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Non-Violent, Cooperative Games?

jandersen writes "While I generally don't play computer games, I do occasionally play games like Crossfire or The Mana World, because they have more of a story line and allow you to go at your own pace. What I don't care much about, though, is that they are still focused on killing monsters and amassing wealth, and it gets very tedious after a while. Are there really no games where the goal isn't so much about increasing your own power and defeating others, but where you instead grow by doing things that benefit others, where enemies shouldn't be killed out of hand, but befriended; where learning, teaching, research and social skills are more important than killing and conquering? Would people be interested in a game of that nature?"

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  1. SimCity by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know... SimCity? Wii Sports? Jewel Quest & friends?

    1. Re:SimCity by cgenman · · Score: 4, Informative

      Puzzle Pirates. Play puzzles to bilge, sail, build clothing, etc. It's a (vaguely) player driven economy with a mostly laid back group of people. And, of course, there is Viva Pinata.

      I think the original poster's goals are unreachable with current technology and techniques. You can't befriend a game in any more substantive a fashion than you can befriend your television... lots of games have tried various ways of simulating human interactions, but humans are notoriously complex. Emotional simulation systems quickly break down into either simplistic grinding or laughable parodies of humanity. If you attempt to replace those computer entities with actual other online human beings... Let's just say that you can't rely upon other human beings in online games to act like human beings.

      The closest thing to what the grandparent poster asked for is the sims. It's a good example of how simplified human interactions have to be made in order to work in a simulated environment.

    2. Re:SimCity by Laser_iCE · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think one of the greatest games to EVER be released would have to be Grim Fandango. It's packed with an awesome story, along with some beautiful scenery and voice acting that I'm still yet to see outdone in any games over the past 10 years. If anyone else reading this hasn't played the game, then I high recommend you go out and find it (or stay inside and find it online). For those unfamiliar with it, it plays in the same sort of style as Monkey Island.

      Seriously, check it out. They've just recently released the original design document, it's worth checking it out (They've taken the original story down... But Kotaku's mirror is still available)

      http://kotaku.com/5077780/tim-shafer-publishes-original-grim-fandango-design-doc

  2. Get a PS3... by Swift+Kick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... then get Little Big Planet

    Have fun.

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    1. Re:Get a PS3... by TikiTDO · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Having spent quite a few hours playing LBP with 4 players I can straight off say that your post is completely off base. The one point you did get is the control scheme, it is certainly flaky, and could use a bit of work.

      There is very little competitive content, the only actual competition going on is a race to see who can get the most points. The reward is a little trophy over your head in the last 5 seconds of the match. That said, it is without argument to your advantage to help the other players out. Not only does letting them die waste lives from the general pool, but also there are more than a few points where the camera will decide to focus on the lagging player, killing anyone who gets too far by off screen timer.

      Then there is the killing monsters thing. There are maybe 20 or 30 killable monsters in the game, usually used to give you a moving obstacle that you can use as a platform to jump higher. These "monsters" look like something you'd put together from the spare parts in a kid's toy-box, which is quite obviously the theme they were going for in this game.

      So yes, while the game does not quite meet the qualifications the article stated, it is certainly a lot more cooperative than what you described. As for obligatory "I'm with the in group" quip. I am a Slashdotter, I care about freedom, and I own a PS3. Just because a company is willing to take steps to protect their investments, does not mean I should deprive myself of enjoyment on the argument that it might, in some roundabout way, reduce the freedoms that everyone enjoys. If you do not want Sony to own your levels, don't post any, or play offline. Magically, the problem goes away. And before you go off on the tried and true, "You're a fanboy, you wouldn't understand." I own every single current gen console, with plenty of games for each, and I do most of my gaming on my PC. I also work for a company with some stake in the 360, so if anything I would be rooting for it.

  3. Non fighting, non loot games... by blahplusplus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I don't care much about, though, is that they are still focused on killing monsters and amassing wealth, and it gets very tedious after a while. Are there really no games where the goal isn't so much about increasing your own power and defeating others, but where you instead grow by doing things that benefit others, where enemies shouldn't be killed out of hand, but befriended; where learning, teaching, research and social skills are more important than killing and conquering?"

    The truth is not enough is known to make such a game, not only that it is subject to aesthetic prejudices and what not. I would imagine text adventures would fall into the realm you're looking for... any GUI based game needs all the bells and whistles to be compelling to an audience.

    If the market wanted such games it would demand them and pay for them, you are in an extreme minority IMHO.

    The technology is not there yet to do "social" games, the AI and interfaces are pretty primitive and no computer NPC's would be believable, hell games have a hard enough time portraying well voice acted computer animated characters with gusto... the truth is what the OP wants in the story is not technically within our means, and most "help each other games" are subject to the same kind of politics and BS and those who have free time vs those who don't (disproportionately kids, teens or idiots).

    Finally.. go do good deeds in the real world, that is what the real world is for. Games are an escape from real life, that is what they are supposed to be - fantasy and wish fulfillment.

    The point of games is to do what is entertaining. Almost all videogames have elements of competition in them, or competition against the computer.

  4. The answer is obvious. by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 4, Funny

    Doom.

  5. M.U.L.E. by alienghic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    M.U.L.E, players who cooperated had a better outcome for their colony than when everyone was back stabbing each other. (Not that I knew that when I was playing.) The genre of "German Boardgames" avoids violence and usually has an interplay of cooperation and competition, there are computer implementations of some of the more popular, like settlers of catan.

  6. Animal Crossing by Chlorus · · Score: 4, Informative

    That game was pretty much designed just for this scenario. Hell, as a hardcore gamer (logged nearly 1000 hours in FFXI) even I enjoyed it. Sequel's gonna be out in the US on the 16th, too.

    1. Re:Animal Crossing by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 4, Funny

      Animal Crossing

      Is that anything like Frogger?

  7. A Tale in the Desert by tsa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I sought long and hard for just the games you mentioned after Myst Online crashed for the second time, and the only thing I found is A Tale of the Desert. This game exactly suits your needs, I think. No violence, you can trade stuff you grew or made, etc. I never played it because I basically want MystOnline to be back online, but I think you should give it a try.

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  8. OpenTTD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Open Transport Tycoon Deluxe. http://www.openttd.org/

    It's an open source recode of the original classic game, but with all the tweaks to bring it up to modern standards (8-players multiplayer, huge maps, better cargo routing algorithms, etc). Fantastic stuff.

    There's also a large massively OpenTTD cooperative group, focussing on ways of making huge efficient cargo networks and other scenarios. http://www.openttdcoop.org/blog/

  9. I think my girlfriend's Civ 4 experience... by JimboFBX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... best explains this. Play Civ 4. Play it by researching and trading and and expanding with friendly means. Play through the game on settler and never get attacked, and there is never any conflict or risk of losing. Then be so bored you dont want to come back.

    After her second game which I forced her to play, on a higher difficulty, she made the comment "war is the part that is more fun".

    And that is why games center more on violence.

  10. Re:You can do that in regular games by Auroch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    much like the real world, it won't get you very far.

    Part of the allure of MMORPGs is the accumulation of wealth and the feeling of dominance and superiority. Most of the older gamers that feel the need to create a sense of community, or contribute to a common goal are usually doing so within a guild/group, and competing with other groups. This appeals to another part of the human psyche, the need to establish an out-group, and to be better than the opposition!

    There are games for younger children which don't incorporate violence, and encourage good skills - but they're marketed to parents, not to children, and usually aren't that much fun.

    So, whether or not there is a market for such games, I don't know. But I do get the sense that the target audience doesn't have the buying power, and the people who would purchase these games are already purchasing other educational and boring games.

    So, if you're not a child, why would you want to immerse yourself in a world where you help people? If you are that sort of person, you probably realize that your time would be better spent actually helping people in real life. And if helping is really that important to you... well, you're probably not playing videogames in your spare time, anyways.

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  11. Alternatives by TheLink · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about Instant Messaging and facebook?

    Seems quite popular. Lots of people go about collecting friends/"friends".

    Some of the AIs involved may even surprise you once in a while and say something coherent and intelligent.

    Then there's also Slashdot. ;)

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    1. Re:Alternatives by Poltras · · Score: 4, Funny

      Facebook is to slashdot what Turing Tests are to Skynet.

  12. Re:You can do that in regular games by Anachragnome · · Score: 4, Funny

    "As for a game that is intrinsically nonviolent, the Sim games are probably the only popular ones I can think of. Sim City, Sim Tower, The Sims, and the like are all well known titles, The Sims and expansions, in particular, sell very well and frequently visit top 10 seller lists."

    You obviously do not have a sick mind.

    Other then using a cheat code, the fastest way to make money in the Sims was to marry a neighbor(after the proper amount of time spent on wooing them), wait for the new wife/husband to go for a swim, then delete the ladder coming out of the pool. Let em tread water until they meet a watery death. Tada! You are now the sole beneficiary of the deceased's estate.

    Either that, or simply brick 'em into a wall. Gravestones in the pool always seems to upset the party guests.

  13. Re:You can do that in regular games by Salgak1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Au contraire: I rather enjoy minimal-combat strategies for winning Civ IV. I've managed Research-'em to Death victories (i.e. research to successfully build and launch a starship in the late 1800s/early 1900s) and Virus/Borg victories, where you spread so fast that you are literally all over the start continent in the first millenium, and between everyone else. . .and then just Assimilate everyone by culture and growth. . .