He doesn't care how they get out of New Orleans."

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  20. This method has some limitations by Zerth · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since this relies on segments of mitochondrial DNA(not the nucleus's DNA), it fails in species with endosymbiotic bacteria, such as many arthropods and the Wolbachia bacteria. So it's unlikely this will work on, say, crab or lobster.

    Wolbachia is an awesome bacteria, as it can cause those infected with it to be unable to breed with those not infected, which could possibly induce the divergence of species. Some species have been infected with it so long, generationally, that they go sterile if you give them antibiotics.

  21. Re:I'm wondering about the contents of my burrito. by dkleinsc · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oh don't worry: If it's from Taco Bell, it doesn't have any organic matter in there anyway.

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  22. Great... by Translation+Error · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now they're performing deep packet inspection on our sushi. If we eat the wrong kind of fish, do we get throttled?

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    1. Re:Great... by Overzeetop · · Score: 2, Funny

      Getting it hot and covering it with a salty...oh, hell, I'm not even going to finish that one.

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    2. Re:Great... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Getting it hot and covering it with a salty...oh, hell, I'm not even going to finish that one.

      I would have paid good money for you to not even have started that one.

      How can I get the images out of my head?

  23. Re:seems to be common by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course some people who have never known good sushi (east coasters) would have no idea what to expect. Maybe the people who frequent these places simply have no idea what the correct fish is supposed to taste like.

    It's charming the way that West Coasters, especially Californians, imagine they have better food than other regions. Dead wrong, but charming.

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  24. Something's fishy here! by rts008 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "If you were going to buy fish/sushi and you just read this article, where would you go?"

    Uhmm...fishing?

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  25. Common Practice in the Food Industry by Kneo24 · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a common practice in the food industry. While there might be a few cases of people really not realize what they've bought for their consumers is the wrong stuff, by far and large, especially in the restaurant biz, they know it's not what they've claimed it to be.

    Why do this do this? Profits of course! Charge $18 for a mahi meal and serve them cod or tilapia instead. The average persons taste buds aren't refined enough to know the difference.

    I've been kindly asked to leave sushi places before when my "fresh super white tuna from Korea" tasted a lot like farm raised cod, which I rudely pointed out when the waitress asked me if "everything was ok". At least I got a somewhat free meal out of it!

    And now that I think about it, all of the Sushi places I've been too, there's only been one or two places that actually served what they advertised. Hands down, best tasting sushi I will ever have.

    Ultimately, I don't think this will change anything on the restaurant side. Grocery store side? Maybe. When you can make large profits from misrepresenting what you're selling and get away with it, the barcoding won't stop it. All it will do is help the honest business stay honest.

  26. Re:We Don't Need No Regulation! by HiThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For certain meanings of fix.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  27. Walleye are not endangered just expensive by voss · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So theyll sell pikeperch which tastes almost exactly the same but costs a lot less. Its illegal to mislabel to do so but hard to enforce

  28. Re:seems to be common by photon317 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I agree. I've traveled all over the US (and abroad), and on average, Houston has more restaurants with better quality food (and a wider variety of cuisines) than just about anywhere in the US. If you love eating out, Houston is the place to live really.

    That being said, while there are a number of *great* sushi places in Houston with some really creative chefs making great preparations, the quality of the actual fish meat itself is noticeably superior in the SF Bay Area.

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  29. A subject I am actually an expert on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I work as a fish wholesaler. We deal mostly with restaurants but we do a few retail establishments too.
    The fish business is surprisingly crooked. With the Russian mafia controlling the caviar trade and various fly by night operations selling foul product that has been color treated to look new.Having a competent chef is vary important when dealing with fish quality. Labeling is a constant problem in the fishing industry even with the COOL act. Domestic red snapper is the worst of the lot when it comes to company's labeling poorly. Mainly because on a wholesale level the fish sells for 13.95-14.95 per pound fillet (regional price only), while tilapia is often sold at 6.95-7.95 per pound fillet. Other things that get sold as red snapper is red rock, corvina, lane snapper, ling snapper. (although ling is often not cheaper) It is so bad that the USDC stepped in and only 1 genus of fish can be sold as red snapper, 2 in California. The trick to buying red snapper is to only buy it skin on, preferably whole. If it is skin off fillet pass because it's almost impossible to identify then. Selling tilapia as tuna is retarded those two fish do not even taste similar although if the fish is drenched in soy sauce and wasabi it is difficult to tell even the widest of gaps in fish taste.

    Also since this is going to come up at one point. Scallops that are marked sea scallops or processed scallops ARE NOT skate or shark. These scallops are treated with tripolyphosphate so they soak up water. Dry pack scallops are not treated so they are a better quality scallop. It is very difficult to cut skate in such a way on an industrial level to make it look like a scallop especially when the yield from it would cut into profit and most chefs can tell the difference.

    And while I'm at it:
    Amberjack is not mahi
    Ahi meens tuna or yellowfin tuna. Saying ahi tuna is silly
    Ono and wahoo are the same god damn fish just buy the cheaper wahoo
    Langostino is from a squat lobster which isn't really a lobster but it still tastes good.

  30. DNA Barcoding by jannesha · · Score: 3, Informative

    Actually, this work was based on a really cool research project - to catalog all the species on the planet via a short, standardized region of their DNA.

    There's an online database, and much of the data is publicly available. (follow the "Published Projects" link to log in anonymously).

    They also provide a taxonomy browser which is a bit more fun to play with (there are pictures).

    Fish in fish markets is but the tip of the iceberg: customs officials can use this to halt the import/export of endangered and/or invasive species, it can lead to the discovery of new species, and help us to quantify biodiversity on the planet (and how quickly we're fscking it away)....

    --jjj

  31. What's this?!?!?! by WheelDweller · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Seven of nine samples that were called red snapper were mislabeled, and they turned out to be anything from Atlantic cod to Acadian redfish, an endangered species."

    OK, first:

    - No one said there'd be "Seven of Nine" Samples. Jeri Ryan would want to know this. (Well, it did SAY sushi...)
    - Red Snapper: I'm leaving that alone.

    Can you see how distracting this kinda labeling can be? :>

    Ask anyone with a penchant for sea food; "Crab meat" rarely is. And "Sardines"? They're a category of fish, not a species. Just passing the word.

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  32. Re:Watch out for the Mafia by terrymr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Amazing, the stuff you can learn here. Like Sea monkeys