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New TN Law Forces Universities To Patrol For Copyright Violations

CSMatt points with this excerpt from the EFF's page: "Last week, the RIAA celebrated the signing of a ridiculous new law in Tennessee that says: 'Each public and private institution of higher education in the state that has student residential computer networks shall: [...] [R]easonably attempt to prevent the infringement of copyrighted works over the institution's computer and network resources, if such institution receives fifty (50) or more legally valid notices of infringement as prescribed by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 within the preceding year.' While the entertainment industry failed to get 'hard' requirements for universities in the Higher Education Act passed by Congress earlier this year, the RIAA succeeded in Tennessee (and is pushing in other states) with this provision that gives Big Content the ability to hold universities hostage through the use of infringement notices. Moreover, the new rules will cost Tennessee a pretty penny — in the cost review attached to the Tennessee bill, the state's Fiscal Review Committee estimates that the new obligations will initially cost the state a whopping $9.5 million for software, hardware, and personnel, with recurring annual costs of more than $1.5 million for personnel and maintenance."

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  1. Nashville's recording industry by Leebert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How is this surprising? The recording industry is a multi-billion dollar industry in Nashville.

    1. Re:Nashville's recording industry by Drakkenmensch · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who in their right mind would even want to steal country music? You couldn't pay me enough to accept it legally.

    2. Re:Nashville's recording industry by theaveng · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Country music is the most popular form of music in America according to Arbitron radio ratings.

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    3. Re:Nashville's recording industry by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The timing and pricetag are rather surprising, considering the state's current 800 Million dollar projected budget shortfall.

      -ellie

    4. Re:Nashville's recording industry by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Wrong question.

      Right question: who in their right mind would want to steal music dumbed down to music industry specifications?

      Hank Williams Sr., Bill Monroe, Roy Acuff, the Carters, Johnny Cash, Carl Perkins -- the list goes on of worthwhile country musicians. The industry isn't run by creative people, it does its best to strangle of the life out of any kind of music it touches.

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    5. Re:Nashville's recording industry by Alarindris · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Absolutely. Hell, Les Paul basically invented multi-track recording. He was decades ahead of his time.

    6. Re:Nashville's recording industry by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Funny

      how bigoted of you. People in that region listen to more than just country music. They have both kinds of music, country and western.

    7. Re:Nashville's recording industry by Wovel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is not "free" , stop believing the lies. Every time you sit through a commercial you have "paid".

    8. Re:Nashville's recording industry by Stanislav_J · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Country music is the most popular form of music in America according to Arbitron radio ratings.

      And McDonald's is the most popular restaurant. Which just proves the American people have no taste in either music or food...

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    9. Re:Nashville's recording industry by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey, y'all, git da hail out'n my trailer park! Damn city slickers! Whut's the differnce 'tween a violin and a fiddle?

      People LIKES fiddle music!

    10. Re:Nashville's recording industry by jafiwam · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well it sure as heck isn't if you look at torrent populations.

      Pop, rap, rock, punk, classical, the freaking Wiggles, etc. are all easier to find than country.

      Either it's just not popular, or something about the people that like it keeps them from....

      Oh.

      Nevermind.

    11. Re:Nashville's recording industry by solraith · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not to mention a line of signature guitars used in plenty of genres outside country.

    12. Re:Nashville's recording industry by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      McDonalds is popular because of consistancy and market penetration combined with geed marketing.

      Country Music is popular because it stretches across a broader range of influences. You have blues and bluegrass on one end and pop on the other with combination of everything in the middle. All the other forms of music is severely limited in ranges and style and attract more people because of the influences in the style then genre itself. Someone who listens to bluegrass will likely also listen to pop country too. Someone who listens to light rock will probably not listen to speed metal or death metal. To them, crossing to country is probably more appealing. Anyways, if you can't stand country, it is probably because you haven't heard enough songs across the range (IE, People like the Dixie chicks or kenney Chesney because they are closer to rock country or pop country but they don't like the yodeling works of Jimmie Rodgers. Here are a few pages talking about the differences in styles within the genres.

      Of course I sort of feel the same way as you expresses about rap music. But I have to admit, there are some rap songs that I can tollorate and actually like, I just can't stand the others long enough to buy those CDs or listen to the radio stations waiting for the songs.

    13. Re:Nashville's recording industry by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually Nashville has a very large Goth,Metal,Underground,and college pop scene. I spent a couple of years there and was quite surprised that it wasn't all shit kicking red necks. I guess being a long hair from AR I expected the usual complete hassle,and instead found a quite progressive music scene.

      That said,we all know this has NOTHING to do with artists or music. This is greed by middle managers,pure and simple. Nobody EVER asks the musician on the ground what they think,and no,asking Metallica sitting in their mansions what they think is NOT asking musicians on the ground,since so few will ever get to have the huge paychecks that they enjoy. Let us be honest here,copyrights are simply broken beyond repair. For those that think copyrights in their current form can be saved,well,I have said this before and I will say this again.

      For those of you that thinks copyrights aren't broken I simply have one sentence for you: Steamboat Willie is STILL under copyright. The man has been dead for half a century now,and his FIRST work,one made when cars started with a crank and antibiotics still hadn't been dreamed up yet,is STILL under copyright. I think that we can all agree that when copyrights last longer than most human lifetimes that the system is completely broken.

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  2. Money "well" spent by richien6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be honest I can usually be a little uninformed about the RIAA and DRM and whatnot...
    But come fu*king on! Why the hell would you spend millions of dollars on protection like this?? That money could sure as hell be spent elsewhere, since not only could the rest of the world use it but also even the USA themselves...

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    1. Re:Money "well" spent by darkfire5252 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      As a University of Tennessee student, I am pretty pissed. I posted copies of the Ars Technica (I believe) article that discussed this bill as it was making its way through the congress; absolutely everyone who read it was amazed and pissed that such a thing was even being talked about, including university employees that will become responsible for enforcement. Even worse is the fact that the University of Tennessee is currently undergoing massive budget cuts, and I'm sure that this money that now legally must be spent will be dollars that used to be used educating Tennesseans and others.

      Regarding budget cuts, from the campus paper linked above:

      The University of Tennessee system sustained an initial $21.2 million budget cut in June, followed by an additional October impoundment of $17 million. All campuses have been affected and have taken similar measures, of varying degrees of severity, to offset these reductions.

      As a result of the initial cut, the Knoxville campus reduced its budget by $11,452,500; the Chattanooga campus by $2,682,200; the Martin campus by $1,965,000; and the UT Health Sciences Center by $2,751,500, according to the proposed budget for the 2009 fiscal year, released by the UT System Budget and Finance Office. Other UT branches affected included the Space Institute, the Institute of Agriculture, the Institute for Public Administration and the Systems Administration division.

    2. Re:Money "well" spent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As a University of Tennessee employee, let me chime in my support in those regards.

      UT has had enough priority issues as it was before. They tried to do away with the Speech&Audiology department - one of the few programs for hearing impaired students in the South Eastern US.... and spent more than twice that programs budget renovating the stadium for a struggling football team.

      If my directors and superiors are any indication as to how this law will be implemented, the new measurement of how well the IT services are doing in the administrations eyes are how many students they successfully catch in a given month. Most people in positions of authority on campus have absolutely no technical experience (my boss required me to babysit him while he used a scanner to scan some family photos), and all of them are in a constant race to jockey for the favor and affection of whoever is above them.

  3. What is legally valid? by I_am_Rambi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...if such institution receives fifty (50) or more legally valid notices of infringement as prescribed by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998..."

    According to a recently lawsuit against the RIAA on the legality of their tactics, I would question if the notices are legally valid or not.

    1. Re:What is legally valid? by aproposofwhat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What's even funnier is that the DMCA isn't the law at issue here - it's the Digital Theft Deterrence and Copyright Damages Improvement Act of 1999 that is being used against filesharers.

      I wonder if there is some wit in the Tennessee legislature having a good laugh at the expense of the RIAA?

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    2. Re:What is legally valid? by Ken+D · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Right, now they have an incentive to spend up to $1.5M per year challenging bogus DMCA notices instead of rolling over.

    3. Re:What is legally valid? by infalliable · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I sense a huge uptick in the number of infringement notices sent to Tennessee schools.

      Who determines if they're legally valid?

    4. Re:What is legally valid? by kmac06 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So which is cheaper for the universities, pay lawyers to get a judge to decide the notices as not valid, or just pay the extra employee(s) to police the campus in place of the RIAA? I'm guessing the latter.

      Of course the third (and most expensive) option is to pay off the legislators, as I'm sure the RIAA did.

    5. Re:What is legally valid? by jeffasselin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I was thinking the same thing, what does the DMCA have to do with file-sharing?

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    6. Re:What is legally valid? by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Informative

      I submitted a story (still pending) to slashdot yesterday about that very law. Its constitutionality is being tested in court. A Google list of stories about it is linked.

      I saw it in the Chicago Tribune yesterday, I believe it was an AP story. It quoted slashdot's own "New York County Lawyer" Ray Beckerman and linked his blog.

    7. Re:What is legally valid? by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Informative

      Neither. The law specifically states that if their reasonable efforts aren't enough, no one can do anything to them.

      Here's the portion that's relevant.

      (b) Nothing in this section shall:
        (3) Waive the protections available to Internet service
      providers under 17 U.S.C. 512;
        (4) Subject public institutions of higher education to any
      suit whether for monetary damages, injunctive relief, or any cause
      of action whatsoever;
        (5) Be deemed or construed to waive or abrogate in any
      way the sovereign immunity of the state, the public institutions of
      higher education, or any officer or employee of the state or the
      public institutions of higher education or waive or abrogate in any
      way the immunity of the state, the public institutions of higher
      education, or any officer or employee of the state or the public
      institution of higher education from suit under the 11th
      Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

      Even though it is law, there is no threat to not following it or not doing enough or whatever. They follow the DMCA notices as required by law, Keep their immunities, and do something insignificant and call it reasonable.

      Of course I would doubt that the making reasonable efforts would even come into play at all. The law says notices of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. This has nothing to do with P2P or file sharing in general. The file sharing would come under the Digital Theft Deterrence and Copyright Damages Improvement Act of 1999. Of course if some one knows their content is being hosted there, the DMCA take down would be valid. It will be interesting to see how this actually plays out.

  4. Indie Music by mfh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop listening to garbage music that corporate America wants you to buy. Indie music is free and you can't be sued for downloading it freely, because it's offered as a promotional gimmick to sell concert tickets. Many Indie bands advocate people sharing purchased copies of their albums, because musicians know that this freely sharing of music creates more fans. Look at Radiohead... how much did they earn on that album they released as donor-ware?

    Sure you can apply all the regulations you want but you're just excluding people from your products in the long run.

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    1. Re:Indie Music by Nerogk · · Score: 2, Funny

      Because when I think Indie, I think Radiohead.

    2. Re:Indie Music by Builder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indie Music is free? Since when ?

      Many bands on independent labels or bands pushing their own recorded cds actually charge for this.

      While bands may advocate sharing, I would not go so far as to say it is free, especially not in the legal sense of the word.

    3. Re:Indie Music by JNighthawk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Look, I don't care what music you listen to. I don't care. Stop turning this into a religious argument.

      I like mainstream music. I don't care what you think about it - don't deride me for liking it, or put more eloquently, don't persecute me because my beliefs are different than yours.

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  5. Wishfull thinking by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometimes I need some detachment from slashdot to be able to keep reading. I know it's stupid and insensitive and wrong on many levels but I have to say it.

    News like this give me the same feelings as horrible wars in third world countries. The more I learn the more revulsion I feel and it reaches a point where I simply detach and start thinking about something else. I transport myself to the little world around myself where those things simply don't happen.

    I know about the "...now they come after me and there's nobody else left to care." parable, but still, I need a beer and a quiet mind to deal with extreme evil, or, as in this case, with extreme idiocy/corruption.

  6. Thats too bad. by Alarindris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It just seems like the population doesn't get to participate in democracy anymore. Other than record companies, who could possibly think this makes sense? Or demand that such a law should be passed?

    As far as music goes, I haven't heard anything worth buying in a while anyway. And I certainly wouldn't expect to hear it on the radio (they aren't giving us any other options atm). For now I'll just keep my torrents seeding and buy merch from the bands I do like, which funny enough, are mostly all from 1980 or before, so they've all got their mansions already anyhow.

    Hey record labels, your biggest market (for touring bands anyway) is college students. Why do you guys want to get rid of all of that free marketing? (word of mouth, mix CD's etc.) Get a clue.

    1. Re:Thats too bad. by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...seems like the population doesn't get to participate in democracy anymore.

      The population has access to all the democratic participation that they can afford.

  7. It seems they value that more than education. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems that they're more interested in protecting the music industry than supporting the education of their people.

    Anyone want to predict what the outcome will be in about 20 years?

    1. Re:It seems they value that more than education. by internerdj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quite frankly those who will suffer from reduced education are not the people Tennessee is interested in having in its state, because they are in a much lower tax bracket than the artists and more importantly the executives...

    2. Re:It seems they value that more than education. by theaveng · · Score: 2, Funny

      TN colleges will need to "cut policing costs" and respond by limiting students' dorm access to 128 kbit/s (or thereabouts) such that downloading music or videos becomes impractical. TN administrators will argue that 128 kbit/s is "good enough" for accessing the required course-related websites (mostly text), and engineering or computer science students will need to apply for a professor-signed waiver to get faster access.

      Those students will later come into positions of power, remember the hell of limited dorm access, and then repeal this ridiculous law so future students can access the net unencumbered.

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    3. Re:It seems they value that more than education. by MightyYar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If I were the colleges, I would just farm out the student connections - thus removing my liability. Access to the local network would be via VPN.

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    4. Re:It seems they value that more than education. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just don't understand how you can see the two connected in ways that are detrimental to each other.

      They are both competing for time and resources. Money used for stopping illegal file sharing is money that won't be spent on education.

    5. Re:It seems they value that more than education. by jeffasselin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Strawman!

      The question you have to ask is WHY is file sharing illegal. To protect the recording industry's outdated business model.

      The enxt question is WHY is the population (because it is them through their taxes) asked to PAY for enforcing a law that makes them and their children criminals in order to line the pockets of music executives?

      Why is an university forced to limit the freedom (academic or otherwise) because the music industry decided it should?

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    6. Re:It seems they value that more than education. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know what the stats are for universities in Tennessee, but here on the University of Washington campus we hear about the rates of sexual abuse being 1 in 4 for females and 1 in 10 for males.

      Whenever this shit happens, I always wonder why people don't just start wandering around by the state house, muttering things like "How much rape could 9 million dollars prevent?"

      Maybe with a ballot in their hand or something. I don't know.

      (prophetic CAPTCHA: "plenty")

    7. Re:It seems they value that more than education. by theaveng · · Score: 2, Funny

      No. However I have observed that my own Netscape dialup connection loads webpages almost as fast as my 750kbit/s DSL line. So the effective speeds are fairly close to one another.

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    8. Re:It seems they value that more than education. by jeffasselin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You people keep asking the wrong questions.

      Why is it a law?

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    9. Re:It seems they value that more than education. by darkfire5252 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Here's my letter to the local University of Tennessee newspaper ("The Daily Beacon"):

      Now that the University of Tennessee system has taken a budget cut of $21.2 million dollars, one might expect that the state would be carefully deciding how to spend the money that is available. However, this is apparently not the case. On November 12th, two days after the Daily Beacon covered the story of the UT system's budget cuts, Governor Bredesen signed senate bill 3974 into law, and committed the Tennessee higher educational system to spending (according to the government's own estimates) an additional $9.5 million one-time cost, and between $1.6-$1.9 million dollars every year from now on. What could be worth spending this much money (which amounts to 45% of the budget cut)? The University of Tennessee is going to spend this money making your internet connection go even slower: UT will now be responsible for preventing the sharing of copyrighted music and movies. Because of senate bill 3974 and Governor Bredesen, Tennessee law now states that "each public and private institution of higher education in the state that has student residential computer networks shall: [...] attempt to prevent the infringement of copyrighted works over the institution's computer and network resources."

      The Recording Industry Association of America and the Movie Production Association of America are understandably thrilled about this law. The RIAA and MPAA are the organizations that have filed thousands upon thousands of lawsuits against students, children, and grandmothers for infringing copyright by sharing movies and music over the internet. Because of their lobbying efforts, the University of Tennessee is now legally responsible for enforcing their will and doing their dirty work. In a time that the economy is doing worse than it has for many years and the University of Tennessee is seeing budget cuts of over $20 million dollars, we are now being forced to pay over $10 million dollars (for the first year, and $1.9 million each year afterwards) in order to make sure that the RIAA and MPAA make as much money as possible and stop losing profits to those rotten thieving students that steal all of their revenue.


      Robert Coop
      Doctoral Student,
      Computer Engineering

    10. Re:It seems they value that more than education. by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Strawman? What? I just asked if someone can explain the logic behind a statement. Since when if that a straw man? Ohh.. I get it now, the statement I was replying to is a strawman.

      The question you have to ask is WHY is file sharing illegal. To protect the recording industry's outdated business model.

      That actually has nothing to do with this law. There is a law that makes certain types of file sharing illegal and it need to be followed or changed. This law was passed on some sort of effort to make sure it was followed and if you object to it, you need to get it changed instead of asking why. Your personal validation has no weight in whether the law is invalid or not unless something like the constitution of the state or country is in conflict with it. If the law is there, deal with it. Otherwise, get the law changed.

      The enxt question is WHY is the population (because it is them through their taxes) asked to PAY for enforcing a law that makes them and their children criminals in order to line the pockets of music executives?

      Am I missing something here? Is there some abridged right to the music that the record companies are pimping out? Is it too much to ask the children of today to either not buy the cd or record them from the radio or something instead of stealing a CD, ripping it and giving it to all their friends? Actually, the population is not becoming criminals just to line the pockets of the Music or Record companies. They are becoming criminals because they are breaking the laws that give the copyright owners exclusive control over their content's distribution. I'm sure you wouldn't mind a law being enforced that stopped the guy bigger then you from walking into your room and taking your money whenever he wanted to. I'm sure you wouldn't mind the law being enforced that stops the neighbor from taking the tires off your car and selling them to someone else once a week. I'm sure you won't mind the law being enforced that stops drunk drivers from running red lights and crashing into your car and killing the passengers. But somehow, taking something that isn't yours and giving it to someone else is completely ok if the record labels are who you took it from and making people criminals for that is wrong.

      If it is law, it needs enforcement. If you don't like the law, get it changed. There is nothing in this law that effects the education of people under any sane interpretation of reasonable and the connections to students not learning just isn't there.

  8. As a Tennessean, may I say by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Once again, I apologize for my home state. If it's any consolation, this is just one of MANY, MANY, MANY dumbass laws passed on a yearly basis there. I decided it was time to leave about the time they started looking at creationist laws. The Scoppes Monkey Trial taught them nothing.

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  9. Re:Valid by gfxguy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really.... "reasonably attempt" and only if there are fifty or more "legally valid" notices...

    The kind of legislation made by lawyers to increase the amount of time they get to charge customers for litigation.

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  10. The end of residential computer networks by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I were a university, I'd take this as my cue to disconnect the residential university network from the campus network and outsource the connectivity. The students would have to VPN in if they wanted access to campus services.

    This would probably be cheaper than complying with this law, and even if it weren't, it would send a message to the lawmakers to be mindful of the law of unintended consequences.

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    1. Re:The end of residential computer networks by the4thdimension · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most uni's don't want to face downtime they can't control. Residential networks make it easy to set up services that students need without the hassle of diving out VPN software and having to troubleshoot that all day. Furthermore, your average college student won't even know what VPN means let alone how to install, run, and use one. This is a nightmare waiting to happen. In my opinion, the best thing a university can do at this point is do what all the smart ones did: ignore anything having to do with copyright laws, dmca, or regulations. The man will come down but uni's have good lawyers and they can/will win. This is just another classic case of the RIAA buying themselves a law.

  11. Closed P2P by mfh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Another approach to fighting RIAA and MPAA would be to create a kind of digital fingerprint process that would allow Indie bands and film makers to freely release their stuff over a closed P2P utilizing user accounts. This type of thing has been attempted in the past with great failure, but it's possible that with the proper interest, a push to exclude greedy practices from infiltrating P2P networks would be essential.

    A theory of mine is that many record labels would want to release their stuff for free on P2P so that they can sue later and reap big rewards. That song used to generate $0.99 each, but after you seed it and nurture it, the windfall is $2500 for each song for each downloader.

    Tell me this isn't happening!!!!!!

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    1. Re:Closed P2P by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Informative

      If by "fingerprint" you mean something giving you access, you're talking about DRM, which is unacceptable.

      If by "fingerprint" you mean a watermark, to identify people who share songs, that might work, but it generally means either adding a bit of metadata (which is easily stripped out), or some sort of stenography (which may decrease quality and impact compressibility).

      And a watermark wouldn't actually work with P2P, since if it's metadata applied by the client, it's that much easier to realize it's happening (and how to strip it out), and if it's not applied by the client, the main benefits of P2P are gone -- a torrent results in everyone getting the exact same file, and you want to give everyone a different file.

      So you can either use P2P, or an effective watermark, but not both.

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    2. Re:Closed P2P by troll8901 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can only admire you and SanityInAnarchy for explaining difficult topics so easily.

      I have another theory on what you're trying to say. Are you saying:

      • identify pirated music that are sneaked onto P2P networks, and remove them before people get sued?
      • making a hash of the audio or digital certificate, to certify them as truly free music?

      (How much do you want for your Slashdot ID? <g>)

  12. Like they don't have anything bettet to do.... by olddotter · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is just a hidden bail out of the music industry. They need a viable business model in the modern world.

  13. Unjust by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they aren't receiving state funds, then the state has no business putting this mandate on private institutions. Then again, this country has a long, sordid history of things like "attractive nuisance laws" like the ones which make people who have pools in their yards put up all sorts of fences to keep kids out of their yard (rather than arresting the kids for trespassing).

  14. Unconstitutional = unreasonable by Taibhsear · · Score: 2, Interesting

    [R]easonably attempt to prevent the infringement of copyrighted works over the institution's computer and network resources

    Well violating the students' constitutional rights seems pretty unreasonable to me, so the whole law is moot IMHO.

  15. Social networking would still work, after a fashio by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The students could still run a website where people would advertise what content they had, and how to contact them to gain "access" to it, face-to-face. The university would be compliant, since this website, AFAICS, would not violate the DMCA itself. It might be in violation of "encouraging copyright infringement", but that's different, I think.

    If the students are clever, and advertise the site as something which helps you meet other students with similar tastes in music, I think it might be hard to get any kind of ruling against it.

  16. do you sing? no,... really by Simonetta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, do you sing? You listen to recordings of other people singing and find them pleasurable. You make copies of these recordings so that you can get the same pleasure later. You actively listen to new radio and television shows in order to hear new songs to repeat this cycle. You go to bars and concerts to hear other people sing, even without hearing their recordings previously.

      But you don't really sing yourself. It feels weird. You look weird doing it. Everyone looks at you weird should you do it. Everyone accepts that music and singing is what's on a disk that comes from an 'artist' and is something that you buy from a disk shop. Or download on a bit torrent. And get hassled and extorted by the RIAA who occasionally spy on your downloading. Something that they gave themselves the right to do without asking you.

      This is your-our cultural input conduit. It is based on the economic concept that the best singers and song makers will physically go to a centralized city, meet with the best music instrument players, sing and play together, and the recording of this will be put on a disk. A corporation will make millions of copies, send these disk copies to all corners of the globe, sell them to people who enjoy the best singing and playing, keep most of the money for themselves and give the singers a few pennies maybe from every dollar that they collect from selling these magic music disks.

      A hundred years go by and this strange economic model transcends mere commerce and becomes the primary cultural conduit for most people in the developed world.

      But it is an aberration. It's only a 20th century phenomenon. It didn't exist in the hundred centuries before the 20th. And now the 20th is over. And the centralized cultural distribution model is getting better at putting you in jail, extorting your financial resources, and getting you thrown out of school than it is at meeting your basic human cultural needs.

      So get a new model; get a new cultural conduit. Go back to the ways before the 20th century that people used to develop their cultural resources. Where are you going to find new music if not from recordings? From books. There is a system for writing and reading music. It works. Learn it. Where am I going to hear and share new songs? From listening to people sing them to you. And by you singing new songs to them. Sure it hurts the ears at first. Sure it feels weird and silly and uncomfortable. But these are only 20th century cultural conditionings. And the 20th century is over. Time to leave it behind.

        This is the only way that we are going to stop the RIAA. By developing a parallel culture that meets our needs. And then keeping it secret from the 20th century music corporations.

        Learn to sing.

  17. Tennessee? by wcrowe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At first I thought, "With the economy being what it is, I can't believe that a state would pass such an expensive statute." Then I remembered that Tennessee is the home of Nashville. So perhaps that is why the RIAA has so much pull there.

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  18. So you're a judge, also? by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    > I'm not an idiot, I can tell when content is infringing copyright or not, and I'll deal with it.

    That's a good one! Look at the movie "Charade", for example. It was hosted for quite a while on archive.org because it was originally screened without a copyright notice. The MPAA found some loophole and got it taken down....

    1. Re:So you're a judge, also? by CSMatt · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How the US managed to pass a law that retroactively (and, therefore, unconstitutionally) extended copyright terms 10 years ago is beyond me, but it happened.

  19. Best of luck RIAA by einer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As an IT professional working at one of these TN universities I can report that the budget crunch currently going on in education (the aggresive growth policies that served the endowments so well in the past were mostly real estate driven) will limit the resources these new directives are allocated. In fact, we're actually considering open source solutions for the first time since I've worked here. Pretty sure the RIAA's financial well being is not at the top of our list.

    1. Re:Best of luck RIAA by jvkjvk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem is it's not "best of luck" I'm pretty sure the law has some teeth should you not comply. It doesn't matter that there's no money for it; any discretionary budget will get soaked up - think upgrades (you really didn't need that new comp lab did you?)

      Unless this law is struck down your uni will either do what the STATE wants or lose state support, perhaps accreditation, funding. This is a compliance issue now, not a "good luck" issue.

      If you think you're in a budget crisis now, tell the RIAA "best of luck" after they serve your uni with 50+ of these notices...

    2. Re:Best of luck RIAA by einer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unless this law is struck down your uni will either do what the STATE wants or lose state support, perhaps accreditation, funding. This is a compliance issue now, not a "good luck" issue.

      The state is not responsible for accreditation. We are not a state institution and do not rely on the state for any funding. The contention is between the development of our alumni relations (donations) and spending money on enforcing another organizations business model. I would be shocked if we voluntarily spent money we didn't have on something that we don't need, when we could spend it on pan handling our well heeled alumni.

  20. ennessee Budget Shortfall Could Reach $800 Million by dhwebb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Foundering first quarter revenue collections indicate that Tennessee's state budget shortfall could reach $800 million, Gov. http://www.topix.com/state/tn/2008/11/bredesen-tennessee-budget-shortfall-could-reach-800-million

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  21. Residential network = ISP? by anexium · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If this is with regard to a residential network provided by the universities (and not the university network as such), wouldn't the provision of this put them in the same position of an ISP, and therefore protected by the same regulations that stop ISPs getting sued for the content that goes across their network?

  22. Hit them where it hurts by chord.wav · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Stop buying music and movies. Yes that includes the ones in iTunes.
    No mattr how loud you complain, if you still are giving them your money, nothing will get solved.

    You have to be the change you want to see in the world - Ghandi

  23. Nashville has more than country by Nerdposeur · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, the blues started in the south, too. There is a club in downtown Nashville with B.B. King's name on it, and other genres get recorded there, too.

  24. Re:Terrorism by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh please. If the mafia came after you for file sharing, you would be begging for lawyers and political hijinks.

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  25. Public radio by Chris+Daniel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Good thing I have 10 stations programmed into my radio dial so I can skip commercials.

    I have begun to hate commercials with a passion, since I stopped watching normal TV and started downloading shows. The radio ads got to me just as much after a while.

    I now exclusively listen to my local listener-supported classical radio station (http://allclassical.org -- 89.9 FM in Portland, OR). They, along with many other listener-supported stations, simply read aloud written messages from some business sponsors; I find this massively less obnoxious than normal radio ads. There are apparently a few of these stations around (there was one in my home town of Tulsa), since the demand tends to be lower than is viable for a commercial classical station.

    So, if you can't stand ads, don't want to pay for satellite radio, and NPR isn't your thing, there is probably something else available.

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  26. Re:do you sing? no,... really by chrismcb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can't sing, I don't want to sing. I don't want to listen to amateurs, I want to listen to professionals. I want to listen to people who spend a lot of time practicing and training, and who are GOOD at what they do. It is called civilization, we have moved beyond the hunter gather society, and moved into a society where people can become experts at one thing. I want to go to a doctor who studied and practiced being a doctor. Not one who practices a little on the weekends, and cuts hair the rest of the time. I'm not going to stop you from listening to whomever you want. There are plenty of street musicians and amateurs you can listen to... But do you support them?

  27. Arguably Unconstitutional by rfc1394 · · Score: 2, Informative

    With the 1978 complete rewrite of the copyright law, and especially the Berne Convention Accession in the 1980s, it's arguable that as far as copyright is concerned, Congress has decided to completely preempt the field of copyright with respect to everything except pre-February 15, 1972 sound recordings (which aren't federally copyrighted anyway) and thus no state has authority to require or permit anything with respect to copyright (except to set rules on the copying of uncopyrightable sound recordings), and this law is in all probability unconstitutional. (The place to go to regulate copyrighted works or their use or misuse is Congress.)

    This seems to be on the same level as attempts by local organizations to regulate use of WiFi, such as universities prohibiting students from running their own wireless routers, or airports trying to prohibit lessees from running their own WiFi, only to have the FCC publicly announce that neither homeowners associations, nor municipalities, nor special districts, nor state governments have any authority to regulate the use of spectrum and only the FCC has any authority to regulate what spectrum may be used and to set the terms and conditions for its use.

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