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Wi-Fi, Now Available On the ISS

Grant Henninger writes "Rejoice! The next time you have an extra $20 million and decide to visit the International Space Station you won't need to leave the window to tell all your friends how cool it is. The ISS now has a new Wi-Fi network, so all you'll need to do is fire up Twitterrific and announce how much better you are than your Earth-based friends."

142 comments

  1. And we already know who is the ISP by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

    It has to be AT&T.

    Can't wait to see the bills on this one.

    1. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by phreakincool · · Score: 1

      Actually, its the new "at&t".

    2. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Informative

      Funny you should mention that.

      A /. article a few months ago found that sending a text message is about 4 times as expensive (per kilobyte) as retrieving data from the Hubble.

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    3. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by noidentity · · Score: 2, Funny

      And we already know who is the ISP. It has to be AT&T. Can't wait to see the bills on this one.

      Yeah, they'll find it's cheaper to send the data up on hard drives.

    4. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by Prof.Phreak · · Score: 3, Funny

      sending a text message is about 4 times as expensive (per kilobyte) as retrieving data from the Hubble.

      Well then... given it's tax dollars, they probably implemented the wifi link via text messages :-)

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    5. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Well it certainly will feel like it when you factor in the latency.

      Guy on ISS: Hey, what the heck? Why do I keep getting fragged before I even know it is coming!?! Ping time? Oh, let me check. One and a half seconds. Oh, I see. Local server, yes. Great idea. We'll have NASA send one up next time Soyuz docks....

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    6. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Yeah but at least you get local rate up there...

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    7. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, the latency between ISS and anywhere on earth should theoretically be no worse than roughly double the time it would take to make a trip halfway around the earth via fiber. Remember, geostationary satellites have latency issues because they're about 28,000 miles away from Earth. The ISS is only about 200 miles up... approximately the distance between Miami and Orlando, or Paris and London. The only reason I even factored in as much time as I did is the fact that ISS moves relative to the earth, so in order to avoid breaking TCP/IP and give it an apparent fixed IP route to the rest of the internet, all traffic to and from it would have to pass through a single network point somewhere (probably Houston), then be forwarded via fiber to an uplink somewhere within the ISS's line of sight at that moment. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the ISS's internet connectivity actually is implemented using more or less off the shelf cellular data technology (using NASA's frequencies, with higher-power transceivers spaced further apart, but the same general idea as CDMA or GPRS data). Then again, to cut costs, they might very well have implemented internet connectivity on the ISS by just adding two or three tracking dishes to it, and using the same satellites as VSAT internet, which WOULD subject them to the same drawbacks as terrestrial customers. God, can you imagine the headlines if ISS ended up getting FAP'ed?!? :D

    8. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by aperezbios · · Score: 1

      AT&T. Your World. Delivered. To Your World.

    9. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      other news from Africa at 11

    10. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      Well then... given it's tax dollars, they probably implemented the wifi link via text messages :-)

      I was personally hoping they were going to implement it via RFC 1149 (IP Over Avian Carrier)

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    11. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by starshining · · Score: 2, Informative

      The shuttle comm mostly goes through TDRS satellites which are in geosync. So it has the delays associated with that distance. Sometimes UHF or a ground-based S-band is used for a direct link but that is not a typical setup.

    12. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by starshining · · Score: 1

      oops, also true for ISS

    13. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by pecosdave · · Score: 2, Informative

      The shuttle uses the K/S band links a lot more, the station is almost exclusively TDRS.

      50 Mbps analog satellite modem

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    14. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ISP is called the "Space Network"... actually, the link from ISS runs through TDRSS, which is a set of Clarke orbit satellites. So, it's "station to TDRSS", "TDRSS to another TDRSS"(if on the wrong side of earth), "TDRSS to White Sands, NM", NISN fiber to Houston, Houston to Internet. None of the hops are IP packets, per se. More like a logical wire providing raw bits from station to White Sands.

      Shuttle uses a similar scheme.

      It is not modern. It was designed back at the end of Apollo, and has had upgrades, but the basic architecture hasn't changed much over the years.

      Both have significant latencies (enough to require Cisco to change their VoIP software so that it works on station and shuttle)

      Google tells all.

    15. Re:And we already know who is the ISP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which WOULD subject them to the same drawbacks as terrestrial customers.
      Not quite; remember that space-to-space-to-ground traffic only has to cross the ionosphere once, whereas ground-to-space-to-ground does it twice. If the lack of atmospheric distortions allows the ISS to see the geostationaries with much greater clarity, they could conceivably face far less latency and packetloss than satellite Internet receivers on the ground.

  2. Proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    That intelligent life has been found.

    Nothing would bum our new alien overlords more than finding out our space stations ain't WiFi compatible.

    1. Re:Proof by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

      ...Except the SSID being 'linksys'

      "We see you have a space station. It's very nice, but dude, we're not sharing the warp drive specs with you until you figure out WPA"

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  3. China? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now they won't have to smuggle viruses aboard on memory sticks... They can just point a dish at the ISS and jump on their network.

    1. Re:China? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hey, on the plus side it's pretty much the only thing available for wardrivers in the area.

  4. War-orbiting by Tyger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alright, who is going to be the first to start the new war-orbiting trend?

    I wonder if it is an unsecured wireless network. Does being far above anyone else who could access your wireless network count as security through obscurity?

    1. Re:War-orbiting by leviathan2k · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can imagine the chaps on SpaceShipTwo making a fly-by with a laptop, just for the sake of it.

    2. Re:War-orbiting by Cathoderoytube · · Score: 3, Funny

      I can only imagine. The ISS will get hit with a lawsuit by the RIAA because some freeloading college kids are accessing their network to download music.

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    3. Re:War-orbiting by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 2, Funny

      The very first thing I wondered after reading this was how many Pringles cans would turn skyward.

    4. Re:War-orbiting by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Well, considering that the WiFi distance record is at least 237 miles: http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/19/venezuelans-set-new-wifi-distance-record-237-miles/

      I would think firing a signal out of the atmosphere would give you better distance than parallel to the ground. If a previous poster was right that the ISS is only 200 miles up (sounds about right to me....) then a regular wireless card with a good dish antenna right here on earth should be able to connect tot he ISS wireless network if it's not encrypted. The only problem would really be keeping your dish properly tracking to the station while it moves overhead. But, considering some of the data that you'd probably be able to swipe if you were to connect to it, it would probably be worth it for some group of scumbags somewhere to try it.

      I hope they're not using WEP 64 with the phone number of the ISS for the encryption key.....

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    5. Re:War-orbiting by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Thats sorta what my neighbors and I do... if someone can connect to us, means they are on our property, and Florida has that nice castle doctrine law....

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  5. obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    did they even bother to secure it?

  6. It's a long distance for wifi! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ... Must be one hell of a cantenna.

  7. The real reason by sleeponthemic · · Score: 3, Funny

    Fresh pron. (That one tattered penthouse they were allowed to bring up is starting to fall apart).

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  8. So... by nightglider28 · · Score: 3, Funny

    New hobby: War-rocketing.

    1. Re:So... by PachmanP · · Score: 1

      Well not really. The lag would be a pretty intense, so the astronaut would have a decent excuse.

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    2. Re:So... by Mhtsos · · Score: 2, Funny

      Astronauts don't play WoW silly, they play Eve Online

  9. But is it WPA or WEP? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hope they are using WPA to secure the connection, you know, because WEP is pretty useless for security.

    1. Re:But is it WPA or WEP? by jrockway · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hope they are using WEP so I can get a free connection the next time I am launched into orbit.

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  10. Internet in space? by Vertana · · Score: 1

    internet pr0nz!!1!

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  11. Extra $20 million by bigtallmofo · · Score: 5, Funny

    The next time you have an extra $20 million...all you'll need to do is fire up Twitterrific and announce how much better you are than your Earth-based friends

    The next time I have an extra $20 million, I won't need Twitterific or even a visit to the ISS to let my friends know how much better I am than them. I'll hire people to follow my friends around town to let them know that fact on an hourly basis.

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    1. Re:Extra $20 million by maxume · · Score: 1

      You mean the people that you would be calling your friends.

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  12. Do they have an Internet connection? by d_jedi · · Score: 1

    It'd be neat if (ordinary) people could send messages to the astronauts on the station..

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    1. Re:Do they have an Internet connection? by PachmanP · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah but the 5 or 6 messages us earthbound folk would send would be drowned out in the noise of the millions of emails from a guy named Dick Strong telling them about ch3ap V1aGr4 and randome Nigerians.

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    2. Re:Do they have an Internet connection? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      you already can... get a ham license and a 2 meter radio and packet TNC.

      I send message to the astronauts on the ISS on a regular basis. you can leave a message in their TNC if they are not live chatting.

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    3. Re:Do they have an Internet connection? by 0x000000 · · Score: 1

      What kind of output power are you using? People have suggested that 25 watts should be enough depending on the day, but I would like some concrete evidence from people that have accomplished it!

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    4. Re:Do they have an Internet connection? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      I have used 5 watts when they went directly overhead, but typically I run 25-50 depending on the orbit and conditions.

      it's really easy to do, I even built my own AL/AZ rotor to track them using el-cheapo radioshack TV rotors.

      Here's a tip. Circular polarized antennas kicks the crap out of standard beams as they go overhead their polarization will change. If I use my circular beams I dont have polarization fade as they change relative to me.

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  13. Cantenna by BlackMesaLabs · · Score: 1

    Finally a use for my super-super-cantenna!

  14. New AT&T, same logo by davidwr · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's been 25 years and they are still using the same logo.

    You gotta admit though, it matches their corporate personality. They should've been using it all along.

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  15. What's the WEP key? by Trip6 · · Score: 1

    I just built my own high-gain WLAN antenna I want to try out...

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    1. Re:What's the WEP key? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

      No you didn't. If you had built your own high gain WLAN antenna, you would be asking for the WPA2 AES based key.

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  16. Certainly by cefek · · Score: 2, Funny

    And NO CARRIER would actually mean something now.

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  17. Previous article... by Samah · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one worried about this? Given this recent Slashdot story: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/27/1231224
    I certainly hope they cleaned up that laptop first.

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  18. NASA will probably cooperate by davidwr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You just know that NASA will probably cooperate with a stunt like this. Heck, they may even hold a contest for engineering students: "Who can be the first to ping our wifi network from a ground station and hold the signal from horizon to horizon?"

    Winning team gets a photo-op with NASA engineers, bragging rights, and job interviews when they graduate.

    Runners-up have to be content with $250 cash prize and a promise NASA will actually read their resumes.

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    1. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by amdpox · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think a Pringles cantenna is going to be sufficient here... anyone got a spare grain silo laying around?

    2. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, you might be wrong. As contests go, this would be fairly cool. There is some gear you can buy for telescopes that might do the trick. The ISS won't track across the sky in quite the same manner as a distant galaxy, but I'm sure it can be adapted to work. One cantenna might not be enough given the normal anomalies that plague people trying to communicate wirelessly through the atmosphere but then again, if you had several of them, spaced appropriately, all tracking the ISS you might be able to pull enough sig-2-noise to pull it off. I'm also reasonably certain that such arrays already exist, if configured slightly differently for different uses. It would be a good RF engineering project for colleges. 'more' is better, not bigger is better, in this case. I'd like to see this contest happen.

    3. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      gah, I hit post too soon. Try this link http://products.wi-fiplanet.com/wifi/antenna/1066050927.html [wi-fiplanet.com]... there are others

    4. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something new for SETI@home to do, breaking WIFI encryption.

    5. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok... let's see if I can get all this in one comment. I think that it's possible, but difficult. Stationary satellites use frequencies that high that we communicate with. Hams communicate with lower frequency satellites that are moving all the time. Because the ISS is moving and the frequency is relatively high, I believe that there would be a Doppler shift problem. There shouldn't be a power problem. You should be able to get 10 minutes of line-of-sight at a time with nothing to interfere in between. So... good luck with that. Let me know how it goes.

    6. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by dfjunior · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Wouldn't the skin of the ISS function as a Faraday Cage and severely limit transmission of the Wi-Fi signal?

    7. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by tcolberg · · Score: 2, Funny

      If they saw off one end of one of the ISS modules, they could make the largest cantenna ever!

    8. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by JunoonX · · Score: 1

      Your response made me think if the ISS is shielded in some way and the Wifi signal might just be limited to the internal station walls. Anyone know more details on if that is indeed the case?

    9. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      Hams communicate with lower frequency satellites that are moving all the time. Because the ISS is moving and the frequency is relatively high, I believe that there would be a Doppler shift problem.

      You're right. If you fire up gpredict, you'll see that all the satellites have a Doppler frequency expressed. This is the Doppler at 100MHz, so you need to multiply by f/100 to find the Doppler for the frequency you want to use. So, let's take a little example:

      Fuji-OSCAR 29 is currently east of me, and travelling towards the zenith (Orbit number 59550, 08:49Z if you're interested). Currently the Doppler is about 950Hz at 100MHz and dropping, but at the start of the pass it was closer to 2kHz. Now since I'm interested in the CW beacon on 435.795MHz, I'd need to multiply by 4.36, but since my radio tunes in 5kHz steps I may as well multiply by 5. I'd actually tune the radio to 435.800MHz if the Doppler was a little higher. Incidentally in the two minutes it took to write this paragraph, FO-29 has reached and passed zenith, and is now showing -200Hz Doppler!

      At 2.4GHz the Doppler shift would be a couple of MHz, probably outwith the tuning range of the wifi card. You could probably do something clever with software-defined radio, but bear in mind you'd need to sweep your transmit frequency so the wifi on the ISS could hear it. This might very well take you out of band, and you'd get a bollocking from your local radio enforcement authority (FCC in the US, OfCom in the UK).

      It's possible, but hard. Very hard.

    10. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by pecosdave · · Score: 2, Informative

      The ISS is definitely shielded, and believe it or not it's grounded, sort of. The ISS actually "grounds" itself by venting ionized gas, I don't remember the type of gas though. There was quite a bit mentioned about it when they had trouble deploying that one solar panel a few months back.

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    11. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by mwilliamson · · Score: 1

      Back when MIR was up, I connected to the ax25 BBS on-board several times with nothing more than an omni-directional antenna and about 5 watts. Granted, 144 mhz degrades a lot less than 2.4 ghz, but a good high-gain yagi, tracking software to aim the antenna, and some sort of doppler frequency compensation might just do the trick. I wonder if the A/P is wide open on the ISS? If so, hats off to the crew for providing me a target to totally kick ass in the next decon wi-fi shootout. :)

    12. Re:NASA will probably cooperate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that people have been bouncing packets through the ISS for years now using minimal equipment:

      http://eng.usna.navy.mil/~bruninga/iss-aprs/isscalls.txt

      The world is full of decent high-gain S band antennas and arrays if you look for them. I had an 8 ft TVRO dish converted to alt-azimuth with an S Band patch feed for AO-40 at one point. Grabbing 802.11 packets from the ISS with that probably wouldn't have been too hard if I could slew it fast enough, but that is more of a mechanical engineering problem than an RF one! And I'm just some guy who had some spare time and a few good books. The dish was even free!

      Sorry for AC, I usually just lurk.

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  19. I wonder... by wilbury · · Score: 0

    Whether they have an on-line Internet, or its copy (the whole 'net on 24395432985 DVDs), or only the Internet without porn and mp3 (2 DVDs) :-D

  20. No mention of internet connectivity by Workaphobia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is nothing inherent in the phrase Wi-Fi that mandates that a network is Internet-connected. Indeed, nothing in the "article" suggests any access to the Internet from the station. This appears to just be an extension of their existing LAN.

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    1. Re:No mention of internet connectivity by starshining · · Score: 2, Informative

      correct no internet on board and this is just an upgrade to the existing setup

    2. Re:No mention of internet connectivity by rantingkitten · · Score: 1

      Just to be pedantic, there's nothing in the phrase "wi-fi", or "wireless fidelity", that really means anything at all. "Fidelity" is another word for "accuracy", so when we say something is low-fidelity or high-fidelity, we're referring to how accurately it reflects the original signal, and it has nothing to do with the means by which the signal is transmitted. "Wireless fidelity" is a phrase utterly devoid of meaning, so if you're going to bother bickering about it, you can start by doing what you can to eliminate that worthless phrase from the collective vocabulary.

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    3. Re:No mention of internet connectivity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wi-Fi is a trademark. It stands for what the owners say it does and that's not "wireless fidelity".

  21. If I may suggest... by denzacar · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...a slight upgrade to your plan?

    Hire SUPERMODELS instead of mere "people".
    You can thank me for this small and yet brilliant upgrade by paying me a small sum of US$ 181829.

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    1. Re:If I may suggest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, I would say that he should hire mere people for his friends and hire supermodels to follow HIM around and tell everyone how much better he is.

    2. Re:If I may suggest... by darkonc · · Score: 1

      Hire SUPERMODELS instead of mere "people".

      Hell, no. The whole point is to annoy them. I don't care what she's teasing me about... If you pay a supermodel to follow me around 24/7 I'm gonna be calling you up to thank you.

      Of course, I'll be walking around backwards, walking into lightposts and getting run over by cars, but I'll be happy the whole time.

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    3. Re:If I may suggest... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Just a question, but.....

      Why would you be so happy with anorexic women with no chest or shape that frequently have anger problems and throw cellphones at airline attendants following you around?

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    4. Re:If I may suggest... by NotBornYesterday · · Score: 1

      If all his friends do is hang out in their parents' basement while posting on /. there's not going to be a lot for that supermodel to do all day.

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    5. Re:If I may suggest... by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

      Because they are hot.

      Next question?

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    6. Re:If I may suggest... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Ok....to each his own, I guess.

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  22. Shit! by martinw89 · · Score: 1

    This only means they will get more viruses!

    1. Re:Shit! by willyhill · · Score: 3, Funny

      Alternatively, it also means they're not running Ubuntu... since they got wireless capabilities... /thanksi'llbehereallweektrytheveal

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  23. Hope its encrypted.... by thecheatah · · Score: 1

    Don't want the neighbors stealing our bw!

  24. Network Stumbler by DeadBugs · · Score: 5, Funny

    That would explain why every 90 minutes or so "ISS" pops up on my available networks and then promptly disappears.

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    1. Re:Network Stumbler by spaceman375 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Can I borrow your antenna?

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    2. Re:Network Stumbler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parent post is a prime example of the need for a +6 score.

  25. But you will have to speak Russian by bornwaysouth · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought there are fears that once the Shuttles no longer service the ISS in 2010, then access to the ISS will be limited to nations that can say "Da, you can have Georgia" in Russian.

    So your friends will have to accept you talking through a Russian interpreter. This may well improve the conversation. I mean, how often can you say 'The earth is a blue and white ball' without getting boring. Whereas, a mistranslation such as 'Why on earth are your balls blue and white?' will at least help.

    1. Re:But you will have to speak Russian by maxume · · Score: 1

      Of course, all of the tourists to date have gone up on Russian launches, so nothing will have changed.

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    2. Re:But you will have to speak Russian by tftp · · Score: 2, Informative

      A Russian equivalent of "ball" would be "shar" which means spheroid, or a football / tennis ball, and nothing else. Plural of this word is equally harmless. To get to the ball(2) that was assumed in your mistranslation you'd have to translate "egg".

    3. Re:But you will have to speak Russian by bornwaysouth · · Score: 1

      Thanks, comrade. I would never say the Earth looks like a blue and white egg. The next step would be to scan nearby space for Great A'Tuin. If one had the sheer bad luck to see the turtle, it would almost certainly be classified as a Russian State Secret, and you would never be seen again.

    4. Re:But you will have to speak Russian by OneMadMuppet · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, what's considered "blue" in the West is seen as 2 distinct colours in Russia. I guess that means it takes twice as long for Russian's to get bored?

  26. Is it free? by snikulin · · Score: 5, Funny

    My 20 mil contract does not say anything about WiFi. Should I buy a cup of coffee to use it?

    1. Re:Is it free? by darkonc · · Score: 1

      Yep. And they'll charge you $25,000 to ship the coffee to the ISS.

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  27. wifi network ~= internet connection by catmistake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    contrary to what the summary suggests, wifi doesn't mean internet connection.

  28. no carrier by floatingrunner · · Score: 1, Funny

    in space, no one can hear you... ahh. forget it

  29. Sounds pretty cool but... by __aailob1448 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shouldn't they have fiber by now?

    That's what they get for trusting the U.S telcos to deliver.

    1. Re:Sounds pretty cool but... by Maelwryth · · Score: 1

      Can you imagine the furor if it was provided by the Australian government?

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    2. Re:Sounds pretty cool but... by darkonc · · Score: 1
      Nah. FTTS (Fiber To The Satellite) would have most of the engineering problems associated with a Space elevator, plus issues associated with the ISS's low orbit (and, thus, high speed relative to the ground).

      Shouldn't they have fiber by now?

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    3. Re:Sounds pretty cool but... by Thelasko · · Score: 2, Funny

      Shouldn't they have fiber by now?

      Fiber? With the space station's plumbing? That sounds like a horrible idea.

      Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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  30. Proctor & Gamble + NASA = WIN! by tonytnnt · · Score: 1

    Finally! The ISS is available to everyone with a Pringles can and a pigtail!

  31. Hmm, it'd be a stretch...but might be doable. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It looks like it might actually be possible to connect to ISS wifi from earth. The ISS is around 350km above the surface, and current records for surface to surface links are a little bit larger than that.

    The surface to surface number is for two custom endpoints, not one standard, one custom, doesn't have to deal with the ionosphere, and was between two stationary locations; but it suggests that the challenge isn't insurmountable. A radio astronomer could probably eat this one for breakfast.

    1. Re:Hmm, it'd be a stretch...but might be doable. by etinin · · Score: 0

      Well, you forget that the station orbit is quite quick and by the time you lock on their signal, they'll probly be above the other side of the planet.

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    2. Re:Hmm, it'd be a stretch...but might be doable. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      The ISS does 15.77 orbits per day, says wikipedia. A day is 24 hours or 86,400 seconds, so one ISS orbit is ~5480 seconds. If the ISS is visible from a given ground station for 25% of its orbit(a pessimistic estimate for a reasonably sited station), then one has ~ 1370 seconds, or just under 23 minutes to establish a lock during each orbit.

      Keeping a directional antenna focused on such a target would not be trivial but, particularly as the ISS follows a predictable trajectory, it'd be the kind of nontrivial than engineers do all the time.

      The ISS is no geostationary comms satellite; but its orbital period is easily long enough to lock quite modestly engineered equipment onto.

    3. Re:Hmm, it'd be a stretch...but might be doable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in the day, I sent email to Mir via their VHF packet radio. It's easy to receive a signal from them. The tricky part was send a signal, because there is so much competition. My solution was to transmit from Hawai'i. I used an omni antenna with a 35 watt RF amp.

    4. Re:Hmm, it'd be a stretch...but might be doable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops, forgot to take earth's rotation into account. Depending on whether the ISS orbits with or against the earth's rotation, the time visible from the groundsite would be a little longer or shorter. My math is wrong, but not by enough to throw off my general conclusion.

    5. Re:Hmm, it'd be a stretch...but might be doable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the chance they installed the antenna outside instead of inside the big billion dollar anchovies can way up in orbit?

      Its gotta be like a microwave oven in there already, when are they installing a cell tower? Space tourists are paying enough not to get "no signal"

    6. Re:Hmm, it'd be a stretch...but might be doable. by niteshifter · · Score: 1

      Tracking the ISS is doable. And while we're in the interesting hard-hacks arena: The ISS moves along at quite a clip. There's going to be a nice Doppler shift to contend with.

  32. Wired satellites? by Attila+the+Bun · · Score: 2, Funny

    I had assumed the ISS was wireless already...

  33. Netgear's new ad campaign... by Newer+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Netgear wireless routers-they're out of this world!

    1. Re:Netgear's new ad campaign... by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Netgear wireless routers-they're out of this world!

      I noticed that in the story as well. Then I thought "you can't even buy advertising like that" - until I figured they probably did buy their spot on the ISS.

      Either way, very keen placement of their name in the article.

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  34. Contact via Ham Radio by ireallylovelinux · · Score: 0

    I'll ask them about it next time they passover with my amateur radio rig. W9BJH

  35. SuperRangeMax? by tonytnnt · · Score: 1

    Anybody know the operable range of an 802.11g signal in space?

    1. Re:SuperRangeMax? by VanderJagt · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I'd guess it would be very bad "out of the box". doubling the distance would cut the signal by 1/8 (I believe), while on earth it would only cut it by 1/4 by riding more along the ground. there would be less wi-fi noise, and the kinds of noise you usually -do- get in space are so different from 2.4GHz that it would be trivial to filter it out, so I would assume that the limits would only be the amount of focusing, the sensitivity of the electronics, and the actual timeout interval...

  36. Safe place for p2p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PirateBay is about to move in.

  37. About time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great news! That means I don't have to use my cantenna anymore!
    All that calculating and nanometer-scale positioning it to where my house and router was for those few seconds gets on your nerves after a while..

  38. So... by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

    So does this mean that I can actually frag an astronaut in a FPS? Or pwn them in WoW? Wouldn't that give you bragging rights...

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  39. In related news.... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... the next supply shipment on the Soyuz will include Pringles

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  40. Hams regularly talk with the ISS.... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    , which hosts an onboard amateur station using the callsign NA1SS:

    http://www.arrl.org/ARISS/

    Many of the astronauts have ham radio licenses.

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  41. How are the pings? by antdude · · Score: 1

    Can we play Quake on ISS' Internet?

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  42. First Message by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    To: Gfnnrzx
    From: Plftspnk
    Subject: New WiFi Hot Spot

    Hey dude! I was cruising thru the wasteland in my saucer and I found this great open hot spot. Its right near that crazy pile of junk orbiting planet Irth. Just pull up behind them, so they won't see your ship and you can log your laptop onto the Irth Internet and download lots of cool homosapien p0rn. Also, log onto this site called Slashdot and post something about welcoming alien overlords. They'll get a kick out of it.

    Later, dude.

    P.S.: What's a lap, anyway?

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    1. Re:First Message by Kjella · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure, why not. It was established already in Independence Day that aliens use IPv4, so they should just be able to hook right up.

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    2. Re:First Message by slimjim8094 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damnit, we're running out fast enough as it is!

      TEH ALIENS ARE GONNA STEAL ALL OUR ADDRESSSPACE!!! /doomsday

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    3. Re:First Message by takev · · Score: 1

      Of course, this has always been the real reason for moving to IPv6.

    4. Re:First Message by Mhtsos · · Score: 1

      Damnit, we're running out fast enough as it is!

      TEH ALIENS ARE GONNA STEAL ALL OUR ADDRESSSPACE!!! /doomsday

      All your address space are belong to us!

    5. Re:First Message by Kjella · · Score: 1

      TEH ALIENS ARE GONNA STEAL ALL OUR ADDRESSSPACE!!! /doomsday

      Of course not... they're using NAT to hide their numbers as they prepare the invasion. /tinfoil

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  43. well... by onionlee · · Score: 1

    seems that it would be hard if it were wired... >_>

  44. Space pranks by iMySti · · Score: 1

    Some ISS jokester is gonna connect to someone down on Earth and start speaking in clicks and gurgs. CONTACT!

  45. Practical use? by FrostDust · · Score: 1

    It seems to me this was installed so astronauts could enter data/comminucate from anywhere, but my question is, why would they have that need? The ISS is not that a dynamic environment; the labs, command center, bunks, etc. don't change that often.

    Any info that would have to be quickly communicated from an arbitrary point on the station ("Oh no, a random piece of equipment is failing!") doesn't seem like the type that is complex enough to require entry into a computer. And any complex data that needed digital storage, like mentioned above, would probably occur in areas already wired for network access, or isn't time-critical enough that it couldn't be uploaded later.

    Beyond allowing astronauts to blog/webconference from anywhere they wish, it seems that this "improvement" isn't exactly all that beneficial.

    1. Re:Practical use? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Weight? I realize that these may not be COTS hardware, but comparing USB wifi to ethernet cable, the former is far less. Wifi connections between modules in the future? Also might save on wall space to be able to have a mobile laptop rather than fixed terminal everywhere you might need one.

    2. Re:Practical use? by darkonc · · Score: 1
      The station layout may be fixed, but the astronauts move around. Having an ethernet cord on your laptop that you have to plug in every time you move to another (part of the) module could easily be annoying. In space, you'll also have the added annoyance of the cable coiling in unexpected configurations.

      Also... you don't have to worry about the neighbors jacking into your wifi connection unless they have their radio-telescope (in which case, they can probably afford their own cable (or even microwave) connection).

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  46. Get the ISS flight plan by carboncopy79 · · Score: 2, Funny

    For those who are really serious about (or nuts enough) trying to pick up ISS wifi signal.

    Check out when ISS will appear over your head using heaves-above.com

    Enter your coordinates and it will let you know exactly when and where it will appear over your horizon.

    1. Re:Get the ISS flight plan by plover · · Score: 1

      I don't know if your link to "Heaves-Above" was a typo, Freudian slip, or an intentional joke, but I like it a lot!

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    2. Re:Get the ISS flight plan by xquercus · · Score: 1

      This would be an interesting project. Don't forget to factor in Doppler shift which is not insignificant at 2.4GHz.

  47. But the real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is it secured? We certainly do not want any alien species leeching our bandwidth.

  48. Texting by astarf · · Score: 1

    And yet, the cost of sending all that data back to Earth is still probably cheaper than what my phone company charges for text messaging.

  49. In Space, no one can hear you blog. by xous · · Score: 1

    In Space, no one can hear you blog.

  50. iPwned. by Roskolnikov · · Score: 1

    so which cell carrier is going to be the first to send a microcell up?
    This also means that iphone and ipod touch can now purchase music and apps from Itunes in orbit, wonder who gets dibs on that one....

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  51. "all you'll need to do is fire up Twitterrific" by bigplrbear · · Score: 1

    In space, nobody can hear you tweet

  52. Ham radio licensing is erosion of liberty. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now don't any of you slashtards use "orderly communications" as a reason for jack-booted thugs to knock your door down and force freedom of speech through the barrel of a gun.

    Communications is initiated by custom. And if everyone wants to be Smokey or Boulevard Bob *honk *honk then don't talk to them is all I have to say. Every Ham operator I have seen is nothing more than a tyrant of opinions that "believes" and "shoulds" on everyone's shoulder as though he were a diplomat from Hell itself.

    Licensing is libel.

  53. Re: unusual finding. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To: Plftspnk
    From: Gfnnrzx
    Subject: Earth porn

    When did they started calling the 21-fingered Irthlings "male" and the pouched Irthlings "female." Also, why are the Irthlings *physically* trying to create hybrid caanid, hybrid equine, and hybrid icthyos? Should we consult our overlords of Chyna, the greys, to allow this? Get back to me.

  54. Essid by jbailey999 · · Score: 1

    Just remember to load kismet onto the laptop first. The essid is probably hidden, and the person who knows it isn't due back for 6 months...

  55. Just what we need by neoform · · Score: 2, Funny

    Aliens leeching on all the torrents.

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  56. HG Wells had it almost right... by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    Sure, why not. It was established already in Independence Day that aliens use IPv4, so they should just be able to hook right up.

    ...but Independence Day also established that aliens are vulnerable to earthly computer viruses, so 10 seconds later, they would be pwn3d, after all man's devices had failed, by the humblest devices that script kiddies had, in their stupidity, put upon teh interweb.

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  57. So that explains that new LINKSYS SSID by The+Other+White+Meat · · Score: 1

    I kept seeing a new LINKSYS SSID popping up for about 5 of every 90 minutes. Thanks for the explanation.

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  58. APs on ISS is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen NASA footage from several years ago of various locations on the ISS where you can clearly see APs (complete with little antennas sticking out) labled as such.