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Finding Better Tech Broadcasts?

BearGrylls writes "As a young lad and aspiring technologist I have found shows like Revision3's 'The Broken' and 'Systm' to be entertaining, informative, and, most importantly, thorough. As time has gone on revision3 has kept some of the tech-related shows, but dumbed them down to appeal to a larger audience. This annoyed me, but I've continued to be a loyal viewer of their tech shows anyway. However, I suspect this trend to continue and my disappointment to grow. Where can I find tech shows that dive deep into projects and discussions instead of simply skimming the surface?"

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  1. Re: by dukeofurl01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've never had a first post before.

    I haven't found any TV shows I like about Tech in a long time, but I like Make magazine.

  2. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Way to blow it

  3. Educational TV by mac1235 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The show isn't just getting dumber, you're also getting smarter.

    1. Re:Educational TV by theaveng · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There's more to it than that. The OP's opinion: "dumbed them down to appeal to a larger audience" describes cable television (or any mass media) perfectly. As time goes on, the requirement for more-and-more viewers, requires lowering the intelligence to where even Jimmy-Joe Bob can understand.

      I remember when TLC was called the Learning Channel and actually had intelligent programming. Now it's more akin to the "Tender Loving Care" channel about babies, weddings, and other stuff that doesn't require thinking. Discover Channel has also been dumbed down. Ditto Animal Planet. Ditto A&E.

      The History Channel is the only basic cable channel that still teaches something useful. The rest don't require anything more than 5th grade education.

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    2. Re:Educational TV by arotenbe · · Score: 4, Funny

      The History Channel is the only basic cable channel that still teaches something useful.

      The History Channel... is that the one with all the shows about bible codes and UFOs?

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    3. Re:Educational TV by j85ason · · Score: 4, Funny

      The History Channel is the only basic cable channel that still teaches something useful.

      The History Channel... is that the one with all the shows about bible codes and UFOs?

      They also have programming about Nazis.

    4. Re:Educational TV by arotenbe · · Score: 4, Funny

      They also have programming about Nazis.

      That was one heck of a fast Godwin.

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    5. Re:Educational TV by theaveng · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sci-Fi Channel - yet another channel that was dumbed down. I remember when they had "talk shows" that visited conventions to meet the fans, discussed new technologies that were emerging, and interviewed authors about their latest books. Now the channel fills its primetime slots with "Scared Stupid", "Dishonest Seances", and other hokey nonsense.

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    6. Re:Educational TV by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Informative

      I remember when TLC was called the Learning Channel and actually had intelligent programming. Now it's more akin to the "Tender Loving Care" channel

      I refer to it as "The Ladies Channel".

    7. Re:Educational TV by RulerOf · · Score: 2, Funny

      They should call it the conspiracy channel.

      If a new network sprung up with the same budget as the History channel and had that name, I'm afraid to think of how many people would take it seriously.

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    8. Re:Educational TV by yttrstein · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That happened to me with Slashdot many years ago. I noticed one day while I was sitting on my cube reading the comments for some post about network security...and I realized that the comments were generally completely factually incorrect, the theories being handed up were generally weak, and the article itself was pitted with subjectivity and blurred facts.

      I thought Slashdot was changing then too, but it wasn't. It turns out that while I wasn't paying attention, I'd become more experienced in the ways of such things than the average Slashdot poster.

      Or editor for that matter.

    9. Re:Educational TV by norton112200 · · Score: 2

      Screensavers: dumbed down so much it ceased to exist.

    10. Re:Educational TV by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then IMO you have a responsibility to CORRECT those wrong assertions. Not all of them, but at least one or two, or else nobody else is going to learn.

      Just a thought.

  4. Revision 3 has new, better shows! by mldkfa · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have also found them to dumb down the old shows. But they just added Hak5 to their lineup. This show is great for advanced users. They really get technical with all things network, hacking, games, .... I also found the audio pod casts from Leo Leport to be good.

  5. On TV? No. by iamapizza · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You won't find any. That's why these shows are on TV - for people who don't want to bother reading specs and details.

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    1. Re:On TV? No. by rugatero · · Score: 4, Informative

      Oddly, I thought your point was clearer the first time!

      As it happens I do quite enjoy The Gadget Show (UK) - although it doesn't always go into as much detail as I would like, and suffers from an occasional bout of "oooh... shiney!".

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    2. Re:On TV? No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There was a great series shown in the UK for a while, called "Planet Mechanics". They built, from scratch or any simple materials they could lay their hands on, a high pressure water turbine for off grid electricity, a working wind turbine generator, a compressed air powered moped, a farm slurry digester to make methane for fuel, all kinds of stuff.

  6. No content in Tech TV by elendrum · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have never found any of the tech shows to discuss Tech for the most part. I wanted to her about the core level stuff, life what languages was best for what types of developments. What trends where in the works and how to best use them. How to make the most of product XYZ and not just O hey we installed it and it made nice pretty charts. I wanted to know how best to secure my networks and what products did what and what was the best approach and how to make product xyz do it. But, all I got was "Hey this is a neat new toy yall all need to go out and buy XYZ. Today show was sponsored buy the people who make XYZ, go buy it!" I want more than a bunch of commercials and cute girls pointing to the shinny new boxes.

  7. GDGT.com by davidpfarrell · · Score: 5, Informative

    I listen to TWIT (This Week In Tech) regularly, mainly for Leo Laporte and any guest who isn't Dvorak. I don't find Leo to be particularly techy, but he's quite entertaining and controls the flow of the show well.

    They mention Rev3 alot and also a new site called GDGT (GaDGeT) which is supposedly good - I must admit I haven't found time to check it out yet.

    Okay no excuses, subsribing to an RSS feed is dead simple, so I'm going go ahead and subscribe to GDGT and check it out. - Oh and IO9 while I'm at it.

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  8. Re:I have seen the same by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Surely the choice between a Latin (I'm guessing) plural and an English one is just a choice to use a particular writing style. I bet you don't like split infinitives either.

    Greek. Although the spirit of your reply is correct; the same applies to words such as "virus": the Anglicized plural "viruses" is acceptable, even though in the original Latin there is no plural form (it's a mass noun).

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  9. Google's Tech Talks by NoTheory · · Score: 2, Informative

    The internet is just jam packed with info. Just go sign up for Google's tech talk RSS feed on youtube, that's just a small corner of mostly tech, most of the time (and the occasional diversion into human rights or harry potter as a philosophically christian themed narrative :P ).

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    1. Re:Google's Tech Talks by TobascoKid · · Score: 2, Informative

      I stopped watching Google Tech Talks after they moved form Google Video to YouTube. Back on GV, I could download a fairly high quality AVI that I could easily play on my TV. Now that they're on YouTube, downloading isn't quite as easy and the video quality is nowhere near as good.

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  10. Re:TechTV by oodaloop · · Score: 2, Funny

    And I miss Turkey TV. I'm sure that helps even less.

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  11. Re:I have seen the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Indeed. They should be using kilometres instead of stadia.

  12. Re:I have seen the same by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I think is happening is that news and factual reporting is a deeper fracture between a "TV" and an "internet" audience.

    The internet now provides news in incredible depth. If you read bloggers who really know their subject, you'll get far more depth than TV ever gave you, and often more depth than most newspapers. You ever heard a TV economics reporter explaining the Laffer Curve or Basquiat's Broken Window Fallacy? You just never get that stuff. When the political parties were arguing about post office closures, not one journalism did the digging that showed that it was basically an issue of EU subsidies (that the government couldn't fund Post Offices).

    On the other hand, TV news is incredibly dumb now. A story like Kerry Katona being made bankrupt never made the news when I was a kid. It was almost entirely hard news.

    If people want to know why there's a real lack of hard science on TV, it's for this reason. Because the science audience is gone. They're watching video clips on YouTube or reading papers about science. Science coverage on TV is more "technology" now (which actually just means gadget reporting).

  13. Hackermedia by droops · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://hackermedia.org/ is a site that aggregates awesome tech shows. If anyone sees anything that I am missing please email me. While I am pimping out projects I work on, http://hackerpublicradio.org/ is a great show that is done by the community, not any set hosts.

  14. TWiTNetwork by rlp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Leo Laporte's TWiT (named after the flagship show "This Week in Tech") network at twit.tv. It includes downloadable audio casts and streaming video. I listen to it on my daily commute. Two good ones are FLOSS Weekly with Randall Schwartz and Security Now with Steve Gibson. I was just listening to FLOSS weekly today -- they had a KDE developer on discussing the latest developments.

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  15. Re:I have seen the same by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Informative

    No-one says stadia.

    I present myself as a counterexample.

    It's not even correct to do so.

    The Oxford English Dictionary and American Heritage Dictionary offer both "stadiums" and "stadia" as plurals for "stadium". Webster offers only "stadia".

    English nouns (such as stadium) pluralize with an s on the end.

    There are no simple criterions for determining how English nouns pluralise, whatever they may teach childs where you live. Yet somehow, in spite of the many "crisises" of which we hear so much in the mediums, the English language has survived. It seems to have more lifes than a cat.

  16. Expand your horizons by sp332 · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you're looking for in-depth tech, you can't beat the video archives of technical conferences. Sure, there are some boring presentations, but you can usually tell the boring ones in the first few minutes and go try another. My favorite site is the Chaos Communication Congress, which has everything from presentations from the Mifare hackers, to technical improvements to nmap, to geek culture presentations. Great stuff in there.

    Citizen Engineer only has one episode out so far, and looks like it's going to be mostly hardhacking, but it's definitely not dumbed-down.

    On the other hand, if you're looking for a serious discussion on the future of tech with a stronger grip on reality than Popular Science, try MIT's LabCast videos, with footage of working prototypes.

    1. Re:Expand your horizons by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can find serious tech, from the realm of computing at least, in the ACM conference proceedings which can include video of tutorials and paper presentations at conferences, e.g. the SIGGRAPH conference proceedings DVD. Check out http://www.acm.org/

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  17. Why not DIY? by Phreakiture · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the spirit of open source, if something is making you itch, you have the opportunity to scratch it.

    I used to host a tech-oriented radio show on a local community radio station. I also syndicated the show using radio4all.net.

    Television is a little harder to do, but thanks to sites like YouTube, it is possible to do on the cheap, because Google will absorb the bandwidth costs if your show is a success (and reap the ad revenue).

    You can also do what Kevin Rose did in the early days of the Broken: Encourage your show to be distributed far and wide by whatever means are available.

    Granted, none of these are likely to produce a result with as much production value as Revision3 shows (there's nothing like geeking out in HD), but it can get you started.

    . . . if you want to go that route. If not, that's okay, too

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  18. NPR Science Friday by jddj · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's not always tech, but it's never dumbed-down. 2 hours a week. Podcast available.

  19. Forget your television. by Poodleboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you want to learn about something complex and nuanced, then your television is the wrong place to look. It has been argued by sociologists like Neil Postman in his book Amusing Ourselves to Death, and even by admen themselves, like Jerry Mander in his Four Arguments for The Elimination of Television, that the medium of television is a poor conduit for complex ideas.

    Even the networks which have not arguably been "dumbed down," like the History Channel mentioned here, are a pretty poor provider of accurate detail, although they are certainly entertaining. For example, the "Engineering an Empire" program covering they Byzantines suggested that the Emperor Justinian was a brilliant leader, whereas in fact he was not a visionary at all, but an easily manipulated tool whose military victories in Europe, vaunted by the program, were provided by his general Belisarius (cf. Lord Mahon's The Life of Belisarius).

    Personally, I recommend books for the fundamentals and periodicals from the IEEE or ACM for the leading edge. Television is only good for a broad overview of the current buzz, not for diving deep into anything.

  20. Re:I have seen the same by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think you were on some bo-bo "Websters" site. M-W.com (i.e. the "real Websters") accepts both forms.

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