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Honda Makes Motorcycle Talk To Oncoming Cars

An anonymous reader writes "The system generates warnings to riders and drivers of other vehicles by continuous exchange of positioning data from satellite GPS sources. This is particularly relevant as road users approach intersections, alerting them to other vehicles that are potentially on a collision course, allowing avoidance manoeuvres."

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  1. Link to original article at Honda by MLopat · · Score: 4, Informative
  2. Re:Interesting idea by LunaticTippy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems like a bad idea. If 95% of vehicles have it people will become lax in watching for those 5% that don't. Why not just pay attention with your vision orbs?

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  3. good for safety? many cars pull out in front of MC by molo · · Score: 3, Informative

    This could be very good for the safety of motorcyclists if widely deployed. Many motorcycle accidents involve cars pulling out in front of motorcycles and the car driver saying that they didn't see the motorcycle.

    My only concern is for privacy. The broadcast message should not include the VIN or any other unique identifier that could be used for tracking.

    More at the Honda Site. It seems to use a Car-to-Car protocol that is in development.

    All this kit though looks like it would add significant cost to a motorcycle. :(

    -molo

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  4. Attention: Motorcycle Rider by vjmurphy · · Score: 3, Funny

    It should warn when the motorcyclist is doing something asinine, which many in my state seem to do.

    <kitt-voice>
    Michael, you are not wearing a helmet.
    Michael, perhaps driving between rows of cars is not the best method of saving time?
    Michael, do you know what "yield" means?
    Michael, zooming down the highway at 80mph isn't very safe.
    Michael, watch out for that dangerous inters - *Connection severed*
    </kitt-voice>

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    1. Re:Attention: Motorcycle Rider by dltaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll grant you three of five, but "lane splitting" (legal in California under a large range of circumstances) really IS the best method of getting around Southern California. It doesn't add to the danger, if done reasonably, and the time savings are enormous. I've cut some trip times in half that way (90 min by car to 45 min on the bike), without speeding.

      As far as 80 MPH, there are times and places on the highways where riding less than that is more dangerous because you are exposed to a "rear-ender" by a driver who cannot see a motorcycle that is right in front of him. A better line might be to say that exceeding the pace of traffic so much that you have to constantly change lanes isn't very safe.

    2. Re:Attention: Motorcycle Rider by illumin8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll grant you three of five, but "lane splitting" (legal in California under a large range of circumstances) really IS the best method of getting around Southern California. It doesn't add to the danger, if done reasonably, and the time savings are enormous. I've cut some trip times in half that way (90 min by car to 45 min on the bike), without speeding.

      It may indeed be faster, but it sure as hell isn't safe. Riding on a motorcycle is hazardous enough. When you're "lane splitting", all it takes is one car changing lanes or pulling over to the side of his lane, or another driver opening his car door to put you in the ER.

      How many times have you seen morning drivers open their car door in stopped traffic to dump out their coffee? Now how would you like to find out what happens when an object moving 40 mph (you) collides with a stationary object (car door)?

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    3. Re:Attention: Motorcycle Rider by dltaylor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "reasonably" means doing it when traffic is slow enough that lane changing is hard for the cages (cars/SUVs/pickup trucks), and still giving yourself enough time to see the potential change and avoid it. You learn to watch the faces of the drivers in the mirrors and you can see their head movements to give you information about their intent (it's not like anyone signals). It also means no splitting at 80 when they're doing 15 (yes, I have seen the bikes that do it, but that doesn't make it "reasonable", although it is sometimes "evolution in action").

      You also learn to watch out for situations that create "holes" in traffic, particularly when it is slowing or speeding up, and avoid being between the hole and someone looking to fill it. In fact, the situations when being between a cage and a gap when NOT lane splitting concern me more than when I'm splitting because the cages' freedom of movement provides more opportunity for them to try to kill me.

      The real danger to motorcyclists in stop-and-go traffic is that the driver behind almost never actually sees you and will (nearly always) stop just before his bumper hits the car ahead of him, regardless of the presence of the motorcycle between. We lose a few riders, including law enforcement officers on their "work" bikes, to that every year in Southern California.

  5. Not a Luddite, but not a believer either by Duncan+Blackthorne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been riding motorcycles for 26 years (more miles riding than driving cars) and my body of experience tells me this: it doesn't matter how many fancy gadgets they come up with, the average automobile driver just plain isn't looking for and doesn't see motorcyclists. The only way I have been able to preserve my life and retain all my original body parts is by assuming they're all actively trying to kill me, and protect myself accordingly.

    1. Re:Not a Luddite, but not a believer either by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

      The only way I have been able to preserve my life and retain all my original body parts is by assuming they're all actively trying to kill me, and protect myself accordingly.

      Hence, the AK-47, body armor, and the grenade launcher mounted to the bike.

    2. Re:Not a Luddite, but not a believer either by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually many cyclists wear body armor. my motorcycle leathers have it built in. I have kevlar and composite plastic in the back and elbows and shoulders. it's comfortable and from a friend that was ran off the road by some blond idiot in a escalade it saves your life when you wipe out at 30mph and eat a tree with your back.

      "oops I did not see you, sorry!" is their favorite line.

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  6. Re:Interesting idea by Altus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly. As a rider myself I would be wary of such a system. I'd worry that it would split my concentration and that I wouldn't be as focused on every curb cut and side street as a potential threat.

    On the other hand, I wouldn't mind it if oncoming cars were alerted to my presence before they come flying out of a side street (or merge into my lane on the highway if possible).

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  7. I think they need to do buildings first. by Hucko · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think they need to do buildings first. Maybe not to ward off on-coming traffic, but for triangulation. If buildings like the towns city hall were to pipe up and give out their latitude/longitude, it shouldn't be too hard to remove the unreliable gps from the equation. The more buildings of significance were to participate the easier it would be to create maps based on that town/city. Then cars can locate themselves and others. If 75% of cars have local positioning system, then it becomes mandatory.

    Security would be a nightmare though.

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  8. Re:My Honda VFR motorcycle already does this by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and it's useless. Loud pipes are for annoying people not for any other use.

    it's simple physics... if the loud noise is exiting the BACK of the bike throgh a directed horn facing and traveling away from you, how the hell will the bimbo in the BMW that is 500 feet ahead of you going to hear it? she wont and she does not. even the big motorcycle safety organizations refuse the claims about lout pipes save lives.

    Loud pipes are simply for being a public ass. No other reason, stop trying to justify it and just admit you like annoying people.

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  9. Re:Interesting idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >I wouldn't be as focused on every curb cut and side street as a potential threat.

    That is exactly was airline pilot said when TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) was mandated. Today, most of them would feel naked flying without it.

    It just another tool to be integrated into your scan and could prove to be a life saving feature when approaching a blind intersection on an unlit country road at night.

  10. Re:Interesting idea by cailith1970 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Something like this MAY have helped when I got collected by a 4WD (truck) with a bullbar last year while riding home from work. Here I was on a bright red sports bike, headlights on, stopped at an intersection behind a row of cars. BAM, right in to the back of me and pushed me into the back of the car in front like a pinball.

    He swore he didn't see me. Granted, he was DUI, but a little alert telling him that he was approaching something at 60kph that was going to break when he hit it would have been useful. And less painful. For me, anyway.

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  11. Not new. by Falconhell · · Score: 4, Informative

    Glider pilots developed a low cost collision avoidance system called FLARM.

    The small-size, low-cost, low-power device FLARM broadcasts its own position and speed vector (as obtained with an integrated GPS) over a license-free ISM band radio transmission. At the same time it listens to other devices based on the same standard. Intelligent motion prediction algorithms predict short-term conflicts and warn the pilot accordingly by acoustical and visual means. FLARM incorporates a high-precision WAAS 16-channel GPS receiver and an integrated low-power radio transceiver.

    See www.FLARM.com

  12. Hmmm by speedingant · · Score: 4, Funny

    Motorcycle: Hey you! Car! Look out for me, I'm right over here!!
    Car: Wha..? I can't see you. Who the hell is this?
    Motorcycle: I'm right here! Can't you see me?!
    Car: I think I can.... oh I can s... *BLAM*