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The IDA Pro Book

An anonymous reader writes "After attending DEFCON in August and seeing the overwhelming interest in this book, I was eager to dive into The IDA Pro Book by Chris Eagle. Chris Eagle's team, School of Root, won the 'Capture the Flag' event at DEFCON this year and Chris gave a presentation on CollabREate, a tool that integrates with IDA Pro to allow collaboration in reverse engineering (RE). All of that — together with the fact that the book sold out — screamed that this book should quickly make it to the top of my list." This review originally appeared on The Ethical Hacker Network. The IDA Pro Book author Chris Eagle pages 640 publisher No Starch Press rating 9/10 reviewer Ryan Linn ISBN 1593271786 summary An information-packed guide to IDA Once I had the book in-hand, the cover alone offered some insight into what was to come. The quote on the front of the book is an endorsement from the creator of IDA Pro. The image on the front is a throwback to the Operation game by Milton Bradley, which reminds me of how I felt when I got started doing reverse engineering. I am not a professional Reverse Engineer or Malware Analyst; however, my coding background and my current position as a security professional at SAS affords the opportunity to dabble. This puts me in the perfect middle ground of being able to understand the material as well as assess its ability to teach.

The IDA Pro Book is broken up into a number of different "Parts" each having several chapters and its own goal. Even if the content appears to be beyond your level of knowledge in a certain area, I highly recommend that you keep reading. It may also be handy to point out the fact that the book is 640 pages. So this lends itself to being more of a reference guide than a book read straight through from cover to cover.

I should also mention at this point that the book is about the 5.X tree of IDA Pro, and not the freeware version. There is a demo that you can download off of the IDA Pro Website if you aren't able to purchase the full version right away. In addition, there is a reference at the back discussing how the freeware version differs from the commercial version, so as long as you are ok with those restrictions while you are learning, this book still should be very handy.

One of the most important sections of Chris' book is found in "Introduction to IDA." The author discusses disassembly and the challenges that go with it, the tools involved with reverse engineering and disassembly, and a general breakdown of how these tools approach the binaries that they are analyzing. He also references other tools that are handy alongside IDA Pro, and outlines how they fit into the reverse engineering process. Finally information about IDA Pro licensing and installation is discussed, and the base information that you will need for the rest of your IDA Pro adventure is laid out.

Once the basics of RE have been covered, the author addresses the fundamentals of using IDA Pro. Unlike some other books, this book does a great job of letting you know where you should be looking when it lays out a block of assembly code. The references are well laid out as well. "Part II: Basic IDA Usage" progresses logically and eases you into the interface. It does a great job helping you figure out what all the new windows are doing, and how to get to the information that IDA Pro is providing. The content moves from basic skills such as finding the disassembly into manipulating the disassembly to be more meaningful then to optimizing the disassembly process. It shows you how to navigate the code, and how to incorporate other knowledge that you have about the binary you are disassembling, such as what headers or what libraries might have been used in order to obtain the most useful disassembly possible and facilitate the disassembly of the binary.

"Part III: Advanced IDA Usage" gets deeper into using IDA Pro, including utilizing the Fast Library Identification and Recognition Technology (FLIRT) signatures and custom files in order to suck the most information possible out of a binary before analysis. You also get a glimpse into how to modify the pieces of the application which can be modified only through config files. It concludes by explaining the patch capabilities of IDA Pro and discussing what the limitations and expectations should be. This Part provides insight into creating your own signatures for custom libraries that might not be available in IDA Pro, so, as you start working on real life applications, you can tailor IDA Pro to be able to recognize libraries that you frequently encounter.

After the basics of using the application have been covered, the author explains how to extend the capabilities of IDA Pro in Parts III and IV. He discusses in depth the scripting engine and how to build plug-ins and modules. Throughout this Part numerous examples are given of how the scripting and plug-ins fit into the application. Short detailed examples are used to illustrate how to accomplish some tasks that would be useful for a reverse engineer including listing out function information. The beginning of the chapter was great. As a beginning Reverse Engineer, I was able to clearly see how this information would apply. For the stuff that was beyond my current knowledge level, it was easy to see that as my knowledge progresses in the future, I would be back to re-visit this information.

Throughout the entire fifth Part are goodies focusing on the real-world applications of IDA Pro. It goes into the different types of binaries that you might encounter while doing reverse engineering. This chapter also goes into two large areas where IDA Pro is used such as obfuscated code analysis and vulnerability analysis. After reading this Part, you should have some handy scripts and a series of applications and plug-ins to aid in your RE adventures. The author discusses a number of those plug-ins in-depth including adding in bindings for Python and Ruby. At the end of this chapter, I hadn't learned an incredible amount more about IDA Pro; however I definitely knew more about how to approach the problems I might encounter and how to extend IDA Pro's capabilities in order to tackle real world tasks.

The final Part of the book is on the IDA Debugger. The debugging features of IDA Pro were an afterthought and aren't the primary focus of IDA Pro. Chris Eagle goes into what to expect from the debugger, how it's used, and then finally how to integrate the information obtained from the debugger into the overall RE process. He concludes with a discussion of how to automate debugging tasks with scripts and plug-ins and discusses some of the real-world problems that people might encounter, such as dealing with UPX packing that has been modified. This chapter also goes into remote debugging, where you can be running a binary on one machine and having it come back to a GUI on another. Knowing this information is especially useful if you are doing analysis across multiple platforms. The Windows GUI is the only non-console GUI in the IDA Pro supported platforms.

Chris Eagle's The IDA Pro Book provides a significantly better understanding not of just IDA Pro itself, but of the entire RE process. There are little gems littered throughout the book that bring in real-life experience and knowledge that you don't always get from other books instructing you in the use of an application. Although it is impossible to absorb everything in this book due to its size, it helped greatly in overcoming some of the initial hurdles of understanding a highly technical topic. As I continue down my reverse engineering path, I'm confident that I will use this book repeatedly as a reference.

If you are interested in getting deep into the assembly and figuring out what applications are doing when you don't have the source, then I would highly recommend this book to get you started with IDA Pro; it won't turn you into a reverse engineering expert, but it certainly will provide you with a major tool that will help you along the way.

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85 comments

  1. Good book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    But my binding did break after a week.

    1. Re:Good book by EasyComputer · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is not the first book about IDA Pro. However, this is the first book I recommend to anyone using IDA Pro because of the following points: * Comprehensive: it describes all major IDA features by starting at the beginning and going all the way to the end. Experienced users may be tempted to skip the first few chapters; resist this temptation and you will discover something new (I did :) * Accurate: it is very difficult to be detailed and precise when describing such a complex product. Chris does it excellently well. * Real: handles real world malware, packers, and obfuscated code * No fillers: it is direct and concise * Profound: this is not just a collection of recipes or tricks, but will give you a better understanding of the IDA architecture, thus saving you from unnecessary frustration. Knowing the limitations of your tool is just as important as knowing its capabilities. It comes tons of code snippets, scripts, and sample modules. Programming for IDA Pro is covered too: from simple plugins to processor modules. http://hexblog.com/2008/08/the_ida_pro_book_1.html ----This is not my blog.

    2. Re:Good book by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      That was part of the design.

      Your binding didn't break - It was disassembled.

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    3. Re:Good book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But my binding did break after a week.

      That's what she said.

    4. Re:Good book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IDA Pro is *almost* the program I had envisioned back in 1985 for a Visual Assembler. If IDA Pro allowed you to edit the code(I haven't used it recently so for all I know they've added it), it would be the perfect tool for those of us who like to delve into machine code and tweak it. Regardless, it's a top-notch piece of software if not 20 years late...:)

    5. Re:Good book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If IDA Pro allowed you to edit the code

      It does:

      1. In cfg/idagui.cfg, set DISPLAY_PATCH_SUBMENU = YES
      2. Use the newly found Edit->Patch program submenu to patch bytes or assemble new instructions. (IDC scripts can do the former as well, but not the latter, unfortunately.)
      3. Once you're happy with the result, use File->Produce File->Create EXE File to save the changed executable to disk.
  2. How about ORE IDA pro? by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 1

    I can never get Tator Tots(tm) right.

    1. Re:How about ORE IDA pro? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well you could start with the spelling (Tater Tots) and hyphenation (Ore-Ida).

      I was always partial to crinkle cut myself.

  3. I can m4ke w4rez n0w? by kwabbles · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will this b00k teach me to cr4ck Call of Duty 4?

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    1. Re:I can m4ke w4rez n0w? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      No. It will teach you how to reverse engineer stuff using the IDA Pro interactive disassembler.

      Cracking DRM/copy protection/etc., is an art and a skill that may involve using reverse engineering techniques, but definitely requires a certain unique perspective.

    2. Re:I can m4ke w4rez n0w? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guy was clearly joking.

    3. Re:I can m4ke w4rez n0w? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, that's okay, because I don't actually have a sense of humor.

    4. Re:I can m4ke w4rez n0w? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that's okay, because I don't actually have a sense of humor.

      good luck with that.

    5. Re:I can m4ke w4rez n0w? by kwabbles · · Score: 2, Funny

      My wife's always telling me I need to have surgery to get my tongue out of my cheek.

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  4. IDA is a dissassembler by MarkusQ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Since the review doesn't really make it clear, IDA is a dissassembler. It allows you to take an executable for which you don't have source and construct a (generally partial) representation of what a program that would have produced that executable would look like. It can't of course give you back the actual source code (comments, variable names, etc. being lost forever) but it gives you a much, much better idea of what's going on than a hex dump would.

    --MarkusQ

    1. Re:IDA is a dissassembler by whitehatnetizen · · Score: 5, Informative

      Note that there is a distinction between dissassembler and decompiler - you seem to be describing it as a decompiler, which it is not. it is similar in function to OllyDbg, although quite superior in it's analysis of the file due to its in-built libraries etc. The graphical representation of the program flow is my favorite part - it saves a huge amount of time when reversing (for me anyway).

    2. Re:IDA is a dissassembler by AndrewHowe · · Score: 2, Informative

      I read and re-read MarkusQ's comment and he isn't describing IDA Pro as a decompiler at all, in fact he's explicity saying "It can't of course give you back the actual source code".
      The decompiler is called Hex-Rays, it's built on top of IDA Pro and is available from the same guys at hex-rays.com. (Not advertising, just a long time happy IDA Pro customer).

    3. Re:IDA is a dissassembler by camcorder · · Score: 2, Informative

      Better note that with Hex-Ray plugin decompiler functionality can be added to IDA Pro.

    4. Re:IDA is a dissassembler by fm6 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Since the review doesn't really make it clear...

      Someday, Slashdot editors and contributors that the first thing you do when talking about something is make it clear what you're talking about. That will also be the day I go to skiing in Hell.

    5. Re:IDA is a dissassembler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for doing the job editors are paid to do.

  5. what the hell is IDA by cafn8ed · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It sure would be nice if "IDA" were defined somewhere in the lead blurb. It would have been almost as nice if it were defined anywhere in the full review text. Wikipedia says IDA can stand for many things. It's likely that the book is about the Interactive Disassembler, but I may be wrong.

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    1. Re:what the hell is IDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel ya on that one. I browsed the review and a few comments and I still don't know what half of it means. I mean, I'm not a code monkey, but I do dabble in a few languages and my career is IT, and I am feeling pretty noobish right now.

    2. Re:what the hell is IDA by dragonturtle69 · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:what the hell is IDA by eclectro · · Score: 2

      It sure would be nice if "IDA" were defined somewhere in the lead blurb.

      And I suppose you don't have a collectiom of Star War/Trek toys either?? Or never played D&D - do you know what D&D is even?? Really, I don't know what brings you to slashdot. Please turn in your nerd card at the door as you leave. kthx.

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    4. Re:what the hell is IDA by McNally · · Score: 1

      It sure would be nice if "IDA" were defined somewhere in the lead blurb.

      But in a sense you must be the target market for this product. 'Cause here you are reverse-engineering the book review..

    5. Re:what the hell is IDA by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      Never heard of IDA myself. Typing DnD, D&D, DandD, D and D...etc brings up Dungeons and Dragons. Typing IDA into Google doesn't come up with the disassembler. So we can determine that I have not been living under a rock, I've just been using Google. What a dolt?

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    6. Re:what the hell is IDA by pantalanaga · · Score: 1

      if you don't know what IDA Pro is, then move along. There is nothing for you to see here.

    7. Re:what the hell is IDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who da pro?

    8. Re:what the hell is IDA by lysergic.acid · · Score: 1

      since the review is titled "The IDA Pro Book," i typed "IDA Pro" into Wikipedia, and was immediately redirected to this page.

      yes, it would have been more convenient if they'd said that IDA was a disassembler in the summary, but Wikipedia gave me a much better description of the application than the summary could have. and it isn't exactly hard to look something up on Wikipedia (if you type in the correct name).

    9. Re:what the hell is IDA by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the acronym should be appropriately named IDAP

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    10. Re:what the hell is IDA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IDA Pro on the other hand returns a first result.

      Indeed, what a dolt.

    11. Re:what the hell is IDA by Jack9 · · Score: 1

      The comparison was IDA to D&D. Your turn.

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  6. Original posting by whitehatnetizen · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Original posting by ddonzal · · Score: 1

      Thanks for giving proper credit. w00t to Ryan!!

    2. Re:Original posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bump... this was originally posted on ethicalhacker.net

    3. Re:Original posting by punkrokk · · Score: 1

      Originally posted here: http://www.ethicalhacker.net/content/view/210/2/

      I second that

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      JP
  7. Ida Red by Urger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lights in the parlor, fires in the grate,
    Clock on the mantle says it's a'gettin' late,
    Curtains on the window, snowy white,
    The parlor's pleasant on Sunday night.

    Chorus:
    Ida Red, Ida Red, I'm a plumb fool 'bout Ida Red,

    Lamp on the table, picture on the wall,
    There's a pretty sofa and that's not all,
    If I'm not mistaken and I'm sure I'm right,
    They's somebody else in the parlor tonight.

    Repeat chorus:

    Chicken in the bread pan peckin' out dough,
    Granny will-ya dog bite, no chile no,
    Hurry up boys and don't fool around,
    Grab your partner and truck on down.

    Repeat chorus:

    My Ol' Missus swore to me,
    When she died she'd set me free,
    She lived so long her head got bald,
    She took a notion not to die at all.

    Repeat chorus:

    Light's a'burnin' dim, fires a'gettin' low,
    Somebody says it's time to go,
    I hear the whisper, gentle and light,
    Don't forget to come next Sunday night.

    Repeat chorus:

  8. Helpful Review by valakas · · Score: 1

    This is nice educated review of the book. There are a lot of guide books out there that over complicate instruction and this appears to focus on both new and experienced users.

  9. 640 pages by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 3, Funny

    should be enough for anyone.

  10. Excellent book by Peter+Bortas · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is the only good book on IDA there is. There are several other books on RE that bring up IDA, but never dives in to any interesting details. That includes the book "Reverse Engineering Code with IDA Pro" which does a passable job of introducing you to RE, but doesn't tell you much about IDA that you couldn't get from spending an evening with it just experimenting.

    So, to anyone interested in IDA: This is the book you should buy. Now. With express delivery.

    1. Re:Excellent book by blincoln · · Score: 1

      Would you make the same recommendation to someone whose primary interest isn't x86 disassembly? IDA Pro supports disassembly of executables for a lot of other architectures.

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    2. Re:Excellent book by Peter+Bortas · · Score: 1

      Yes, I would make this recommendation _especially_ if you are interested in other things than x86. None of the other books goes in to details on how to make processor modules.

      The examples in all parts of the book where assembler examples are used are x86, but in contrast to other RE books it doesn't try to learn you to dissasemble x86. It shows how to use the tool in a general manner.

  11. Decompiler vs. Disassembler by MarkusQ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note that there is a distinction between dissassembler and decompiler - you seem to be describing it as a decompiler, which it is not.

    *laugh* I think what's really going on is that I bounce between levels so much that I don't really honor the distinction. Asm, HLA, LLL, HLA, scripting languages, TILs, SPILs, DSLs, it all kind of blurs together if you step away from it just a short distance. Not that I don't see such distinctions, just that I don't always see them in the traditional places. For instance, I see a much bigger divide between pairs like Haskel v. C or SQL v. prolog than I do between C and Assembly.

    But yes, I see your point, for people who aren't comfortable reading Assembly and expect it to give them C++ or something the distinction would be important. Effectively, the choice of source language is one of the things that gets lost along with procedure names, module structure, and the like. You may be able to infer it but IDA isn't going to hand it to you and there is no certainty you'll be correct.

    --MarkusQ

  12. Does it show how to Ida Ida ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Who has a crack for ida? The full version! Anyone got a pdf of the book yet? With TOC, index. All code in binary form. Come on! Chop! Chop! I'm waiting here!

    1. Re:Does it show how to Ida Ida ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are truly worthy of owning IDA you should be able to use the trial version to crack itself.

    2. Re:Does it show how to Ida Ida ? by zoward · · Score: 1

      If you are truly worthy of owning IDA you should be able to use the trial version to crack itself.

      ...seems kinda obvious...

      If you check the website, you'll find the trial version is unable to disassemble itself.

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  13. The End Purpose? by brasspen · · Score: 1

    I'm weening myself off an addiction to esoteric info in compsci to deepen a few areas. This would be great to learn how things work, but what are you going to build with it? I'm not so keen on learning for its sake these days. What is the reader going to build? I think just taking the work of others and stealing it to sell it is a bit feeble. Is there a constructive use here beyond knowledge for knowledge's sake?

    1. Re:The End Purpose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about finding security flaws in closed source applications? I'll let you guess what tool is used in pretty much finding every possible security hole on Windows.

      Granted RE is part of breaking copy protections, but that's only one use.

    2. Re:The End Purpose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think that reverse engineering is all about stealing other people's work? Believe it or not, there are actually serious researchers out there that are interested in knowing the inner workings of things like say viruses and worms, which rarely get distributed with source code.

    3. Re:The End Purpose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Patching old no longer supported games.

      And those annoying quirks shall bug us no more =)

    4. Re:The End Purpose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cynthia?

    5. Re:The End Purpose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To clarify I ment patching actual bugs not removing copy protection although one could do that as well.

      Another use is adding features to the game.

    6. Re:The End Purpose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The following uses do not involve stealing, or illegal actions: deciphering a full specification for an undocumented file format, determining the algorithm used by a piece of software, detecting security issues, fixing security issues, fixing other bugs, providing crucial improvements for internal use. Of course the utility of actual software changes is limited by the fact that you can't distribute them further.

    7. Re:The End Purpose? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ollydbg ? not everyone can afford IDA pro
      heck even objdump, gdb is enough if you are convenient in them.

    8. Re:The End Purpose? by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      Start slow. Avoid reverse engineering code as your first task. Get yourself a hex editor and try to dechipher a file format, say GIF by making a series of files with slightly different properties and examining them for the differences in the hex editor. You should be able to find the header structure and width and height parameters easily, other parameters will be harder to find. When you are confident, try to make a GIF yourself from scratch in the hex editor. Congratulations, you have reverse-engineered a file format, and have stolen nothing.

      To do any code disassembly you'll need to be very confident with assembler code. Id reccomend getting good at writing in pure asm before learning disassembly, it's a more generally useful skill. There are many constructive uses, but what's wrong with just obtaining knowledge if you're an esoteric compsci addict? Oh, and disassembly can be good fun and gives great satisfaction when you finally crack the code.

  14. D'oh! by LMacG · · Score: 1

    "An anonymous reader writes "

    [...]

    "Read below for the rest of Ryan's review. "

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  15. hohum by BigBadBus · · Score: 1

    Sounds good, except that the cost of IDA Pro puts me off. I think I'll stick with OllyDbg; now what that needs is a "how to" book!

  16. objdump by savuporo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    meh, objdump -dCS, nm -C, readelf and binutils in general get the job done for me more often than not, and across various CPU architectures. fyr free.

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    1. Re:objdump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shaddup linux fag. IDA is so superior to raw deadlisting; you obviously haven't used it once. Meh!

    2. Re:objdump by savuporo · · Score: 1

      I have, a while back. I also have used tools like Lauterbach, Realview stuff, kd and windbg and various other lowlevel debugging gizmos.
      More often than not, a simple objdump does the trick.

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  17. IDA Pro violates GPL by CriticalHedonist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    While browsing IDA Pro product
    pages at http://www.hex-rays.com/idapro/idadown.htm
    I noticed that there are downloads for two libraries that IDA seems to use:

      Linux TVision port for the IDA Interface - source code (updated 20/11/2007)

    This download is password protected, but seems it is a copy of
    Linux TVision - http://tvision.sourceforge.net/ which is under GPL.

    Another and more obvious their problem is:

      Wingraph v 1.03: source code the Wingraph we use and modified (GPL).
    (updated 25/08/2004)

    Which is available for actual downloading and is nothing more than VCG library
    A Visualization Tool for compiler graphs
    Copyright (C) 1993--1995 by Iris Lemke, Georg Sander, and the Compare Consortium
    Which is distributed under GPL v2

    The sources also contain the following text:

      * WinGraph32 - Graph Visualization Program
      * Version 1.0
      * The WIN32 interface written by Ilfak Guilfanov. (ig@datarescue.com)
      *
      * This program is under GPL (GNU General Public License)
      * It is based on the VCG tool written by Georg Sander and Iris Lemke

    Seems that IDA author (Ilfak Guilfanov) does not understand GPL terms.

    I notified all related parties, as well as gpl-violations.org on March 21, 2008.
    But nothing happened.

    The only reply I got was from Linux TVision author, where he says IDA seem to use modified GPL code.

    1. Re:IDA Pro violates GPL by marcansoft · · Score: 1

      WinGraph is used as a separate binary to view the graphs, so I don't think that's a problem. Don't know about TVision though.

    2. Re:IDA Pro violates GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The version of tvision to which you point is not the version that IDA utilizes. Tvision was developed and released by Borland. It has been ported and modified by a number of different people over the years. IDA uses it as a shared library component. Hex-rays releases the tvision source code to anyone who purchases IDA, i.e. to anyone who they distribute tvision to, which is their obligation under the GPL. I believe they also distribute the source to wingraph32.

    3. Re:IDA Pro violates GPL by PingXao · · Score: 1

      Nobody cares about that stuff. Only the BusyBox project seems to take any notice when their licensing terms are violated. GPL Violations is swamped with a backlog of complaints.

    4. Re:IDA Pro violates GPL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UMMM if they are publishing the changes they made to the source, they arenlt violating the GPL. Seems like YOU don't understand the GPL.

  18. Too Expensive these days by kmahan · · Score: 4, Informative

    I used to use IDAPro a lot -- but then they went to the new pricing model which increased the cost dramatically. So while it is a great product it really isn't affordable for people that don't have a corporate expense account.

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    1. Re:Too Expensive these days by Sam+Lowry · · Score: 1

      AFAIR, they still have the basic version for free.

    2. Re:Too Expensive these days by kmahan · · Score: 1

      The problem I have is that the eval version only has x86 and ARM support. I'm more interested in using it for 68k.

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    3. Re:Too Expensive these days by tlhIngan · · Score: 2, Informative

      I used to use IDAPro a lot -- but then they went to the new pricing model which increased the cost dramatically. So while it is a great product it really isn't affordable for people that don't have a corporate expense account.

      That, and when I was checking it out, they only sold to established companies - you couldn't buy it even if you wanted to... which is probably why it cost so much. I'd go with the free version, but that had a number of limitations.

      It appears the only way to actually get full IDA Pro is to ... torrent it.

    4. Re:Too Expensive these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeez. Over $500. Is there a competing product that's reasonably priced?

    5. Re:Too Expensive these days by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 1

      It lacks 64-bit support as well, iirc; I think only the Advanced version has that.

      Mind you IDA Pro is cheap, compared the price of the Hex-Rays Decompiler...

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    6. Re:Too Expensive these days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use IDAPRo to crack itself.

  19. Just what kind of person are you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, for god's sake, who needs a book to use a disassembler?

  20. just curious by NovaHorizon · · Score: 1

    Why does this have an Idaho tag?

  21. Ironicly.. by nawcom · · Score: 1

    This is a well-distributed application (v5.3) on bittorrent. And you wonder which disassembler they used to fix it hehe :-P I've used it myself and it's amazing how many different processors are supported and the plugins that are made for them. A few I know of are the C decompiler plugin and the BinDiff plugin (helpful if you are interested in finding the main changes between an original and cracked app.) But of course you have to have enough free cash to buy the product and plugins because no one here would ever cheat or steal, right?

    1. Re:Ironicly.. by nawcom · · Score: 1

      I've also used it to check out the code in a lot of Apple's closed source drivers - so it's extremely compatible with many different object formats.

  22. Doesn't IDA come with a manual? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you need to purchase a guide?

    I bet most of the valuable info in this book could be found on the internet for free (as in beer).

    Since there is obviously some collaboration between the book and software authors, maybe they should give the book away as a bonus to those who purchase the full version.

    1. Re:Doesn't IDA come with a manual? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would you need to purchase a guide?

      I bet most of the valuable info in this book could be found on the internet for free (as in beer).

      Since there is obviously some collaboration between the book and software authors, maybe they should give the book away as a bonus to those who purchase the full version.

      Obviously how? You clearly have never used IDA if you think all the info in the book is available on the internet for free, other than any torrents of pdfs of the book that may be running around out there of course ;)

  23. Re:Doesn't IDA come with a manual? - No. by nicholasharbour · · Score: 1

    It comes with a help file which describes some of its API functions for scripting and describes some of its windows. What is in this book is not just a top to bottom overview of a very complex application but extensive documentation on areas such as plugin development and internal data structures which absolutely are not documented anywhere. even on the series of tubes we call the internet. The book is also focused towards how to actually accomplish real world tasks with the program, which you would never find in a regular manual.

    FWIW, I am a professional reverse engineer and have been using IDA for many years and I can easily say this book is very useful and is very well done to boot.

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  24. IDA Pro commonly used by game hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In fact, it is the disassembler of choice for groups like "myg0t" to crack a game client.

    For example, there was a certain sports game that has client-sided speed hack detection. Within a few days it was cracked by the myg0t people, and they claim that they used IDA Pro.

  25. Manswer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Young man in NYC, fresh from BYU, asks the girl on the corner if she's been to Idaho. She looks up, in a crack whore sort of way, and says, "Yeah!, I'da'ho".