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Researchers Find Racial Bias In Virtual Worlds

schliz writes "Real-world behaviours and racial biases could carry forward into virtual worlds such as Second Life, social psychologists say. According to a study that was conducted in There.com, virtual world avatars respond to social cues in the same ways that people do in the real world. Users, who were unaware that they were part of a psychological study, were approached by a researcher's avatar for either a 'foot-in-the-door' (FITD) or 'door-in-the-face' (DITF) experiment. While results of the FITD experiment revealed no racial bias, the effect of the DITF technique was significantly reduced when the experimenter took the form of a dark-skinned avatar."

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  1. RACIST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You're just saying that because I'm blue...

    1. Re:RACIST! by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, no.
      Driving the Indy car around was the give-away you're a racist.

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    2. Re:RACIST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're just saying that because I'm blue...

      You think that's bad... The jerk down the street who is half black, half white thinks he's all that. Here is a picture of him (on the left, me on the right). Look at that smug expression. What a prick. Just like the rest of his kind.

      Everyone knows that my people, those of us who are half white, half black are the superior ones!

    3. Re:RACIST! by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "You know when it comes to racism, people say: " I don't care if they're black, white, purple or green"... Ooh hold on now: Purple or Green? You gotta draw the line somewhere! To hell with purple people! - Unless they're suffocating - then help'em." - Mitch Hedberg

    4. Re:RACIST! by mikiN · · Score: 5, Funny

      Me stereo beat you stereo anytime! Me have latest JVC with latest amp, 800 Watts max. beat you puny GE hands down! I rig up my EQ lights to supa dupa neon and blinkers, see? 6" woofers in my tailpipes, add 10 horsepower easy! Wanna race? Honda Type R rulezzz!

      s/r/l/g

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    5. Re:RACIST! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I had made a blue female character in Second Life. She was blue, but she had a beautiful body. If racism includes every guy (and most of the women) that saw her offering sex, yes, racism is present.

          When I made a white male character in the same game, he didn't get the same attention.

          Then I changed the blue female character to a pale white female character. The result was just about the same.

          My conclusion. Guys want to have sexual relations with hot women, regardless of their color.

  2. FITD vs DITF by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I had never heard of the Foot-In-The-Door experiment or Door-In-The-Face experiments before reading the article. Turns out they are actually very interesting and clever experiments which reveal behavioral tendencies the explanation of which is plausably related to how a person sees themselves (in the FITD case) or how they see others (in the DITF case).

    In a nutshell, if someone makes a small request of you that you are likely to agree to, then you will be more likely to agree to a second, larger request, because you will have seen yourself as being helpful in complying with the first request and want to continue being helpful by complying with the second request.

    And, if someone makes a large request of you, a request so onerous that most people would not accept it, then you will be more likely to agree to a smaller second request, to a greater extent than you would have had you not been asked the first, more onerous request. The explanation for this is that you are trying to reciprocate on the asker's reducing the size of their request by increasing your willingness to respond to a request beyond what your base level would otherwise be. It's a kind of a subconscious negotiation process that you are engaging in with someone else, basically meeting them halfway.

    However, this second scenario is affected by how worthy you subconsciously believe that the other person is of this kind of negotiation (the first scenario is not because your response is affected by how you see yourself, not how you see the asker). And apparently, if you perceive the other person as being unworthy of this kind of negotiation, then you are less likely to meet them halfway and agree to the second request.

    OK, so, this article basically says that darker-skinned avatars in virtual worlds essentially are less likely to be met halfway, ostensibly because, on average, they are perceived as being less important than lighter-skinned avatars.

    I don't think it should come as a surprise to anyone that people's racial biases are carried through to a virtual world from the real world. So in a sense, this whole article, aside from being informative about some interesting psychological tests and their results, is kind of one big 'no duh'.

    What would be really interesting to know is if, in these situations, there is a greater degree of this kind of bias in one race or socioeconomic class than another, or if it's universal.

    Also, I would just like to point out that racial bias does not necessarily mean racism. I personally believe that racial bias is a natural part of the human psyche, and as long as it is recognized, and understood, and does not adversely disadvantage any particular group of people, should be accepted. But that's just me.

    1. Re:FITD vs DITF by Daimanta · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "Also, I would just like to point out that racial bias does not necessarily mean racism. I personally believe that racial bias is a natural part of the human psyche, and as long as it is recognized, and understood, and does not adversely disadvantage any particular group of people, should be accepted. But that's just me."

      Well, it looks like you defined racism very properly. Being biased based on the color of skin is being racist. I do not judge about it, just saying that it is.

      "I'm not racist, I'm racially biased!" is something most people would laugh at.

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    2. Re:FITD vs DITF by Gerzel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most people would laugh at a lot of things that when thought about are true. People laughing is not a good test for truth, veracity, or factuality in nearly all cases.

      The term 'racist" carries with it strong connotations of ignorance and bigotry, and it is unfair to call someone who it honestly attempting to be fair and equal with all people regardless of race racist if they still possess some small racial bias outside a strictly academic field.

    3. Re:FITD vs DITF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you dropped two people without any knowledge of how the world currently works in a room together

      And since when is total isolation natural? Humans evolved in tribes. We've a whole bunch of routines hard-coded in our brains to distinguish between 'kin' and 'other'. A different skin colour is a massive red flag.

    4. Re:FITD vs DITF by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Back in the day I used a simple method of getting into clubs without challenge.
      I wore black.
      In the same style as the bouncers.

      The basis: Since I was dressed the same as the bouncers they were more inclined to treat me in a positive way.
      And it worked.
      very very well.
      When I didn't wear black I tended to be challenged much more etc.

      Now people are hardwired to act like this. Someone who dresses the same, acts the same looks the same is more likely to be trusted than someone who looks or acts in a very different manner.
      It's tribalism. Wanna bet you're immune?

      As far as I'm concerned skin colour is no more important than hair colour.(damn dirty gingers!)Is reacting more positively to someone with brown hair than to someone with blond hair racist?

    5. Re:FITD vs DITF by William+Robinson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can't agree with you more.

      Racism acts like a poison for mind and children are basically free from it before they get to know about it from others/elders. I know it, because, I had been poisoned, and I had to work hard to get rid of it. I started mixing with that community and started seeing the positive side of their culture. And that helped me survive happily while living in many different countries.

    6. Re:FITD vs DITF by Dun+Malg · · Score: 4, Informative

      See, what you're missing is that people have no natural racism per se, but rather we have a natural tendency towards "group identity". In a biological sense, human history hasn't been some happy fairy tale where we all just get along as one groovy family. Our natural tendency is towards supporting our own familial group or tribe. Physical traits are simply one way of telling "us from them". Language is another. So yeah, when you put two people together in a room, the only "us" will be the two of them, so there'll be a tendency towards inclusiveness.

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    7. Re:FITD vs DITF by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Interesting though that I can say "I only find women with black hair attractive"
      and nobody will blink.
      If I however say "I only find women with black/white skin attractive"
      Suddenly I'm a flavour of racist.

      Hell I could probably get away with including "applicants must have black hair" on a job ad and get away with it.

      they're both nothing more than pigments but if you use one to make a descision about people then you're a dirty racist.

      Down with Hairism!

    8. Re:FITD vs DITF by Daimanta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Guess what, that's totally true.

      It's just that it doesn't play a major role in society that nobody cares about it. The only thing I can think of is people with ginger hair. Those people are called lighthouses as a derogatory word where I live.

      It's just as crappy as racism.

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    9. Re:FITD vs DITF by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, we all have many cognitive biases, such as sample bias and so forth. Of the socially learned biases, racial bias is the most widespread of all, so all things being equal one can assume that one carries at least a bit of it.

      I think, however, that being a racist has to do with how you rationalize your biases.

      Suppose you don't like somebody who happens to be green skinned, and somebody puts the race card on the table. I think virtually everybody would, at least initially, deny race has anything to do with it. It seems that we can consider a range of responses:

      (1) Maybe I am being racist. Let me think about it.

      (2) No, I don't like him because he doesn't listen and he interrupts.

      (3) He is disrespectful.

      (4) Green people are ignorant; they should keep their mouths shut unless spoken to.

      Response 3 is right on the cusp of racism. It's not necessarily different from 2, it's just the point where you go from specifics about behavior to generalizations about the person. Those generalizations can be drawn from two sources: the behavior of the individual, and stereotypes about the race. If you are drawing your generalization from 2 it is not racist; if you are drawing your generalization from 3 it is.

      In a society where racism is strongly frowned upon, it's not always obvious when somebody is drawing a characterization from a stereotype and when he is drawing it from an individual's behavior. In fact, you can do both, since people are very skillful at seeing what they expect to see.

      That's what makes racial bias insidious when we draw conclusions about people's general character. It is possible to be unconsciously racist. But it's also generally wiser in all instances to avoid generalizations about a person if it is not strictly necessary. Racism is only one kind of bias.

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    10. Re:FITD vs DITF by Alistar · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So you shouldn't have to dye the colour of yoru skin, but it's okay to dye the colour of your hair to be more acceptable.

      That's a double standard. Heck, in the winter, with a scarf and earmuffs the hair colour of a person is fair noticable than their skin colour.

      Frankly, if I find a certain skin colour more attractive than other when seeking a mate, that is my personal perogative and that is not racism. I agree with the original parent. Racial bis is different than racism. I am Caucasian, maybe I find Asian or Aboriginal women more attractive than caucasuian women, am I racist against Caucasians? (Or is that all right because I'm not playign favourites to my own)?

      The same is true for hair, if I find black hair more attractive than blond hair and actively try to avoid relationships with blondes that's not malicious. If I am avoiding a relationship with blondes because they are portrayed as stupid, that is bigotry and prejudice.

    11. Re:FITD vs DITF by HungryHobo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can't and _shouldn't_ have to dye the color of your skin.

      "_shouldn't_"???
      Wow, this is part of it though. Skin color is holy. it's alright to change your hair colour but changing your skin colour is some kind of betrayal.
      If tomorrow someone developed a method as easy and cheap as hair dye to change your skin colour would you look down on people who took advantage of it? if yes why?

    12. Re:FITD vs DITF by photon317 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Race isn't the only determinant either, though. Also consider that generalization is a common and useful human optimization for the problem of not knowing everyone in a large society well enough to judge them accurately on their individual merits.

      I don't consider myself a racist because I don't believe that the color of a person's skin is a direct determinant of their behavior. But certainly I do make a lot of rational generalizations about the behaviors of groups of people to better inform my initial reactions to them, and some people like to cry "racism" when they see this behavior.

      For example, I react very different when approached by a stranger on the street depending on the obvious clues about their social stature. If they're clearly middle or upper class based on the clothing, mannerisms, speech, and behavior cues, I'm more likely to be receptive to the approach. On the other hand if they're clearly a street bum, I'm a lot more wary and guarded, because that class of people are known to scam people like me on the street on a regular basis.

      If the bum happens to be black, it's easy for someone (perhaps the bum himself) to accuse me of racism, when I'm not in fact racist.

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    13. Re:FITD vs DITF by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except "White race" is not an organism. And nobody outside the biggest blowhards will fault you for preferring someone's look over another. This includes preferring a certain skin color.

      This is the problem with racism (which is exactly what you're describing). It justifies xenophobia through a complete fallacy. There hasn't been a single genetic marker that codes for race, and definitions of race are as varied as the groups that try to promote them.

      I also like your reference to white guilt in a later post. Nice try. How are your friends in the National Alliance? Are you part of the Separatism group, or do you just want to kick everyone who is not White out of the US?

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    14. Re:FITD vs DITF by DangerFace · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Couldn't agree more. For some time I had a lot of difficulty understanding this, and it bothered me in the head. I'd see a group of young black or Asian or whatever people and start to get scared. I now realise that the reason I'm scared of those poeple is, primarily at least, because they wear tracksuits and listen to gangsta rap in a not-at-all-ironic way, and generally the image they are trying to put across to the world is 'I want to stab you up'. This is easy to notice the first time you meet a few hippy/goth/whatever folks that just so happen to be 'ethnic', or whatever the word is today - it's easy not to notice at all.

      And this is where racial bias comes in - if I saw some white kids that wanted my phone, I'd just think 'tw@'. If they are black, I think 'Tw@. Oh crap, I just looked at a black person and thought they were a tw@. I must be a racist! Racists are bad! Therefore I am bad!'.

      Similarly, I generally have a pretty permanent scowl - I try working on it, but it just looks like I have a creepy smile instead. Anyways, this leads me to not want to look at minorities of any kind, because my generic expression is either one of seething hatred or psychosis, and I don't want them thinking they got a dirty look when they just got a look from someone dirty. It's a difficult balance to strike, because you should take people's differences and similarities into account, but constantly being aware of who I might offend makes for an uneasy bus ride as well as a subconscious desire not to be around 'minorities' because of the unease it instills in me by virtue of my liberal upbringing.

    15. Re:FITD vs DITF by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Regardless, the amount you state, of 10%, is huge. It means extinction of distinctiveness in only a short period of time. At the least, it means we will be a minority in our own country in short time, at which time we will no longer have any real political power.

      Jesus H. Fucking Christ, that statement pisses me off. Why the fuck would I want to have "any real political power" if I'm sharing it with people with your attitude? Go start a blue-eyed fucking pure-blood Aryan nation somewhere and leave me the fuck alone. As if white people vote in a block and feel part of some brotherhood. Holy shit!

      As to the brainwashing - has it ever occurred to you that if you are living in an extreme minority, you are more likely to intermarry? In GB, or Germany for that matter, blacks make up such a vanishingly small part of the population that it would be nigh impossible to retain a separate community. In the US they constitute about 15% of the population - and about 1/3 in some southern states.

      By the way, much of the black-white intermixing that occurred in the US happened before the end of SLAVERY, let alone Jim Crowe. Are you really going to argue that the US government was actively trying to get us to mix up while still supporting slavery? Because that is just asinine.

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  3. More? by mistersooreams · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A relatively interesting experiment, no doubt, but the article didn't answer a lot of obvious and relevant questions.

    First, how big was the sample size? Everything is given as percentages and we all know how meaningless they can be if the number of people tested is small.

    Second, what is the racial demographic of the users on There.com? There are plenty of parts of the world, e.g. Russia, where racism (in particular against black people) would not come as a surprise to anyone. If the demographic is primarily American or European then it would be slightly more surprising.

    Third, and this is just curiosity, how many people actually complied with the first (totally unreasonable) request in the DITF experiment?

  4. Not necessarily racism by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I saw a TV program that demonstrated that people are more likely to help an injured jogger if he is wearing the same team's football shirt. It is not necessarily racist

  5. no shit sherlock? by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 5, Funny

    According to a study [...] virtual world avatars respond to social cues in the same ways that people do in the real world.

    Isn't that caused by the fact that those virtual world avatars are controlled by people in the real world?

  6. Other virtual worlds give different results by WDot · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have both light-skinned and dark-skinned characters in Guild Wars. I'd say I regularly get called a noob regardless of skin color. )=

  7. data interesting, conclusions iffy by seeker_1us · · Score: 4, Interesting
    OK, so you make a small request, follow by a bigger one, to a stranger. No statistical difference in response depending on whether you are in a light or dark skinned avitar.

    You make a stupidly large request, followed by a reasonable one, to a stranger. There is a statistical difference in response depending on whether you are in a light or dark skinned avitar.

    Researchers conclude that in first case it's because it's how you view yourself and second case it's how you view others and there is racial prejudice. Sounds like psychobabble to me.

    Couldn't it be more like, "wow this stranger made a request that would take 2 hours of my time, then asked for 2 minutes... hmmm do I (consciously or subconsciously) find their avitar attractive enough to risk wasting time with a potential nutjob?"

    TFA doesn't say who the target audience is, but I'm guessing mostly light skined avitar ppl who might just have a statistically higher attraction to ppl of lighter skins. What if they tried this test using ugly light skinned avitars and @#$%ing hot dark skinned avitars? I think they would have to rethink their conclusions.

  8. In WOW... by vjmurphy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Instead of the Foot-In-The-Door experiment or Door-In-The-Face experiment, you have the Gank-the-N00b experiment and the Give-Gold-And-Items-to-Hot-Female-Night-Elves-Who-Are-Really-Men experiments.

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  9. Okay, but what about... by pla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While results of the FITD experiment revealed no racial bias, the effect of the DITF technique was significantly reduced when the experimenter took the form of a dark-skinned avatar.

    Okay, black vs white. Easy enough. It makes sense that people's IRL biases would carry over to the online world - You can see that clearly enough with gender, where having an even remotely female-sounding name results in far more attention (sometimes unwanted) and deferential behavior than a neutral or male name.

    But what about anthropomorphic animal avatars (furries)? What about blue-skinned humanoids? What about amorphous purple blobs? This study had the potential to reveal so much more, yet they limited it to merely demonstrating online what we already knew from the real world. Pity.

  10. What about the User's Avatar? by FishAdmin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's where my curiosity lies. If they're taking the time to do this, it's all fine and dandy that they can say white avatars get 20% compliance for DITF, whereas black avatars get only 8%; however, I think it's important to note the color of the User's avatar, as well as the gender. Were User's with white avatar's MORE or LESS biased against black avatars? What about User's with black avatar's? How about User's with a female avatar? Were they more likely to give compliance, or less? Were the researcher's Avatars always male, or did they use equal white/black/male/female? I would guess that any female avatar would be more likely to get compliance, as men are still chivalrous, for the most part, and will comply with a woman when they wouldn't with a man. I think that this would have been important to note. In our world, racial/gender bias can be presumed to exist without much difficulty; we all know it's there. However, I think it would very interesting to see whether it was a cross-cultural or cross-gender phenomenon, and not just that it exists. Also, I've known just as many black people that were more suspicious of a black man than of a white man! Normally that has come from those that grew up in, shall we say, less-than-upscale areas, and who have dealt with bad male role models, etc. I think the experiment was interesting, but pointless without more depth. Proving the existence of racial bias, even VIRTUAL racial bias, is a lot like trying to prove that the majority of people enjoy sex. It's more of a "No, really?!"

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  11. Funny wording about avatars by Maria+D · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "virtual world avatars respond to social cues in the same ways that people do in the real world"

    This phrase made me lol. Though I understand it's a metonymy, I choose to nitpick this fine morning, so there.

    Avatars can't respond to anything, being representations. But people respond to representations in much the same ways as to the represented. So, to fix the phrase: "People respond to representations of social cues through avatars in virtual worlds in the same ways people respond to social cues." The claim has this "duh" quality. There is a reason those things are called "representations": they represent something for humans. We react to a video, a story or a picture of a love scene or a murder scene in ways similar to our reactions to the real thing, if weaker. All culture, from casual conversations (word representations) to art in any media is based on that premise. Why would the Second Life be any different?

  12. Re:tribalism by clone53421 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Years ago, I attended a community Labor Day parade. I wore a bright orange T-shirt with the word "STAFF" across the back. Worked wonders for gaining access to areas off-limits to ordinary "unwashed masses" folks. Social engineering can be entertaining.

    Entertaining, yes... so I figure you"ll appreciate this. http://improveverywhere.com/2006/04/23/best-buy/

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  13. The fun with White Supremacists by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For anyone interested, look up the recent posts of Thufir. He's nothing but a Vanilla Neo-Nazi. I have to say, I'm almost amused by the logical contortions Neo-Nazis create to justify their bigotry. They've created some interesting new definitions because they couldn't defend their old definitions. Just in this post, I see brand new definitions for:

    Racism (Racially Biased)
    White race (organism)
    Lynching (helping your own race first)

    Nice work, ass-pirate.

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