Slashdot Mirror


Military Uses Virtual Iraq To Treat PTSD

Hugh Pickens writes "Traditionally the best treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder [PTSD] — being raped, narrowly escaping the collapse of the Twin Towers, or witnessing a buddy die on the battlefield — is to have the person relive the trauma using his or her imagination. Repeated exposure to the horror can desensitize individuals and help them stay calm enough to reprocess what happened and get beyond it. Now Clinical Psychologist Albert "Skip" Rizzo has developed a program that has had great success in treating returning troops from Iraq. A soldier with PTSD recounts what happened, and a therapist seated before a computer then creates an environment in the program Virtual Iraq that captures the essential elements of the episode. By donning special goggles, the soldier can see a reenactment and while the simulation starts off relatively tame over the course of several weeks, the therapist monitors the patient 's response and more elements of the episode are introduced until the individual can finally go through an intensely vivid recreation of it without being overpowered by terror. Other programs offered to treat PTSD include Virtual Airplane, Virtual Audiences, Virtual Heights, Virtual Storm, and Virtual Vietnam."

172 comments

  1. Other PTSD programs by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Funny

    * Watching Uwe Boll films.
    * Being a chair in Ballmer's office.
    * Working as a new Microsoft guru and telling the angry masses with a straight face that Vista is great! No, really, it is!

    --
    http://blindscribblings.com - Tasty pop-culture in conceptual fashion.
    1. Re:Other PTSD programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, that will certainly end your PTSD problems, because in all three cases you will be dead.

    2. Re:Other PTSD programs by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      While I can't comment on chairs, I am sure, I have seen people surviving watching Uwe Boll movies or spewing Microsoft marketing crap in front of other people.

      On the other hand, if there is going to be some public beating of Microsoft marketdroid anywhere near SF Bay Area, count me in.

      --
      Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
    3. Re:Other PTSD programs by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      * Reading Slashdot's Disagree Mail.
      * Watching anything on Fox News.
      * The new Firefox "Awesome" bar.

      --
      It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
    4. Re:Other PTSD programs by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      *
      * profit

      --
      Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
    5. Re:Other PTSD programs by iphayd · · Score: 1

      While I don't have any intellectual authority to comment either way on the therapy, I wonder what data you have to back up these claims that this type of therapy not only does not work, but makes individuals worse?

      I realize this is slashdot comments, and that there are lots of people making comments about things they have no real knowledge of, but this is borderline ridiculous.

    6. Re:Other PTSD programs by tdp252 · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for Virtual Bush Presidency. Hopefully re-living the economic horror of the past 8 years will be therapeutic.

    7. Re:Other PTSD programs by SmokeyTheBalrog · · Score: 2, Funny

      Did you say border? Papers please...

    8. Re:Other PTSD programs by Jarik_Tentsu · · Score: 1

      Traditionally the best treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder [PTSD] -- being raped, narrowly escaping the collapse of the Twin Towers, or witnessing a buddy die on the battlefield -- is to have the person relive the trauma using his or her imagination.

      Uh oh.

      Are they going to force rape victims watch rape-hentai now?

      ~Jarik

  2. Might work for some things... by 427_ci_505 · · Score: 1

    I don't see this being particularly helpful if the cause was rape or watching a friend die though. I'd imagine you'd just feel worse.

    1. Re:Might work for some things... by kaiser423 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The point isn't to make you feel better. The point is to be able to address what happened and move on....it's not a huge surprise that talking through in a controlled, supportive environment what happened might help people address the situation and resolve it.

      Of course, if the armchair /. people have other methods that have been empirically backed by a number of excellent studies, I'm sure that these people would be all ears. They're really just doing their best to help, and would love some more.

    2. Re:Might work for some things... by mikael · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is that the individual is likely to suffer from flashbacks whenever similar simple events happen in the real world. If they are walking down the street, and hear a loud noise such as a car backfiring, a container door being slammed, or some construction work, it would trigger those memories causing them to freeze-up, get angry or be unhappy.

      The idea of this treatment is to desensitize them to these events so that those memories aren't triggered.

      --
      Vintage computer adverts: http://www.vintageadbrowser.com/computers-and-software-ads
    3. Re:Might work for some things... by Kooty-Sentinel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I couldn't imagine being a rape victim and being subject to this.... "Welcome to Virtual Rape 1.0 - Simulated Rape to help enable you to conquer your fears"

      --
      Your evaluation period for Productivity 1.0 has ended. Please purchase more coffee to continue using this product.
    4. Re:Might work for some things... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't see this being particularly helpful if the cause was rape or watching a friend die though. I'd imagine you'd just feel worse.

      I was planning to get through a dungeon full of dragons... we were all ready, and then Leroy.... BWAAAA! *SOB*

    5. Re:Might work for some things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I sure see a viable market for it though...

    6. Re:Might work for some things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to lie and say I was raped, to trick my therapist into creating my ultimate VR rape fantasy...

    7. Re:Might work for some things... by drcarson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What would they do, simulate an attack and then throw on a porn video with your face crudely pasted over the others. This sounds like either a sick video/video game or a bad reference. Lets hope at least.

    8. Re:Might work for some things... by Kooty-Sentinel · · Score: 1

      Or they just paste your face on a video of the "Hot Coffee" mod from GTA:SA.

      Now THAT would scar anyone for life.

      --
      Your evaluation period for Productivity 1.0 has ended. Please purchase more coffee to continue using this product.
    9. Re:Might work for some things... by RingDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course, if the armchair /. people have other methods that have been empirically backed by a number of excellent studies, I'm sure that these people would be all ears. They're really just doing their best to help, and would love some more.

      I've got one... don't send our young men and women into wars unnecesarily.

      PTSD is a lot less impacting if you never have to experience the traumatic part.

      -Rick

      --
      "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
    10. Re:Might work for some things... by Kratisto · · Score: 0

      Is this only for the victims, or... ?

      --
      Conscience is the inner voice which warns us that someone may be looking.
    11. Re:Might work for some things... by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      I might be more agreeable to this if it were Vietnam and we had the draft. But this is an all volunteer force, 99% of which have either enlisted, re-enlisted, been commissioned, or extended since the war in Iraq began. If they didn't want to be there, they wouldn't be.

      --
      Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
    12. Re:Might work for some things... by TheLink · · Score: 1

      But where are the studies that show that "reliving the trauma" is better in general?

      There's so far evidence that the popular method of "reliving or talking about it" isn't such a good idea:

      http://www.spring.org.uk/2008/06/venting-emotions-after-trauma-predicts.php

      http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1296912

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/mar/11/mentalhealth.healthandwellbeing

      I'm inclined that like most memory stuff, repeating something over and over again just makes it easier for you to remember it.

      For some people the "reliving" session may itself be yet another traumatic event to add to their "wonderful life" so far. Imagine if you're a rape victim, getting raped in virtual reality over and over again.

      Of course the trouble is it's often hard to conduct experiments in the field of psychology to prove efficacy. You can't go around giving 1000 people PTSD and do a "double blind" on the treatments. I suppose you could try it on rats first, but how well is that going to translate?

      IMO I believe if people don't feel a strong _urge_[1] to talk about it tell them to think about something else and get busy with other more enjoyable things.

      Same goes for the conventional wisdom on "bottling up anger". You let people bash stuff up because they feel angry, all it does is makes it become a trained/learned response. Fine if you want to learn to bash stuff up whenever you get angry, but not fine if you are trying to learn something else.

      [1] Not because they _feel_ it's the right thing to do - based on "conventional" stupidity aka wisdom. If they do feel a strong urge, then yes let them do it.

      --
    13. Re:Might work for some things... by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      re:If they didn't want to be there, they wouldn't be.
      from another post:The fact is that there are people for whom the military is the best/only job opportunity, or the best/only chance at college, or the best/only chance at getting out of their rapidly failing town.
      Free choice entails a starting basis of equality in set and setting.
      Many of our so-called free choices are in reality severly limited IMHO.

      --
      "Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
    14. Re:Might work for some things... by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      re: If they didn't want to be there, they wouldn't be.
      Many of these so called volunteers have very little actual choice in the matter.
      No money, no education, no job, no future prospects, and lied to by the recruiters.
      Volunteer now! (Or become a homeless junkie.) Yay free will!

      --
      "Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
    15. Re:Might work for some things... by MPAB · · Score: 2, Funny

      What happened? Was he eaten by a grue?

    16. Re:Might work for some things... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      "Welcome to Virtual Pedophile 1.0 - Simulated Child Buggery to help you deal with the fact that you're a bottom-feeding troglodite"

      --
      Finally had enough. Come see us over at https://soylentnews.org/
    17. Re:Might work for some things... by Jurily · · Score: 1

      The point isn't to make you feel better. The point is to be able to address what happened and move on...

      Making someone relive the worse experience in their life is not just torture, it entrenches the trauma even more in their life.

      As for other things you can do to help, try NLP. Oh, and exactly what use is empirically backing something with excellent studies that doesn't work? NLP does.

    18. Re:Might work for some things... by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      True, for some. There are also some (many people I know personally) who joined/re-enlisted/extended/went back in post 9/11 in order to serve their country in time of need. I know people who gave up college scholarships to enlist in the Marines. I know people who voluntarily came out of retirement to go to Iraq. Also, re-enlistment rates in the Marine Corps have been higher since the war in Iraq started. Each year, they have had to turn Marines away where before the war they sometimes fell short of quotas. The last two years, when the slots opened up at the beginning of the fiscal year on 1 Oct, all re-enlistment slots had been filled by 31 Oct. In pre-war years, it would take all year to fill them usually. After the first 4-5 years, there are plenty of opportunities for most Marinesif they were to get out, especially now with the new GI Bill. With such high re-enlistment rates, I am still left wth the conviction that the vast majority of those serving want to be there. I am in Iraq right now, and I can say that morale is and has been sky high.

      --
      Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
    19. Re:Might work for some things... by ozphx · · Score: 1

      Depends on who is doing the raping?

      Sign me up for Virtual Getting Raped By A Pack of Hot Bisexual Chicks 3D.

      --
      3laws: No freebies, no backsies, GTFO.
    20. Re:Might work for some things... by MRe_nl · · Score: 1

      Sorry for the double, one might say triple, post.
      The system seemed to have eaten my original reply, yet here it appears.
      I wish more things in life functioned thusly...

      --
      "Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
    21. Re:Might work for some things... by knutkracker · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Speaking as a Brit, I find that amazing. Heartening to know that people in the US care for their country and want to defend it etc, and kudos to all for their bravery, but Iraq? Seriously? How can morale be so high when the body count grows and its clear to all by now that Saddam had no WMDs, had nothing to do with 9/11 and despite being a first class dick, didn't allow Al-Qaeda operatives any freedom to start building up a power base in Iraq (which is now swarming with them).

      I don't intend to troll - I'm genuinely curious. Why is the Iraq war seen as successful?

    22. Re:Might work for some things... by IanHurst · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Morale is high because Iraq seems to be turning around. I know, I know, it's been said before.

      But if "body counts" is your best metric then you have no choice but to rejoice, because they're nowhere near what they were in 2006. Iraqis have finally turned against the insurgency and started cooperating with US troops. The result has been a dramatic decrease in violence in Iraq, and now most of the country - including the former strongholds of the insurgency - is actually voluntarily under Iraqi control. The difference between the Iraq in the throws of insurgency and the Iraq of 2008 is enormous.

      If you're a Marine who passed up college or came out of retirement to go to there, seeing it turn around is about the best thing in your whole world. It means you get to go home (or at least on to Afghanistan); perhaps with some shame, but ALSO with some pride. That's what's got your morale high.

    23. Re:Might work for some things... by RingDev · · Score: 1

      So what you are saying is that PTSD is okay so long as our troops and Marines are happy while they are in theater?

      I'm not saying we shouldn't send our military into conflicts, I'm not saying our young men and women are idiots for signing up (hell, I did my 4), what I am saying is that we are currently engaged in two internation policing actions with the military. 1 of these actions is the result of a government sponsored terrorist attack that killed thousands of Americans. 1 of these actions is the result of a misinformation campaign designed to pursue a political agenda in the Middle East, specifically in a country that was of no threat to the USA.

      If we had gone to only Afghanistan, and focused our attention there, we would have had less casualties, less wasteful spending, and significantly less PTSD affected members of the military. THAT is the point. Marines get into harm's way, that's what we're good at. But puting Marines in harm's way for some BS political action that anyone with a minor in political science could tell you was a bad idea is vile.

      -Rick

      --
      "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
    24. Re:Might work for some things... by halcyon1234 · · Score: 1

      No means No, Clippy!

    25. Re:Might work for some things... by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      So what you are saying is that PTSD is okay so long as our troops and Marines are happy while they are in theater?

      Um, not even close. Your answer was to just not send them to war. My retort was that they're volunteers and by and large want to be there. PSTD is serious and we need to support those who come back with it. I just didn't want this to turn into another "sending our kids to war" argument. They're grown ups who voluntarily signed up in war time. They know what they're doing.

      1 of these actions is the result of a misinformation campaign designed to pursue a political agenda in the Middle East

      Sadly, somewhat true.

      specifically in a country that was of no threat to the USA.

      Whoah there buddy! Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Iraqi agents were involved in the 93 WTC attack, the 95 OKC attack, and probably the 98 Embassy bombing. They were far from "no threat."

      --
      Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
    26. Re:Might work for some things... by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      How can morale be so high when the body count grows

      There has been much progress here recently, but even before the Surge and Awakening there were plenty of things to keep morale up. The media didn't report any of it, but we built thousands of schools, mosques, and other facilities and directly saw the fruits of our labor. We've been killing and capturing some really nasty people, some with violent criminal records back in the States. We've provided jobs, cleaned up neighborhods, got the oil industry back online. Things are going much much better here than the media would have you believe.

      its clear to all by now that Saddam had no WMDs

      It's not clear to those working here. An EOD tech working here lost a friend to a sarin artillery round. Marines found Mustard gas in the Tigris on the initial push into Baghdad, after it was apparently dumped by the Iraqis. There were huge convoys of vehicles leaving Iraq into Syria and Iran for the 8 months we gave Saddam to comply with the UNs demands. The fact that we didn't find much hasn't hurt morale at all. And BTW, we all still get chem suits and gas masks issued here. When I jokingly ask soldiers and Marines why we have them since Iraq never had WMD, they all look at me like I'm an idiot.

      had nothing to do with 9/11

      They certainly had a lot do with terrorism. They were on the state sponsored terrorism list for 20+ years, and were involved with the 93 WTC attack, the 95 OKC attack, and probably the 98 Embassy bombings.

      didn't allow Al-Qaeda operatives any freedom to start building up a power base in Iraq

      Iraq and Al Qaeda did in fact work together, though many people seem to think they hated each other more than they hated us. After the 98 Embassy bombings, UBL took credit and stated for all the world to know that he did it to support Iraq, meaning both the ongoing sanctions and Clinton's recent bombing without a UN sanction. KSM was a top Al Qaeda lieutenant and received funding from Iraq. His nephew Ramzi Yousef was an Iraqi agent responsible for the 93 WTC attack and the 94 Bojinka plot. The connections go on and on and a simple google search of Iraq and Al Qaeda will turn up more.

      Why is the Iraq war seen as successful?

      Besides the above, we don't want to quit or admit defeat. And if we pick up and leave, it's quite possible Al Qaeda and other groups will resume sectarian fighting and we'll come to see our losses as meaningless. Personally, I think it's time to draw down gracefully but be prepared to go back if the Iraqi government asks for our help.

      --
      Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
    27. Re:Might work for some things... by DougF · · Score: 0

      Many of these volunteers were....volunteers, and volunteered to go back to Iraq and Afghanistan time and again. Most came from middle class backgrounds, high school diploma, sometimes some college. The vast majority leave the military in a) better shape; b) better educated; and c) with better job prospects. And I speak from experience, 21 years, 9 months, 17 days worth...

      --
      Impetuous! Homeric!
    28. Re:Might work for some things... by RingDev · · Score: 1

      Um, not even close. Your answer was to just not send them to war.

      Negative ghost rider. My answer was to not send them to war unnecessarily. PTSD is a very serious issue. I work for an R&D firm with a bunch of doctors who lead the field in depression, anxiety, OCD, dimentia and other related mental health conditions. We have been lobbying hard to get one of our IVR based mental health screening systems in with the VA so that we can help identify the vets who are most at risk and get them immediate attention. None of this fill out a pamphlet and wait 6 months BS.

      Whoah there buddy! Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Iraqi agents were involved in the 93 WTC attack, the 95 OKC attack, and probably the 98 Embassy bombing. They were far from "no threat."

      I think someone has been feeding you some bunk information.

      The '98 Embassy bombing was carried out by alQueda. al Queda is a Sunni Islamic terror organization with no ties to the country of Iraq or its disposed leader Saddam. al Queda, under the leadership of Osama bin Laden, actually offered its assistance to the king of Saudi Arabia in the 90's as a military force to push Saddam out of Kuwait (The Saudis declined the offer in favor of US intervention). So to claim that al Queda was in bed with Saddam, the same man they were offering to assassinate only a few years prior, is absolutely silly.

      The 95 Oklahoma City bombing was entirely funded and performed by US citizens, to claim that Iraq/Saddam was some how involved is on the same level of conspiracy nut-job-ism as the people who claim that the US air force launched a missile at the pentagon and that wasn't really an airplane crash on 9/11.

      The '93 WTC bombing also had absolutely no ties to Iraq/Saddam. One of the perpetrators had a false Iraqi passport, but he was actually from Kuwait. They had ties to the blind sheik and to people with ties to al Queda, but no ties to Iraq. Just a few months ago the Pentagon posted a report on it saying that after combing through all of the documentation they found after disposing Saddam, they discovered no proof of any ties between the 93 bombing and Iraq.

      I'll say it again: Iraq posed no threat to the US. In fact, I would go so far as to say that US citizens, the country, and our allies were SAFER in the world when Saddam was in power in Iraq.

      -Rick

      --
      "Most people in the U.S. wouldn't know they live in a tyrannical state if it walked up and grabbed their junk." - MyFirs
    29. Re:Might work for some things... by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      I have a pet loach that lives in a cute little concrete cave in my fishtank, and you have just insulted it.

    30. Re:Might work for some things... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that like it would be a bad thing.

      "Oh no, they now have an alternative to raping my children, somebody stop them!"

    31. Re:Might work for some things... by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      The '98 Embassy bombing was carried out by alQueda. al Queda is a Sunni Islamic terror organization with no ties to the country of Iraq

      Then why did UBL say he conducted the Embassy bombings in response to UN sanctions against Iraq? Why show such strong support for Iraq when they're not involved? BTW, the Embassy bombings were 7 Aug 98, 2 days after Saddam thew out weapons inspectors. Seems an awfully big coincidence for UBL to attack us so close to Saddam's action, then issue a letter taking credit sayig he did it to support Iraq.

      The 95 Oklahoma City bombing was entirely funded and performed by US citizens

      Read The Third Terrorist by Jayna Davis. Turns out John Doe #2 was Hussein al Husseini, an Iraqi agent. Nichols went to the Philipines and met with both Al Qaeda terrorists and Iraq intelligence agents. McVeigh was seen with several Middle Eastern men leading up to the attack and was arrested with Iraqi phone numbers on him. The book is worth the read. Or you can google Jayna Davis and read some of her articles based on her book.

      One of the perpetrators had a false Iraqi passport, but he was actually from Kuwait.

      Common misperception. Ramzi Yousef was NOT Karim Abdul Basit from Kuwait. Yousef was 3" taller than Basit, and interviews with people who knew them both confirmed they are nothing like one another and nowhere near each other in age. With a beard, though, they look enough like each other to pass. Basit was killed buring the Iraq occupation of Kuwait and Yousef's fingerprints were put into his file in order to provide a convincing alias for one of their operatives. Iraq has been known to go to great lengths to cover up their involvement in terrorist acts. In fact, when they pulled out of Kuwait, 50,000 blank passports were missing. Also, Abdul Rahman Yasin, Yousef's accomplice, fled to Iraq using his Iraqi passport with the help of the Iraqi government. He was a smooth character, who, after admitting he helped mix the ingredients to the bomb, talking his way out of FBI custody saying he had to tend to his sick mother in Iraq. In the 2003 invasion we discovered documents showing he was on the Iraqi payroll for the previous 10 years. Try reading The War Against America by Laurie Mylroie for more.

      Just a few months ago the Pentagon posted a report on it saying that after combing through all of the documentation they found after disposing Saddam

      Funny how people take the government's word when they agree with them, but forget all the coverups and bungles. Remember the Pentagon Papers? Magic bullet theory? The FBI has been caught red handed covering up links between Iraq and the 95 OKC. The FBI refused on several occassions to even listen to Jayna Davis or accept her affadavits, interviews, camera footage, and other evidence linking Iraq to the 95 OKC attack. I'll say it again: REFUSED to even look at it. Given the huge amount of information freely available linking Iraq to numerous attacks, I have to wonder about reports like this and the motives of those involved. I am not some amateur conspiracy nut. I am an intelligence analyst who has tracked terrorism for years.

      --
      Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
  3. Hey.. Isn't that the same technique as Dianetics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Scientology techniques combined with computers!

    More seriously though, this is an effective technique, but it is painful for the person going through it. There are much better techniques found in fringe places like NLP that provide ways for people to get through severe problems like that without forcing them to relive trauma such as a rape over and over again. This technique seems almost sadistic.

  4. I'm waiting for... by MarkusQ · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm waiting for Virtual Staff Meeting.

    *shudder*

    Although I suppose the fact that I can joke about it means I'm coming along. *twitch* *twitch*

    --MarkusQ

    1. Re:I'm waiting for... by Statecraftsman · · Score: 1

      In order of decreasing trauma...
      Virtual Childhood
      Virtual Public Education
      Virtual DMV
      Virtual Waterboarding

    2. Re:I'm waiting for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, that would be a great way to relieve stress and frustration too, if it allowed you to pick up virtual furniture and virtually harass your virtual coworkers.

    3. Re:I'm waiting for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Virtual Mom Walking in on You Masturbating...

    4. Re:I'm waiting for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Virtual Walking in on Your Mom Masturbating...

  5. That explains... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Repeated exposure to the horror can desensitize individuals...

    That must explain American television. How can anybody in their right mind watch that sh*t?

    1. Re:That explains... by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      I saw all those comments hinting that this treatment seemed sadistic, and I immediately thought, sadistic? try watching network television....

      I suppose it would work though, I just get an image of Will Smith in a particularly nasty Clockwork Orange therapy film... over and over

  6. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder cure-all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just go visit a 3rd-world country and meditate to yourself, I'm just visitting, and being payed to visit.

  7. Of interest to Slashdotters... by mangu · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...do they have Virtual Girls?

    1. Re:Of interest to Slashdotters... by pilgrim23 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Virtual Ex-Wife?

      --
      - Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum.
    2. Re:Of interest to Slashdotters... by Neanderthal+Ninny · · Score: 1

      Virtual girlfriends... oh, you have that already and we call them "In your fantasy".

    3. Re:Of interest to Slashdotters... by derfy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Virtual Getting Out Of Parent's Basement?

    4. Re:Of interest to Slashdotters... by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 1

      There's air outside there still?

      --
      Ginga no Rekshiya Mata Each page.
    5. Re:Of interest to Slashdotters... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah there's air out here. Quatto says hi.

    6. Re:Of interest to Slashdotters... by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Subtitled 'Posting to Slashdot'?

    7. Re:Of interest to Slashdotters... by failedlogic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Continuing, with the theme, here are some more despicable PTSD-causing life experiences:

      Virtual: "I'm Pregnant!" ; "Children" ; "Wife: Let's go shopping!" ; "Let's install Windows on this computer!" and worst of all "0 - Troll on /."

    8. Re:Of interest to Slashdotters... by corbettw · · Score: 1

      Here, here. They can start with something really tame, like just nagging about cleaning the gutters. Then move on to the hard stuff ("Why are your loser friends playing Warhammer in the garage again?"), then eventually the really insane, PTSD-inducing stuff ("Do these jeans make me look fat?") I see a huge market for this device, and not just among geeks.

      --
      God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
  8. Hard Sell by omnilynx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, I don't think "Virtual Rape" and "Virtual 9/11" will go over to well.

    --
    ceci n'est pas une .sig
    1. Re:Hard Sell by rkanodia · · Score: 1

      Clearly, you've never visited the Pirate Bay before...

    2. Re:Hard Sell by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 1

      The former has probably been out in Japan for at least 10 years.

    3. Re:Hard Sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the first one is a game in Japan.

      AC because of mod points.

    4. Re:Hard Sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you have never played Second Life.

    5. Re:Hard Sell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Japan is leading the way in terms of rape-PTSD therapy; they already have a bunch of rape simulators.

  9. Cash and Carry .gov by t0qer · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Yet another way for the veterans affairs office to waste taxpayers dollars.

    http://fnonsl.fantasy-net.net/category/vet-center
    ^^^__Did you know the VA hospital owns property in second life? They're going to build virtual ski slopes for the legless vets to ski down. Woohoo!

    Kind of reminds me of the carlin skit "Dollys for froggys"

    1. Re:Cash and Carry .gov by kaiser423 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You do know that exposure therapy is the most effective (and sadly, just about the only) treatment for PTSD? It really is amazingly effective, and has been backed up by a large number of peer-reviewed studies as being an excellent tool.

      This seems to be the next generation of exposure therapy. I say bravo to the VA for pushing lead-edge therapies (that have significant literature backing their efficacy) that may help save a number of our individuals form lifetimes of hurt. One of the tragedies of this war is that many of our promising youth are being lost not only to death, but to serious mental illness. If we can help them overcome their problems, we may not lose the significant talent that many of these young soldiers have.

    2. Re:Cash and Carry .gov by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It is supported by primarily by donations and is not affiliated with or sponsored by any US government agency.

      Second sentence. You're an asshole.

    3. Re:Cash and Carry .gov by registrar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yet another way for the veterans affairs office to waste taxpayers dollars.

      Do you think the cost of this intervention is anything like the cost of the war to begin with? It's a trivial extra cost. Decent nations factor in the cost of being nice to the vets after a war.

      More importantly, is the cost of the intervention more than the cost of having the PTSD sufferer continue to suffer? Fixing up a young traumatised soldier is an investment: from one rather crass point of view, the government effectively invests in creating taxpayers, and I bet refurbishing a soldier is much cheaper than creating a new taxpayer from scratch. Hint: you personally benefit from the availability of other taxpayers.

      Most importantly, these people are worthwhile human beings who got a bit buggered up. Being decent human beings ourselves, we should want to spend our money on fixing them up. Hint: if you do not want to do that, you are not a decent human being.

      Yeah, I'm a public health guy who lives in a country with a decent health-care system [read, better than the US system]. That means that I know the good economic and moral reasons for the society to provide physical and mental health care. Doing anything less is frankly sub-human. Arguing for less is, at best, ignorant. At worst, it is malicious and inhumane.

    4. Re:Cash and Carry .gov by registrar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      PS. yes, that sort of whining about health expenditure makes me really angry and anti-american. It is amazing how so many Americans believe that their system is superior and the only morally defensible system. Empirically, it is more expensive and less effective than other Western systems. People die because of your theoretical whining about 'socialised health systems.'

      Yes, yours is a great country and all, but it's got a few damned ugly patches, and the worst of it is that so many of you don't have the ability to criticise yourselves and actually change something.

      Please, go forward, patch yourselves up, be strong, be good, get back to being the envy of the world. I would like to revisit the USA one day, but first, I need to want to be there. End rant.

    5. Re:Cash and Carry .gov by McDutchie · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yet another way for the veterans affairs office to waste taxpayers dollars.

      http://fnonsl.fantasy-net.net/category/vet-center [fantasy-net.net]
      ^^^__Did you know the VA hospital owns property in second life? They're going to build virtual ski slopes for the legless vets to ski down. Woohoo!

      From your link: "It is supported by primarily by donations and is not affiliated with or sponsored by any US government agency."

      Try again.

  10. hm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Doesn't any of the 100 million war themed FPS work?

  11. Virtual Vietnam by Krater76 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Virtual Vietnam

    I think I played that game years ago. It was severely unbalanced in the beginning with the attack helicopters that couldn't be shot down and the M60 infantry being deadly accurate on the move.

    --
    "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?" - Patrick Henry
    1. Re:Virtual Vietnam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's real easy, you just don't lead them as much!

    2. Re:Virtual Vietnam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wasn't that the treatment? I mean, once you die, you get reincarnated, so that you can die over and over again.

      CAPTUA: invasion

  12. And for the Slashdot Crowd... by Sir+Holo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Other programs offered to treat PTSD include Virtual Airplane, Virtual Audiences, Virtual Heights, Virtual Storm, and Virtual Vietnam."

    And for the slashdot crowd, Virtual Pick-up, Virtual Bar-scene, and Virtual Date.

    1. Re:And for the Slashdot Crowd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or virtual Middle School cafeteria, or virtual way home with bullies on bikes, or virtual watching on my TV the bully married the cheerleader and now they are rich and famous...

    2. Re:And for the Slashdot Crowd... by actionbastard · · Score: 1

      Virtual /.!

      --
      Sig this!
  13. wikileaks should get this info by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    then someone should port the terror scenarios to an fps

    SERGEANT BILKO WENT INSANE DUE TO WHAT HAPPENED HERE, can you survive?

    --
    intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
  14. Waste? by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it helps legless vets, more power to them. You sound like the kind who spit on returning Vietnam vets.

    1. Re:Waste? by Bragador · · Score: 1

      Exactly what I was about to say. If it works then it's not a waste of money. Actually, when I get old, I'd like to have a sort of virtual heaven where people can do plenty of stuff instead of wasting their time on the balcony and admire the grass grow.

    2. Re:Waste? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      You sound like the kind who spit on returning Vietnam vets.

      Just the legless ones. Sounds like a typical libertarian.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    3. Re:Waste? by t0qer · · Score: 1

      No i'm the kind of guy who thinks;

      a. Our soldiers shouldn't be overseas in the first place.

      b. the ones that have had thier legs/arms blown off, should get new arms/legs. What the hell is a video game going to do for them?

  15. Good idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Let me know when they come out with Virtual Catholic Elementary School.

  16. Boo-Hoo... by morari · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'd be more sympathetic if these morons weren't voluntarily signing their lives away to an uncaring government.

    --
    "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
    1. Re:Boo-Hoo... by stevet_az · · Score: 1

      I'd be more sympathetic if these morons weren't voluntarily signing their lives away to an uncaring government.

      Oh Lord. Another 19 year old democrat that knows it all. Hail Obama !!!!!

    2. Re:Boo-Hoo... by IanHurst · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Other than showing that you're an asshole, your post shows you haven't thought about what it's like to live around guys with PTSD. They have families and neighbors who, you know, didn't volunteer to sign their lives away. Innocent bystanders, you might even call them. Programs that help treat direct sufferers - even if you don't think they deserve it - can make a huge difference in the lives of everyone around them.

      The city I live in has a very large military presence, and I welcome every bit of assistance the government can provide in helping them return to society.

      Think harder.

    3. Re:Boo-Hoo... by morari · · Score: 0, Troll

      Bzz--wrong!

      The soldiers need to "think harder" before singing up.

      --
      "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." --Paul Atreides, Dune
    4. Re:Boo-Hoo... by IanHurst · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and their neighbors and children need to do what, exactly? Suck it up? Run away from home? Obviously it's their fault somebody else made a choice. Rape victims also should not have worn dresses, yes?

    5. Re:Boo-Hoo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Your anti-establishment posts on this and other threads are new and refreshing. No one has ever been as anti-corporate or anti-government or anti-military as you. You are clearly at the forefront of independent thought.

      That's what you want to hear, right?

      Maybe you should "think harder" about not being an overprivileged white kid growing up in suburbia where your biggest problem is if pop will let you drive the new truck to prom, and more about the fact that there are people for whom the military is the best job opportunity, or the best chance at college, or the best chance at getting out of their rapidly failing town. The PTSD is a side effect that's nearly impossible to plan for and incredibly difficult to treat.

      Would you be more sympathetic to someone with cancer?

    6. Re:Boo-Hoo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really are a moron.

      They signed up because they wanted to serve their country and most likely at the time, the country wasn't at war with some backwater flea hole.

      A soldier doesn't pick where they go or what they do, they serve the government of the day and go where they are told, irrespective of their personal beliefs.

      It's not like the recruiters don't talk it up either .. it's all sugar dust and candy until you get there. But that shouldn't really matter anyway - They're there for the honour of protecting all the sissies back home who berate them for being braver and bigger person than they could ever be.

    7. Re:Boo-Hoo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope.

      They waved flags all the way. Slapped him on the back. Told him he was doing a good and honorable thing. A few were _very nice_ to him.
      A _few_ jerks asked embarassing or "scary" questions.
      Almost everyone acted as if he were taking on a minuteman comission, in the 1700's.

      Mostly the other, contrary, half - "understood his situation" and "respected his choice".

      Ignorance, want, and vanity made them sign on as accessories to the invasion, murder, poisoning, and pillage of at least two nations - on false pretenses and under conspiracy.

      The rest can't speak out too loudly, or they get accidentally tasered for a "completely unrelated" this or that or whatever.

      Nurenberg II put that sort of thing in its place.

    8. Re:Boo-Hoo... by nx6310 · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should "think harder" about not being an overprivileged white kid growing up in suburbia where your biggest problem is if pop will let you drive the new truck to prom

      I was enjoying my moding privileges till I read this. I myself am an Iraqi whose father passed away recently due to Aplastic Anemia which when diagnosed was concluded as radiation inflicted. Needless to say, my family lived in Baghdad during the war.

      Believe it or not what you call the 'anti-establishment posts' are a source of consolation to Iraqis like myself, that there still is hope for the populous of the worlds most powerful nation. In other words, at least the bright and brilliant know right from wrong.

      I stand with those who say, don't send them to Iraq in the first place, neither of us will need therapy that way.

    9. Re:Boo-Hoo... by WiiVault · · Score: 1

      He's not one of us. Just another nut.

  17. Using virtual worlds to desensitize by Sun+Chi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Doesn't this show that intense violent video games might very well have a desensitizing effect on kids? I'm not talking about stupid theories about turning kids into killers, I just mean that they might react less strongly, and possibly less negatively, to violence after playing Grand Theft Auto. Something to think about. Anyone have any studies based on this?

    p.s.
    I'm a gamer and personally love GTA and many other other very violent games.

    1. Re:Using virtual worlds to desensitize by bogjobber · · Score: 1

      Maybe if it was graphic, realistic violence. But I would doubt cartoon GTA or Halo-style violence desensitizes very much. That's worlds away from actual violence. Even on graphic shows like the Sopranos or whatever, the violence is very stylized and not depicted in a realistic way.

      A better example would be something like snuff films. But if you're watching snuff films, my guess is that you already have problems.

  18. What about PTSD in Second Life? by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    What if you suffer from PTSD induced in Second Life? Do they have a Virtual Virtual?

    1. Re:What about PTSD in Second Life? by compro01 · · Score: 1
      --
      upon the advice of my lawyer, i have no sig at this time
    2. Re:What about PTSD in Second Life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! There's real crime in Second life like being attacked by an "assault scripted object".

  19. Well... by actionbastard · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've had virtual sex so many times I'm desensitized to that now, too.

    --
    Sig this!
    1. Re:Well... by couchslug · · Score: 3, Funny

      "I've had virtual sex so many times I'm desensitized to that now, too."

      It's the calluses. Switch hands.

      --
      "This post is an artistic work of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."
  20. Brainstorm (1983) by hack++slash · · Score: 1

    This reminds me a little of the film Brainstorm where they invent a device to record & playback sensations (audio/video/taste/touch/smell), but like any new & wonderful invention the military see what use they can use it for and develop recordings to torture people with.

    --
    To do something right, you often have to roll up your sleeves and get busy.
    1. Re:Brainstorm (1983) by Zordak · · Score: 1

      and develop recordings to torture people with.

      IIRC, the technique was refined over time, and finally perfected with the "doomsday" hologram codenamed "BRTN-E SPRS"

      --

      Today's Sesame Street was brought to you by the number e.
  21. o.O by achenaar · · Score: 1

    Holy shit! When is this getting released!?
    I'd play this!

  22. I have PTSD doc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I was stationed in Kaiserslautern and it was Oktoberfest. This pair of beautiful twins came to my room carrying four steins each... please help me relive this so I can... get over it.

    1. Re:I have PTSD doc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ewww, 2 girls 8 steins.

  23. Manchurian Candidate Anyone? by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

    The desensitization of an individual to violence through psychological conditioning is frequently featured in fiction, in the ST:TNG episode The Mind's Eye for example, as part of a multi-sensory simulation program necessary (supposedly) to create a Manchurian Candidate style assassin. Theses studies offer at least some proof that people can be conditioned to have a very casual reaction to an episode(s) of extreme violence, so perhaps the fiction is not too far off the mark.

  24. Not (intended) for PTSD by DynaSoar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Other programs offered to treat PTSD include Virtual Airplane, Virtual Audiences, Virtual Heights, Virtual Storm, and Virtual Vietnam."

    All but the last are for desenstitization of phobias (as are those for snakes and spiders). The same programs would work for PTSD as they're simply VR of exposure to a particular situation, but I can't recall there ever being a case of audience-induced PTSD.

    Rizzo has also used his VR work in stroke rehab, a worthy effort. OTOH, he used it to 'erase' the well known and much decried persistent gender effects (males being better at it than females) in the mental rotation task (MRT) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_rotation . Not bad work, but he credited VR, not simply exposure and practice. One of my undergrad labs approached the Virginia Tech VR "tank" folks and asked for help in replicating this. The VR lab suggested using VRML instead for our own convenience. We did so, and we built two full sets of the MRT out of wooden blocks. We tested males and females from psychology as well as from engineering. We found the effect he did, but got the same effect from both virtual and manual manipulation. The effect was from practice, not specifically VR immersion.

    To pull this back on topic, the above tends to support the traditional military medicine model for treating "shell shock" and "battle fatigue" (as PTSD was know for the past century) by exposure, ie. "return to the battlefield as soon as possible". Just as with electroshock therapy, much as I dislike the fact the numbers show it to be effective.

    --
    "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
    1. Re:Not (intended) for PTSD by Animats · · Score: 2, Informative

      To pull this back on topic, the above tends to support the traditional military medicine model for treating "shell shock" and "battle fatigue" (as PTSD was know for the past century) by exposure, ie. "return to the battlefield as soon as possible". Just as with electroshock therapy, much as I dislike the fact the numbers show it to be effective.

      It's different in prolonged low-intensity combat situations. The WWII observation was that most troops were likely to develop debilitating PTSD after about 200 days of the stress of combat, but most soldiers could tolerate 100 days. In the big wars, most units didn't spend that much time in combat; when they did, it was intense, but most of the time, most units were not in contact with the enemy. Anybody who spent 200 days in actual combat in WWII was unlikely to survive.

      In wars with no rear areas, like Iraq, soldiers are at risk for the entire time they're in theater. So, while the odds of getting killed are lower than in the big wars, PTSD type problems, like hyper-alert paranoia, are more likely. Having to watch your back for months on end messes up the minds of most people.

      Tours are longer than in the Vietnam era, too. Few soldiers were in Vietnam for more than 6 months unless they wanted to be. The standard tour of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan is now 12-18 months, and many soldiers have been ordered back for additional tours. So more soldiers are being pushed to their limit.

    2. Re:Not (intended) for PTSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or they could just give the patient 120 mg of MDMA and let them roll their ass off. Instant cure for PTSD. Too bad it has "No Medical Value"
      GG, DEA.

    3. Re:Not (intended) for PTSD by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Few soldiers were in Vietnam for more than 6 months unless they wanted to be.

      Where did you get that idea. The "year in the 'Nam" was absolutely standard, and hardly anybody got out earlier than that unless they were dead, wounded, or completely loony.

      --
      The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
    4. Re:Not (intended) for PTSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah!

      The Brain's the problem!

      Twist it around (thats "Mental Rotation", right? Or is it XYZ? Er, Quaternion Vortexes? ).

      Snip off all the pesky unnecessary (according to the good 'docs 'n nursies) parts.

      Wash it nice and shiny.

      Let it dry. Then reset and jumpstart again on a few kilovots.

      Or, chemically, whip up a smallish cocktail or two of propanolol, benzos, other rape drugs and 'zacs likes.

      Who needs valium, anymore?

      The mind's the matter. No mind.... Fox News, Shopping TV, and "normal" U.S.A.! Gurdjieff? Whatevere fore? :-)

    5. Re:Not (intended) for PTSD by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      We don't call it "shell shock" anymore because it isn't something that just happens to soldiers. My Father developed PTSD on the job as a police officer after a shooting incident where we was forced to take a young man's life in order to save his own.

      On that note, getting out of police work was probably the best thing that's ever happened to him. The "traditional military medicine model" forces the mentally disabled into life-or-death situations that they might not be able to handle due to the severity of the symptoms of PTSD; for my Father, when he tried to go back to work, he became unable to handle many calls that used to be routine for him.

    6. Re:Not (intended) for PTSD by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      Instant cure for PTSD

      If you want anyone to take you seriously, provide a citation, because this just sounds ignorant. PTSD results in the brain becoming mechanically unable to suppress the fight-or-flight response when the patient imagines the stressful incident. I doubt that a drug which does nothing more than temporarily induce euphoria can fix the brain's damaged fight-or-flight response.

    7. Re:Not (intended) for PTSD by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      "Other programs offered to treat PTSD include Virtual Airplane, Virtual Audiences, Virtual Heights, Virtual Storm, and Virtual Vietnam."

      All but the last are for desenstitization of phobias (as are those for snakes and spiders). The same programs would work for PTSD as they're simply VR of exposure to a particular situation, but I can't recall there ever being a case of audience-induced PTSD.

      Ah, I see, that makes more sense. I was kinda wondering how many people were traumatized by an audience.

      So, if say I had a phobia of airplanes, and at the same time say a phobia of snakes, then the most optimal treatment would be Virtual...?

      --

      The enemies of Democracy are
    8. Re:Not (intended) for PTSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, if say I had a phobia of airplanes, and at the same time say a phobia of snakes, then the most optimal treatment would be Virtual...?

      Virtual Samuel L. Jackson! In stores now!

    9. Re:Not (intended) for PTSD by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

      So, if say I had a phobia of airplanes, and at the same time say a phobia of snakes, then the most optimal treatment would be Virtual...?

      ... Valium?

      I know where you were headed. I saw Samuel L. Jackson interviewed by Jon Stewart, and they made ample use of the phrase. So did others. It got overused. To use it now would be cheap. So I refuse to say [Virtual] Snakes On A Motherfucking Plane.
      .
      .
      .
      .
      .
      .
      Oh damn.

      --
      "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
  25. Virtual Vietnam by incognito84 · · Score: 1

    I'm seen some (virtual) things man... I've seen some (virtual) things you wouldn't believe, man!

  26. waiting for virtual software release by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will we be able to simulate a software release in a controlled virtual environment to desensitize our programmers from the trauma of releasing bug ridden software onto our customers?

  27. a place of fear by auspiv · · Score: 1

    "You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world."

  28. New Yorker magazine scoops Slashdot! by newdsfornerds · · Score: 1

    The New Yorker had a story about Virtual Eyerack some months ago. Nice that slashdotters have caught up LUL

    --
    Damping absorbs vibrations. Dampening is caused by moisture.
  29. EMDR by Fished · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised that the summary makes no mention of EMDR. Speaking from personal experience, I've found that to be a very effective treatment for PTSD, and far less time-consuming than traditional approaches.

    --
    "He who would learn astronomy, and other recondite arts, let him go elsewhere. " -- John Calvin, commenting on Genesis 1
  30. Well duhh.. I thought that would work too until by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw this documentary....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dloyU83_2Yo

  31. So the fix is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That they're going to be playing Quake, right?

  32. zz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    zzz

  33. Thanks by McDutchie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Thank you for both of your posts. My sentiments exactly. I've actually had an American acquaintance of mine die of complications from undiagnosed diabetes because he couldn't get healthcare coverage in that lovely capitalist paradise. He was in his twenties and his death is frankly unnecessary and tragic.

    1. Re:Thanks by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Hey,don't blame us average guys,we know the system is total shit. Want proof just go into any ER and see how many of our poor have to use them for primary care because they can't afford health care. Unfortunately MSM has been paid off like our congress critters and anytime anyone suggests changing it we get 40 bazillion jokes like "Womb to the Tomb" that we got during Clinton. But as always this is my 02c,YMMV

      --
      ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
  34. ok by newr00tic · · Score: 0

    In Soviet-inspired DDR Kaiserslautern, girls get over you .

    --
    A horse can't be sick, you know, even if he wants to.
  35. oooh by Venture37 · · Score: 1

    when are they bringing out virtual republican presidential candidates?

    1. Re:oooh by Venture37 · · Score: 1

      followed up with the expansion pack virtual republican vice-president

  36. Other kinds of therapy by namayake · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was doing research on PTSD a few years back for personal reasons. The studies I found were quite shocking to say the least. PTSD isn't just caused by being on the battle field or having one major traumatic event happen. Most of the things people go to therapists for; depression, anxiety, trust issues, etc. are all symptoms of milder forms of trauma. It's all PTSD. Dr. Amen, one of the leading psychiatrists in the world on brain scanning technology has scanned thousands of people. The scans he does sense chemical-electric activity in the brain. What he's found is very, very few people actually have healthy brain activity; most people have suffered from trauma. The general populace seems to see it though as "that's life" rather than seeing mental illness as the plague of humanity. Mental illness is truly a disease as it's contagious; people tend to reenact their trauma and in doing so traumatize others. And most treatment is laughable to say the least. Different types of treatment were tested on Viet Nam vets. The combination of talk or cognitive therapy with pharmacolatherapy and relaxation exercises only had a 15% recovery rate.Then I discovered a fairly new therapy called EMDR (Eye Movement, Desensitization & Reprocessing). It was developed and has been tested since the mid-80's. The recovery rate was far higher; 85% of all patience diligently engaged in weekly sessions recovered. So the question is, why isn't there more media coverage of this? Why aren't more therapists trained in something that actually works?

    1. Re:Other kinds of therapy by piojo · · Score: 1

      Do you have any references for your assertion that we are all mentally ill? Forgive me for being skeptical, I do think "that's life."

      Could you explain the brain differences you allude to between healthy and unhealthy people? I have a hard time accepting your premise that, as I see it, is that most of us are in an unnatural state of being screwed up.

      --
      A cat can't teach a dog to bark.
    2. Re:Other kinds of therapy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [....] I discovered a fairly new therapy called EMDR (Eye Movement, Desensitization & Reprocessing). It was developed and has been tested since the mid-80's. The recovery rate was far higher; 85% of all patience diligently engaged in weekly sessions recovered. So the question is, why isn't there more media coverage of this? Why aren't more therapists trained in something that actually works?

      Because you can patent a pill and made a lot of money off it, but you can't easily patent a mode of therapy?

    3. Re:Other kinds of therapy by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I have a hard time accepting your premise that, as I see it, is that most of us are in an unnatural state of being screwed up.

      I dunno. Personally, I can't think of too many people I know who AREN'T screwed up.

      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
    4. Re:Other kinds of therapy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your implication that there is a conspiracy to prevent individuals from obtaining a powerful treatment for PTSD is misguided.

      EMDR is well publicized and well debated in the psychological community. It is essentially another form of exposure therapy (ET), similar in nature to the referenced VR technique. While EMDR shows positive results for PTSD treatment, it has not been found to be significantly different from more traditional exposure-based approaches. (see, for example this meta analysis.)

      In particular, the importance of "eye-movement" is not conclusively explained or validated as necessary for treatment. Thus, "what is effective in EMDR is not new, and what is new is not effective"

      The reason, perhaps, that EMDR is /not/ widely used, is because it is costly to become a "certified" practitioner (and, frankly, has some quacky characteristics). Since evidence to date suggests you're not gaining anything over ET, why should a therapist spend the time and money? Should evidence become clearer or the theorized mechanism of EMDR be validated independently, I'm certain EMDR will be more widely accepted. Until then, ET and its traditional variants will likely remain the treatment of choice for those who prefer evidence-based practices.

      Cheers

  37. Video game therapy?!?!?! by gsgriffin · · Score: 1

    OK. Read what is really going on. The therapist is helping the soldier relive his experience. In other words, pull a video game off the shelf, call the desert Iraq and begin playing together. Just keep telling your partner, "It's ok! I got you covered!" Cheap and fun therapy and he gets paid to do this.

    --
    jsut athnoer menagiensls ltitle psrhae for you to dcoede. Why do we wtsae our tmie dnoig tihs?
  38. So in the simulated version... by malv · · Score: 1

    do you find WMDs and the Iraqis greet you as liberator?

  39. EULAs? by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Traditionally the best treatment for [PTSD] â" being raped . . . is to have the person relive the trauma using his or her imagination . . .

    Now Clinical Psychologist Albert "Skip" Rizzo has developed a program that has had great success . . .

    Other programs offered to treat PTSD include Virtual Airplane, Virtual Audiences, Virtual Heights, Virtual Storm, and Virtual Vietnam."

    Or, for people who've been raped and need repeated exposure, AT&T have created a program called "our EULA"

  40. Re:Might work for some things... Recruiter? by davidsyes · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Before i prattle on...

    I wonder how many other people have been fucked by their recruiters, only to end up demoralized, deserting, and getting into constant trouble all to their detriment. All in all, i came out OK, but some people do NOT. Just back in 2007, some 3 to 5 US soldiers a DAY were attempting suicide in Iraq, and some 2,000 + attempts were documented. Many more than that might have and not be diagnosed as having PTSD and other issues on return to the US.

    For an interesting story of one soldier who had PTSD after serving in Iraq around 2007, listen to NPR (I think it was "This American Life" or another program about a US Solider who returned to the US and ended up joining his campus' Muslim group in order to deal with his trauma and personal issues that the US military could not directly help him cope with.

    "How about if Virtual Rape 1.0" applied to lazy recruiters and unsympathetic R&O (Receiving & Outfitting)/Indoc personnel's victims? My story is not NEARLY as painful as that of those who were shot at or had to kill because of being under orders to be where a fight was going to take place, but...

    In my 10th grade year (81-82:

    -- I was a member of the Henry Nichols Detachment of the Young Marines in Galveston
    -- I was a member of the Ball High Army Junior Reserve Officers Training Corps and in one year was promoted to Cadet Staff Sgt, was a member of the match rifle team, shot expert, and earned some 8 or 12 ribbons, made squad leader, and then moved on the San Jose

    From 11th through 12th grades (82-83, 83-84), i:

    -- was a member of the Milpitas High Navy JROTC unit, earning several more ribbons, and was on the color guard. We didn't have a match rifle team. Before being allowed to join the unit, I was forced to give up my rank attained in AJROTC, despite national rules stating that cadets could transfer to other branches' units and retain rank if military aptitude and other things were demonstrable. I was already intent on joining the USN (and did later). But, unit/teenager politics prevailed, and some cadets who outranked me and whom i don't recall actually joining the military didn't want me to appear from nowhere and outrank THEM. They even conspired to have the unit commander request me to remove my ribbons and not wear more than a few of them if they couldn't find a corresponding NJROTC ribbon or medal.

    After putting up with that bullshit for 2 years, I only made it to cadet Ensign, and had I stayed at Ball High, I would have been in line for battalion commander, from what I was told by one of my best friends who remained in the unit until we graduated (same ages/grades, but i left Galveston). I was Mr. A-Jay Squared Away, and the YM detachment commander and the JROTC commander were both squabbling over who had me first and which of their unit events took precedence over the other.

    When i signed up for the Delayed Entry program at the recruiting station at McKee Road in San Jose, the US Army, USMC AND the US Air Force recruiters were *begging* my recruiter (i had two of them, as one transitioned out) to let THEM have me, in trade for two or three of their own. They'd all seen or heard of me, and sometimes saw me in full uniform, with medals and ribbons, Corfam/Patent Leather shoes, sharp-crease ironed uniforms and so on.

    I filled out ALL the required paperwork my recruiter presented to me. I was eligible for early advancement to E-3 upon successful graduation of boot camp. But, ahhh, while I was placed in Drill Company because I was a member of the aforementioned military-affiliated units, my recruiter dicked up and did NOT process nor fill out any paperwork recognizing my service in the various units, and being stupid, i just *accepted* that the USN would do the right thing. It was painful, watching my fellow booters/shipmates with their paperwork all filled out properly getting their 3 stripes, yet i had to excel and outperform dozens of peers for over a YEAR after arriving at USS Flint (AE-32).

    After leaving San Diego aft

    --
    Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
  41. treatment or prevention? by retchdog · · Score: 1

    The next step is to use this pre-emptively as part of "training". A soldier exposed in advance to killing and extreme sensory input, will not only not need therapy later, but be more effective as his job.

    "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

    --
    "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
    1. Re:treatment or prevention? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I promise you this will not help in the least. The simulations work because the person was already exposed to trauma and they are reliving it. You can't pre-live it.

  42. It's called Basic Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seen Full Metal Jacket? Marine basic training isn't just to get someone's body in shape. It's to expose the mind to enormous amounts of stress and fatigue, to enable a person to continue functioning in those scenarios. The military academies do the same things. It's a simulation of war, not as tough as the real thing, but an attempt to do exactly what you describe, an ounce of prevention. And it DOES work, not everyone who goes to war get's PTSD.

    Unfortunately, the same people who have made the traditional sarcastic comments on the subject here are also the same people who think it's damaging to have recruits get 'yelled at' because it's too stressful.

  43. Happy^2Joy^2BorgNation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great, another one to add to a long list.

    Next, in tomorrow's news....

    Fortunately, really dangerous stuff, like pot, or country moonshine, is very verbotten.

    Congratulations, then, to our new absolutely guiltless overfolk.

    The Old Man on the Mountain would be (or is) certainly proud of all these so very humane endeavours.

    Prosit!

  44. Weird form of PTSD by skroops · · Score: 1

    Other programs offered to treat PTSD include Virtual Airplane, Virtual Audiences, Virtual Heights, Virtual Storm, and Virtual Vietnam."

    I'm pretty sure that if if you have PTSD from falling great distances, you have alot more to worry about than PTSD.

  45. One promising medical treatment for PTSD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... is a subclass of phenethylamine-based medication that incorporates methylenedioxymethamphetamine or MDMA (seriously!), and it used to be used for this until the US had it criminalized. It's currently being evaluated in a number of trials, most still in progress.

    (Cue flame wars).

  46. PTSD: Post Technical Support Disorder by RazzleDazzle · · Score: 1
    --
    ZERO ZERO ONE ZERO ONE ZERO ONE ONE! Just brushing up for my next big invention: Ethernet over Voice (EoV)
  47. Miracleman: The Golden Age by hachete · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure something like this was part of the story in Miracleman: The Golden Age. The plot involved taking cold war spies and putting them in a recreation of East Germany.

    --
    Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious
  48. I wrote the software, but Skip gets the glory ;) by Pengueiro · · Score: 1

    I know its the way of the world in academia that the PI gets the glory, but on here I'll pull out my tin cup...

    I worked at ICT for several years up til this march on Virtual Iraq. I'm a video game programmer by trade and did work on the renderer, collision system, networking,user interface, and AI agent system for controlling the in game agents. I designed and wrote Maya tools and a scripting system for artists to help put together scenarios, wrote the on disk installer, and really was the only engineer on the project for several years, although my friend Anton did the stereoscopic effects and a fine job mentoring me. There was also a codebase in existence when I showed up the first time, if that is what one might call it ;)

    I'm hoping to return to UCLA for the Phd or find another lab to work in; artificial intelligence is my field. At the moment though I'm moonlighting on a short term project and remain hopeful...

  49. Re:Might work for some things... Recruiter? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

    ... What the fuck was that?

    I've already posted so I can't mod you 'off topic', but that has NOTING to do with PTSD at ALL.

    Hell, the story doesn't even have an ending! It just stops!

    --
    Finally had enough. Come see us over at https://soylentnews.org/
  50. There are a couple on the market already by davidbrit2 · · Score: 1

    Virtua Fighter, Virtua Racing, Virtua Tennis...

  51. Money talks by knutkracker · · Score: 1

    Interesting how this very expensive technology is being used to do what can be achieved easily using a cheaply produced drug. The goal of the therapy is to re-experience the taumatic memory without being overcome by fear, so that you can re-evaluate and process the experience. Far more effective to temporarily disable the parts of your mind that feel fear and pain during therapy and its a proven technique. Unfortunately, the drug in question is currently illegal.

    Ironic that the fear and anxiety of the population at large about 'drugs' means that fear and anxiety in individuals is far harder to treat than it needs to be.

  52. video game therapy? by nimbius · · Score: 1

    i can imagine this devolving into face-humping, bunny hopping, CTF, and alot of TK..cant we just use drugs instead?!

    --
    Good people go to bed earlier.
  53. Took me 6 months... by g0bshiTe · · Score: 1

    To get through Virtual Valerie.

    --
    I am Bennett Haselton! I am Bennett Haselton!
  54. SlashPoll? by Migraineman · · Score: 1

    What, no Virtual CowboyNeal option?

    1. Re:SlashPoll? by Experiment+626 · · Score: 1

      That's what Goatse.cx is for.

    2. Re:SlashPoll? by Migraineman · · Score: 1

      I don't see how that's going to help my Post Traumatic CowboyNeal Exposure Syndrome ... However, I'm certain that any of the big pharma cartels would be happy to medicate me.

  55. A Clockwork Orange? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remind anyone else?

    1. Re:A Clockwork Orange? by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      No, because that was the exact opposite.

  56. Am I the only one by proind · · Score: 1

    who read it as "Traditionally the best treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder [PTSD] is being raped"?

    --
    When Geiger counters are outlawed, only mutants will have Geiger counters
  57. Virtual Valerie by BillBrasky · · Score: 1

    And the treatment for PTSD after a bad girlfriend? Virtual Valerie!

  58. Immediate PTSD Application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will they have Virtual Election ready for Beta test?

  59. A few minor corrections- by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

    -exposure, ie. "return to the battlefield as soon as possible"

    When you have PTSD, there is a difference in returning to the actual battlefield and returning home. The coping mechanisms and traits that you learned on the battlefield are almost by definition very well suited to life on the battlefield; e.g., avoiding wide open spaces, keeping your weapon at the ready, sleeping in body armor, keeping your bags packed, hitting the deck pronto if you hear explosions, etc.

    Those traits don't always emotionally expose themselves on the battlefield except as a dull fatigue and apathy. And once the soldier returns home, gets over the big homecoming storm of emotions, and tries to settle into a normal routine- that is when the problems begin. The soldier has been changed from a round peg into a triangle peg and is unable to fit his role in life. This part takes from 6 months to a year to manifest itself. It can come as a surprise to the soldier and to the soldier's family/friends, especially since they might notice it before the soldier does.

    I won't go into a big discussion of the symptoms of PTSD. But for the remainder of this discussion I'll disclose that I do fit the textbook descriptions of PTSD: I stick to cover, I shop at night when there are fewer people around, I avoid family gatherings, I avoid talking to anyone who knows anything about who I was prior to my deployments, I sleep with three loaded guns under the bed, one next to the door, one in the silverware drawer, and the rest in condition 3 in cases. I have my deployment kit ready to go, right next to the door, and I tell people that I just leave it there so I can put my keys on it.

    OK I'm getting off topic.
    Here's the deal: Returning to a normal state of mind from wartime PTSD means that you need to readdress those old stimuli (bangs, sirens, crying children, burning garbage) and instead of thinking BANG, "OMG I'm going to die," you need to think, "Backfire/July 4th/deer season/etc."

    It is very difficult to do that when your life WAS on the line and now it isn't. Try telling your brain that, OK, maybe BEFORE it was reasonable to think that an explosion was cause for alarm because you saw explosions kill people. Makes sense, I know. But now here in sunny boringville, explosions ain't no thang. They ain't no thang but a chicken waing. And THAT the problem facing chaplains and therapists (and families) since war began.

    This VR device walks you step-by-step through a situation, all the while under the therapists observation. You would be answering questions the whole time: How does this make you feel? What do you imagine is around this corner? I noticed that you are hiding in a staircase; why is that? And so on. The point of all this is to make the brain aware of what it's doing and rearrange major parts of itself.

    This task is difficult; I'd compare it to the task of convincing a xtian that god doesn't exist or, to be fair, convincing an atheist that god does exist. You're talking about changing who a person IS in a major way. The only thing that makes this cognitive therapy somewhat more effective than proselytizing is that it's based on facts and not faith, at least to some degree. The point of the therapy is to get a soldier to the point where he isn't acting like he's still on the battlefield. The therapist's job is to point out the differences.

    I hope this helps someone. And any vets that read this: look up your local VA or vet center. There's no shame in getting help.

    -B out.

    --
    No offense, but I've stopped responding to AC's.
    1. Re:A few minor corrections- by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

      I hope this helps someone. And any vets that read this: look up your local VA or vet center. There's no shame in getting help.

      -B out.

      I go to Mountain Home VAMC in Johnson City TN. Reckon they can help me? I need help trying to figure out where anything you said comprises a correction to what I said (as you changed the subject to indicate). Looks more like you used a piece of a phrase for a jumping off point to express some good but barely relevant pieces of information and some fairly relevant tangents.

      --
      "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
    2. Re:A few minor corrections- by greyhueofdoubt · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I was referring to:

      the above tends to support the traditional military medicine model for treating "shell shock" and "battle fatigue" (as PTSD was know for the past century) by exposure, ie. "return to the battlefield as soon as possible"

      I thought that what you meant was that the best therapy for a soldier was to get them back into battlefield mode, either by deploying them again or by letting them pretend that they were still in the battlefield at home. I was saying (in a roundabout way, I suppose) that there is a small but critical difference between returning to the battlefield with the same pathology and returning home and working through the pathology by "keeping the battle alive". I guess I'm having a hard time putting it into words... My understanding was that you were making the VR Iraq out to be video game that allowed soldiers to continue their battlefield emotions instead of resolving them, and I was put into this state of mind by the dozens of up-modded comments that said essentially that. I apologize for the misunderstanding, and I apologize for letting my unchecked emotions rule my comment. I just get fed up with armchair soldiers/psychoanalysts who think that playing Call of Duty makes them qualified to tell me how to deal with my memories. I think I just read too much into your comment. Again, I'm sorry. It looks like I need to go to group more often.

      -b

      --
      No offense, but I've stopped responding to AC's.
  60. EFT by CNTOAGN · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The simple techniques of EFT (http://www.emofree.com/) seem to have a very positive affect on all types of emotionally charged internal problems. In the cases of treating PTSD, it has been extremely affective. My son is in the army and will be deployed next spring - I've talked with him about this and shown him how it works - I hope that it will help when he encounters the problems of being "on" 24/7 for months at a time.

  61. And the Result is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Desensitizing someone may not be the best solution. This is a one step away from empathy and toward phycopathy.

    If on the other hand it desensitizes their reaction to that single episode rather than the world I guess it could be a net posititve.

  62. Erm right... by Karem+Lore · · Score: 1

    If I had just been buggered/raped by a 6ft taliban, the last thing I would want is to relive it in minute detail...

    --
    When all is said and done, nothing changes...
  63. MDMA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MDMA is a treatment more applicable to situations other than Iraq veterans and with less emotional suffering.

    http://www.maps.org/

    Also, on the same site as TFA:
    http://discovermagazine.com/2008/jun/16-could-an-acid-trip-cure-your-ocd

  64. I wonder if.... by ikeman32 · · Score: 1

    Not to make lite of the problems others have with PTSD but wouldn't a virtual Iraq create a virtual PTSD?