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Many Universities Spending $100K/Year Enforcing P2P Rules

Scott Jaschik writes "A new study documents just how much money colleges are spending on enforcing P2P rules through software license fees, hardware, and other costs. Many private universities are spending more than $100,000 a year — a major allocation of funds. An article in Inside Higher Ed explains the study and its findings."

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  1. Or... by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They could use the money and get more bandwidth.

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    1. Re:Or... by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Funny

      They could spend the money on a slick, feminist ad campaign to get more BEWBIES into engineering school.

    2. Re:Or... by FiveDozenWhales · · Score: 3, Funny

      The solution is obvious: the only way to ensure 100% compliance with HEA mandates is to cut off internet access altogether. That'll save the $100k policing costs AND a whole bunch in bandwidth fees!

      Plus, a lot less papers citing Wikipedia as a reference.

    3. Re:Or... by Xugumad · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or... students could use an academic network for academic purposes only, and get their own bloody network connection if they want to download music? Y'know, just a thought.

    4. Re:Or... by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You try living at college for 4 years without using the internet for anything personal.

    5. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      At my school at least, the dorms are all on the school network and there is no practical way for students to "get their own bloody network".

    6. Re:Or... by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Funny

      And they could hold on to their precious, precious virginity until they're married, stay off those evil reefers and goofballs, turn their darn hippity-hop music down, and get off your lawn.

      None of the above will happen in the few remaining years of your lifetime, nor even in theirs.

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    7. Re:Or... by theaveng · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or...

      Limit bandwidth access to just 128 kbit/s per dormroom. Although it's technically possible to do P2P sharing at that speed, most students won't bother, and that reduces the necessity to police the lines to almost nothing. More importantly that speed is still fast enough to hear streaming radio, access youtube, and/or check class websites.

      If the students complain, and they will, advise them that the college internet is only meant to be used for learning, not for stealing movies or tv shows. Also advise them they might want to consider off-campus housing next year; then they can buy 6000 kbit/s internet if that's what they want.

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    8. Re:Or... by Ephemeriis · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or... students could use an academic network for academic purposes only, and get their own bloody network connection if they want to download music? Y'know, just a thought.

      I'd honestly like to hear how that is supposed to work when you're living in a dorm room.

      When I went to college everything had to go through the school. We paid the school for our cable TV, because outside companies were not allowed to run cables into the dorm rooms. We paid the school for our landline phones, because outside companies were not allowed to run cables into the dorm rooms. And we paid the school for our Internet, because outside companies were not allowed to run cables into the dorm rooms.

      I suppose that these days you could probably get a cell phone with a data plan and plug your computer into that... But I doubt it would work very well, either from a cost or performance standpoint.

      Additionally you've got a question of where you draw the line between academic purposes and everything else. Is sending an email home to the folks ok? How about emailing your professor? How about emailing another student? What if you're a music student and trying to download something from a P2P network for the sole purpose of writing a report about it?

      Colleges are put in the very uncomfortable position of ISP for their residential students. On one side you've got the academic leanings towards free speech and open access... On the other side you've got the same issues ISPs have with providing adequate bandwidth to all their customers...

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    9. Re:Or... by theaveng · · Score: 5, Funny

      When I went to college all I had was a 28 kbit/s line, and I survived all four years. You could survive too on slower access.

      I also had to walk uphill, through snow, to get to class.
      No, really, I'm serious!
      Penn State's snow removal team was not very good.

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    10. Re:Or... by Dan667 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nice call there, except not everyone is stealing when they use the internet. If you are doing any work on big data projects like astrophysics, etc you would use a lot of bandwidth

      Sony, EMI, Warner Bros, and Universal are stealing from Education, Tax Payers, and Musicians. Feel free to spread that.

    11. Re:Or... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > stealing movies or tv shows

      Please stop repeating this old bullshit. People copying information from another people, people passing information along to their fellow men are not stealing. They are exchanging information, like people, you know, have always done. You and your alike comming along, calling some of this information (in others people possesion) their "intellectual property" and trying to censor free information exchange between free people in order to make a buck borders on fascism.

      Stop this renaming propaganda bullshit already.

    12. Re:Or... by HungryHobo · · Score: 5, Funny

      And they'd move the snow while you were in class so you'd have to walk up hill through snow going home as well :D

    13. Re:Or... by gstoddart · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I went to college all I had was a 28 kbit/s line, and I survived all four years. You could survive too on slower access.

      I also had to walk uphill, through snow, to get to class.
      No, really, I'm serious!
      Penn State's snow removal team was not very good.

      Luxury!! When I started we had 300 baud modems, not your fancy kilobits.

      Of course, we were using line editors. Talk about uphill, both ways, in the snow. :-P

      Cheers

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    14. Re:Or... by lattyware · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, you are saying everyone using more than 128k is a pirate?
      Yeah. I don't agree.

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    15. Re:Or... by michrech · · Score: 4, Informative

      The college for which I work limits internet bandwidth in the dorms to 384kb/s per port. We still have many port disconnect notices each week due to illegal file sharing.

      Access to any other "local" network resources is limited to 100mbit/s (the speed of the majority of our network). This allows them to work on "big data projects like astrophysics", and allows for plenty bandwidth to watch youtube/hulu/etc videos, check email, IM, etc.

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    16. Re:Or... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Correct. And for those who are not stealing, they don't need any more than 128 kbit/s line. That's MORE than enough speed for emailing text or accessing websites. Heck, I access websites using a 50k phoneline, and it works just fine. Why a student "needs" (keyword) more than 128k makes no sense to me.

      So, when your OS provider decides to push a 300 Megabyte upgrade at you, what do you do?

      128K also isn't enough for live video. Youtube extensively buffers at that speed, and the quality suffers quite a bit. Consider microscopy. Often with even the most well prepared samples, the salient details can be difficult to discern from the background. If bandwidth considerations result in extensive artifacts, those small details all but disappear.

      This argument is simply a case of "back in my day, we trudged ten miles in the snow, uphill to and from school."

    17. Re:Or... by xaxa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I went to college all I had was a 28 kbit/s line, and I survived all four years.

      Presumably that was before the widespread use of Facebook, MSN Messenger, Skype, iTunes, Google Documents, email, flash games, YouTube, video on demand services, online shopping, web forums, etc, etc.

      When I was 14 (I'm now 22) I didn't have a mobile phone, but all my friends did and I was left out quite often because of it.

    18. Re:Or... by xaxa · · Score: 2, Funny

      I suggest that you go to Europe and study here instead. You may drink alcohol before you're 21 too! ;)

      Please, no more American students lying in puddles of their own vomit in the student bars! Though it is funny to watch.

    19. Re:Or... by tylerni7 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Sure, it's possible to go to college and do work without the internet at all! But the fact is there are legitimate uses for having lots of bandwidth.
      What if someone wants to buy a video off of iTunes?
      Are you saying they shouldn't be able to because they are in college?
      What if someone just built a new computer and wants to get the most recent Ubuntu DVD iso?
      Are you saying they should wait 3 days to do it?
      What if one of their professors has PDFs online for their problem sets or as papers for them to read?
      They can easily reach 10MB, and while it isn't horrible waiting 10 minutes so you can do your school work, why bother?

      Yes, students can sit around and wait, or download things while they're asleep, but what the hell is the point in that?
      The university has the bandwidth, why should they inconvenience students paying $40k a year just so that... what? It's more annoying to download files, so maybe they will download less illegal files?
      Sorry buddy, that's just bullshit.

      I think the school should allow students to get their own bandwidth using FiOS or something. The overall cost could be less for kids that don't need it, and a bit more for those that want to torrent, and the University doesn't have to bother paying to police it. (I know this has it's own problems, but I'm just saying.)

    20. Re:Or... by thetartanavenger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dude, you don't have a fucking clue!!

      There is one hell of a lot of legal content on the internet that require a connection greater than 128 kbps. Saying youtube is watchable at that rate is just lunacy, you may enjoy waiting for it to buffer the whole time but I don't particularly, and the fact of the matter is that it is now unnecessary. What about computer gaming? And don't give me that bullshit of "you're at university to study" because whilst that's true, I'm also here to live my life and enjoy my time!

      Saying that the university provides you with free internet is also a bunch of crap! I pay for my university accommodation and included in that price is the internet connection along with a few other bills. Just because it's all rolled into one big number doesn't mean I'm not paying for it! And yes, my rent is a fair amount larger than that of a private flat because of this.

      You are right in saying that the college internet is not for stealing movies etc. but it sure as hell is not for the sole purpose of learning! If all I used my connection for was learning I would go insane, I have the right to use it for whatever the hell I want to within the law, and not to be capped because some dick like you thinks I don't need it.

      You claim to use a 50k line, good for you. Last time I used a 50k line I was close to pulling my hair out just trying to look at the holiday photo's my parents sent me. I do a lot of hard work at university and often I need a five minute break just browsing something to calm me down, cheer me up and using such a slow line turns taking a five minute break into looking at 2 pages! That's really gonna relax me.

      Next, what about research?? You claim to never have done any work from your dorm. Y'know what, I believe you, but I also want to ask you what your grades were when you came out.. Just because you didn't do any work when you come back home doesn't mean others don't. I often have to upload a few gigs of training data, benchmarks, legal software, anything else that I've been working on for the last 3 years and doing that over a slow line would take hours/days. Hours/days that could be spent running said benchmarks and then using the data they create. I have no plan s of being in the labs till 10pm every night just because you think I shouldn't be working on these things from home.

      And then the updates. You've gotta be fuckin kidding me! Just leave it on overnight ey? Yeah I really sleep well with a nice whirring fan in the background. Way to save power there too by the way, sod the environment, every time ubuntu releases and update I'll just leave it on. Hell, it'll end up being online 24/7!! Genius!

      Long and ranting and probably flamebait I know, but jesus man, get a fucking clue!! If people didn't need fast connections they would not exist. Just because someone is a student who is paying for everything they use doesn't make them second class to you.

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    21. Re:Or... by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Funny

      When my mother was learning Fortran, she didn't have a personal computer. No one did. She managed. Today, college kids are actually encouraged to bring personal computers to school. Can you believe that? Do you know many punch cards can be bought for the price of one computer? How many typewriter ribbons?

    22. Re:Or... by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They could spend it on Lawyers and tell the RIAA to go screw itself.

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    23. Re:Or... by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My college actually does this - MAC addresses of personal devices are registered to your Novell account. (Unregistered devices get no access!) Each user gets 113KB/s (I think they were going for 1000 Kbps) capped across all of their devices.

      We have a massive packet shaper. Faculty and lab machines get higher priority, and the "server" subclass operates outside of the shaper. So, your massive astrophysics lab would probably be on a lab machine or a specially purposed machine, or you could ask nicely and they could register your personal machine on a separate throttling class.

      Our bandwidth is horrible - a lot of the buildings are using sub-cat5 cables, for example - but they did buy an additional 10Mbps on their WAN line. Given the inability to get the powers-that-be on campus to get more bandwidth, the caps and shaping help keep YouTube from drowning out EBSCO and JSTOR.

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  2. Step 3... by argent · · Score: 3, Funny

    1) Scare congress into passing tough new regulations on colleges.
    2) Get colleges to pay for your copyright enforcement.
    3) Profit! Maybe...

    The problem is that even after you do all this, do you actually make more money?

    1. Re:Step 3... by gr3kgr33n · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem is that even after you do all this, do you actually make more money?

      When the [MP|RI]AA make the Network Appliances being Licensed

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  3. Numbers are fun by svendsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    After RTFA it didn't actually mention percentage of total budget that univ. are spending on this. If its 50% of their total budget it is an issue, if its .000000001 how much of an issue is it really? If they are looking to save money there are probably a lot easier ways to do so with much bigger savings.

    1. Re:Numbers are fun by Etrias · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In a way, $100,000 isn't much for a university...any university really. Salary costs alone would eat up this amount quickly.

      No, this $100,000 is likely coming out of small campus programs who are lucky to have a budget. If it's being routed out of the overall tech budget, chances are that's the computer lab upgrade budget or other small, but needed programs that could really use that money. Seems a shame that money isn't being used better.

    2. Re:Numbers are fun by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My wife has worked for more than one University and let me tell you that the waste across the board is horrendous. This is just a drop in the bucket but yet another example of short sighted wasteful spending. Meanwhile, tuition continues to go up at a rate that greatly outpaces core inflation.

    3. Re:Numbers are fun by seanellis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. $100K is still $100K whether it's 10% of $1M or 0.1% of $100M.

      That $100K/yr will pay for tuition for how many students? 2 or 3 in proper subjects? (What are US tuition rates, anyway?) IMO, that's much more worth having than some warm body propping up Britney Spears's bottom line.

      And if this is "many" colleges, that's a lot of kids who could get college scholarship, who aren't.

      Are the US taxpayers happy to have their education tax dollars being spent on this, instead of on educating additional students?

  4. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sorry, I don't believe this. I do the exact same thing for large networks and it doesn't cost anywhere near that much, what I think they did was *any* software or hardware which was used in the process was added to the total cost.
    Ordinary IDS/IPS which just happens to also be used to detect/stop P2P? Add full cost of the solution.
    These stats are shady.

  5. My university is pro/antibittorrent by Plazmid · · Score: 5, Funny

    My university both supports and is against bittorrent. There are posters that say we shouldn't use it, while at the same time there are instructions on how to securely use bittorrent on a university website. Guess it's because we have one of the co-creators of bittorrent on campus.

  6. Pennies in Legal Compliance by mpapet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reality check: this is peanuts.

    How much does the university pay for all kinds of other legal compliance? How many lawyers on staff?

    There's no doubt this is a ridiculous compliance issue. But the average slashdot reader continues to buy new DVD's and pay absurd monthly video content fees that directly support the RIAA. Dog forbid I mention watching less television or consuming fewer media conglomerate products.

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    1. Re:Pennies in Legal Compliance by gooman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the average slashdot reader continues to buy new DVD's and pay absurd monthly video content fees that directly support the RIAA

      Those purchases directly support the MPAA. Just as evil, but a different group.

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  7. Who the hell needs P2P... by geekmux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Went into the campus computer lab to find that the entire room was sitting on live IPs. No NAT, and when I shut off the XP firewall, I was able to ping the machine from the Internet. Naturally, I was logged in with local admin rights.

    Fire up Apache and plug in your external HD chock full o' goodies and away you go...

    Speed tests showed 80Mb down and 90Mb up. Yes, life must be nice sitting on a phat backbone with a class-B to waste. And we have to wonder why we're running out of IPv4 space?

  8. misleading... by qwertphobia · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a bit misleading in my experience.

    I would say that the services and equipment which are used to fight or support or enforce P2P issues are easily at the $100k level in larger universities.

    However, the equipment and services are also used for other purposes such as regulating bandwidth usage, fighting viruses and worms, and limiting network access to only members of the University community.

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  9. That's only 1 FTE by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Insightful
    $100k buys you about one full time person. When you add in all the extra costs (healthcare, faciities etc) on top of their pay.

    On that basis it's hard to see how they could do a proper job for less.

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    1. Re:That's only 1 FTE by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The question is not whether they could do a proper job for less. The question is whether they should be doing this job at all.

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  10. Obligatory quote, I suppose by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Chris: BOOBIES!!
    Lois: Chris, That's enough! Well I'm sure glad to be out of there
    Peter: You said it Lois, what those people are doing just ain't natural.
    Chris: BOOBIES!
    Lois: Did you hear me young man?
    Meg: I don't know what the big deal was? I thought they were nice.
    Chris: BOOBIES!!
    Lois: Peter?
    Peter: Do it.
    (Everybody besides Chris puts on sunglasses and Lois reveals the Neuralizer from Men in Black, and uses it on Chris)
    Lois: Did you have fun at the circus today Chris?
    Chris: Elephants are bigger in person!

    1. Re:Obligatory quote, I suppose by Hojima · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know that a lot of people aren't taking this issue to heart, and a lot of people agree that relative to the university budget, this isn't a lot of money to be spent. However, people need to stop seeing this as a fraction of a large budget, and start seeing it for what it truly is. It isn't until the economy start to depreciate that people see the value of small numbers, and if they would have seen it earlier, it would be helping them out more in desperate times. Just last year, my university paid for Carlos Mencia to do some stand up. Apart from the fact that he's a terrible comedian that did the exact act that anyone can see on comedy central, I'm sure they spent somewhere in the area of the amount that it would cost to keep our multimillion dollar gymnasium a bit cooler for the rest of the year. When you waste that kind of money on something useless, you're not doing your job of keeping university priorities strait. What my university essentially said, is that it's important for some hack to tell everyone that Mexicans eat burritos, so we have to sacrifice comfort when working out. Hell, the robotics club could have used a fraction of that for a better processor on our land vehicle.

    2. Re:Obligatory quote, I suppose by theaveng · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good post.

      Another example on a more-personal level: I have a credit card that gives me 5% off gasoline and food. It's only ~50 cents per fillup or 5 cents per hamburger, which is no big deal, but those pennies quickly accumulate. In just this year alone, I've received $300 in rebates. That's enough money to pay three months worth of electricity bills.

      Small amounts add-up to big amounts. Small wastes add-up to huge wastes & internal corruption.

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    3. Re:Obligatory quote, I suppose by tftp · · Score: 3, Funny

      In just this year alone, I've received $300 in rebates.

      Then you either filled your car up about 600 times per last year (twice a day) or you ate 6,000 hamburgers (20 per day.) Those are amazing numbers!

    4. Re:Obligatory quote, I suppose by TheSambassador · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Parent is right on the dot. My school recently spent about $100,000 bringing some rap groups (Three-Six Mafia and some other guy) for a free concert for our school. Of course, our tuition fees are still only going up... yet it's hard to see why some of this stuff is necessary.

      Why do universities spend so much on P2P? Is it just to avoid the legal fees of the RIAA possibly going after them? Couldn't they just allocate a certain amount of bandwidth to each student (maybe like 512k or so) and let them do whatever they want with it?

    5. Re:Obligatory quote, I suppose by theaveng · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I *never* carry a balance. I don't want to pay interest.

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  11. Chop off students' hands by gelfling · · Score: 3, Funny

    Seriously, you want ruthless compliance then mutilate people who violate it. And while we're at it let's execute pornographers in the town square. In fact let's make all crimes capital crimes. What about all the GOOD things they do in North Korea?

  12. Re:Only 100,000 a year? by konohitowa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In as much as I suspect that few here will want to hear your opinion (modding should indicate whether I'm right about that), I was hoping to find something along those lines.

    My first thought when I read the headline was "big deal". When you consider the cost of a private education, $100k at a private institution is trivial. The government takes that much from me every year, and I figure the same people up in arms about the P2P cost wouldn't shed a single tear over my tax bill. Although at least the institutions can do it by choice, whereas my options all involve shedding myself of income.

  13. Easy Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just enroll 2.5 more students and you'll have an extra 100K

  14. Exactly. by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Colleges are put in the very uncomfortable position of ISP for their residential students.

    and they should behave like an ISP and stop filtering crap for unrelated corporate interests.

    Just follow the law and provide information if served with proper papers, and let the students *gasp*, make their own choices and take responsibility for them.

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    1. Re:Exactly. by harl · · Score: 2, Funny

      Personal responsibility?! Not in the USA. Here everything is someone else's fault. You should sue.

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    2. Re:Exactly. by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      this is not true with universities. They have massive internet throughput, and if they apply DSL speed policies to each residence hall connection, there would be no issue with bandwidth hogs.

      As for the other ISP's used in your rationalization, they need to INCREASE.. THEIR... CAPACITY. You don't see any other manufacturer engage in rationing when they reach plant capacity. They add wings to their plant or build a new one.

      Not to mention that we have to respond to p2p notices. At our school, we get so many notices that one full-time staffer (at $40k/year salary--with benefits, the cost goes up to around $55-60k/year) devoted to working with issues related to the DMCA. That's not insignificant.

      100k a year to censor student lines and deny them the right to civil disobedience (and to face the possible consequences thereof) against abusive corporate interests, or a couple more staff members. Hmm..

      Did your university also refuse to provide computer networks because that would require you hire IT staff?

      How about sports fields because you'd have to increase grounds keeping budgets?

      What makes the MAFIAA so special. Welcome to the real world where costs increase occasionally.

      If we didn't discourage p2p using technological means, it may well require more staff, as I assume that the notifications would increase.

      Oh NO!! you'd have to do your jobs instead of screwing the students on the MAFIAA's behest!!!

      And most of the people who have to do the grunt work of the DMCA enforcement at the university level (again, at least here) really hate every aspect of dealing with it, and really wish that the RIAA/MPAA would just go away.

      So instead, you subject your students to the great firewall of china at their behest, inconveniencing them much more (especially wow players) than your staff, who should be doing their jobs. (the jobs people like me paid 30k/yr after aid to do)

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  15. professors costs $500K by peter303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    $200K salary and $300K office, staff overhead. The prof is expected to pul in that much in grants.

  16. Real problem is absurdity by jasmak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I recently graduated from Penn State and the real problem lies with the fact that the people in charge of discipline action have no idea what they are doing. They are not special tech administrators but instead send you to the Judicial affairs office for violations. I had my internet turned off for 2 weeks and could have gotten a disciplinary action from the school (such as suspension, expulsion, etc) because someone had apparently downloaded the shareware version of Dreamweaver from me. Yes I am talking about the 30 day trial. Until you get administrators that understand technology, you cannot be effective in this fight against student rights.

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  17. What about Google? by hostguy2004 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Didn't Google start up as a dorm room project?

    At one point, Google was using half the college's bandwidth running their search bot. Something people should think about next time they say "limit bandwidth" or "6mbs" is not needed for anything other than downloading MP3s from P2P.

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  18. Colleges may not have that luxury... by Xenographic · · Score: 2, Informative

    > and they should behave like an ISP and stop filtering crap for unrelated corporate interests.

    The RIAA then sponsored a bill trying to get their federal funding cut off if they didn't do something about P2P. That provision was watered down, but they've still been told to, in effect, "do something" about the RIAA's problems.

    Whether they want to or not.