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Stanford Teaching MBAs How To Fight Open Source

mjasay writes "As if the proprietary software world needed any help, two business professors from Harvard and Stanford have combined to publish 'Divide and Conquer: Competing with Free Technology Under Network Effects,' a research paper dedicated to helping business executives fight the onslaught of open source software. The professors advise 'the commercial vendor ... to bring its product to market first, to judiciously improve its product features, to keep its product "closed" so the open source product cannot tap into the network already built by the commercial product, and to segment the market so it can take advantage of a divide-and-conquer strategy.' The professors also suggest that 'embrace and extend' is a great model for when the open source product gets to market first. Glad to see that $48,921 that Stanford MBAs pay being put to good use. Having said that, such research is perhaps a great, market-driven indication that open source is having a serious effect on proprietary technology vendors."

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  1. Reminds me of Microsoft by springbox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    to bring its product to market first, to judiciously improve its product features, to keep its product "closed" so the open source product cannot tap into the network already built by the commercial product

    Reminds me of Microsoft's strategy. Except for the "judicious improvement," and it doesn't seem like it will work for them in the long term anyway.

    1. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by Fluffeh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What makes me laugh is that there is such an "Us Vs Them" tone in all of it. It's like the nice business people think that all the open source guys are just waiting to kill their babies! I mean settle down.

      Make money and make a reputation through making and marketing GOOD STABLE WORKING software. Don't try to do it by making a big bag of shit and blocking anyone trying to compete.

      Oh, hang on, yes, now I see the potential problem for the business types...

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    2. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by wellingj · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not the real business types, just the non-engineer business types who can't provide value any other way.

    3. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by exley · · Score: 5, Funny

      What makes me laugh is that there is such an "Us Vs Them" tone in all of it.

      Right. And the discussion below won't have a similar tone... :)

    4. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by Repossessed · · Score: 5, Funny

      What makes me laugh is that there is such an "Us Vs Them" tone in all of it. It's like the nice business people think that all the open source guys are just waiting to kill their babies!

      Wait, thats not our ultimate goal? I dedicated my life to a lie!

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    5. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's like the nice business people think that all the open source guys are just waiting to kill their babies! I mean settle down.

      I agree, they really have nothing to worry about in this regard. The open source baby killing project is not even in beta yet, and there are compatibility and dependency issues that will keep it out of the linux kernel for quite some time. The closed-source world, especially Microsoft, is years ahead of OSS when it comes to infant termination software. But if there's anyone out there in slashdot-land who would like to lend a hand please grab the sources from freshmeat and pitch in!

    6. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by calmofthestorm · · Score: 3, Funny

      Our Mulch-o-Tron 5000 satisfies over 9000 best business practices and is ISO infinity certified. What better way to protect your company from the legal dangers of open source?

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    7. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you need a professor to tell you to make good software to make good software, you aren't actually making good software and being told to do so likely won't change that. If being a professor is all about writing common sense articles like that, I got a bunch of them here for other business types:

      Doctors: Please help your patients with their ailments.
      Taxi-Drivers: Please take your fare to where they would like to go without taking too many detours.
      Software Developers: Please make good software.

      Hey! I'm a professor!

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    8. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by bh_doc · · Score: 5, Funny

      grab the sources from freshmeat

      I always wondered why they called it that...

    9. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by rwyoder · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's like the nice business people think that all the open source guys are just waiting to kill their babies!

      Well, they *have* been known to kill their wives. :-(

    10. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by Requiem18th · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You are of course wrong in the business sense:

      Doctors: Keep your patients sick but convincing that they are improving if they just keep coming to them.
      Taxi-Drivers: Take the longest route possible, always.
      Software Developers: Lock in your customers in every conceivable way.

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    11. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 5, Funny

      I.e business types.

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    12. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by vigmeister · · Score: 5, Funny

      The closed-source world, especially Microsoft, is years ahead of OSS when it comes to infant termination software

      Well... my copy just failed with a Vaginal Ring of Death... I demand a 3 year warranty and diapers for my newborn...

      Cheers!

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    13. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, idiot, you're not supposed to kill the babies. After you kill the bastards, you kidnap their babies and raise them to your ideals.

    14. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 5, Funny

      Quite the opposite! It's them vs. us.

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    15. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by keeboo · · Score: 2, Funny

      And just where does this "freshmeat" come from? Hmm?

      Much of it from gnus it seems.
      Unfortunately they're overexploiting that so I suspect that nowadays most of the meat is not even real gnu, but generic gnu-flavored beef instead.

    16. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by ciaran.mchale · · Score: 2, Funny

      The open source baby killing project is not even in beta yet [...]

      The Apache team have already added a new feature. After killing the baby, they take its scalp.

      This is what I love about open-source software. When you have a bunch of committed developers, you end up with a killer application.

    17. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by knutkracker · · Score: 2

      whoops, just modded 'redundant' accidentally. Posting to reverse. If anyone else has spare points, it should have been 'insightful'.

    18. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by zotz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "What makes me laugh is that there is such an "Us Vs Them" tone in all of it. It's like the nice business people think that all the open source guys are just waiting to kill their babies! I mean settle down."

      See, I think they are focusing on the wrong businessmen.

      When are the other professors in the department(s) going to offer a course teaching how businessmen can use Free Software to make profits for their company? Never mind those guys in the other course who want you to reduce your bottom line for their benefit. Do the right thing for your company.

      I just had a wild idea that I will write up a bit more on:

      http://zotzbro.blogspot.com/

      But in a nutshell, how about we start to make Free Music but geared for elevator music needs and music on hold needs. Perhaps the good profs can extend the course to cover the needs of the current elevator music folks as well.

      Then (perhaps) businessmen will see the parallels.

      all the best,

      drew

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    19. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by psbrogna · · Score: 2, Funny

      You just know somewhere in a laboratory deep underground in Seattle there's a team of scientists working on sending an advanced cybernetic assassin back in time to locate Linus Torvalds ... Coming Soon: "T4: The Redemption"

    20. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by Shotgun · · Score: 2, Funny

      I have argued this over and over, but you never listen. The baby killing doesn't belong in the kernel. It should be a user space program. Keeping the code in the kernel removes the user's ability to remove the code if they are morally opposed to baby killing, whereas others would prefer to set different limits on how long child processes are allowed to continue before being killed.

      Why is this so hard to understand?

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    21. Re:Reminds me of Microsoft by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Doctors: Keep your patients sick but convincing that they are improving if they just keep coming to them.

      This is a true story - about fifteen years ago I got X-rayed after an auto accident, and the doctor, looking at the pics, remarked that I had arthritis in my spine. I said yes, I've had it since I was a teenager.

      "When are you going to come up with a cure for that?" I asked him.

      "We don't do cures," he said, "the money's in treatments".

  2. confusion by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The professors advise 'the commercial vendor

    So many obviously smart people confuse proprietary with commercial. The two are orthogonal. Back in the 90s this might have been academic, but there are now many commercial open source companies. Get with the program.

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    1. Re:confusion by postbigbang · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's hope for a balance. I see more *buntu and Macs used by CS students. In the great scheme of things, MBAs will learn that there are multiple possible models for success in development organizations.

      Proprietary software makes money. Don't confuse making money with success, however. Like other methods of making money, proprietary software is transient in nature, just as open software is.

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    2. Re:confusion by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not only that, but these are companies you have actually heard of. Sun Microsystems, IBM, and Google are all companies that produce open source software and actually make money from it. Not to mention pure open source companies like Zope and Zend.

    3. Re:confusion by RiffRafff · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The author also doesn't understand (or refuses to acknowledge) the different definitions of "free," and as such, misses some of the major points of why more and more people are using FOSS.

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    4. Re:confusion by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Umm. My MBA Program talks rather fondly of Open Source Software, for the most part. They just make you analysis the benefits in a business perspective, and try to decide when an Open Source product is worth it, or getting a closed source app may be a better overall value. About 1/3 of the MBA class are Computer Science or Engineering Majors for their Undergrad and know about Linux and open source and use them. There are also differernt classes of MBA as well.
      While the degree is the same.
      You have Ivy League Full Time MBA. These tend to make the biggest Jerks of bosses. These Kids think they are special and entitled and tend to treat people under them like dirt while they bring the company to the ground.
      Next it is the Ivy League Part TIme MBA. These guys often have real business experience and know what it feels to be the little guy. But being from such a well known school they still often get high end jobs much quicker then their experience shows and still kill the company.
      Full Time normal college MBA. Yea they are Jerks too. However companies wont put them in top positions to kill the company, until the get the real experience.
      Finnaly the Part Time Normal College MBA. These guys are not in it to be the CEO just a manager. Tend to be less of jerks and start as low managers and work they way up. Tend to be the guys you can deal with.

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    5. Re:confusion by WarJolt · · Score: 2, Informative

      Good point. Most people don't know that for $250 a year you can get Desktop support from Canonical, the company who owns *buntu trademarks. They'll even do engineering for you for a fee.

    6. Re:confusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only that, but these are companies you have actually heard of. Sun Microsystems, IBM, and Google are all companies that produce open source software and actually make money from it.

      What the heck is Google doing in that list. They pretty much exclusively make money from AdSense and their search algorithms. Care to point me to where I can download the source for that? Nope, you don't even get to see the object code. You have to hand over your data to them to process in their super-closed system.

    7. Re:confusion by EggyToast · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm experiencing the same things you are in my MBA program. Many of the tech-oriented classes make a special point to illustrate uses of open source software -- as much as textbooks and older professors can, of course. They do a good job of pointing out that the main drawback of open source is that there's often little support, or the support makes it cost as much as a commercial solution, so it's not a "silver bullet" option. But that in many cases, it can be used in place of otherwise commercial apps.

      In other words, what's been taught is "evaluate the software on its own merits, and how it will affect future growth," which is pretty standard "be a good manager" ideas but is reassuring to hear in a classroom setting. I'm one of the more tech-savvy students in my classes, but it's nice that it's not all just "buy this and that and you'll have an enterprise-class system for your small business."

    8. Re:confusion by Crazyswedishguy · · Score: 3, Informative

      You have Ivy League Full Time MBA. These tend to make the biggest Jerks of bosses. These Kids think they are special and entitled and tend to treat people under them like dirt while they bring the company to the ground.
      Next it is the Ivy League Part TIme MBA. These guys often have real business experience and know what it feels to be the little guy. But being from such a well known school they still often get high end jobs much quicker then their experience shows and still kill the company.

      Wow, someone here sure sounds a little frustrated.

      You fail to consider that what you call "Ivy League Full Time MBAs" have an average age of 27-28, meaning generally 5-6 years of business experience. Also, given the tough requirements to get in to one of the top 5-10 MBA schools (I'm sure you weren't only referring to Ivies, but also for instance Sloan, Stanford and Kellogg), these are already overachievers by the time they start their MBA. They've already climbed fast, worked their asses off, and gained much more experience than most people. And they're smart.

      I'm pretty sure that if graduates from top MBAs consistently ran companies into the ground, companies wouldn't be hiring them, and they wouldn't be top MBA schools anymore.

      Let's face it, these guys are either smarter (maybe not in all aspects, but with respect to their work) or more devoted to their work than you are, and that's why they succeed and are paid huge salaries. No need to be bitter.

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    9. Re:confusion by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Funny

      - Are extroverted. Make an effort to show themselves as friendly to people in general.

      Kill them. Kill them with fire.

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    10. Re:confusion by DrSkwid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Open Source benefits form economies of scale just like other tools and machinery. Eventually it becomes cost effective to have motor mechanics to service your fleet of vehicles rather than being done by a third party. In which case buying vehicles for which detailed schematics are available would be advantageous. I think people get too emotional regarding the open/closed software debate. Sometimes it's just easier to buy a hammer than a hammer making kit.

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    11. Re:confusion by PitaBred · · Score: 2

      I've seen studies that show that there's a much higher incidence of sociopathic disorders in management like that as compared to the "regular" workers. There's a reason they climb high... they don't care who they step on to get up there.

    12. Re:confusion by vajorie · · Score: 2, Informative

      Let's face it, these guys [from Ivy League] are either smarter (maybe not in all aspects, but with respect to their work) or more devoted to their work than you are, and that's why they succeed and are paid huge salaries.

      Ahh, the great meritocracy of the American Dream. Ignoring race, class, gender (even though you catched it with you 'generic he' usage), nationality and so on and in-linked systems of oppression... priceless, literally.

    13. Re:confusion by oldhack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually I have learned quit a bit from my MBA training. Primarily the fact that the world is far more complicated then most people think. Management is about controlling many layers of cause and effects. Being a lot of these layers are actual human beings causes this to have more random elements into it.

      If you put in a few years at any decent-sized company, you would've learned it from practice instead of discussing case studies/"theories" in classroom. Except some economics theory, there is no theory in business - in business, it's all practice. My apology to Yogi for that.

      I was told GE's program is exactly that - learning from practice. But I admit ignorance about GE's - I didn't go through it, and I only know two guys who went into that. Perhaps they do overboard with six sigma and Neutron Jack tendencies.

      As well ever since Enron there has been a large focus on ethics training as well.

      Yeah, how's that working out. So were you the only one not cracking jokes about that course?

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  3. Good! by MarkvW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Knowing the enemy's potential avenues of attack is a wonderful asset. It makes counter-attacking and defending much easier.

    1. Re:Good! by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ok, tell me, in general in a company (not even a software company) why are most programs written? A) To make a million in sales B) To fix a need that the company has so it can run better. The answer is B. Most software developed by companies is in-house software. Meaning, that even if all software was open source tomorrow, those people would still have jobs developing software.

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    2. Re:Good! by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      because open source companies don't want to make money? if so somebody better tell MySQL AB and Trolltech. they're doing a horrible job of it.

    3. Re:Good! by deraj123 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't software authors have a right to get paid... just like any other profession?

      Yep, they sure do. I am one. And I get paid. And I only write open source software.

      I provide a service, and that is to make their systems work the way they want them to. Most code is either too specific to the business to provide a competitive edge to somebody else, or its so generic that exposing it to the world can only help improve it.

    4. Re:Good! by TehZorroness · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not neccesarily. This argument is commonly abused. Capital is needed for the production of certain (a few, certainly not all - as we know) creative works. Commercial films and software would be nothing like what they are today without capital to pay the developers for all their efforts. It is therefor logical to charge a fee for reproduction in order to repay the debt that development incurred. It's also not too impolite to try to make a profit.

      There is a point where all these things start to go wrong. These companies will all start to try to maintain monopoly status, and sabotage competition in any way possible. They will hold on to a work which is long out of date (particularly the movie industry, but software companies also do this) and continue to milk the population long after the initial debt has been made and several people have become filthy rich. They will completely ignore market situations and the customer's needs and charge whatever they want for their products.

      Software is one of those products that does not require a lot of equipment to produce, just a lot of time. There are plenty of people in this world who have way too much time on their hands (damn I wish I was one of these) and invest it in free software. Over the years free software has evolved to be surprise competition in the software market which used to be (and still is, depending on your views) the playground of Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Adobe, ect, ect. Since there is now competition, it would seem logical for the price of this commercial software to drop - but to avoid that, we apparently designed a whole college course on how to break all the rules and play unfair.

      I threw away another couple mod points to write this :/

    5. Re:Good! by falconwolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whenever you pay more than the distribution cost for a piece of software, it is overpriced. Zeros and ones does not cost anything to produce, more than the duplication and transfer cost.

      Programmers don't need to eat?

      Falcon

    6. Re:Good! by GaryPatterson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll deliver all the zeros and ones you could ever want, but if you want me to make them do something, you're going to have to pay.

      Hell, atoms are everywhere. Lots of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and trace elements free for the taking! Why pay anyone for anything?

    7. Re:Good! by dangitman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As others have said, generally a company hires a software developer to develop some software that will make the company's life easier - not so they can profit from the distribution of that software.

      But that's not always appropriate. General-purpose tools being a good example. How useful would Photoshop, for example, be if it were written only to fulfill the needs of one particular company?

      There's also the case to be made that software developed in-house for one specific company tends to be the most awful software of all. So, I think software in general is better off because some companies make their money from producing and distributing general-purpose software. It also provides F/OSS with some goals to strive for.

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    8. Re:Good! by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nit-pit: you generally need or want maintenance/support on your proprietary software, so it's not a one-off cost to acquire it, but a yearly or three-yearly license/maintenance fee. Thus, comparing an 80k purchase to an 80k salary isn't quite fair. However, that's irrelevant.

      Most paid programmers work for consultancies that hire out their services for relatively short-term contracts in order to solve particular business needs. i.e. you don't go out and hire a full-time permanent programmer in order to write you something; instead, you pay another company to write it for you. If you need changes made, you hire them again (or someone else). Yes, this is like buying a proprietary software package, but the difference being it's only for use and not useful enough outside of your business for anyone to actually want to sell.

      Think of it like most other IT jobs. Small businesses don't usually hire a fulltime systems/network administrator to manage their 10 desktops and an Exchange server; they pay another company to provide that resource when they need it. If you're a really big company that does need lots of internal software, then you might hire permanent programmers because there's always processes that could be improved upon, or you might have sufficient internal apps that there's always bugs and improvements to be made, and so on. But most businesses would simply hire on an as-needed basis.

      The question then is, if you're a consultancy providing programmers for hire, why would you give away the software you write for clients? It makes more sense to hoard it so you can re-sell it to others at near original price, while actually only doing some quick customisation. The bigger your pool of software, the less actual work you need to do in order to satisfy customer needs. That means you can either undercut your competition (in terms of time to completion and/or price), or simply make craploads of profit.

      I think the answer is probably: you'd do that if everyone else was doing it. So what you'll find is a small number of "open source consultants" customising open source packages to fit their clients needs, and being able to undercut the proprietary shops because of it. Once this is happening enough, formerly proprietary places will start using OSS as well because they're finding it too hard to win contracts since they have to charge so much more. From there, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

  4. Jest not! by Ash-Fox · · Score: 4, Funny

    What happened to all open source software is crap arguments?

    Surely companies likes Microsoft were not jesting!

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  5. Competition is good by Chapter80 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I don't see an issue with this. I know I'll get modded down to oblivion, but I see no problem with teaching people A method to compete in the market place.

    I'd actually be disappointed if information like this weren't being taught in Silicon Valley!

    1. Re:Competition is good by nomadic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is not.

      Why not?

    2. Re:Competition is good by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Competition is good, but bad teaching is not. Proprietary software is going downhill. Just about every major software vendor that remains proprietary is losing marketshare and money. Teaching people how to "combat" open source software is like teaching people how to "combat" C and claim that COBOL is the language of the future. Its not going to work. Open source is the future, proprietary software is dying.

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    3. Re:Competition is good by aweraw · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This course isn't about how to compete in a market. It's about how to control one... if you control the market, you're in a pretty good position to be "unfair" to your competitors - and to that end, this course appears to encourage that

      Zed Shaw is right: fuck the ABG

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    4. Re:Competition is good by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I call it American-style competition. Instead of making a better product or giving the customer what they want, they work to crush the competition and give the customer no choice but to buy their product. The purpose of competition in markets is to give the customers what they want at the best possible price.. as soon as your goals vary from that you're no longer a part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

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    5. Re:Competition is good by clodney · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But realize that to the huge majority of the world, and certainly to the majority of business executives, there is no moral stigma attached to proprietary/closed software. Just as the GPL exists to enforce the wishes of the copyright holder on all downstream consumers, there is nothing morally wrong with a company offering its products for sale on its own terms - specifically with no rights to the source.

      Given two morally equivalent choices, won't business people always opt for the one with the greater return on investment?

      Proprietary software has paid my mortgage for many years. I am skeptical that open source would generate the same standard of living for me.

    6. Re:Competition is good by artor3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Proprietary software is going downhill. Just about every major software vendor that remains proprietary is losing marketshare and money." Care to cite some examples? Last I checked, proprietary OS's dominate the desktop market. No one I know uses open source CAD tools for any project of significance. Video games are, of course, closed source. Certainly, there are markets where open source is dominant, or at least competitive, but there are plenty of markets where it hasn't even made a dent.

      Those markets are profitable for closed source companies, and it is in the best interest of employees and shareholders of those companies to keep it that way. So how is it "bad teaching" to instruct future managers on how to compete? Would it be better to teach them to roll over?

      But let's be honest. When you say, "Open source is the future, proprietary software is dying," it is not because that's the way it is. It's because that's the way you want it to be.

    7. Re:Competition is good by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Proprietary software is going downhill. Just about every major software vendor that remains proprietary is losing marketshare and money.
      .

      I wonder.

      Microsoft seems to be weathering the financial storms rather well - and there are others which come to mind.

      With investors fleeing from the corporate bond market, this seems an odd time for Microsoft to be borrowing money, but the software maker is planning to do just that, taking advantage of its status as one of the tech sector's bluest blue chips.

      The Microsoft announcement had some interesting elements, including the news that it would seek to raise funds in the debt market. The company does not currently have any bonds outstanding.

      Crowell, Weedon analyst James D. Ragan said that although Microsoft has plenty of cash and doesn't need to tap the debt markets, it may be able to borrow at lower rates than the interest it earns. Also, Ragan said, Microsoft may be ensuring the debt authority is in place for the future but may not plan on using it immediately. "It will be interesting to see how much of the debt they really use."

      On Monday, rating agencies Standard & Poor's and Moody's put triple-A gradings on Microsoft's credit. That top-level rating means that Microsoft can borrow money at lower interest rates than most other companies. "The company's strong credit quality coupled with investors' current appetite for high-quality paper provides a unique opportunity for the company to establish its first-ever commercial paper program and enhance its capital structure," said George Zinn, treasurer of Microsoft. Microsoft Shows Its Financial Muscle

    8. Re:Competition is good by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, because Red Hat, Mandriva, and SuSE aren't corporate entities competing for users at all

      You forgot Ubuntu.

      You also forgot: 2X, 64 Studio, Absolute, AbulÉdu, ADIOS, Alinex, AliXe, ALT, Ankur Bangla, AnNyung, Arch, ArcheOS, Archie, Ark, ArtistX, AsianLinux, Asianux, ASPLinux, Astaro, Aurora, AUSTRUMI, B2D, BackTrack, Bayanihan, BeaFanatIX, BeleniX, Berry, Big Linux, BinToo, BioBrew, blackPanther, BLAG, Bluewhite64, BOSS, BU Linux, Burapha, Caixa Mágica, cAos, Càtix, CCux, CDlinux, Censornet, CentOS, ClarkConnect, Clonezilla, Clusterix, clusterKNOPPIX, College, Comfusion, Condorux, Coyote, CRUX, Damn Small, DANIX, DARKSTAR, Debian, Deep-Water, DeLi, Devil, Dizinha, DNALinux, Draco, Dreamlinux, dyne:bolic, Dzongkha, eAR OS, easys, eduKnoppix, EduLinux, Ehad, Ekaaty, eLearnix, Elive, elpicx, ELX, Endian, EnGarde, Epidemic, ERPOSS, Euronode, Everest, Evinux, EzPlanet One, Famelix, FaunOS, Fedora, Fermi, Finnix, Fluxbuntu, Foresight, Freedows, Freeduc, FreeNAS, FreeSBIE, Freespire, Frenzy, Frugalware, FTOSX, GeeXboX, Gelecek, Gentoo, GentooTH, Gentoox, GEOLivre, Gibraltar, gNewSense, GNIX, gnuLinEx, GNUstep, GoblinX, GoboLinux, gOS, GParted, Grafpup, Granular, Greenie, grml, Guadalinex, Hacao, Helix, Hiweed, Honeywall, How-Tux, IDMS, Impi, IndLinux, Inquisitor, INSERT, Insigne, IPCop, JackLab, JoLinux, Julex, K12LTSP, Kaella, Kalango, KANOTIX, Karamad, Karoshi, KateOS, K-DEMar, Kiwi, Knoppel, Knopperdisk, KNOPPIX, KnoppMyth, KnoSciences, Komodo, Kubuntu, Kurumin, Kwort, L.A.S., LFS, LG3D, Linguas OS, LinnexOS, Linpus, LinuxConsole, Linux-EduCD, linuX-gamers, Linux+ Live, LinuxTLE, Linux XP, Litrix, LiveCD Router, LiVux, LliureX, Loco, Lunar, Magic, MAX, Mayix, Media Lab, MEPIS, MilaX, Mint, Miracle, MirOS, MoLinux, Momonga, Muriqui, Murix, Musix, Mutagenix, Myah OS, myLinux, Myrinix, Mythbuntu, MythDora, Nature's, NeoShine, NepaLinux, NetSecL, Nexenta, Niigata, NimbleX, Nitix, Nonux, Novell SLE, NST, nUbuntu, NuxOne, Olive, OLPC, Omoikane, O-Net, Openfiler, OpenGEU, OpenLab, OpenLX, openmamba, OpenNA, openSUSE, Openwall, Ophcrack, Oracle, PAIPIX, paldo, PapugLinux, Pardus, Parsix, Parted Magic, PCLinuxOS, PC/OS, PelicanHPC, Penguin Sleuth, Pentoo, pfSense, Phayoune, Pie Box, Pilot, Pingo, Pingwinek, Pioneer, Plamo, PLD, Poseidon, pQui, Protech, PUD, Puppy, QiLinux, RAYS, Red Flag, redWall, Resulinux, RIPLinuX, ROCK, Rocks Cluster, RoFreeSBIE, ROSLIMS, rPath, RUNT, Sabayon, SAM, SaxenOS, SchilliX, Scientific, Securepoint, Shift, sidux, Skolelinux, Slackintosh, Slackware, Slamd64, SLAMPP, Slax, SliTaz, SME Server, SmoothWall, SoL, Sorcerer, Source Mage, StartCom, STD, StressLinux, STUX, SuliX, SuperGamer, Swecha, Syllable, Symphony OS, SystemRescue, T2, TA-Linux, TEENpup, TFM, Thinstation, Thisk, Tilix, TinyMe, tinysofa, Topologilinux, Trinity, Trisquel, trixbox, Truva, TumiX, TupiServer, Tuquito, Turbolinux, Ubuntu CE, Ubuntulite, UbuntuME, Ubuntu Studio, UHU-Linux, Ulteo, Ultima, Ultimate, Untangle, Userful, Ututo, Vector, Vine, Vixta.org, VMKnoppix, Voltalinux, Vyatta, Webconverger, White Box, Wolvix, Xandros, X/OS, Xubuntu, Yellow Dog, YES, Yoper, and Zenwalk.

      All of which are mentioned at Distrowatch. I'm possibly including a couple projects that aren't actually Linux in there, but if there's 20-30 such items in that list, that's still 300 Linux distros. That's not competition; that's just a couple hundred collections of guys who decided to make their own distro cause they didn't like some quirk or another of how other distros are set up. That's just fragmentation with no benefit to the consumer, just a sea of incompatible layouts, setups, and package management formats.

      Choice is great. But having a couple great, consistent, stable choices is better than having several hundred ones ranging from excellent to shitty. Variety for its own sake is pointless, from a practical standpoint at least.

    9. Re:Competition is good by falconwolf · · Score: 2

      I see no problem with teaching people A method to compete in the market place.

      Competition is good, yes, but "divide and conquer"?

      I'd actually be disappointed if information like this weren't being taught in Silicon Valley!

      And I'm kind of disappointed the benefits and liabilities of cooperation isn't being taught.

      Falcon

    10. Re:Competition is good by aweraw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And again, they're all competing distro's... competing for attention and mind share.

      The fact that there are so many is proof that competition is alive and well in the world of linux distros. You can construe the large number any way you want, but logic dictates that 2 or more separate groups/individuals offering similar products are in competition with each other. Doesn't matter if they're commercial vendors or not...

      You also neglect the fact that due to the GPL, advances made in one of these 300+ distros are generally able flow into all the others. The only cost to the others is that they must learn the ins and outs of said advance... if they think they can improve on it they usually will... and again, everybody benefits from the competition.

      One last thing: LSB - ever heard of it?

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    11. Re:Competition is good by I+cant+believe+its+n · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Choice is great. But having a couple great, consistent, stable choices is better than having several hundred ones ranging from excellent to shitty. Variety for its own sake is pointless, from a practical standpoint at least.

      Survival of the fittest is as practical and natural as it gets. There is no need for anyone to be involved in removing the "unworthy" distros from the market. The market will take care of this.

      I'm sure you do not feel a need to destroy bad paintings even though there are millions out there? You just don't need to buy them. The person who creates a painting probably feels that some value is added to his/her life in the process. Also... there just might be someone crazy enough out there for whom a particularly "bad" painting is perfect. But you, you get to ignore it.

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    12. Re:Competition is good by szundi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't think it will downhill. Maybe it has to compete with free softwares, such as MS Office vs. OpenOffice.org. But there's a certain point after which you need a lot of money (capital) to build a software. If the need is not completely generic, such as "an office suite" like OpenOffice or SugarCRM as a "general CRM Solution" than you have to make the same effort but cannot reach a lot of people. Then you won't have many ads, you won't get the "hooo, this is a cool company" feeling (ad again). So simply, these projects won't be opensourced. Letting your competitors read (and reuse) your code worths just after a margin you cannot reach witch specialized softwares so easily. So downhill maybe on broadly used software but not on the specialized or really great ones (which are there anyway).

  6. resistence is futile by Brain+Damaged+Bogan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    unless your product is targeted at such a small subset of users that noone in the OSS world would bother to create a competing product there will always be some geek out there willing to dedicate all their spare time to create something that will compete with your product... for free. What proprietry vendors need to do is charging for software as a service and provide support packages that the OSS world don't bother to do.

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    1. Re:resistence is futile by David+Gerard · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's a reason Macs outsell Linux.

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    2. Re:resistence is futile by DrEldarion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That will compete? Maybe. That will compete well? That's another story. Photoshop is still worlds better than GIMP. There's still no real competition for AutoCAD. How are those open source games doing against their commercial counterparts?

      Thinking that open source is naturally better than closed source is just as foolish as thinking closed source is naturally better than open source.

    3. Re:resistence is futile by setagllib · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, because a few million Mac desktops vastly outnumbers hundreds of millions of Linux embedded devices, servers, desktops and virtual appliances.

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    4. Re:resistence is futile by Warll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well duh, when was the last time you bought a copy of your favourite Distro?

    5. Re:resistence is futile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Some have asked: "Why does open source imitate more than innovate?"

      Good question. We suspect the problem is that most open source software is written by programmers.

      Although programmers are similar to human beings in many respects, and may even be mistaken for humans when observed briefly from a great distance or under adverse viewing conditions, controlled observations clearly demonstrate humans and programmers are distinct. Since programmers are a different species (as the term is broadly defined, since unlike other species open source programmers have never been observed to procreate -- or at least the very least we offer our most sincere condolences to any researcher who might witness such an event) they tend to construct interfaces that are either incomprehensible to the human mind, or in recognition of their own limitations, construct systems that are simple mimicry of human designed interfaces (aka "human interfaces"). Here the term "construct" is used intentionally because we cannot in good conscience use the term "design," with all that it implies in this context, as most evidence indicates programmer-constructed interfaces are unusable by human beings.

      We performed several tests.

      Emacs, an advanced operating system constructed by a programmer, was tested first. We requested our test subjects start emacs, write a short sentence, save a file containing the sentence, and cleanly exit the system -- all without the intervention of an open source programmer. No human test subject was able to do so. In fact, mere open source programmers were typically insufficient to complete the task: an open source programmer with a gray neck beard was often required.

      We contrast emacs with Microsoft Word. The latter is not regarded as having an ideal interface, but nearly two thirds of human beings under the age of 40 who grew up in am industrialized Western nation were able to complete the open-edit-save-exit task without the intervention of a programmer. Even marketing staff had little trouble opening the application, saving the file, and exiting; most confusion revolved around the requirement to type a short sentence, but in all honesty this wasn't the fault of the software and furthermore this was the portion of the task least likely to elicit effective guidance from the programmer.

      An equivalent test with Open Office, written by open source programmers but sporting a derivative interface, demonstrated similar results.

      Next we tested the GIMP. Several graphic designers simply began to cry when placed in front of the testing terminal. Further testing was aborted on ethical grounds after one designer became physically ill. Although the results were officially recorded as "inconclusive," we remain skeptical as to the usability of the GIMP's interface by anyone other than a GIMP programmer. Similarly, we remain skeptical as to the graphic design proficiency of those programmers, but this is strictly untested conjecture and represents fertile ground for future inquiry.

      With commercial software from well established vendors we presume there is a high likelihood that one or more human beings will be responsible for human interface design. Although further research is needed, it is possible that the absence of humans on many open source projects results in unusable or derivative interfaces. Furthermore, there may be aspects of the typical open source development process that discourage participation by humans. Again, further research is needed.

  7. Not following their own advice? by HaeMaker · · Score: 5, Funny

    They should have left their research closed. Now anyone can take their research, reverse engineer it, and repackage it under a Creating Commons license.

    1. Re:Not following their own advice? by bobdotorg · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They should have left their research closed. Now anyone can take their research, reverse engineer it, and repackage it under a Creating Commons license.

      Clever post, but check out this subtle fact: the authors are absolutely practicing what they preached in that very article:

      market segmentation: you get the watered down summary for free, but have to pay for a journal subscription to get the actual article

      market seeding: give this version away for free (and I suspect that they'll even send a .pdf of their related working papers) in hopes of capturing customers for the more expensive version (a.k.a. attending their b-schools, or hiring them on as consultants).

      In reality though, academic theorists are absolutely the most open source colleagues I've ever had. As long as you adequately cite them, you'll be their bestest friend if you embrace and extend their material. When tenure and promotion decisions are to be made, b-school deans might not be so savvy as to know how good your publications are, but they can easily see how often you work has been cited. Don Jacobs, former dean of Kellogg, said it best, "Maybe we can't read, but we can definitely count."

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  8. Re:sissy by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 3, Funny

    There was a paper in nature recently titled "Improve your jihad: nuclear weapons" as part of their weekly jihad improvement segment.

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  9. Awesome... by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm happy to see that the suggested strategies are ones which carry significant drawbacks. Segmenting markets and keeping everything closed does indeed give you control, but it also slows the very network growth that makes products become successful. And it frequently leads to user frustration (because of, for example, DRM, or the lack of support groups, or the inability to find or construct fixes/hacks as needed).

    This is good news in the sense that any strategy to fight open-source means that you emphasize the gap between open-source and closed-source products: the open-source product's advantage is the openness, the community, the ease of distribution, the non-naginess, the network effects, the hackability... and the more closed the closed-source products try to be, the more these items become product differentiators, which the open-source product can point to as big advantages.

    So, I do hope closed-source projects go ahead and implement those user-hostile strategies. It will only serve to make open-source products look that much better by comparison. As other posters have pointed out, there is no fundamental divide between "open-source" and "commercial". So I would think the better strategy for MBAs thinking about open-source is "if you can't beat 'em--join 'em". Or in other words, why get involved in closed-source business ventures when an open-sourced equivalent inherently leverages network effects?

  10. Re:I'm curious by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The 90s called, they want their argument back.

    Many programmers are paid to work on free software these days.

    In fact, the problem isn't finding jobs, the problem is finding programmers.

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  11. Stanford - Sun - Hello by SkullOne · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Stanford, the birthplace of SUN, one of the renowned distributors of a once true and mighty closed and proprietary Unix, that almost fell off the face of the planet in part of it starting to become irrelevant compared to open sourced OS's and systems (Linux, BSD, etc).

    The SAME Sun, which has now open sourced almost their ENTIRE IP portfolio in the Open Solaris project, thereby bringing relevancy BACK to Solaris and it's suite of products.
    The same Sun which utilizes hundreds of code donors to it's projects, and big communities around storage, ZFS, etc.

    Closed, commercial systems have a place, and many of them do well, but when markets change, can they change quickly enough? Lessons show us that they cannot change quickly enough. Or do the closed proprietary systems try and change the market the suit their needs?

    Look at IBM, HP, Sun, and even Dell now relying on open *nix systems driving huge sales numbers.

    The markets have changed, its those who do not follow trends, or fight the trends who become irrelevent.

    The open source model will probably change in a decade, or a century and it too will have to change.

    The paper is just a way to appeal to stiffley business suit class of people afraid of change.

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  12. It would be nice... by tool462 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    if they also taught a course on open-source economics. I.e., how you can make a successful business through the selling of services. It would be useful, since I get the impression that a lot of the folks who are open-source advocates really don't have much business sense. That's not meant as an insult--I know my business skills are mostly lacking. It's a big part of why I wouldn't start a business myself. It might have the added benefit of giving some of the commercial==closed-source people some ideas on where it can make sense to use open-source in their own businesses. I work with a guy who can't understand why anybody would ever contribute to open source. He sees it as people giving away valuable brain juice for free.

  13. It's a research paper from February by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the press release that this guy links to (the paper is actually here):

    A recent paper on this topic by Mendelson, coauthored with Deishin Lee, PhD â(TM)04, now a faculty member at Harvard Business School, is not a how-to manual for hard-pressed executives. Rather the researchers have built a theoretical model explaining the choices open to commercial firms. âoeAlthough open source is the lead example of our work, the principles certainly apply to other businesses, including, for example, the media business,â says Mendelson.

    Heaven forbid that somebody actually study how businesses choose between free and proprietary software! That's of no good whatsoever! And of course free-as-in-speech definitely does not extend to a university allowing its academics to publish material which might be bad for open source. Clearly Stanford should've had these two men killed and fed to rabid, pestulent chipmunks, rather than allow this affront to reach the press.

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  14. natural order by khellendros1984 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    âoeFirst they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.â

    I think we've been in that penultimate step for a while now. Here's hoping Ghandi was right =)

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    1. Re:natural order by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only thing I don't like about that quote is that it only predicts the sequence under the assumption that you'll win.

      First they ignore you, and many simply remain ignored.
      If not they laugh at you, and many are still ridiculed.
      If not they fight you, and many are fighting or losing.
      If not, then and only then will you win.

      Honestly it's not much of a progress meter. What I think is the real progress meter is that open source software is becoming more and more usable and it's not something you can "undo". You can't drive it bankrupt, you can't buy it up, you can fight the distros and the outer layers but you can't stop the underlying OSS development. Even though it feels glacier-slow at times I've seen how far it's come in the last ten years - ten more years like those and it'll be slowly rolling in almost anywhere. No huge splashes, no revolutionary releases, no "year of the Linux desktop" just slowly pushing the others out.

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  15. Bad Paper - No Clue - F by salesgeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The two strategies presented are not strategies against software.

    The first, embrace and extend is a play against already established standards, and usually is applied to protocols and APIs but not to package software. Most successful E&E campaigns have been against standards implemented in closed source systems. Most of MS success was before the rise of Open Source as a viable model. Generally E&E fails against open source competition (see firefox, Apache, Linux v Unix, etc...).

    The second was just a trashcan "make a better product" and "hide it from the competition" kind of suggestion. Oh, and segment your market better... problem is that it's assuming that your open competitors can't make better products or segment better.

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  16. Re:I'm curious by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the long term, what happens if all software ends up being free?

    In the present, all software is free http://www.ubuntu.com/ http://thepiratebay.org/

    Wouldn't there cease to be many programming jobs where there once were?

    No... Most software would still be developed in-house. What will cease is companies who can make a bloated program that is badly written and gain millions for it.

    Wouldn't that lead to lower paying programming jobs in turn leading to less cs graduates and lower quality software?

    No. It would only serve to increase the quality of code as the fact that it compiles does not mean that it is good code. Open source software has no secrets, the quality would go up because anyone could fix it.

    I know some companies do alright supporting products they've written and give away freely, but I can't see that extending to applications beyond some mission critical business system type things.

    Ever heard of the Geek Squad? They make a fortune supporting products that they never even written and most are trivial applications (Windows, iTunes, etc)

    I've long wondered things such as this. OSS sounds great at a glance, but I really have a poor concept of where it will go in the long run. I like writing software, but I also like being able to pay my bills.

    Where do you work now? Chances are, that company will still develop applications in house, not to mention that you would be in charge of changing various OSS programs to better fit the needs of the company.

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  19. Read the paper here by derek_farn · · Score: 4, Informative

    The paper is freely available for everybody to learn from, in fact the Jan-Feb 2008 issue is fully of very interesting article (what month are we in now?).

    1. Re:Read the paper here by Kjella · · Score: 2, Informative

      Uh, did you try reading what you linked to? It's the appendixes / supplements to the journal articles, and are utterly useless.

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  20. Re:sissy by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 3, Funny

    There was a paper in nature recently titled "Improve your jihad: nuclear weapons" as part of their weekly jihad improvement segment.

    Google says: No results found for "Improve your jihad: nuclear weapons".

    GASP! They nuked the article! CENSORSHIP!

  21. Summ. author has an open source block on shoulder by bobdotorg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The slashdot summary author (mjasay) appears to see the world through a lens which makes the developers of open source software victims of some nasty MBA conspiracy.

    The academics who wrote the underlying article go out of their way to say that their writings are not a 'how to' manual for MBAs, and that open source software is only one example.

    The article is simply a recent take on 'How to compete with free,' an important MBA marketing topic for decades. 'How to compete with free' can be considered a subset of how to compete in general, and the gist of any marketing solution to 'how to compete' will be based on building value in the product.

    One method to build value is to increase switching cost through lock-in. Even free / advertising supported services do this: my.yahoo, iTunes, gmail, hotmail and countless others.

    If you read the underlying academic article, you just might notice that most of the tools presented now are analogous to the tools presented at Sanford in the early nineties to the MBAs who eventually went on to Coke and Pepsi to fight the scourge of FOSW (Free Open Source Water).

    Open source water survived just fine. As long as open source software continues to offer value, it will continue to thrive.

    Marketing is marketing. MBA courses are MBA courses. Same shit, different year.

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  22. Query by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is Slashdot so biased towards open source?

    1. Re:Query by Lingerance · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is Slashdot so biased towards open source?

      Becase many nerds have a 'hacker' mentality, where if they purchased a physical device they own it and can do anything they want with it, DRM, DMCA, vendor-lock-in and other such evils are viewed as evil because they inhibit hacking.

  23. Hmmm by jav1231 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd rather get my MBA from someone who gives me the tools to actually compete in the market place. Not teach me ways to circumvent competition and leverage market share through these tactics. There's already a university for this. It's called the street. I'm surprised these guys aren't named Guido and Mugsy.

    1. Re:Hmmm by Kjella · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd rather get my MBA from someone who gives me the tools to actually compete in the market place.

      What like better products, lower prices and such? I'm sorry, but then you're trying to become a product/process engineer. MBAs are all about seeing business opportunities - how can they take the skills we have and make profitable products out of it. It's all about finding markets or niches where margins are high and competition is low and keeping it that way so you can turn a tidy profit. OSS is nothing special in this context, the next article can just as easily be on how to break in and capture a market share in Microsofts monopoly. Is it tough? Of course it is, it's capitalism - as long as iot's within the bounds of the law it's all about competition and squeezing your competitors out, not playing nice. There are many ways to throw your weight around in a market and quite few of them are illegal. Even if for nothing else, it's definately something you need to learn to defend against in MBA class, otherwise your company will find itself on the sidelines wondering what happened and maybe, at best, get some petty cash in a lawsuit about it.

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  24. Don't be paranoid, open sourcers by jfruhlinger · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The headline is misleading. The MBA students aren't learning how to fight open source as an abstract concept; they're learning what to do when your business produces a piece of proprietary software that competes with an open source product.

    I'm all for open source and use a lot of open source apps, but I don't believe that such a dilemma is always most profitably answered with "embrace open source yourself."

  25. Re:I'm curious by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it is my understanding that most of these paid OSS jobs are funded by proprietary software.

    That is what you understand wrong.

    You imagine people will keep working on software out of altruistic desire forever? Many people I know are in this profession solely for the high salaries. Once OSS peanut-salary is the norm, they will dump this profession like a cheap rental suit.

    I dunno where you get your information from, but again, you're completely wrong here. There's no difference between the salaries of programmers who work on free software and the people who work on proprietary software.

    I'm just figuring you're a troll now.

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  26. Re:I'm curious by Ash-Fox · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd like to think people don't buy things ONLY if they can't steal them.

    I find it very rare to find a average Joe who will not obtain a illegal copy of software if he could unfortunately.

    What I'm having a harder time grasping, is how it will work for media players, games, operating systems, messengers, etc.

    Considering how popular VLC, Media player classic, Pidgin, Linux are... I would have to disagree.

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  27. Step back for a minute by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Before deciding to fight open source and to lock your customers into dependence on your company so that they cannot escape, step back and ask yourself a question. Do I want to make money by doing good for people, or by deceiving and manipulating them?

    There are basically two different ways to run a company. One is to make your customers happy and strive to serve them as best you can, trusting that they will reward you for it with loyalty. The other is to trick people somehow, by being dishonest, selling them something they don't need, locking them in to your service, or sticking them with extra fees. Both approaches can be profitable, but only one can actually make the world a better place.

    I love companies that take the former approach. For example: NewEgg.com (Low prices, honest customer reviews posted even if they are negative, excellent customer service.) Monoprice.com (For the same reasons.) Netflix (Fast service, easy to use website, honest communication and refunds for rare service outages.) My local coffee shop (High quality drinks that are much better than the chains, friendly staff, good food with custom menu items that change frequently.)

    On the other hand, there is no shortage of examples of the latter approach. Best Buy (Selling HDMI cables for $50-75 which can be purchased for $5-8 on Monoprice.com.) Most places that sell glasses (for excessive markups. An online market for glasses at vastly reduced prices is now springing up.) Most cell phone providers (for charging excessive fees, making it difficult to switch providers or move phones to other plans, and designing their plans to overcharge customers who don't guess correctly how many minutes they will talk and at what time.) I could go on.

    It's probably easier to make money going the evil route, or at least it requires less originality. But I hope that at least a fraction of MBA students would be interested in something more than the bottom line of profit.

    1. Re:Step back for a minute by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I perfectly understand.

      I work at Starbucks, that corporate coffee chain. You know, they spend more on medical insurance on us 20+hr a week employees than they do on beans?

      But aside that, we're told at sbux one major rule on how we conduct our business: "Just Say Yes". No matter what. As an example, we've had a dog show going on during the weekend. A judge came on by and ordered a venti (large) coffee with 1 inch of steamed 2%. Cool. Rule says charge for only =>4 oz. milk. One of our 17 yr old partners started badmouthing me saying that we should charge her a misto (.50$ more). I told her no, and here's the standards.

      Turns out she charged the judge the day before the misto price. That just pisses me off, considering the rules say we dont charge for that addition.

      We here at Sbux are here to serve the community (we donate all our pastries to the homeless shelter, unlike Wal-Mart.. grrr) while treating the customer to the best experience we can. We baristas are treated very well, as the corporate idea is that if we're treated well, we will treat well. Well, at least, I try. I love happy customers.

      Maybe as a consultant, I've learned how to make happy people. I know you dont turn back business, and you dont piss your customers off, especially for a nickel or 2. You'll get much more back in he long run (a customer for 3+ years, vs getting .50$ ONE time). At least, thats my opinion.

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  28. I know the real motive! by FilterMapReduce · · Score: 4, Funny

    You see, this is clearly a calculated move in the epic power struggle otherwise known as the Cal/Stanford rivalry. Do you really think it's a coincidence that the world's leading institution in the field of hating Stanford also happens to be the 'B' in BSD? You can soon expect a ferocious counterattack of Unix hacking, liberal politics, and lateral passes.

  29. Re:I'm curious by Mr+Z · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You realize, of course, that long before FOSS was big, over 80% of software written was never sold. It was developed for internal consumption. That's a huge piece of the pie.

    As for software sold to others, have you ever heard of "support contracts"? That's where folks like RedHat make their money. Even Microsoft makes money on support. They make a lot of money off of certifying people to work on their software too.

    And then there's sponsored development. This is where the two paragraphs above intersect. Suppose Company X really like some package Y, but it's missing some feature it really needs. It can code it itself (the old internal development model) and spend the money internally, or it can hire someone outside to implement the feature. Not an ounce of altruism there. The FOSS license ensures that the feature is able to become part of the overall product. Company X derives direct benefit, and likely has strong influence over the shape it takes.

    IBM doesn't send zillions of patches to Linus out of altruism. They send patches because they want Linux to behave better and have the features they want so they can ship more servers. Freescale doesn't send patches to Linus out of altruism. They do it because they want Linux to run well on their embedded chips so that more people will buy them. And so on.

    You've got this vision that this is all a big charity. No, it's enlightened self interest.

  30. You're doing it wrong by bhmit1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the spirit of http://xkcd.com/463/, commercial software that competes like this will slowly lose the battle.

    Instead of fighting for the same turf as open source, they should be finding markets that aren't served by open source. Niche markets and new markets are great places for commercial vendors. Generic applications used by everyone that are constantly reinventing the same wheel will be open sourced and the market will shift.

    Don't try to make a better web browser or office application. Instead, focus on the pace maker control system or credit card fraud detection system. Focus on things that are worth money to a narrow market and don't have a lot of competition from open source because their isn't demand for bored developers to build a cheaper mouse trap.

    Stop doing it wrong.

  31. FOSS is the default by louzer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I strongly believe ordinary economic strategies are more concerned with resources with scarcity.

    Software does not have scarcity, because once made it is abundant. And the average fixed cost tends to become zero all the time.

    It is even better than the secret Coke formula and thats why people who can force people to buy software can reap unbelievably high profits.

    FOSS's greatest weakness lies in its divisibility. People get divided over little things. "There is blob in Linus's kernel? Well, then guess what we are making a new OS".

    Therefore as long as FOSSians stay united they are going to be safe.

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  32. Re:I'm curious by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sigh. You're understanding of the software industry is so pedestrian that it is impossible to have a serious conversation with you.

    Those little boxes on the shelves in Walmart are not the software industry. They're not even a significant percentage of it.

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  33. Re:Investors have to question and reject this. by rtb61 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is always there is always the flip side course for 99.99% of other non-software businesses, which is far more justified as a MBA course.

    All those objective that open source software fulfil and core subjects for the majority of businesses.

    Open source software, managing software overheads more effectively, their profits are your costs.

    Open source software, minimising retraining and re documentation, only implement worthwhile changes.

    Open source software, avoiding supplier forced costly upgrades and managing them at your pace.

    Open source software, using publicly audited software, hidden software faults cost you money.

    Open source software, avoiding data lock in, don't be forced to pay for your own data over and over again.

    Open source software, avoiding training costs, open source software for education, save on taxes whilst saving on overheads, double plus bonus.

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  34. Re:Like what? by BruceCage · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I guess there's Gears, Android, their patches for Wine and MySQL, as of late there's also Chromium (with the v8 JavaScript engine). They probably have more, see Google and Open Source.

    All in all I think they have some 190 open source projects/components/tools/whatchamacallit, a lot of these are Google oriented but there are some more generic ones. Maybe a result of their 20%/80% thing.

    You can't deny that Google, with Chris DiBona as their open source program manager, certainly _contributes_ a lot to open source projects or what is regarded the open source community at large. From project hosting (Google Code), to Summer of Code, to hosting events, to individual sponsorships, to participating in standardization organizations (OASIS, W3C), to funding foundations (such as Mozilla).

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  35. From the same Authors: by paniq · · Score: 2

    "How to sell air to those already breathing"

    The Wall Street is listening!

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  36. Prostitute Professors by RKBA · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Prostitutes always forgo morality in favor of money, and there's not much money in free open-source software.

  37. capitalism by falconwolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    it's capitalism - as long as iot's within the bounds of the law it's all about competition and squeezing your competitors out

    That's not what capitalism is about, capitalism encourages competition. What you're proposing, monopolies, is what what Adam Smith the Father of capitalism was opposed to. He didn't even like patents calling them a necessary evil. To Adams capitalism provided a fair or equitable and optimum outcome for everyone.

    Falcon

  38. I just "earnt" a Computer Science PhD... by falconwolf · · Score: 3, Funny

    Glad I never got one of those fancy degree's, they obviously do not teach spelling or grammar.

    Perhaps Mexican universities don't teach IT classes in English. Looking at many of the posts on /. US universities don't teach English well either.

    Falcon

  39. Communicating open source advantages by sjbe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is always there is always the flip side course for 99.99% of other non-software businesses, which is far more justified as a MBA course.

    Exactly. While it isn't actually all that hard, most non-slashdot reading folks I've ever discussed open source licensing with (admittedly a small sample) grossly misunderstand the terms of open source licenses - especially the GPL. They usually think they give away their copyrights when in fact just the opposite occurs. As a community, we advocates of open source have done a poor job communicating why open source is an advantage to those willing to take the plunge. There are unfortunately a lot of misconceptions about the finer details of open source licensing and the software in general.

    One of the touted advantages of open source is the availability of the source code. But if a business isn't a software developer that is not perceived as especially valuable. No auto parts supplier is likely to go and contribute patches to Open Office. It just won't ever happen and they know it. What needs to be emphasized are the follow-on advantages - no forced upgrades, no data lock in, reduced licensing fees, reduced platform lock in, etc.

    Many folks also tend to underestimate the advantages of open source software in favor of whatever commercial software they are already familiar with. The fact that Open Office is free (speech and beer) gets overwhelmed by the perceived need to use Excel (or Word or...) because that is what they user is familiar with and often what everyone around him/her uses. Never mind that they are giving significant control over their upgrade schedule and data accessibility to another company and not being compensated for the "privilege".

  40. He had a legitimate question... by wurp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You had a snide answer. Oh, and it's "your understanding", not "you're understanding".

    He didn't say anything about little boxes.

    By the way, AC, in answer to your question, and to actually illuminate rather than just tell you that you misunderstand:

    Most software is written to serve the in-house needs of large-ish corporations. They need to manage their business, and to be competitive their business has to differ from other businesses serving similar needs. So they have large quantities of software to manage their inventory, coordinate their workers, manage their books, determine if payment they've been given is fraudulent, etc. The little details of all of these things are specific to the business rules of any large business.

    Often those needs could be fulfilled by some commercial software, if it weren't for the hundred little things that the company needs done differently. If some open software can do basically the same thing as the commercial software, it's in the company's interest to add the features needed to support their business needs. This typically has to be done without exposing their business specific rules (i.e. without making those rules open source), but you can just make the software configurable and put the rules in some configuration file outside the OSS app.

    Frankly, the only times I make changes to OSS software for pay are for basic infrastructure software (e.g. apache, ant, etc) when there is a bug or an obvious feature missing. The actual software that fulfills whatever business need is fully proprietary, except for some of the infrastructure.

  41. Lesson #1 for would be generals by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Lesson #1: Pick your battles

    Lesson #2, method dealing with the enemy while occupying a strategically disadvantageous position: see lesson #1.

    Does anybody believe that the proprietary/free clock will be rolled back to the late 1980s, when printing licenses was like printing currency? Of course not. Open source is here to stay. That doesn't mean there aren't opportunities to make money in software, both in competition with and by using free software. It seems to me the smart business leader chooses the mix of competition and cooperation. Google hasn't done too bad, after all.

    Where it's tough is when you have a company with a cash cow. Microsoft. ESRI. Oracle. The cash cow may be doomed, but ever year it is kept alive represents money, a great deal of money.

    So it makes sense to position your product, say Windows, against the open source "competition". It really boils down to one thing: compete. Give your customers reasons to keep buying your product and cut prices to keep them from moving away from your products. There are now free as in beer versions of Oracle and SQL Server, just to establish a bulwark on the low end of the product position.

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