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How Do I Talk To 4th Graders About IT?

Tsunayoshi writes "My son volunteered me to give a presentation on what I do for a living for career day at his elementary school. I need to come up with a roughly 20-minute presentation to be given to 4-5 different classrooms. I am a systems administrator, primarily Unix/Linux and enterprise NAS/SAN storage, working for an aerospace company. I was thinking something along the lines of explaining how some everyday things they experience (websites, telephone systems, etc.) all depend on servers, and those servers are maintained by systems administrators. I was also going to talk about what I do specifically, which is maintain the computer systems that allow the really smart rocket scientists to get things into space. Am I on the right track? Can anyone suggest some good (and cheap/easy to make) visual aids?"

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  1. Flowcharts by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 4, Funny

    Flowcharts, and keep it simple. Visual aids really help.

    1. Re:Flowcharts by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 4, Funny

      Flowcharts, and keep it simple. Visual aids really help.

      If you're looking for visual aids a series of tubes might help.

    2. Re:Flowcharts by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Funny

      better to just use a really descriptive, structured language to express your ideas, like COBOL

    3. Re:Flowcharts by PeKbM0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I demand that you retract that insult! Fourth graders will be up in arms!

    4. Re:Flowcharts by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Funny

      Kids LOVE powerpoint.

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  2. This sounds like one of those anti-drug ads... by Lendrick · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Talk to your kids about IT ... before someone else does."

    1. Re:This sounds like one of those anti-drug ads... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Funny

      Too late to talk about "IT".
      By second grade, she had said "Put YouTube in MySpace".
      Sex is just another video game, alas(ka).

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    2. Re:This sounds like one of those anti-drug ads... by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Funny
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    3. Re:This sounds like one of those anti-drug ads... by daem0n1x · · Score: 5, Funny

      At least it will prevent them from engaging in teenage sex later.

      Or any sex at all.

    4. Re:This sounds like one of those anti-drug ads... by harry666t · · Score: 2, Funny
      Hehe, reminds me of one quote...

      Wouldn't you like to see a positive LSD story on the news? To hear what it's all about, perhaps? Wouldn't that be interesting? Just for once?

      "Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration - that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."

    5. Re:This sounds like one of those anti-drug ads... by CrazedSanity · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can see it now:
      GEEK: the ultimate prophylactic

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    6. Re:This sounds like one of those anti-drug ads... by Sloppy · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Talk to your kids about IT ... before someone else does."

      "But daddy, my friend Ricky's computer automatically downloads and executes code from every webpage that he visits, and he seems pretty happy. Sure, his computer feels a little slow, but if you buy a new one every two years, they stay pretty fast. That's just how computers are."

      "No, son, that's only how some computers are, and even though it is now very widespread, it is not the 'normal' way for personal computers to work."

      "Normal?! Dad, if you could only hear yourself, and your antiquated prudish attitude! You don't understand my generation! All the cool kids run viruses."

      [sighs] "Have you been running Internet Explorer? "

      "It's none of your business what I run inside parallels or wine!" [runs to bedroom, slams door]

      "I should have talked to him about this earlier."

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  3. simple by Errtu76 · · Score: 3, Funny

    "It's all about cookies. Who wants a cookie??"

    1. Re:simple by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who wants a cookie?

      Oh, me! Me! Me!

      Heeeey, you tricked me. The old IT/cookie switch-a-roo.

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  4. Start with the basics by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 5, Funny

    Start with the basics and work your way up from there.

    I'd suggest axiomatic set theory first coupled with computing history, linear algebra and analysis. Throw in some logic into the mix for good measure. Once they got the basics point them towards the linux kernel and start discussing the more interesting issues of SMP, scheduling, latency and memory management.

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    Be yourself no matter what they say
  5. Easy... by jav1231 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "See the Internet is a series of tubes! And you have to understand that those tubes can get clogged up!"

  6. Series of tubes by Manip · · Score: 4, Funny

    As one of the 21st centuries greatest thinkers said:
    "And again, the Internet is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of tubes. And if you don't understand, those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and it's going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material" - Ted Stevens

  7. Based upon current attention limitations... by Capt+James+McCarthy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Put it in nonsensical pop music format. And keep it shorter then 3 minutes.

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  8. Tell then not to do it! by orsty3001 · · Score: 2, Funny

    You've got a chance to save lives here!!!!

  9. Do A Powerpoint Presentation by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny

    If your manager can understand it, a 4th grader should have no problem understanding what you do!

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    1. Re:Do A Powerpoint Presentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If your manager can understand it, a 4th grader should have no problem understanding what you do!

      That's a pretty big assumption (the part about management understanding it...)

  10. Microsoft actually got this one right... by Yogger · · Score: 4, Funny

    As much as I hate to say it, MS actually got one right. They ran a webcomic (Heroes Happen Here) for a while, most of it wasn't too great. The 1st page is a kid asking his dad what he does for a living so he can give a school presentation about it. The dad goes on about what he does as a developer and it goes way over the kids head. So the kid tells everyone his dad drives an ice cream truck.

    http://blogs.technet.com/hhh_comic/archive/2008/01/29/hhh-comic-releases-day-1-comic.aspx

  11. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by Stanistani · · Score: 5, Funny

    See if you can blow something up.
    Kids love that stuff.

  12. Re:Old gear? by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

    their attention span is like 30 seconds.

          A video or two from RedTube should fix THAT. Then, once you have their UNDIVIDED attention, point out that what you do makes it possible to see this kind of stuff from any internet capable machine on the planet.

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  13. Re:Use simple metaphors by Crazy+Man+on+Fire · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't forget to explain the difference between tubes and dump trucks

  14. That's the perfect age for such an audience... by Norwell+Bob · · Score: 2, Funny

    Since all the 4th grade boys think girls are icky, it should be an easy sell.

  15. When you find out how to explain it to your kids.. by rodney+dill · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... let me know how, so I can explain it to my parents.

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  16. Re:Easy by Onaga · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not far off. Here is a script you can use:

    You: Do you kids know how Mommy and Daddy put Elmo on YouTube when it's time to "clean the master bedroom?"

    Them: Yes.

    You: I make sure Elmo keeps playing until the room is clean.

  17. A good start by Todd+Fisher · · Score: 5, Funny

    First step is to let your child know, in no uncertain terms, that volunteering you for anything in the future will result in two months grounding.

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  18. No way this story is genuine by jeremyp · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're a Unix sysadmin who reads Slashdot.

    You don't expect us to believe that you have enough social skills to get to the point of having had children do you?

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  19. show them 15 minutes of "apollo 13" by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Funny

    the tom hanks/ bill paxton/ kevin bacon movie with the famous "houston, we have a problem" line

    freeze frame when they cut back to ed harris and ground crew strategizing, point to some guy in the background fiddling with some equipment, and say "that's me"

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  20. Talk To 4th Graders About IT... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    .. the same way you would talk to the executives.

  21. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Step one is get a couple of those anatomically correct dolls. Step two cover the whole good touch/bad touch subject. Then jam your fist up the backside of one of the dolls.

  22. Naw. keep it real by geekoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    Shut down the schools system and refuse to bring it up until they buy you lunch.

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  23. Use Dilbert by tritonman · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you want to keep it exciting and still realistic, just present a slide show of dilbert comics.

  24. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, kids love being blown up.

    Oh, did I say that out loud?

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  25. Fire them by dccase · · Score: 5, Funny

    Tell them that they're no longer needed, and give your lecture to some kids in a less-expensive country.

    For added realism, have them train their replacements.

  26. Re:Pictures of your data center by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I always get jealous of IT folks when I see that they get to work with racks of equipment"

    huh, I always say the same thing about porn.

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  27. Online Presentation by vmxeo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd suggest you start here. The explaination of differences between a hard drive and a floppy is especially effective. Modify as needed for your own audience. Use of a lucca libre mask is optional, but recommended if you want to hold the respect of a class of 4th graders.

  28. Re:Show your scars? by chromakey · · Score: 5, Funny

    System administrator, eh? You can start by showing your scars.

    All of my scars are on the inside :-(

  29. Your doomed. DOOMED. by EWAdams · · Score: 5, Funny

    Your child has condemned himself to the humiliation of having everyone know his father is a big nerd. Well, it's his own fault for volunteering you. Unfortunately, his respect for you will now plummet and you will have trouble keeping him off drugs three years from now. After several minor run-ins with the law, he will end up studying general accounting at community college, and take a job cooking the books for a corrupt tire warehouse in Des Moines. His wife will commit suicide at 32. Your grandchildren will be spoiled and ugly.

    You can, however, prevent all this by claiming to be an astronaut.

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  30. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by aslvrstn · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bring a wireless or two, and maybe throw in a few internets for good measure.

  31. Keep it simple by LeninZhiv · · Score: 4, Funny

    Start with a basic discussion of SysV vs. BSD, then move on to shells and explain why the Bourne shell his historically prefered to csh for scripts.

    You might demonstrate a little sed and awk, but keep in mind that these are just kids, so you might just jump ahead to perl. Maybe wrap it up by talking about NFS and how network filesystems have changed since Samba came along.

    Oh, and if you feel like you're losing them along the way, you can probably win them back with an Itanic joke :-)

  32. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by gcatullus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Umm .. while I agree with the sentiment, depending on what aerospace company the person works for, this could be a bad idea. While the kids might get a kick out of a recreation of the Challenger disaster, it is kinda morbid.

  33. The *real* agenda of this "Ask Slashdot" by mikehoskins · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dear Slashdot:

    I am trying to talk with my PHB^H^H^H^H fourth grader about IT.

    Can you help?

    Signed,
    Frustrated at Work

  34. props by bugs2squash · · Score: 3, Funny

    You'll need to do a few things to give the kids a proper flavor for the job.

    First, for no good reason whatsoever, insist that the meeting be held at 3AM, give no warning of this - just page them all at night.

    Second, ensure the classroom is a cold as possible.

    Third, in the background play some extremely loud fan noise.

    Begin the session with recriminations, belittle the children for their lack of psychic abilities.

    Repeat the same information to the children over and over a few times to see if the same phrase magically has a different effect. Berate the children for not doing what you think they should be doing.

    End with demands that this never happen again.

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    Nullius in verba
  35. 10: print "BUTTS" by heeen · · Score: 1, Funny
    20: GOTO 10

    Tell them you make computers do your job.

  36. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    launching furniture does not count as aerospace...

  37. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by Stanistani · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was thinking more of:
    *BOOM*
    "An explosion, like the one that just shattered the classroom windows, demonstrates how much energy is released from igniting hydrogen and oxygen mixed together. This energy, properly contained, can propel a spacecraft - or this wastebasket. Watch!"

  38. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by ubrgeek · · Score: 4, Funny

    See if you can blow some kids up. Teachers love that stuff.

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  39. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by RMH101 · · Score: 3, Funny

    he's not going to keep their interest if all he talks about is how his job's going to be outsourced...

  40. easy by bugs2squash · · Score: 2, Funny

    just imagine you're explaining what you do to your boss.

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  41. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am a systems administrator,

    tedius

    primarily Unix/Linux

    boring

    Nonsense ... these kids are the perfect audience for a 20-minute talk on the joys of awk and sed.

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  42. Re:Show your scars? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    System administrator, eh? You can start by showing your scars.

    All of my scars are on the inside

    Showing children goatse.cx would be a bad life decision.

  43. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by dougmc · · Score: 5, Funny

    Indeed, a true visionary.

    Is he out of prison yet?

  44. Tubes! by flappinbooger · · Score: 2, Funny

    The Internet is a series of Tubes, you see...

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  45. Re:When you find out how to explain it to your kid by alanshot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Also let me know so I can explain it to my fellow employees. They arent "getting it" when I talk to them like adults, so I gotta try a different tack.

    (No Bob, rebooting your PC is NOT pushing the button on your monitor or logging off and back on again.)

  46. easy by gnasby · · Score: 2, Funny

    Explaining it to 4th graders? Don't you already use the same approach when talking to senior management?

  47. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by operagost · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't like internets, they take days to deliver. They're not a truck you can just dump stuff onto, you know!

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  48. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by houghi · · Score: 4, Funny

    Teachers. Blowing. Kids.
    Somehow this sounds all wrong.

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  49. Re:Show your scars? by GuldKalle · · Score: 2, Funny

    I know what you mean. Even though they're called Chips, they're apparently not edible.

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  50. Re:Fourth graders by nyctopterus · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is rubbish. You do have to be interesting, but don't expect that fourth graders are stupid and all they want is flashy bullshit.

  51. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by somersault · · Score: 3, Funny

    Actually, if you type that in the first result you get is a link to this page. So yes it is that good, in a way! ;)

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  52. A little story about an IT job by Xamusk · · Score: 2, Funny

    I arrive at work, drink some coffee and start to go to my office to play some games (sudoku IS better than WoW).

    Right at this time my boss comes to me with an alarming news: someone has KILLed the web server! In a hurry, I put my detective hat and go to solve this mistery.

    I start in the server's HOME. By reading his LOG I try to figure if he had any enemies, but all I see are empty FILEs.

    Next, I look WHO were his friends. I try to LOCATE some images, which I FIND near his PING-pong trophies. In there, I only see the picture of one strange guy. WHOIS him? I try to LOOKUP any INFOrmation about him and I manage to GET his ADDRESS and ZIP code, WRITtEn by the victim in a hurry in a NOTEPAD that was in his DESK's TOP

    I start to CONNECT the /DOTS, but when I was EXITting the building, something HITs me in the neck and I pass out.

    When I WAKE UP, I find I'm tied to a chair in a dark room, full of PIPEs scattered around. Then I hear a voice. I recognize it as the MANAGER's one. When he comes to the light, I see he looks as if DAEMONized, with his EYES glazed. I try to escape, fiddling with my FINGERs through the rope's knot. I do manage to untie it, and FREE myself. The manager tries to punch me, but I KICK him first and he passes out.

    I call the police and tell the OPERATOR what happened. Soon they appear in the house, FLASHlights in hand, to RESCUE me.

    After all that, I can only think of my next vacations in AVAHI.

  53. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by Stanistani · · Score: 3, Funny

    Tesla? Is that you?
    -- T. A. Edison

  54. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Funny

    I believe he's moved on to a job performing 'detainee interviews' for the CIA.

  55. Re:Keep It Fun & Exciting by natoochtoniket · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yea. Great idea. Show all those inquisitive 10-year old kids how to disassemble their dad's computers.