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YouTube Reposts Anti-Scientology Videos

Ian Lamont writes "YouTube has reposted anti-Scientology videos and reinstated suspended YouTube accounts after receiving thousands of apparently bogus DCMA take-down notices. Four thousand notices were sent to YouTube last Thursday and Friday by American Rights Counsel, LLC. After YouTube users responded with counter-notices, many of the videos were reposted. It turns out that the American Rights Counsel had no copyright claim on the videos, and the group may not even exist, although the text of the DCMA notices have been linked to a Wikipedia editor. While filing a false DMCA notice is a criminal offense, prosecution in these cases rarely comes about."

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  1. Should be worth pressing charges. by jcr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This isn't one count, it's about four thousand counts of fraud. I'm sure that complying with the takedown notices cost Google a non-trivial amount of money, too.

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    1. Re:Should be worth pressing charges. by IP_Troll · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I believe the most fitting punishment would be to revoke all Scientology related copyrights.

      This is an arguable criminal case and a criminal prosecution would be a waste of time. It is going to be near impossible to prove anything beyond a reasonable doubt.

      It is, however, a clear abuse of rights granted by the copyright law. The fitting punishment is revocation of those rights.


      Please save the nitpicking arguments about if there is such thing as copyright "rights", that is beside the point. If a child can't be trusted with privileges, you take those privileges away.

    2. Re:Should be worth pressing charges. by initdeep · · Score: 5, Interesting

      revoking the copyrights would be moronic.

      if that's all it took, then people would start posting fake notices (ie committing fraud) for the groups they OPPOSE, thus preventing the legitimate copyright holder from keeping their copyright.

      punish the criminal.
      in this case that is whoever sent the notices.

    3. Re:Should be worth pressing charges. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. It might be economically worth their time for Google to set the precedent that bogus DMCA notices en masse will lead to a lawsuit, so that they can limit the number of staff they'll have to hire to handle requests.

    4. Re:Should be worth pressing charges. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A DMCA take-down notice contains a sword statement that you are acting on behalf of the copyright owner. This means that it would be perjury to file a fake take-down notice, and also means that there's a strict audit trail pointing back to whoever authorised the take-down.

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    5. Re:Should be worth pressing charges. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 5, Informative

      A DMCA take-down notice includes a sworn statement indicating that you are acting on behalf of the copyright holder. If they were sent by someone else then this is a case of perjury, and since they were sent by a law firm there should be a simple trail to identify the responsible party. Unless they were sent by someone pretending to be a lawyer, in which case that's two illegal actions.

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    6. Re:Should be worth pressing charges. by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

      A DMCA take-down notice contains a sword statement

      En garde!

  2. Re:Racial Bigotry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Xenu? DC10s? Thetans?

    Wait, you mean the crap they showed on South Park was really was these people believe?!

  3. Re:Racial Bigotry by Da+Fokka · · Score: 5, Funny

    To be completely fair, they were DC-8s.

  4. Isn't it also illegal by S7urm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not just to file fraudulant DMCA notices, but also to do so in the name of a Business that doesn't exist? I'd think someone, somewhere would want to take this opportunity to finally push back and sue for false allegations filed by a fradulant company in the name of an entity that was not part of the original notice. Might make a statement, (especially from YouTube) that we won't simply allow people to negligently file take down notices on material they don't even own the copyright to.

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  5. Interesting case of censorship by megamerican · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Earlier this year radio talk show host Michael Reagan called for the murder of Mark Dice live on air. Mark Dice uploaded a 3 minute clip of the death threat to youtube. Reagan's lawyers filed a DMCA claim on the clip, youtube took down Mark Dice's entire channel which had a lot of original content and over a million views. Dice tried to counter claim but youtube did NOT reinstate his channel. Dice had to make a new channel and upload his content back.

    The FBI or police would not charge Reagan for his death threats and Reagan is still on the air.

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    1. Re:Interesting case of censorship by LWATCDR · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While calling for this guys death is over the top and uncalled for, Mark Dice is a to be kind not the nicest of people.
      And I am a go to church every Sunday kind of guy. He is way far to the right by my standards.

        "Dice founded an organization,[1] variously called The Resistance,[2] The Christian Resistance or The Resistance for Christ, which espouses fundamentalist Christianity and professes conspiratorial beliefs about the Roman Catholic Church,[3] the Illuminati, freemasons, Skull and Bones, Bohemian Grove, the 9/11 attacks and Satanism, and which has been reported to "flood the airwaves of call-in radio and television shows"[4] to promote them. His 450 page book, The Resistance Manifesto details these beliefs.

      Dice's activities have been covered by national media outlets. His focus is primarily on political activism, culture jamming, boycotts, and pop culture criticism.

      He has called for the Georgia Guidestones to be removed from public property,[4][5] protested a Jessica Simpson music video,[1] called for a boycott of the VeriChip,[1][6] called for Duke University to change the name of its sports team (the Blue Devils),[7] called for rapper 50 Cent to stop wearing a cross,[8] and claimed that Scientology is a satanic cult.[9]

      He recently launched a boycott against Starbucks, calling the company "Slutbucks", after featuring a logo of a topless mermaid-type figure.[10][11] He also endorsed Ron Paul's candidacy for president in 2008.

      Dice is featured in Alex Jones' film The 9/11 Chronicles, which documents the activities of the 9/11 truth movement."

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  6. Re:Racial Bigotry by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yea, DC-10s just makes no sense at all!

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  7. Re:First? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow! I am behind on my Ubuntu distro then. I am still on the J's.

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  8. Re:Racial Bigotry by ThatGuyJon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes. Did you miss the big scrolling letters running across the screen?
    The odd thing about Scientology is although that is what they believe, Scientologists are only told it after they have spent an awful lot of time and money on Scientology.

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  9. This is why the prosecution monopoly is bad by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While filing a false DMCA notice is a criminal offense, prosecution in these cases rarely comes about."

    Anyone should be able to bring evidence to a judge, and bring charges against someone in a felony or serious misdemeanor case. If someone shuts down your YouTube account via false DMCA notices, and a US Attorney won't take it, you should be able to hire your own prosecutor to press charges against the individual.

    You know one major reason why this would be hard as hell to get passed? Because if it were passed it would not only pressure legislatures to write better, more consistent legal codes, but it would allow for pesky things like drug cops in cases like Kathryn Johnston's shooting death to be tried for manslaughter, perjury in securing the warrant and criminal negligence leading to injury or death.

  10. Mission Accomplished by rekoil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They now have the names and addresses of the posters who responsed with DMCA counter-notices, and those individuals are now free to be "fair-gamed".

  11. Re:Southpark's Scientology Video by schlick · · Score: 5, Informative
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  12. Re:What's with the scientology hatred? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you're an old usenet geek, you have plenty of reason to hate them. If you're an old slashdot geek, you also have plenty of reason to hate them. If you're a YouTube user, you also have plenty of reason to hate them. I'd wager that large parts of /. fall into all three categories.

    There's been no large, concentrated legal attack on internet freedom from the other religions, to my knowledge, so I feel Scientology is rightfully getting attacked. If you also take the threats of violence, the stalking by PIs, the systematic exploitation of their own members and everything else into account, then it's an even easier choice.

    Also of note is that Scientology is just as hateful towards gays as the Big Three religions, so I'm not sure where you're going with that.

  13. Re:E-meter videos? by smolloy · · Score: 5, Informative

    An e-meter isn't a voltmeter, it's a potentiometer (it measures resistance not voltage). It's based on a Wheatstone bridge design, and is a very sensitive way to measure the resistance between the probes. Since hydration levels, stress, sweat, etc., can all change the resistivity of human skin, an e-meter will measure these changes, which can then be (fraudulently) be interpreted as being of religious significance.

    It's nothing more than a half-assed lie-detector.

  14. Outed? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I wonder if it has occurred to anyone else that this is actually an attempt by the Scientologists to get names and addresses of the people who uploaded the content? Scientology is well known to harass such people, who understandably tend to want to stay anonymous.

    But now, anyone who filed a counter-response to the Take Down is "outed" on documents that Scientology can subpoena.

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  15. Well, it's as legitimate as my religion by davidwr · · Score: 5, Funny

    May you be touched by His Noodley Appendage.

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  16. Re:E-meter videos? by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's nothing more than a half-assed lie-detector.

    And since lie-detectors themselves are no more than a half-assed lie-detectors, I'm curious as to exactly what fraction of an ass an e-meter has...

  17. What's Scientology? by King+Gabey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Funny, I never would have viewed any of those anti-scientology clips if it weren't for these bogus take-down notices...

  18. Re:Racial Bigotry by Rumagent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, because a zombie born by a virgin and fathered by sky-guy is sane.