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Microsoft Unveils Browser-Based Office Apps

snydeq writes "Microsoft followed up its Windows Azure unveiling by announcing that it will deliver lightweight versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote through the browser, a la Google Apps. Surprisingly, Office Web applications will run in Firefox and Safari, not just Internet Explorer. Far less shocking: You won't get Office Web apps free and clear as you do Google apps. The apps are meant to be an extension to locally installed instances of the next version of Microsoft Office, the same way Outlook Web Access provides access to mail without the fat Outlook client."

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  1. Runs on FF/Safair? by pseudorand · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do the FF/Safari versions lack all but the bare bones features like OWA for FF/Safari?

    1. Re:Runs on FF/Safair? by D4MO · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's silverlight based, so no. Also, it'll also run in Firefox on Linux via moonlight.

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    2. Re:Runs on FF/Safair? by muuh-gnu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I kinda doubt Linux will be supported.

      > The apps are meant to be an extension to locally installed
      > instances of the next version of Microsoft Office,

      How its then supposed to run on Linux at all?

    3. Re:Runs on FF/Safair? by D4MO · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, extended out to the web using a hosted service, run by you or someone else. No they are not providing linux app, they are providing Silverlight/Ajax apps, which will work on Linux with Moonlight. There seems to some confusion regarding the word "extension" and it's scope. You need to be thinking cloud man ;)

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    4. Re:Runs on FF/Safair? by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are we accepting Silverlight as a valid system requirement now?

      I don't mean that as an anti-Microsoft question, but I don't want to have to install every company's obscure little proprietary plugins to run my apps and access my data. Flash is bad enough, but I draw the line directly behind Flash and won't go any further. In fact, I'm still hoping to boot Flash to the other side of that line, especially since it crashes my browser on a regular basis, but I still seem to be stuck with it.

      But regardless of who's developing it, I'm loath to install another proprietary incompatible Flash clone.

    5. Re:Runs on FF/Safair? by dhavleak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm still hoping to boot Flash to the other side of that line, especially since it crashes my browser on a regular basis, but I still seem to be stuck with it.

      Install, and lobby in favor of Silverlight then. Silverlight is far more stable/secure/lightweight than flash, and it's 10x easier to develop for. So if it replaces Flash, you're still in the position of having to install a plugin, but at least you'll be done with browser crashes..

    6. Re:Runs on FF/Safair? by dhavleak · · Score: 2, Informative

      Its untested, Flash has 12 years behind it.

      In those 12 years Flash has proven to be buggy and insecure. Developing for Flash (ActionScript) has been a joke so far.

      Its not cross platform. Mention Moonlight and I'll hit you. I cannot type 'emerge moonlight' yet ergo its not anywhere near ready.

      1. Violence is never the answer.

      2. Typing 'emerge moonlight' is your own arbitrary test for being cross-platform -- it doesn't really mean anything.

      3. With the recent exception of Flash 9, Flash has a long history of leaving Linux users in the lurch.

      And I'd trust Microsoft for security if my IQ was 50 and I didnt care that much.

      That's just typical groupthink regarding MS. Read this. I've seen in the past that people aren't very objective when discussing MS's security track record, so let me just try and summarize by saying that you were correct about 4 years ago -- now, you're just behind the times.

    7. Re:Runs on FF/Safair? by cheater512 · · Score: 2, Informative

      So your telling me that Moonlight is ready for action, completely stable and on par with Silverlight?

      Oh and whats that I see on Slashdot's front page?
      *Another* security flaw allowing remote code execution requiring a out of schedule patch release?
      With example code floating around?
      Groupthink indeed.

    8. Re:Runs on FF/Safair? by dhavleak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It may be an arbitrary test, but it's a very good one. If it's not present in the largest and most complete package repository for Linux, it's probably not relevant.

      You just called every non-open source piece of code irrelevant.

      I realize that might have actually been your intent, but I hope you realize how foolish that sounds.

  2. MS Gets it right? by Trojan35 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Positioning it as an extension of office is much more appealing to me than google's broadband-dependent offering. For all the times MS looks completely befuddled by consumer needs, the office team seems to know what it's doing.

    1. Re:MS Gets it right? by sakonofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft knows cloud computing will be a joke.

      And on the off chance cloud computing just happens to be popular, Microsoft wants to make sure people keep sending me .doc/docx files.

    2. Re:MS Gets it right? by marcosdumay · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's an extension of Office in licensing. That means, it is a completely unrelated app, that is browser based (that means, it will also be broadband-dependent) that will only be licenced for your use if you brought a licence of Office.

    3. Re:MS Gets it right? by Itninja · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I get a little spooked running Google apps for business (not to say I don't). Sometimes I think, 'wow. if my broadband decided to go down for half a day...then my entire business would grind to a halt'. Not that it wouldn't be impacted either way, but with solely cloud-based basics like word processing, we couldn't even work with files offline until the ISP came back.

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    4. Re:MS Gets it right? by Firehed · · Score: 5, Informative

      a) Google Gears. Get it. Now.
      b) It'd also take down your email and numerous other systems, and as a Slashdotter I assume you have a tech-oriented business that rather relies on internet connectivity so you'd be largely screwed regardless of how you manage your documents.

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    5. Re:MS Gets it right? by zlogic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Google Gears doesn't allow creating new documents in Google Docs in offline mode. No printing or saving either.

    6. Re:MS Gets it right? by iamhigh · · Score: 3, Informative

      They aren't real sure about cloud computer, but they are pretty sure integrating web functionality into their desktop software is a good idea. IMHO I think this is a stepping stone to when you will HAVE to use OfficeLive (or whatever it's called). You will have a bare bones set of functionality on your PC, and NEED the web service to supply most of your features. This will greatly reduce the ability to pirate their best (and most pirated?) software, MS Office. I don't know if it will work, but I firmly believe this is what MS is shooting for.

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    7. Re:MS Gets it right? by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except for putting in Active X controls means that it will not fully function with other browers or OS's, phones, or strict security settings. The point of Web Based Office tools is Near Universal access across systems. If I took Firefox for Linux I want to run the app with full functionality. No Active X nonsense.

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  3. but by ionix5891 · · Score: 4, Funny

    will it have Clippy :p

    1. Re:but by blair1q · · Score: 5, Funny

      but he'll be in Ajax

      so he's cool now

    2. Re:but by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 5, Funny

      It looks like you're trying to modify a post. Would you like help with that?

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  4. locally installed? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The apps are meant to be an extension to locally installed instances of the next version of Microsoft Office, the same way Outlook Web Access provides access to mail without the fat Outlook client.

    Except in order to use Outlook Web Access, I don't need to have a "locally installed instance" of Outlook. I understand where they're going with this, but the example that the author used doesn't seem very apt.

    1. Re:locally installed? by guruevi · · Score: 3, Informative

      You need to have a seat (license or CAL as Microsoft calls them) for Exchange for every client that would connect through OWA.

      In most situations, clients need three different licenses:

      A license for the desktop operating system (i.e., Windows XP).
      A client access license (CAL) for the Windows server. This license allows the client to legally connect to the server over the network. If you are using per server licensing, then you need a separate CAL for every Windows server on your network. If you are using per seat licensing, then you only need one CAL.
      An Exchange CAL. This is the license that permits the clients to access the Exchange server. At one time, Exchange clients also required a license to use Microsoft Outlook, but today an Outlook license is included with each Exchange CAL.

      The rule is that an Exchange CAL is required for any person or device that is accessing Exchange. This includes access through Microsoft Outlook, Outlook Web Access, Outlook Mobile Access, Exchange ActiveSync, or any other messaging interface.

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  5. web-friendly gui toolkit? by radarsat1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm curious whether they are using a common GUI toolkit for their local and web-based versions of these apps.

    I'm beginning to like the idea of being able to write a locally-running app and also make it web-based in one swoop.

    I guess MS wouldn't be the only ones going this way. Things like GWT and Google Gears and XULrunner make this quite possible. I'm just wondering if MS is uses similar in-house technology.

  6. Microsoft and Cloud by mebrahim · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft is embracing the cloud. I'm worrying about the weather.

  7. But the most important question... by Lysdestic · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sure, it can run under Firefox and Safari, but what about the most important question: Will it run on Linux?

  8. OWA is an Exchange feature by Calinous · · Score: 3, Informative

    it is part of the Exchange email server, it's not part of the Outlook/Office.

  9. Licensing will Doom Them by mpapet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, it may look pretty, but what's the EULA going to be on this hit of the Microsoft crack pipe? The gradual tightening of their EULA's is another reason the company I work for won't entertain budget spent for new Microsoft licenses.

    Have you read the silverlight EULA? Since it's job-related I did, and let me tell you it's not pretty.

    We're a small business that has purchased Microsoft site licenses over the years. I gotta wonder how long Microsoft can alienate customers like us before it starts affecting their top and bottom lines.

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  10. Browser... by LunarEffect · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now all we need is a standard compliant browser to run this on! *cough*

  11. StarOffice by DavidpFitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, basically the same idea we had at Sun years ago (about 10!) with StarPortal?!

    Plus ca change.

    D.

  12. So.... by AVryhof · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have been using OO.org in conjunction with the ZOHO/Google Apps plugin to make Google Apps and ZOHO Office an extension to OO.org. ...and even cooler, the ZOHO developer API allows me to use ZOHO as an extension of my other web apps. So, what are the advantages of using this with MS Office?

    In my quest for cross-platform capabilities, I have been using apps that generally work this way. Most of my word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, PDF (Zoho reader), documents are accessible to me in quite a few ways.

    1. OO.org
    2. ZOHO Office
    3. Google Apps
    4. The eyeOS desktop installed on my own web server.

    What I would like to see now is the ability to sync them all without OO.org and use one OpenID with all of the services.

  13. The patch! by symbolset · · Score: 2, Interesting

    2. The patch was released before the exploit was available -- that's a win for MS.

    Bzzt! Wrong!:

    We discovered this vulnerability as part of our research into a limited series of targeted malware attacks against Windows XP systems that we discovered about two weeks ago through our ongoing monitoring.

    Microsoft developed the patch in response to targeted attacks. Therefore exploit code was in the wild before the patch. You are right about it dating back to XP, and all prior versions of Windows. Someone, somewhere, has been exploiting this remotely exploitable security hole in highly targeted attacks for an indeterminate number of years. Who knows what valuable proprietary data they've got so far? What corporate secrets were leaked? Every time this happens we get some idiot on here blathering about how things are better now. Well that wasn't true before, was it? It wasn't true last time, was it? Note the 10 XP vulnerability blurb footing the story. What convincing evidence do you offer that this time they really, really mean it?

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  14. Ah, yes... more maneuvering toward subscriptions by macraig · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here we go again: another attempt to maneuver people toward software subscriptions and changing the perception of software as a tool to an image of software as content... for which people are already accustomed - habituated, in traditional Pavlovian fashion - to forking over cash every month without really analyzing the big picture. (This is one tactic used by manipulative people to concentrate massive amounts of material wealth... toward themselves and away from everyone else. It's totally Darwinian but not very ethical.)