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Ted Stevens Loses Senate Re-Election Bid

JakartaDean writes "Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, famed Internet regulator, has lost his Senate seat. The AP is reporting that 'Stevens was declared the loser in Alaska on Tuesday night after a two-week-long process of counting nearly 90,000 absentee and early votes from across Alaska. With this victory, Democrat Mark Begich (the mayor of Anchorage) has defeated one of the giants in the US Senate by a 3,724-vote margin, a stunning end to a 40-year Senate career marred by Stevens' conviction on corruption charges a week before the election.' It's probably too early to tell what this means for Internet regulation, but at least there's a > 0 chance that the next committee chair will understand something about the Net."

337 comments

  1. Too Bad by fistfullast33l · · Score: 4, Funny

    Senator Stevens re-election bid is down the tubes.

    1. Re:Too Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Senator Stevens re-election bid is down the tubes.

      To add insult to injury -- a whole series of them!

    2. Re:Too Bad by negRo_slim · · Score: 4, Funny

      Senator Stevens re-election bid is down the tubes.

      Hey Slashdot ain't a big truck. You can't just dump anything on it, more it's like a series of tubes. And all your damn YouTubes, why I had my staff send me an Internet the other day, took 2 weeks to get here!

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    3. Re:Too Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      When asked to comment, Senator Stevens was reported to have called the voters "A series of n00bs"

    4. Re:Too Bad by indifferent+children · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Stevens = pwnd!

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    5. Re:Too Bad by Darundal · · Score: 1

      This is slashdot, so the only thing someone could suggest would be some sort of car analogy. Say, a highway of sorts.

    6. Re:Too Bad by boater+rich · · Score: 1

      Perhaps he should try reading this book... http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R2GHTSB9P55XPQ/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm
      :-)

    7. Re:Too Bad by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      That's basically what John Steward said. The analogy sounds damn stupid, but it's not the dumbest one ever made. We even call the damn thing 'pipes' and refer to how much data 'flows' through them.

      Considering the myth he was trying to dismiss was that it was some magical fairyland where you could put stuff 'on' it and it was all just floating around, it wasn't that bad.

      A better analogy would have actually been a highway system, where everyone, let's say, gets deliveries to their front door and there is no communication besides bicycle messengers. And people don't actually venture on the highway system themselves, although they can 'teleport' to another building, aka, another connection at the library or whatever.

      You can keep building stores that deliver all sorts of stuff, but you also have to build roads for this stuff or you get gridlock. Which is the point Stevens are trying to make.

      A 'series of tubes' sounds stupid to us, but it would help, for example, my grandmother understand the internet. She knows I work on stuff 'on the internet', but has no idea how web pages get out there or anything like that.

      That defense of Stevens aside, he is a convicted felon and it would be pretty dumb to reelect him. And the telecommunications committees really do need some young people on them.

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    8. Re:Too Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention a good network connection being referred to commonly as a "fat pipe". What's the difference between a pipe and a tube?

    9. Re:Too Bad by LrdDimwit · · Score: 1

      Well, that's what you get from a series of bribes. Sent up the ... ah, river. Maybe they can send by a big truck to take him to the penitentiary?

    10. Re:Too Bad by LrdDimwit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This IS Alaska. The population density in most of the state is even lower than most rural parts of the rest of the country, I expect. So it's more a "series of rubes".

      C'mon, guys, how many more times after this are we really gonna be able to beat this dead meme? You could at least try... ;)

  2. I'm amazed by Swordopolis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that it got this close. I figured this would be an absolute stomping after Senator Tubes became a convicted felon.

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    1. Re:I'm amazed by andytrevino · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah -- essentially what this result means is that those Alaskans who cast their vote for Stevens would rather vote for a shamelessly corrupt convicted felon than for a Democrat.

      Most of the time, I'm with 'em. ;)

      (though, to be fair, he would have probably resigned and been replaced with a better candidate by appointment or special election, had he won.)

    2. Re:I'm amazed by siddesu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, the local vote doesn't rest so much on the personal qualities of a candidate so much on his ability to bring pork to his district. Having been convicted on things like having a piece of furniture in his home won't impress votes who depend on the pork for their jobs that much. And from what little I drained from the tubes on the topic, Mr. Stevens was an expert at getting quality output from them pork tubes.

      Besides, he doesn't stand alone, and it dozen't only happen in the US. In Japan a few years back an MP got convicted, did jail time, got out and got promptly re-elected, despite the national media turning him into a sort of laughingstock. Similarities: he was from the northern, relatively unpopulated and cold part of Japan, and he was a "pork expert".

      So, it is either the pork, or the ice. You decide.

    3. Re:I'm amazed by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Special election within 90 days of resignation by Alaskan law.

      Someone appointed their daughter, and spoiled it for the rest of 'em.

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    4. Re:I'm amazed by amRadioHed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, it occurred to me that's probably why he was still voted for. If he was forced out of office in disgrace he would be replaced by another less obviously disgraceful Republican. At least I hope that's what happened, although after seeing who they elected Governor I could be giving Alaskan's too much credit.

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    5. Re:I'm amazed by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1, Informative

      But the rugged individualists of our great northernest state would never stoop to feeding at the government trough like the welfare mothers of a thousand right-wing nightmares!

      Wait, never mind, Stevens has been kicking around longer than Alaska has been a state, precisely for that skill...

    6. Re:I'm amazed by MillenneumMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm NOT amazed. Congress collectively has an approval rating below ten percent leading up to the election and yet over 96 percent get re-elected. The American electorate definitely get what they deserve because they keep sending the same idiots back time and time again.

      The real shame is that it takes a felony conviction to create enough momentum to throw the guy out. How that William Jefferson in Louisiana is still in office is beyond comprehension.

    7. Re:I'm amazed by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm NOT amazed. Congress collectively has an approval rating below ten percent leading up to the election and yet over 96 percent get re-elected. The American electorate definitely get what they deserve because they keep sending the same idiots back time and time again.

      It's called gerrymandering and the congress, they doing it right.

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    8. Re:I'm amazed by caitsith01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. Contrary to the breathless summary:

      With this victory, Democrat Mark Begich (the mayor of Anchorage) has defeated one of the giants in the US Senate by a 3,724-vote margin, a stunning end to a 40-year Senate career

      what would have been "stunning" would have been if Stevens survived. In fact the pre-election polls suggested he was a goner, and the fact that he nearly won was very surprising.

      What this really means is that (a) the Repugs won't have to vote to sack one of their own from the senate and (b) Palin won't get a run at this senate seat.

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    9. Re:I'm amazed by ricklg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, but it could also mean that the alternative choice is even worse than the berated incumbent.

      Maryland (my state) is just about all Democratic. The Republicans often run some turkey just to have a race. The results are usually embarrassing to the Republicans, but at least they tried.

      As a registered Republican I've been frustrated year after year having to vote for the Democrat (usually the incumbent) because the Republican was clearly unqualified.

    10. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the reason that it was so close was that Stevens' opponent was probably the worst possible choice of state-level Democrat to run against him. Begich represents "old money" Alaskan politics just as much as Stevens, has had seemingly legitimate accusations of corruption leveled against him for years, and has been one of Anchorage's most lackluster mayors ever.

      My mother, a toe-the-line Democrat cast her first ever vote for a non-Democrat in the Stevens race (for a third party).

      I voted for Stevens in hopes that we would have special election with anyone but Beggich running against him. I would really like to have seen Ethan Berkowitz (who ran against our Congressman, Don Young, and lost) take this instead of Beggich, and was hoping that might happen in a special election.

      In terms of cleaning up congress, I would say that this outcome is undoubtedly worse than re-electing Stevens. Given the choice between two corrupt candidates, I would always choose the one who will be kicked out of office if he is elected. Hopefully someone will have the balls to run against Beggich in the next primary.

    11. Re:I'm amazed by NoPantsJim · · Score: 0, Troll

      (though, to be fair, he would have probably resigned and been replaced with a better candidate by appointment or special election, had he won.)

      Yeah, or a worse candidate could have been appointed, and we'd have to put up with "Senator Palin"'s bullshit for years to come.

    12. Re:I'm amazed by MichaelSmith · · Score: 0, Troll

      (though, to be fair, he would have probably resigned and been replaced with a better candidate by appointment or special election, had he won.)

      Yeah, or a worse candidate could have been appointed, and we'd have to put up with "Senator Palin's bullshit for years to come

      So what? You are going to have to put up with Governor Palins bullshit for years to come anyway.

      While we are on the subject why would she want to run anyway. Aren't Governers > Senators?

    13. Re:I'm amazed by omeomi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      what would have been "stunning" would have been if Stevens survived.

      Well, I don't know about "stunning"... Is there anything left that our elected leaders can do that would really "stun" the American public?

    14. Re:I'm amazed by Alchemist253 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Gerrymandering is impossible in Senate elections as long as state borders remain fixed.

    15. Re:I'm amazed by Kandenshi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      They're at least somewhat orthogonal I thought? I'm not American so sometimes I can have really skewed views of how things work down there, but I don't see either as junior to the other. They have a very different set of responsibilities and privileges.

      Regarding why she'd want to run... from up here I'd heard some rumblings about how Palin might have some executive experience, but a stunning lack of information about the rest of the country. Said persons then went on to suggest that some senate experience would be good for her if she wants to be involved in the 2012 race, get her some additional exposure out-of-state and some experience in Washington(being a maverick outsider renegade is all well and good, but some knowledge of how things work in Washington isn't entirely bad).

      I'm not sure how many millions of Americans this would carry weight with, but these two seemed to think it'd be a splendid idea.

    16. Re:I'm amazed by ushering05401 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Aren't Governers > Senators?"

      Strict constitutionalists would tell you so, or at least they tell me so. The nature, qty, and method of procuring the federal funding that flies around these days has made the D.C. delegations much more powerful than their state level counterparts.

      Anyhow, I usually hear the Civil War cited as the tipping point between state/federal power with feds going unchallenged for supremacy since I have been alive to witness.

    17. Re:I'm amazed by LMariachi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only Alaskans have to put up with Governor Palin. All Americans would have to put up with Senator Palin.

    18. Re:I'm amazed by andytrevino · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I doubt Palin would have appointed herself. First off, that's probably against the law, or Governor Murkowski would have done it to himself a few years ago rather than appoint his daughter Lisa to the seat. Since then she has won reelection on her own merits.

      More importantly, though, if you look into Ms. Palin's history a bit you'll find that her whole campaign for Governor was pretty much based on running against the extremely corrupt Republican machine in Alaska.

      Appointing herself to the seat would cause her to lose all credibility on that issue with people like me, with whom it's a major selling point. :)

    19. Re:I'm amazed by Hooded+One · · Score: 1

      That's mostly because people's approval (or lack thereof) of Congress is mainly based on their opinions of the people they didn't vote for. It's why I cringe every time I hear a complaint about people in Congress criticizing Bush when their approval rating is even lower. Apples and oranges, people!

      (That's not to say that Congress is all sunshine and ponies, either, just that that particular argument is thoroughly flawed.)

    20. Re:I'm amazed by philspear · · Score: 0, Troll

      Well of course, after all, republicans find plenty of ways to rationalize their own use of tax money while throwing a hissy fit about anyone else using it. That's one of the reasons red states more tax money than they give.

      http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

    21. Re:I'm amazed by deniable · · Score: 1

      What I heard was that all of Steven's votes were early votes from before the conviction. He started in the lead but got no more votes. The other guy just had to accumulate enough to get over the line.

    22. Re:I'm amazed by deniable · · Score: 1

      The laws got changed to have special elections rather than appointment after Murkowski appointed his daughter. Wasn't that an appointment to fill the seat he vacated to become governor?

    23. Re:I'm amazed by deniable · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's job creation for comedians. Obama's election is making their jobs harder. Palin on a national stage would bring back the good times.

    24. Re:I'm amazed by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      First off, that's probably against the law, or Governor Murkowski would have done it to himself a few years ago rather than appoint his daughter Lisa to the seat.

      Why would he appoint himself to fill the seat he just vacated to become Governor?

      His appointing of his daughter was why we changed the laws here.

      Regarding Stevens, it's good to finally be rid of the embarrassment... too bad we're replacing him with someone who is equally corrupt - only instead of belonging to big oil, Begich belongs to organized crime.

      But then, corruption is a requirement to be in politics in the United States, so I guess Begich arrives well qualified.

    25. Re:I'm amazed by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wait, never mind, Stevens has been kicking around longer than Alaska has been a state, precisely for that skill...

      Actually, Stevens became a Senator in 1968, whereas Alaska became a state in 1958. He's been a prick for much longer than Alaska's been a state, though.

    26. Re:I'm amazed by siddesu · · Score: 1

      I think it is a case of more power with less votes rather than ideology.

      In underpopulated states, the amount of people that share the spoils is smaller, so each individual gains more.

      Therefore, they have more incentive to stand behind the incumbent senator (especially if the guy is a crook), and also why the incumbent senator has more incentive to be creative about pork.

      In populous states, this kinda works in reverse. If the pork is spread over the total population it won't make much difference. And if spread over a smaller group of people, they'll be viewed as corrupt by the majority, and their patron will be likely to lose.

    27. Re:I'm amazed by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is there anything left that our elected leaders can do that would really "stun" the American public?

      If one of them were to turn out to be decent and upstanding, that would utterly shock us.

    28. Re:I'm amazed by Killer+Orca · · Score: 1

      What makes you think we've heard the last of Palin?

    29. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the term "executive experience" is only used because it was churned out on a massive scale by the Republican media machine. what exactly does it mean? does Mrs. Palin indeed have it or does it just make her sound better?

      _AC

    30. Re:I'm amazed by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      While we are on the subject why would she want to run anyway. Aren't Governers > Senators?

      Even though Palin might have less overall power as a Senator, she would still likely consider it a good strategic move to bolster her future Presidential campaign. This is because being a Senator is a Federal office, while Governor is a State office, and she wants to stay in the spotlight nation-wide. Recall also that nobody outside Alaska had ever even heard of her until she got selected as McCain's running mate -- being the Governor just isn't a very visible office outside the state.

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    31. Re:I'm amazed by zullnero · · Score: 1

      Actually, what it tells me is that a whole lot of Alaskans don't follow politics too closely. After all, Ted Stevens has been in Alaskan politics since BEFORE Alaska became a state. There are people up there who vote for the guy just because they've voted for him for the last 40 years...after all, what do they have to complain about? They get a socialist-style kickback check from cash extorted from oil drilling companies every year. They probably didn't want to change things and risk that kickback check.

      And still, enough of them did just that to kick the bum out.

    32. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Regarding Stevens, it's good to finally be rid of the embarrassment... too bad we're replacing him with someone who is equally corrupt - only instead of belonging to big oil, Begich belongs to organized crime.

      Care to back that up with facts?

    33. Re:I'm amazed by Atario · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Two words: Marion Barry.

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    34. Re:I'm amazed by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Hell at least you got a pretend race,here in AR they usually run unopposed. Oh,they usually have some Green/Libertarian on there just to make it look like you have a choice,but the other guy is so poor they don't even have the money to run a single print or radio ad,so for all you know he is some crazy they let out just to run. And even with that we have managed to get a few Green party elected for local spots simply because the other choice sucked so bad we'd rather take a chance on the crazy ;-)

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    35. Re:I'm amazed by Leareth · · Score: 2, Funny

      Regarding Stevens, it's good to finally be rid of the embarrassment... too bad we're replacing him with someone who is equally corrupt - only instead of belonging to big oil, Begich belongs to organized crime.

      But then, corruption is a requirement to be in politics in the United States, so I guess Begich arrives well qualified.

      I'm an Alaskan and I approve of your statement.

      In fact I'm not sure I could have said it better.

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    36. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's like the King of Alaska. But then, scuttlebutt I've heard is that Begich is a dirtbag but that's coming from some attorneys from Begich's area.

    37. Re:I'm amazed by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gerrymandering is impossible in Senate elections as long as state borders remain fixed

      Not necessarily - if you can't move the borders, sometimes you can move the people cf 'Dame' Shirley Porter's gerrymandering in Westminster.

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    38. Re:I'm amazed by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If he was forced out of office in disgrace he would be replaced by another less obviously disgraceful Republican. At least I hope that's what happened, although after seeing who they elected Governor I could be giving Alaskan's too much credit.

      Funny you should mention that. Even though his replacement would be chosen by special election and appointed, the consensus in the punditocracy was that Palin would run for the seat and probably win.

    39. Re:I'm amazed by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1

      Argh. Obviously I meant "and not appointed".

    40. Re:I'm amazed by danskal · · Score: 0, Redundant

      You'd think so, but Sarah Fey couldn't do any better than Palin..... she is such a parody of herself.

      The youtube video is gone, but Fey's skit on Palin was just word for word the same as Palin's speech.

    41. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True. There is nothing funny about Obama. He tells everyone to their face he is going to anally violate them and everyone cheers. Can not call the guy a liar at all. His campaign people, thats a different story. But in all honesty I don't think there would be much of a difference besides racial if everyone voted for McCain. Sorry but I just don't see much difference between Republicrats and Demopublicans. McCain and Obama's senate voting record almost matched line for line.
      SO! Two things can happen. Obama does a knock up job and becomes a hero as the first black president. OR he does a Bush type job and becomes a scapegoat for the nation and becomes the albatross around black societies neck and all the racist go "see, I told ya so."
      With the pressure on him like this... i'm hoping for the sooner statement over the later.
      No matter what the next 4 years is guaranteed to be interesting.

    42. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh. With this douche bag gone, we are making real progress getting rid of those senators who are corrupt. By my count, we are down to only 99 left.

    43. Re:I'm amazed by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      I am amazed that this is not investigated esp by the media. The polls showed more than 20% differential against Stevens just 24 hours ahead of the vote. So how did it end up this close? The odd thing is that it was the mail in votes that KILLED Stevens. So, how did the election get turned that much in just 24 hours?

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    44. Re:I'm amazed by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      It means Alaska shares a border with Canada, now listen to grandpa while he tells you about the onion on his belt.

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    45. Re:I'm amazed by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Obama made me realise quite how jaded I've become towards politics. He keeps doing and saying things I approve of, and I keep wondering what his ulterior motive is. The idea that he really believes what he's saying never occurred to me.

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    46. Re:I'm amazed by Mishra100 · · Score: 1

      Someone posted this comment on Slashdot . I believe this to be pretty true.

      If Obama screws up, blame will be put on Bush still because "his policies are still lingering".

      If Obama succeeds, it will be because he brought change like he said he would.

      Yes, I'm an unbiased Obama supporter.

    47. Re:I'm amazed by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      Alaskans know what they are doing. Ted Stevens brought home the pork. The bridge to nowhere was his doing. I mean, Alaska gets $1.68 from the federal government for each dollar they pay to the federal government, and that's because of Stevens. For all the bluster about Alaskans being small-town survivors, the truth of the matter is that they are one of the premier welfare states in this country. Not only are they dependent on massive federal handouts, each Alaskan gets $3,200 a year from the sale of oil.

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    48. Re:I'm amazed by Thing+1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Funny you should mention that. Even though his replacement would be chosen by special election and appointed, the consensus in the punditocracy was that Palin would run for the seat and probably win.

      That's actually my favorite part about this: her national political career is now stillborn, she'll have to wait for an actual election to be able to take a Senate seat.

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    49. Re:I'm amazed by twostix · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Ryan

      Don't get much more decent and upstanding than that.

      Few and far inbetween though, but it's no different anywhere in the world.

      It seems the decent and upstanding ones tend to get shot.

    50. Re:I'm amazed by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      That's because for most people "Disapprove of Congress" != "Disapprove of my Congressperson". There's always a bit of "He supported the failed policies of $incumbent_congressional_party" in any race against an incumbent; but mostly congressional races focus on the people running, not the policies of the Congress as a whole. For some people it's a choice between parties, for others a choice between individuals, but rarely is it a choice between "supported current congress or not". Besides, in most cases even if the person running against the incumbent isn't actually currently in Congress, there is a very good chance that they hold some other public office or have done so recently. Chances are there's been a good chance for people to become disapproving of them too.

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    51. Re:I'm amazed by indifferent+children · · Score: 1
      Remember kids, if they aren't playing instruments then it isn't really a song!

      Actually, if they aren't singing, it isn't really a song. If they aren't playing instruments (or whistling or humming), then it isn't a tune.

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    52. Re:I'm amazed by indifferent+children · · Score: 3, Insightful
      He tells everyone to their face he is going to anally violate them and everyone cheers. Can not call the guy a liar at all.

      Our nation is in debt. If you have moral character, you agree that you must service your debt until you can pay it off. This requires that revenues come from somewhere. I'll take an honest politician who tells me that I have to pay my share of the debt, to one who says, "Don't worry! There are no consequences to being deeply in debt, and nobody will have to sacrifice to pay off this debt." Yes, a big-taxing, big-spending Democrat is morally and effectively superior to a small-taxing, big-spending, big-debt Republican.

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    53. Re:I'm amazed by keithjr · · Score: 1

      Senator Palin?

      No thanks.

    54. Re:I'm amazed by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      Regarding Stevens, it's good to finally be rid of the embarrassment... too bad we're replacing him with someone who is equally corrupt - only instead of belonging to big oil, Begich belongs to organized crime.

      But then, corruption is a requirement to be in politics in the United States, so I guess Begich arrives well qualified.

      Welcome to Alaska, the new Louisiana.

    55. Re:I'm amazed by Schadrach · · Score: 1

      Depends on timing. Many economic policies take substantial time to have the intended effect. I'll be paying attention not to where the economy is, but which direction it's moving in 2010 and 2012 to see what effects Obama's policies are having.

    56. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The elephant in the room is that he is black. You don't make fun of a black person nowadays without being called a giant racist. He might gain material to be made fun of, but nobody would want to.

      Stupid Politically Correct world.

    57. Re:I'm amazed by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      Well, he's been given his chance, I hope he will use it to do what he says.
      For some reason I feel really good about this one.

      Disclaimer: I get most of my american politics news from the daily show and the colbert report, being dutch and all that ;)

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    58. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if he thinks tubes run the internets, it is possible that he doesnt side with the Palin is the future of the Republican party arguement.

      It is possible that he knew he was beaten either way (defeated in public or within the Senate). But maybe he knew by running he could stop Palin from going anywhere outside Alaska (if he lost to the public).

    59. Re:I'm amazed by NoPantsJim · · Score: 1

      Please don't question my logic, I need it in order to hate rap music.

    60. Re:I'm amazed by boyko.at.netqos · · Score: 1

      There's a reason the purchase of Alaska is called "Seward's Folly."

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    61. Re:I'm amazed by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      They're at least somewhat orthogonal I thought? I'm not American so sometimes I can have really skewed views of how things work down there, but I don't see either as junior to the other. They have a very different set of responsibilities and privileges.

      Yes, they are pretty much orthogonal. You only have one governor per state, but you have two senators, so in that sense it is harder to be a Governor. You also have more authority as Governor since you are in charge of the State, and therefore are a decision maker. OTOH, Senators influence national issues, and foreign policy, and are therefore often considered a more "important" position, even if you only get one vote in a large body instead of being in charge of something.

      But yeah, Senators have pretty much no say in State affairs, and Governors have no say in Federal affairs, so comparing the positions directly is pretty hard.

    62. Re:I'm amazed by originalTMAN · · Score: 1

      that's the way it's supposed to work. You are fine American. Not being sarcastic.

    63. Re:I'm amazed by MarkvW · · Score: 1, Informative

      Palin would be quite a disappointment to the Alaskan people after Stevens. There is no way such a mental lightweight could ever deliver the pork like Stevens did.

      Hey: Republican pork delivery! I like that.

    64. Re:I'm amazed by nature_geek · · Score: 1

      Actually, Stevens became a Senator in 1968, whereas Alaska became a state in 1958.

      That's true that he didn't become a Senator (by appointment) until '68. However, Stevens was one of the most influential figures in carrying Alaska to statehood. When he started working for the US Department of the Interior in '56, his primary responsibility was Alaska statehood.

      And you can't have Senators that have any weight until you're a state (just ask DC, who has nearly as many residents as the state of Alaska, but is only granted a "shadow senator").

    65. Re:I'm amazed by csartanis · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only link I see between Begich and organized crime on google is your post.

    66. Re:I'm amazed by StormyWeather · · Score: 1

      Actually in most states yes the governor is a much more powerful force, however in states with low populations senators have more ability to influence the state via national government than governors. This is one of the reasons that the per capita national government spending is much greater for low population states. I personally think that even if you consider the good and the bad that can come of that, it is still a good thing. This keeps states like California and Texas from mandating that states like Wyoming and Alaska get dumped on.

      I personally doubt that Palin would have appointed herself to be a senator. It's much easier and straightforward for her career wise to just wait for an election and take it handily. Remember she has one of the if not the most positive ratings among her constituents. That may change in a few years, but I doubt it.

    67. Re:I'm amazed by JAlexoi · · Score: 1

      Politics and facts are incompatible.
      How many felons do you elect as senators?
      Almost one during the last 1 year :)

    68. Re:I'm amazed by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      And convicted for corruption no less. If he was convicted for hiring a prostitute, who cares, but for a politician convicted of abusing his power to be nearly reelected?

    69. Re:I'm amazed by Abreu · · Score: 1

      Well, I've seen a couple of articles about her in the "society" and "entertainment" pages of the newspapers lately...

      Case in point: http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famecrawler/2008/11/16-22/palin-poolside.jpg

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    70. Re:I'm amazed by tuxgeek · · Score: 1

      I'm amazed that it got this close. I figured this would be an absolute stomping after Senator Tubes became a convicted felon.

      I'm alaskan and I'm amazed too. He has a following from bringing billions into the state year after year. Military contracts, bridges to nowhere, etc ... we even have a great missile base! No end of fun for the kiddies. They even named the Anchorage airport after him. They affectionately call it "Uncle Ted".
      Most alaskans see all this money coming in and think it's great for the state and jobs, but don't realize that of all the government contracts, most money and jobs go to out of state contractors and their crews.

      Personally, I'm glad to see him gone. I believe politicians and diapers have something in common, they both need to be changed often for the same reason.

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    71. Re:I'm amazed by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Aren't Governers > Senators?

      Not strictly, no. Each state has one Governor and two Senators, so the club of Governors is, in a strictly numerical sense, more exclusive. And, of course, in most states the Governor will have more power over the state government than the Senator has over the federal government. But the federal government does a lot more than most state governments and has a much wider reach, and so, for many, particularly small states, a Senator has a lot more power and influence in the world than the state's Governor.

      And, if you want to build national political visibility, than being a Senator offers things that being a Governor, again particularly of a smaller state, doesn't.

    72. Re:I'm amazed by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

      Sure you do, you just don't make fun of him for being black.

      Apart from being racist, it's just not funny.

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    73. Re:I'm amazed by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Only Alaskans have to put up with that. No one else gives a shit about the governor of Alaska.

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    74. Re:I'm amazed by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

      I don't think apples and oranges is the right idiom here.

      You may be looking for "Pot and kettle" or "glass houses and stones"

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    75. Re:I'm amazed by DavidTC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Afuckingmen.

      I've started calling them 'borrow and spend' Republicans.

      Look, I'm a progressive guy, and things like some sort of national health care make sense to me. But I can see how reasonable people would disagree.

      It's my job to get people in that would demonstrate that those people are incorrect, and it's other people's job to stop me, and we can behave rationally as we disagree.

      Meanwhile, I think our 'larger than the entire rest of the world combined' military budget is perhaps slighty to large unless there's some alien menace we don't know about, and I'll disagree there.

      But there is a place the Republican have not been behaving rationally: Taxes.

      Incoming must match outgo, period. This isn't debatable, this isn't some reasonable disagreement, we must take in as much as we spend, on average. (Year to year we can fiddle with that, overtaxing in a boom and undertaxing in the recession, but whatever.)

      And yet Republicans constantly pretend the amount of tax is government policy that they disagree on. That we're having some sort of fucking rational debate whether or not we should tax people enough to run the damn government!

      They do this because they, if you can't see my signature, want to 'drown the government in the bath tub'. They are attempting to cripple the government so badly that it can't actually run social services.

      You know what 'crippling the government' is, in my book? Treason

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    76. Re:I'm amazed by not+already+in+use · · Score: 1

      Well, we can still make fun of his white half, can't we?

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    77. Re:I'm amazed by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Congress's approval rating is low, ironically, because they don't stand up to Bush.

      It's rather easy to tell based on the statistics. Republican voters disapprove of Democrats in Congress, whereas Democratic voters disapprove of both Republicans and Democrats in Congress.

      I.e., the low approval rating in Congress is due to Democratic being dissatisfied with the Democrats they just voted in. Which is probably because they didn't do any of the damn things they promised, like stop the Iraq war or investigate warrantless wiretapping or stop the torture, etc etc etc.

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    78. Re:I'm amazed by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the submitter is on crack. The fact this race took so long to count, and Stevens was ahead for so long, are the weird parts.

      Everyone assumed at the start that Begich was going to win.

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    79. Re:I'm amazed by indifferent+children · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Meanwhile, I think our 'larger than the entire rest of the world combined' military budget is perhaps slighty to large unless there's some alien menace we don't know about, and I'll disagree there.

      I'm right there with you, politically. But a slight fact-check might be in order. Last I looked, the US defense budget is about 45% of the entire world. So we spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined, and about as much as the next 14 or so countries, combined. And that list of 14 countries includes all of the biggies: Russia, China, Germany, England, etc. Maybe with Iraq and Afghanistan supplementals included, we have crossed the 50% mark, but I haven't seen any numbers to say so.

      Barry Goldwater (perhaps the father of American Conservatism) gave a speech toward the end of his life. One of the things that he said is, "We have to turn The Pentagon into a triangle." Where have those kind of Conservatives gone? I like Ike: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

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    80. Re:I'm amazed by Glothar · · Score: 1

      Aren't Governers > Senators?

      On the whole: No. However, it's not true that Senators > Governors, either.

      By definition, each state has two senators and one governor. A naive view would say that a governor has twice the power of a senator, however, the governor only has statewide power and senators have federal power, so their relative importance and prestige is based on the balance power held by the state locally vs. nationally.

      In the powerful states (large population, mostly), the state itself wields some federal power and governorships are viewed as more prestigious than senate seats. For the most part, these are the states with governors you hear about (at least, you hear about them if you're in the US): California, Texas, New York, Illinois, Florida, etc.

      In the "average" states like Virginia, Ohio, Arizona and Washington, governors and senators are basically peers who simply play in different arenas. Virginia is a little odd in this case as it limits governors to a single term and thus, the move from governor to senator is viewed as a step up if only because you can keep the same job for more than 4 years.

      In the small states, however, things change dramatically. Growing up in the Great Plains, I have spent time in many of these states. These states are so politically weak on a national level that even members of the House of Representatives wield more political power than the governors.

      In those states, which include Alaska, the senators hold the most powerful political office. The fact that their small state is given equal representation against California means that they become very influential. Amplifying this is the fact that small states usually re-elect their senators until they retire (often by natural causes). This means that most senators from small states have long careers in the senate and end up in powerful positions. Tom Daschle from South Dakota rose to be the Senate Majority leader. Byron Dorgan from North Dakota is one of the most powerful Democratic senators and chairs a number of energy subcommittees.

      At the same time, small states like Alaska tend to re-elect their governor's as well, and they tend to have very high approval ratings and state budgets that are either balanced or running surpluses. On the surface, they seem to be doing an excellent job.

      The truth of the matter is that these states have populations of just 600,000 people. This is a collection of people smaller than (and obviously not including) the 40 largest metropolitan areas in the country. The county I live in has 1 million people. To pretend that the governor of a state of 600,000 is just as capable as a governor of a state six times larger than that is simply laughable. Politically, these small-state governors are as powerful and influential as others governing similar populations, and often less so. To express a simple example: Sarah Palin is not even as politically powerful as the mayor of Washington, DC, a non-state of only 580,000.

      In comparison, Ted Stevens has had a long career bringing in millions of dollars (some through corrupt/pork-barrel practices) to his state while influencing national policies. That's something no governor of Alaska can ever hope to do.

    81. Re:I'm amazed by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Last I looked, the US defense budget is about 45% of the entire world. So we spend almost as much as the rest of the world combined, and about as much as the next 14 or so countries, combined. And that list of 14 countries includes all of the biggies: Russia, China, Germany, England, etc. Maybe with Iraq and Afghanistan supplementals included, we have crossed the 50% mark, but I haven't seen any numbers to say so.

      I don't have the math on me, but I have worked it out, and, yeah, Iraq and Afghanistan push us over. Or at least did in 2006, when I did the math.

      And it's not just those two. Veterans Affairs is not included either, along with the nuclear weapon maintenance. Those should be added in.

      Once you add in everything that is actually military spending, we're slightly over 50% of the world.

      And that isn't including black projects, some of which are hiding the military budget so already counted, but some are hidden elsewhere.

      Wikipedia has more info. Including the fact we spent almost 9 billion the totally unworkable missile defense system. That's 30 dollars a person. OTOH, some 'military spending' is not...they're spending money on a reusable space launch vessel, and money to destroy chemical weapon stockpiles.

      OTOH, of course, not all military spending other countries do is in their 'military budget' either. So we're probably really around 45% in actual fact.

      But it is still amazingly absurdly high. It's eight times China's!

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    82. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "only instead of belonging to big oil, Begich belongs to organized crime."

      Since you obviously are "in the know" and using that knowledge for the better of mankind... I bet you are already in protective custody. It is great to see people like you testifying against the corrupt. KUDOS!

      Oh... wait... Ahhhh you were just speaking out of your ass. My bad. Nevermind then.

    83. Re:I'm amazed by Celandro · · Score: 1

      Yes it is obviously far superior to have states like Wyoming and Alaska dump on California and Texas.

    84. Re:I'm amazed by deets101 · · Score: 1

      Regarding why she'd want to run... from up here I'd heard some rumblings about how Palin might have some executive experience, but a stunning lack of information about the rest of the country.

      This is a load of crap started by the Democrates when Palin started to add energy to the McCain campaign. Then, the McCain camp came out after he lost and picked up on this theme to put her down for one reason. They lost after running the worst campaign and wanted a fall guy. After all, they want to be employed for the next round of elections and after seeing how they handled this last one, it might be pretty hard to find a job.

      As far as her running in 2 years, that would be perfect. Obama, was elected to the senate and right away started running for President. She should do the same.

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    85. Re:I'm amazed by marnues · · Score: 1

      This is not true everywhere. Here in Montana we have at least 1 Senator that is not at all corrupt, Jon Tester. He's a freshman Senator, so we'll see how things progress for him. But so far I have yet to differ with him on almost any Senate vote (he did vote for the first bailout, but not the one that passed). I can't even say that Senator Baucus is corrupt, I just disagree with many of his politics. I really don't like our Rep, but its really more Rep Rehberg's wife that is corrupt. So no, it is not a requirement. Please please please please take action. Don't hide behind cynicism, it doesn't do anyone any good.

    86. Re:I'm amazed by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'm glad to see him gone.

      That is interesting to hear coming from an Alaskan. I was under the impression that people kept voting for Stevens all of these years precisely because he brought home so much bacon which he was really only able to do because he was among the most senior members in the entire United States Senate. In the United States Senate political power is directly proportional to seniority because seniority determines committee appointments and chairmanships. So, you do realize that for the next decade at least (and probably two or more) Alaska will have much more junior senator(s) who will not be able to bring home nearly as much bacon as Alaskans have become accustomed to under Stevens who managed to get back ~$1.68 for every $1 that Alaskans sent to the federal government. In a lower population state like Alaska without very senior senators the situation might become more like it is California right now where we get back around ~$0.54 for every $1 that we send to the federal government because we have relatively junior senators compared to many other states.

    87. Re:I'm amazed by marnues · · Score: 1

      We certainly need the cynics, but too much cynicism and we won't be able to see the real winners when they come along. And frankly I wonder if its cynicism that led us into voting for the "feel good" candidate as opposed to the guy that has the better policy. Thankfully this time around the 2 are one in the same, as far as I'm concerned.

    88. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's halfrican-american

    89. Re:I'm amazed by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      These are solid facts pointed out by anyone paying attention once McCain picked her with zero vetting and only a half our interview

      Fixed that for you. Palin is so dumb she makes Bush look smart. But do, please, please, please run her in 2012. Have at it, Hoss.

    90. Re:I'm amazed by Random+BedHead+Ed · · Score: 1

      As far as her running in 2 years, that would be perfect. Obama, was elected to the senate and right away started running for President. She should do the same.

      Obama started his career in the Senate in 2005 and announced his candidacy for president in 2007 (like all the other candidates). I'm surprised to hear that a two-year duration constitutes "right away."

      Even so, the argument you propose in Palin's favor makes little sense. Experience in a govermnment office is not the same thing as experience in general, and neither of these ranges of experience can guarantee good judgement in an entirely different office. There's no logic behind the argument that because someone served as long as Obama did they would make a good president. We don't even know if he's a good president yet, so comparing service durations and concluding that Palin shound run in 2012 makes no sense. (Unless one is a fanboy, that is, in which case matters of reason are out the window.)

      Personally, when Palin starts speaking about issues without demonizing half the US population, and foreign affairs without hinting that she's a n00b, I'll take her seriously as a presidential candidate.

    91. Re:I'm amazed by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it's still only a few weeks after the election. What's she going to do to get attention two or three years from now?

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    92. Re:I'm amazed by originalTMAN · · Score: 1

      I think it's cynicism combined with apathy that's gonna get us. There was only one man in our history who truly looked at the highest position of power as an opportunity to serve: George Washington. Everyone else since has proven that those who can get the office should by no means have it. Our system, as I understand it, is based on the notion that our collective cynical and hopefully well informed and mostly rational voices can temper the lust for power, but we have to keep talking to the right people and, yeah, keep the hope that things will get better.

    93. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm NOT amazed. Congress collectively has an approval rating below ten percent leading up to the election and yet over 96 percent get re-elected. The American electorate definitely get what they deserve because they keep sending the same idiots back time and time again.

      The real shame is that it takes a felony conviction to create enough momentum to throw the guy out. How that William Jefferson in Louisiana is still in office is beyond comprehension.

      How is that even possible? If Congress is supposed to be the representatives of the people how can they remain in office with such a low approval rating? Should not they all be fired on the spot if their approval drops below 51%?

      Further, I thought you couldn't run for public office if your convicted of a felony?

    94. Re:I'm amazed by brandon.excell · · Score: 1

      If the republicans running are so unqualified, then why don't either: 1) You run for the seat, or 2) You Find someone qualified and get them to run for it?

    95. Re:I'm amazed by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 2, Funny

      I believe we have John McCain to thank for providing the media antibodies that will protect us against Sarah Palin in a national role well into the future. I mean, with an IQ of 83 she represents a certain segment of the underprivileged altogether too well...

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    96. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe when you actually pay taxes, people will care about what you think!

    97. Re:I'm amazed by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. (I'm surprised I was modded troll, but oh well! At least it's positive on balance...)

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    98. Re:I'm amazed by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Gerrymandering is impossible in Senate elections as long as state borders remain fixed.

      While Ted Stevens is in the Senate, MilleniumMan was speaking about the entire Congress's approval rating, not just the senate.

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    99. Re:I'm amazed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fucking hate you, Andy Trevino. Don't come to my city.

  3. So, wait... by liquidMONKEY · · Score: 1

    Has his career gone down the tubes, or did his career fall off the back of a truck? It's just so confusing...

  4. He's the loser, everyone else is a winner! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    Perhaps there really is a future in USA.

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  5. It's not a truck by kherr · · Score: 1

    One last time, because it's got a good techno beat. DJ Ted Stevens, "A Series of Tubes"

  6. No Senator Palin then by oldhack · · Score: 2

    This means Palin won't get the Senate seat (Senate would have kicked Stevens out if he won) as a staging post for her national ambition.

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    1. Re:No Senator Palin then by balazsrau · · Score: 2, Insightful

      She'll be elected in two years.

    2. Re:No Senator Palin then by Abreu · · Score: 1
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    3. Re:No Senator Palin then by oldhack · · Score: 3, Funny

      Gotta love American politics.

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    4. Re:No Senator Palin then by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      that photo reminds of the ny hooker that brought down spitzer.

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    5. Re:No Senator Palin then by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Technically, the Senate probably can't kick Stevens out for something he did that was known about when he was reelected.

      However, while they can't kick him out of the Senate per se, they could vote to totally ignore him and remove him from all committees.

      And if they were pissed enough, they could have removed him from the current Senate in the lame duck session they're about to have.

      In fact, they might still do that just to make a point. This will be, IIRC, the first time a convicted felon has shown up on the Senate floor as a Senator. Although if they were going to do that they'd probably have done it yesterday.

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    6. Re:No Senator Palin then by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      No, the Senate can vote to expel a senator at any time. It rarely happens though, as the offender usually resigns first.

    7. Re:No Senator Palin then by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Yes, they can vote to expel a Senator for newly uncovered behavior. However, there is an interesting constitutional question whether or not they can expel people for known behaviors. In theory, the state of Alaska has the right to elect a felon, and Congress can't say 'You have failed in upholding the moral standard people hold you to', because clearly he hasn't failed, or wouldn't have been reelected. (Pretending for a second he was.)

      You think Congress can do whatever it won't, but it can't. For example, it has tried in the past, and been shot down, attempting to impose term limits on itself. Congress only has the right to remove people who 'punish its members for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.', and it's been determined that the second requires the first...they can only expel disorderly people.

      If they had voted to expel Stevens for known behavior at the time he was elected, Stevens probably would have gone quietly...but he could have made a case that Alaska has the right to elect known felons if it wants, in the courts, just like it has the right to elect people who have exceed any Senate imposed 'term limits', and possibly won.

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  7. News for Nerds... Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Is this Nerd News because Senator Stevens was once in charge of the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation?

    Someone might want to tell poor kdawson that Senator Stevens hasn't been in charge of that committee for nearly two years.

    1. Re:News for Nerds... Why? by deniable · · Score: 1

      No, it's because Ted Stevens is an Internet super-star for his 'series of tubes' speech. I'm sure you can find it on YouTube. Just make sure you don't get tricked into watching Grandpa Simpson.

  8. Oh noes! by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Funny

    Stevens goes bye bye and the tubes are already breaking down! Slashdot stories disappearing, seas boiling, dogs and cats living together!!!!

    This is the end!

  9. If Stevens had won by Newer+Guy · · Score: 0

    If Stevens had won, Sarah Palin would have probably been their next senator. Stevens would have been thrown out in January and it would be up to Governor Palin to appoint his successor until the 2010 elections. She would have most certainly appointed herself.

    1. Re:If Stevens had won by Earthquake+Retrofit · · Score: 1

      Alaska law, unlike Illinois, says there would have to be a special election to fill the vacant seat, so Caribou Barbi couldn't have appointed herself. But I believe she would have run and won.

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    2. Re:If Stevens had won by j0nb0y · · Score: 3, Informative

      Alaska doesn't replace Senators by governor appointment. They would have had a special election. Palin likely would have won.

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    3. Re:If Stevens had won by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      In your made up fantasy land maybe, but in Alaska that isn't how it is done.

    4. Re:If Stevens had won by schon · · Score: 4, Funny

      They would have had a special election.

      Am I the only one who read the "special" in "special election" with the same connotation as "special olympics"? :)

    5. Re:If Stevens had won by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably. Most of us aren't fucking idiots.

    6. Re:If Stevens had won by deniable · · Score: 1

      Ted Stevens and Sarah Palin, I can see the connection.

  10. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by Atriqus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You mean it's actually possible to be more of a socialist for Alaska than Ted Stevens?!

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  11. Who's The Fool by plague911 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    The man may have made news for his stupid comments. But remember he was put in charge by his fellow citizens. And now we will be paying him to sit around and do nothing for the rest of his life. So who really is the fool?

    1. Re:Who's The Fool by Digitus1337 · · Score: 5, Informative

      And now we will be paying him to sit around and do nothing for the rest of his life.

      Thanks to his convictions, he will not have a pension, and may spend time in prison.

    2. Re:Who's The Fool by plague911 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Thanks to his convictions," he will not have a pension," Actually according to the cnn he will. He was grandfathered in. As in recently they made a new law that any new senators who are convicted of felony But since Stevens has been around since before that law. He still gets your money.

    3. Re:Who's The Fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      much more important than that...

      Sarah Palin will not be able to use his senatorship to trampoline into a 2012 Presidential campaign

      I mean, Jesus, who, Republican or Democrat, wants to see her in the mix. It's over. Can we all confess now that she is an absolute retard at a national/international level? I have international cred because I can SEE Russia? Jesus.

      So no Stevens = no Palin, and that gives me great relief, like a huge turd has just exited my hole

    4. Re:Who's The Fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now we will be paying him to sit around and do nothing for the rest of his life.

      Thanks to his convictions, he will not have a pension, and may spend time in prison.

      And now we will be paying [the prison system for] him to sit around and do nothing for the rest of his life. (Ahhh.)

    5. Re:Who's The Fool by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 2, Informative

      Also, he's 84. "Rest of his life" isn't going to be all that long in any case.

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    6. Re:Who's The Fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never understood why people thought that his "tubes" comment was stupid. Hell, we talk about "pipes" all the time.

      His analogy wasn't spot on (no analogy ever is), but it was pretty close to what people in the industry say.

    7. Re:Who's The Fool by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Thanks to his convictions," he will not have a pension," Actually according to the cnn he will. He was grandfathered in. As in recently they made a new law that any new senators who are convicted of felony But since Stevens has been around since before that law. He still gets your money.

      Sweet Jesus, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

      Hey taxpayers! I'm a convicted criminal and you're paying my pension, bitches!

      Just shoot me now.

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    8. Re:Who's The Fool by pchan- · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thanks to his convictions, he will not have a pension, and may spend time in prison.

      Unless still-president Bush pardons him.

    9. Re:Who's The Fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This post, while a bit crude, seems to parallel what a great number of people think/say around the US, including the NYTimes, etc. I am truly curious to know, why the visceral hatred of her? She's ignorant about many things, sure, but so are most politicians about any real detail. She's not stupid (comparatively, Biden couldn't seem to stop saying stupid things, some of them REALLY stupid). It also seems that left-wing women were much more vocal and far more emotional in their attacks. It also seems that people cannot stop going after her either. Just yesterday, Ellen Goodman (NYTimes) had a pretty negative column about her. She doesn't seem to be particularly militant about gay marriage/rights, and several other knee-jerk items, so why expend all the energy to keep up the attacks, after she has lost? And all the venom; it's just bizarre.

    10. Re:Who's The Fool by GodKingAmit · · Score: 1

      The mockery isn't because of the tubes comment, it's just shorthand for his hillarious "justification" for letting ISPs selectively shape traffic based on origin.

    11. Re:Who's The Fool by deniable · · Score: 1

      Bush's pardons could be fun to watch. "Hey, George, you can't sink any lower so sign these please. Karl needs an early pardon. Scooter's kept his mouth shut. Let's do Ted Stevens for fun."

    12. Re:Who's The Fool by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 1

      Thanks to his convictions, he will not have a pension, and may spend time in prison.

      Unless still-president Bush pardons him.

      For that to happen, Stevens would first have to stop fighting the conviction... until the case is settled, he can't be pardoned.

      Pretty dumb move if you ask me... fighting the pardon in a way that means you won't be done fighting until the crony with the power to pardon you leaves office.

    13. Re:Who's The Fool by teknognome · · Score: 1

      Actually, he's 85, as of Tuesday.

    14. Re:Who's The Fool by Shajenko42 · · Score: 1

      I want to see Bush be the first president to pardon himself. I'd love to see the Supreme Court case that would trigger.

    15. Re:Who's The Fool by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Ummm.... Did you actually SEE the Couric interview? The bailout is all about healthcare? WTF? You KNOW they had to have been coaching the HELL out of her and she couldn't even name a newspaper? Damn,that is just.....damn. You should look up John Cleese on Sarah Palin on Youtube,because I think he really nailed it. Oh,here it is,I guess my Google Fu isn't completely gone after all. Finally let us not forget we are talking about her actually running as the PUSA. I mean honestly,do YOU think she is qualified for the job?

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    16. Re:Who's The Fool by deniable · · Score: 1

      Bush and the boys go for one last road trip with a bunch of blank presidential pardons. Yee ha.

      I think I have a summer blockbuster for next year.

    17. Re:Who's The Fool by eh2o · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Losing the election does not make her any less deserving of criticism, nor for the party that put her forth as a serious candidate in the face of overwhelming evidence that she was massively unqualified, outright ignorant and corrupt.

    18. Re:Who's The Fool by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He could not pardon ANYBODY on his staff. The reason is that if they are pardoned, then they CAN be forced to testify. That is why Libbey was not pardoned. He is still guilty. Just his sentence will not be carried out. That is also why Dems are waiting. All I can say, is that Obama NEEDS to allow all the investigations. Nixon, reagan, Clinton, and W have shown that ppl with out a moral characters will be corrupted. And it is possible that Poppa Bush was in the same vein, just not caught. Probably the ONLY honest pres was Carter.

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    19. Re:Who's The Fool by GaryOlson · · Score: 2, Funny

      The correct acronym is POTUS. Although PUSA Palin has an interesting suggestion of a hot porn queen.

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    20. Re:Who's The Fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless still-president Bush pardons him.

      Indeed. Why else would he have pushed for such an extraordinarily speedy trial? Brilliant move by Stevens.

    21. Re:Who's The Fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You missed my main point, which was that the really active, vigorous hatred seems over-the-top.

      Biden said things that were completely wrong, over and over, and got essentially a free pass (after 30 years in the Senate, and after being hailed as foreign policy expert), while someone new to scene gets the overwhelming hatred of the left.

      No, she wasn't the best "qualified" person to run, and I didn't vote for her, but she is a governor, and very likely wouldn't have been the worst VP ever elected (hell, she probably wouldn't have been the worst presidential candidate in the last 50 or 100 years). So, if she's incompetent, or ignorant or whatever, why not say that, and not be so aggressive? It just seems counter-productive, and almost like a religious war, or crusade, and not something rational.

      *qualified is an interesting word, and the definition is so vague as to not have much meaning in this context. Here on slashdot, there is always the lamentations about "certification whores" and the paper MCSEs, and how it's such a joke. You may have a "qualified for President" checklist, but it's unlikely to match anyone else's.

    22. Re:Who's The Fool by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Bush's pardons could be fun to watch.

      No kidding! Will he play it close, or follow Clinton's example of clearing his family and campaign donors?

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    23. Re:Who's The Fool by Darundal · · Score: 1

      Unless he takes a page out of Strom Thurmond's book, at which point we are going to be paying him for at least 15 more years.

    24. Re:Who's The Fool by DrgnDancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, there's getting facts wrong and there's being horrifyingly ignorant about basic concepts. The woman could not articulate an opinion on the Bush Doctrine. It's been the cornerstone of US foreign policy for last 6 years (right or wrong) and she couldn't talk about it. Worse, it's a really conceptually simple idea (get them before they get us, essentially), articulated by the current president, who happens to be a member of her own party. That's like not being able to tie her own political shoes. To claim that being able to see Russia gives her foreign policy experience when she can't speak intelligently about the most basic concept of the currently foreign policy is not a mistake, it's like claiming a PhD (or at least a bachelors degree) in physics but being unclear on what gravity is. Biden may have gotten a few equations wrong, Palin didn't comprehend the foundational theory.

      To be fair she got better as the campaign went on; but it still felt like she was mastering the presented material, not actually understanding the theoretical underpinnings that made it all work. I'm not saying she's stupid, I don't have enough information to base such a statement on; but she was clearly very unprepared for the role. The types of mistakes she made were just much more fundamental than the mistakes Biden made.

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    25. Re:Who's The Fool by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 0, Troll

      And it is possible that Poppa Bush was in the same vein, just not caught.

      Go read about what Lee Atwater did to Dukakis in the 1988 election (link). I saw a frontline special about him the other day and absolutely astounded me how long these "Rove-like"* tactics have been used and have worked. *I say Rove-like, but since Nixon the Republicans have been using similar strategies. Maybe people just haven't caught on until now?

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    26. Re:Who's The Fool by StormyWeather · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Carter was also the worst of all of them. People bitch and moan right now about the economy, but I don't hear anything called the "misery index" on the nightly news like during Carter.

    27. Re:Who's The Fool by geekoid · · Score: 1

      How is Clinton corrupt?
      All the republican lead investigation found nothing.

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    28. Re:Who's The Fool by thatshortkid · · Score: 1

      lying about [spying on rivals, illegal arms deals, reasons for going to war] <<< lying about getting head from a chubby intern.

      duh...

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    29. Re:Who's The Fool by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      I, for one, want to see her run in 2012. If she is the primary, I will probably vote for her.

      This is because I am Democrat, and want to see the Republican party become more a laughingstock, though.

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    30. Re:Who's The Fool by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      I can see the trailer:

      'His term in office expires at noon tomorrow. Air Force 1 is broken down. He's only got 36 hours to visit 12 states, including Alaska, and issue pardons...

      ROAD TRIP!'

      No, but seriously, he can't pardon Stevens, that wasn't a federal violation.

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    31. Re:Who's The Fool by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the first thing Obama should do in office is pardon Libby. And the first thing Congress should do in office is haul Libby in front of them to testify.

      Meanwhile, Obama should be standing there with plea bargains for everyone else.

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    32. Re:Who's The Fool by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      GP was talking about honesty, not competency.

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    33. Re:Who's The Fool by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      While his lying is NOTHING near to what Nixon, reagan, or W did, he still lied. I believe that we had no excuse to ask him what we did, but he did lie under oath. There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. Now, all the rest of the items that they tried hard to pin on him was a joke. And sadly, his presidency is tainted by the lie. But had it not been this, then it would have been something else. Neo-cons would have a fit if Jesus was walking amongst as a black or as a democrat. Odd thing, is that both are FAR MORE LIKELY than Jesus being a white republican.

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    34. Re:Who's The Fool by jvkjvk · · Score: 1

      For that to happen, Stevens would first have to stop fighting the conviction... until the case is settled, he can't be pardoned.

      I looked this up recently and I believe you are wrong.

      A president can pardon someone for crimes they have committed and been convicted of, that is true. A president may also pardon someone who has not been convicted or accused of any crimes. This is a preemptive method so that sometime later no one can investigate that person. It is even possible to pardon someone for unspecified acts, I believe.

      So I do believe that the president can pardon someone in the middle of a case. It basically shuts it down and the charges go away.

    35. Re:Who's The Fool by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Yes, those were on the TV. But carter was correcting the nightmares that Nixon and Ford created. Basically, he had high inflation because Nixon took us off the gold standard AND Nixon/Ford tried to regulate us out of economic issues. Remember WIN (whip inflation now)? I do. What a disaster that was. In addition, we had stagnation due to high oil prices (sound familiar?). That created stagflation. Carter pushed the Fed aside for volker who increased interest to solve our inflation issue (of course stagnating the economy more). In the mean time, Carter deregulated the Airlines AND oil/gas. The airlines dereg went in under Carter and oil/gas was to start 6 months after the election. reagan moved it up and still takes credit for it. Carter, like Poppa Bush, did the right things for America. They both paid the price for it.
      The odd thing is that I seriously doubt that Obama can do anything BUT follow the same route. Pubs have left us in the exact same place; horrible economy and dependant on foreign oil. Of course, this time, we are in a REAL mess on the war front, where back in the 70's, it was Nixon getting us out of the mess. And back then, the dems and pubs cared about the deficit. These days, the pubs have ran up monster deficits like no tomorrow and the dems appear to be following the same footsteps.

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    36. Re:Who's The Fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the mockery is about the tubes comment. People laugh about the tubes. If they want to critisize the rest of his argument, they should actually talk about the parts that are wrong not just go on about "TUBES ROFL!!!!"

    37. Re:Who's The Fool by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      While his lying is NOTHING near to what Nixon, reagan, or W did, he still lied.

      If the question is noneofyourfuckingbusiness, you have no right to expect an honest response.

      but he did lie under oath. There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

      Wrong. Unless you can literally read his mind, there is no way you can prove he lied. And even if he did lie, it's still not perjury as the lie has to be relevant to the case at hand, and the judge ruled that Monica was irrelevant to the Jones case. We have courts to catch and punish the guilty, not make the innocent jump through hoops until you can trip them up and make a bogus perjury charge.

    38. Re:Who's The Fool by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      If that's actually the case I don't expect it to last for very long.

    39. Re:Who's The Fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can agree with almost everything in your entire post. (To be fair, the Bush Doctrine has morphed a bit over the last 4 years, and he has handled N Korea far differently than he did the other members of the "Axis").

      If I grant that everything you say is true, it still doesn't answer the question: Why the over-the-top hatred? Just because she's ignorant/incompetent? Is that how we want to behave? Do these same people go to the DMV and scream and rant at the civil servants that botch the license photo constantly? Do they wear T-shirts with the C-word describing the Starbucks barista that got your coffee wrong? At what point, what level, does this become acceptable behavior? It's not like she advocates cannibalism, or some other doctrine of destruction (not going to Godwin's Law).

      If Senator Obama is all about inclusiveness, why do so many of his supporters absolutely vilify Palin (who would have had essentially ZERO power if actually elected) and let McCain off so easily? Was it "well, he's just sucking up the the religious right, but he won't really do any of that stuff"? Or "he's really bi-partisan", or just that "He's fairly competent at world affairs"?

      Dan Quayle was mocked as an incompetent, and a lightweight, but there was nowhere near this kind contempt/bitterness/hatred.

      My question remains: does the "fact" that she was ignorant/incompetent justify the treatment she has received?

      My answer is No. We are (or should be) better than that.

    40. Re:Who's The Fool by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      while he should not have been asked, he also should not have answered, and even more so, should not have answered with a lie. He is a lawyer. He knows what is legitimate and what is not.

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    41. Re:Who's The Fool by RedWizzard · · Score: 1

      While his lying is NOTHING near to what Nixon, reagan, or W did, he still lied. I believe that we had no excuse to ask him what we did, but he did lie under oath. There is ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

      You're equating his lying with his being corrupt. I don't think they are the same thing. Clinton's lying does not necessarily indicate corruption.

    42. Re:Who's The Fool by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Uhhhhh......You do realize that after Cheney we have seen that the office of Vice President can wield a LOT of power,if for no other reason than it gives you a person and place to hide the dirty work since Cheney says it isn't actually part of the executive branch? But I think the biggest reason that everyone was ready to shit their collective pants was the simple reality of the situation.

      Let us not forget that for awhile after the Palin "bounce" it looked like they might actually have a shot at it. The reason that caused everyone to crap their pants was the reality that we are talking about a 72 year old cancer survivor whose body wasn't in great shape to start with thanks to the VC. So there was the REAL possibility that Caribou Barbie(man I love that barb) would have ended up in one of the most powerful positions in the free world and her apparent qualifications were "I can see Russia from my house!". So if you want to know what scared the crap out of folks and turned them nasty,THAT was it.

      Hell I know guys that are as ignorant and racist as they come(working PC repair you meet all types) and even THEY were voting Obama out of fear that " that crazy Alaska bitch" would end up POTUS. As for the earlier poster and why I used PUSA,sorry but I am a big Presidents of the USA fan so I naturally went with PUSA. But you are right,especially after "Nailin Palin" it does sound like a porno.

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    43. Re:Who's The Fool by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      I personally don't hate the woman per se, but as the above poster pointed out, she was running for more than a "normal" VP slot. There was a far better than average chance that she could wind up POTUS, despite John McCain's fairly good health. At 78 people have been know to go from healthy to dead in a year, or more rarely even a month or instantly. Granted this has happened to 50 year olds too, but the odds are a lot better at 50 or even 70 than at 78. This scared people quite a bit and fear causes anger.

      I also think a lot of people were angry at McCain for picking her (either because they felt betrayed, having expected a moderate, or because they felt like he was being irresponsible) and that anger also boiled over onto Palin. After all his rhetoric about being a maveric, and reaching across the isle, a lot of people who voted for McCain in teh primaries expected him to pick a Lieberman type liberal Republican or independent as his running mate. After all his rhetoric about Obama being to inexperienced and not ready for the responsibility, they expected someone with experience. Instead they got Palin, her religious views were clearly intended to pander to Religious Right, she had less experience by far than Obama by almost any measure, what little was known about her positions on the issues were fairly far right of McCain's own (which had shifted right already during his campaign), and there was a transparent "A lot of you gals wanted to vote for a woman, so here ya go" feel to her selection.

      Add to to all of this some really spectacularly scary early interviews where she (as I mentioned above) seemed unclear on some the basic concept of current policy and government, not to mention ignorant of current events and even cultural icons like the New York Times and the Washington Post (or Hell, USA Today). Liberals, moderates, and even moderate conservatives were angry about what appeared to a lot of people to either be a stunningly ill-considered choice or a deliberate slap in the face. Frightened or angry people can be more inclined to hateful rhetoric than they might otherwise be. To make matters worse, instead of disappearing into obscurity after the election like everyone expected, she's been practically campaigning for a 2012 run, and enough of the hard core Republican base seems to like her to make this a possibility.

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  12. He'll be missed by hyades1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a vicious, corrupt scam artist (and convicted felon) whose major contribution to American politics was to funnel millions of taxpayers dollars into one "Bridge to Nowhere" after another, Ted Stevens is the perfect representative of one of the most influential segments of the internet community: spammers.

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    1. Re:He'll be missed by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      Stevens is the perfect representative of one of the most influential segments of the internet community: spammers.

      No way dude, they're clogging up the tubes, and he knows it. Why, he'd have to be unscrupulous to represent them.

      By the way, could someone introduce Slashdot to the wonder of TRANSPARENT GIFS (at least), so they can remove the white corners showing up on their "curvy" grey buttons on these forms? It's kind of embarrassing.

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    2. Re:He'll be missed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but the other 99 scam artists are still in office or will be soon. Being a politician is all bout scamming the voters during election season with BS promises and doing some token moves on them promises for the 3 months of the year they're no on vacation

    3. Re:He'll be missed by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      By the way, could someone introduce Slashdot to the wonder of TRANSPARENT GIFS (at least), so they can remove the white corners showing up on their "curvy" grey buttons on these forms? It's kind of embarrassing.

      Heh, I just like to think of it as the form is smiling at me.

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  13. An Alaskan's perspective by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is just really sad. Ted Stevens played a greater role in the development of Alaska as a state than any other person. Most people outside Alaska are unaware that he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment.

    This is not to defend him. I disagreed with a lot of what he did. (Well, to be more accurate, I disagree with him and all the Robert Byrds, etc who stuffed their states full of pork at the expense of the nation. But at least Stevens had the excuse that Alaska really got a hugely raw deal in its statehood compact, and the lack of fulfillment thereof by the federal government.)

    Stevens eventually became exhibit A in the argument for term limits. Well OK, Exhibit C after Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd.) When you are in office that long, you just naturally begin to believe that that office is YOURS, it belongs to YOU. And it's not fair that after your decades of able public service, your buddies on K Street are all filthy rich while you make a tenth of what they do. After all the billions you've brought to your state, who could possibly begrudge you $10,000 here or there? Heck, you DESERVE it!

    I just want to point out that at one time, there was more to Stevens' career than this, including distinguished service in the Army Air Corps in WWII.

        - Alaska Jack

    1. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by HW_Hack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ""After all the billions you've brought to your state, who could possibly begrudge you $10,000 here or there? Heck, you DESERVE it!""

      Corruption is like pregnancy ... nobody is just a little pregnant. Whats his name Duke Cunningham (who used to be a Top Gun pilot) also found guilty corruption etc.

      A lot of "good" can be washed (down the tubes) by a little bad.

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    2. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Comatose51 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's rare to have such nuanced views on Slashdot. As much as I wanted Stevens out of the Senate, your perspective on him is quite believable. The world isn't black and white or good vs. evil. People are often shades in between. It doesn't help our understanding of the world to type cast someone or see only one perspective/side of a person, a nation, or an issue.

      It is indeed sad to see someone with such a long service to fall to such lows.

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    3. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by syousef · · Score: 1

      This is just really sad. Ted Stevens played a greater role in the development of Alaska as a state than any other person. Most people outside Alaska are unaware that he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment

      I don't get it. Your argument is that it's sad because he did good things too? Doing the right thing doesn't excuse you from having to comply with the law. He doesn't get to eat babies and torture kittens just because he did things that made him wildly popular with his electorate. Perhaps he did do plenty of good but he also obviously did things that would have people celebrate him going including trying to impose stupid legislation on the net and breaking the law for profit.

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    4. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

      he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment.

      I thought about it.

      All I was really left with is that Alaskans must be really hard up for role-models.

    5. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Also, ace pilot from Vietnam and engaged in one of the coolest 1v1 duels of all time against the mysterious Colonel Tomb. He was also one of my childhood heroes.

      Duke was the analogy I always used whenever my friends kept hammering away and how good a President McCain would be because of his courageous POW years.

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    6. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Khaed · · Score: 1

      I think the argument is that he started out great, but because there were no term limits, became corrupt when he lost sight of why he was there in the first place.

      Personally, I don't know enough to say, but I'm with the OP on the idea of term limits -- seriously, the guy is 84. He would be 90 at the end of this term if he survived. Robert Byrd, Strom Thurmond -- heck, even Ted Kennedy. There's no reason the Senate should be a lifetime appointment. McCain is going to run again in 2010 for his Senate seat*.

      Stevens is a prime example of why: The man didn't know shit about computers and was decrying the fact an internet sent on Friday just reached him. He was too old to be making laws -- not just about tech, either. I don't think we should require the Senate to all be experts on all matters, but a passing familiarity with what they're doing should be a must.

      * If you're going to campaign for anything other than re-election, you should be forced to resign from any current national office, at least in my opinion. McCain shouldn't have been collecting a paycheck for being a Senator, neither should Kerry, or Dole, or Obama even, or any of the Senate/House goobs that ran for the nominations and lost. But that's another thread...

    7. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by eav · · Score: 1

      As a non Alaskan, I care about Stevens loss only in that it means there is one less republican in office. That makes it good.

    8. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 1

      Hmm? You don't get why it might be sad when a person who has accomplished a lot of great things, worthy of a great deal of respect, succumbs to temptation and becomes corrupt? You base your entire response on this:

      "Doing the right thing doesn't excuse you from having to comply with the law."

      Even though I never said or implied that it did. To the contrary, I AGREE with you.

          - Alaska Jack

    9. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except, as I understand it, it's not even that the money he got was a "bribe" (or at least the DOJ didn't even bother trying to prove that) -- instead he committed the horrendous crime of not marking down on a piece of paper no one pays attention to that he received it.

      If anyone bothered to look and investigate, I'd bet fully half of the US senators could be found guilty of "corruption" for the high crime of not reporting gifts received worth over $250.

      What's that in D.C.? One expensive dinner?

      Stevens was either flat out railroaded, or was simply unlucky enough to get caught up in the shit-storm surrounding Bill Allens ACTUAL bribing of Alaska state congressmen. Take your pick. The guy deserved better than this.

    10. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The world isn't black and white or good vs. evil.

      It is, however, convicted felon vs. non-convicted felon.

    11. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      The world isn't black and white or good vs. evil. People are often shades in between.

      We have 300 million people in America. I'm sorry, but I really can expect our elected officials to be good, completely good, and not "shades in between."

      (Really, Ted Stevens may have done some good things, but I hated his guts for the amount of wasteful pork he was responsible for -- that's OUR MONEY he's wasting. FUCK TED STEVENS.)

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    12. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      Ted Stevens played a greater role in the development of Alaska as a state than any other person.

      That's wonderful to hear.

      How much did it cost the rest of states' populations for him to do that?

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    13. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Atario · · Score: 1

      he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment.

      Ok...hmmm. Hasn't Alaska been a state for considerably less than a century?

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    14. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

      You make a good point, but nobody forced him to stay senator. If he'd wanted to do another job, for more money, all he had to do was resign and go get one, just like anybody else.

    15. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corruption is like pregnancy ... nobody is just a little pregnant.

      What? No, sorry, but although it may be true that a politician either has or has not done something corrupt, there is undeniably a difference in degree and a spectrum of corruption. Your analogy would have us believe that accepting a minor unsavory/improper gift (a Rolex, say) is the same as major and pervasive political corruption (oh, I don't know, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammany_Hall)

      To say that one simply either is or is not corrupt is to say that accepting a watch while in office is the same as masterminding an extensive network of illicit activities while in office, and that is quite simply an incredible and ridiculous statement.

    16. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      there was more to Stevens' career than this, including distinguished service in the Army Air Corps in WWII.

      And that matters WHY?

      We (and by that I mean both Slashdot as well as at least somewhat intelligent people in general) rightfully chastise those who vote for politicians based on things like who they'd rather have a beer with, and, quite correctly, declare that this shouldn't play a role and that candidates should be voted for based on whether you think they'll be able to do a good job - whether they've got the necessary qualifications, insights, knowledge, and so on.

      How is saying "I'll vote for him because he served in a war 65 years ago and got a medal for it" different from "I'll vote for him because he's got a big ranch and drinks lots of beer and listens to country music"?

      I know you didn't quite say you'd vote (or have voted) for him just because of that, but you do seem to think that it should play a role, even if it's just a small one.

      Why?

    17. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sad? There's nothing I enjoy more than watching a member of the power elite getting royally screwed over by the corrupt business of government where he made his fortune.

    18. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by LanMan04 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Most people outside Alaska are unaware that he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment.

      Yeah, there must have been, what, 3 other contenders?

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    19. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by db32 · · Score: 1

      IIRC that guy was using government stationary to print his bribing price list. That takes some serious balls.

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    20. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      We have 300 million people in America. I'm sorry, but I really can expect our elected officials to be good, completely good, and not "shades in between."

      OK, I'm a pretty liberal guy when it comes to definitions of "good" and "evil", but seriously... You know ANYONE who is "completely good"? I sure don't (and I include myself in this number. I've done things I'm not proud of). this might be one of the more ridiculous posts I've seen lately.

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    21. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by saintlupus · · Score: 1

      McCain shouldn't have been collecting a paycheck for being a Senator, neither should Kerry, or Dole, or Obama even, or any of the Senate/House goobs that ran for the nominations and lost.

      Amen.

      Signed,

      A pissed-off Western New Yorker with only one senator.

    22. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by encoderer · · Score: 1

      We do have "term limits." They're called "elections."

      Term limits are silly. For every incompetent that's term-limited we have a situation where we cannot elect the best man for the job because of a technicality.

      If it weren't for term limits, sure, Reagan could've gotten a 3rd term. But that would hardly have been worse than Bush I. And on the flipside, Clinton would've surely run again in 2000 and most likely he would've stomped Bush II, saving America from 7 years of national tragedy.

      In many state legislatures that have term limits (Ohio comes to mind), you constantly see legislators serving 2 terms in the State House, then 2 in the State Senate, then back to the House, ad infinitum.

      No doubt you'd see that at the federal level as well.

      Besides, many here forget that Stevens was marginalized in 2006 when Democrats took control of the Senate. He lost his chairmanship and was nothing more than a ranking minority Committeeman and Senator.

    23. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people outside Alaska are unaware that he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment.

      How can Alaska, being less than HALF A CENTURY OLD, name anyone Alaskan of the Century?

      Maybe Alaskans should wait until the century is over before they announce who gets the title?

    24. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      Why is it wrong for him to feel sad that someone who did things he found admirable ended up like this?

    25. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok...hmmm. Hasn't Alaska been a state for considerably less than a century?

      Alaska existed before it was a state. It's not like there was nothing there before it was declared a state.

    26. Re:An Alaskan's perspective by Darby · · Score: 1

      he was literally named Alaskan of the Century. Think about that for a moment.

      Given that Alaska is the queen of the welfare states, it means he's the biggest fucking leech?

      That isn't a recommendation you made, its a condemnation. At least to those of us who actually have to pay your bills for you thanks to that douche.

  14. Re:Funny how recounts work by Xiroth · · Score: 1

    I dunno how you can really blame the Democrats for this one, given how Republican-dominated Alaska is - the Democrats simply don't have the power to pull something underhanded. Both parties push this kind of legal crap when they feel it's in their favor. This election was Stevens' to lose, and he did so in spectacular fashion by being convicted on corruption charges (and then, somehow, claiming that he'd never been convicted. WTF?).

  15. Re:Funny how recounts work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    recounts

    Funny how the republicans cry about "recounts" when what was being counted was the absentee ballots for the first time.

    Look at it this way: at least convicted criminals serving in Congress remains a Democrat pasttime and you can continue to thump your values from your high ground without being abject hypocrites and without resorting to kindergarten cries of "but the Democrats!" Except when discussing Bush, because we all know the Republicans wish that Bush was half as awesome as Clinton was.

  16. hey ted by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    a toilet sits atop a series of tubes, with which the electorate flushes you to hell

    adios, douchebag

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  17. Re:Funny how recounts work by hplus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    There are two possible explanations for this phenomenon:

    a) Fraudulent ballots are being added for the Democratic candidate in the midst of the recount.

    b) For whatever reason, more valid democratic ballots went uncounted during the first counting.

    Since recounts are heavily observed by both sides, I find option a to be unlikely. To be perfectly accurate however, the Alaska race was never recounted - they just finished counting all the ballots (absentee and so on take longer) for the first time. Despite this, given the closeness of race, I find it hard to believe that election monitors for either side would have been so incompetent as to allow the level of fraud that you suggest.

  18. Happy Birthday, Ted! by cashman73 · · Score: 1

    Now, GTFO of DC, don't collect $200, and go straight to prison!

    1. Re:Happy Birthday, Ted! by machine321 · · Score: 1

      He collected the $200, that's why he's going to prison.

    2. Re:Happy Birthday, Ted! by maxume · · Score: 1

      The fun part is that he will continue to collect the $200 for the rest of his life.

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  19. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean it's actually possible to be less trustworthy on rights than the Republicans?!

  20. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by gutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Rights wise, you trust Republicans more than Democrats?

    You mean the republicans who fought against civil rights for blacks, gays, and immigrants, and are always looking for ways to suppress the vote? Or the the republicans behind the Terry Schiavo debacle? Or the republicans who decided pornography and medical marijuana were among the top priorities at the DOJ? Those republicans? Or the republicans who were basically 100% for the PATRIOT act, gutting FISA, and legalized torture?

    Those are the people you think are looking out for your civil rights? I'm not saying the Democrats are perfect on civil rights, but dedication to civil rights seems to be much more of a liberal issue (witness right-wing attacks on the ACLU).

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  21. he did it on my dime by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Alaskans get $1.85 back for every $1.00 they pay to the Federal Gov't.

    So Ted Stevens played a huge role in developing Alaska on my dime. I don't need to laud him for that.

    What was wrong with the Alaskan statehood compact? From what I can tell, the Federal government purchased Alaska from Russian. Then turns some of the land over to the state of Alaska? And Alaska gets to charge severance tax on oil taken up there?

    Doesn't sound like a bad deal to me.

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    1. Re:he did it on my dime by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I hear that a lot. And when I do, I always respond: "Hey -- make you a deal. For you, no more pork for Alaska. For us, we get back the unprecedented 60% of Alaska owned by the federal government, to develop as we see fit."

      Any Alaskan would take that deal in a New York Second. We have far more natural resources than, say, Norway, which seems to get along just fine.

          - Alaska Jack

    2. Re:he did it on my dime by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Alaskans get $1.85 back for every $1.00 they pay to the Federal Gov't.

      Yeah, so? That's why their called 'taxes', not 'fees for service', it's a redistribution of wealth, metered out by politicians for favors.

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    3. Re:he did it on my dime by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 1

      No, I'll make you a deal.

      We'll sell you back to Russia.

      Enjoy Putin, bitches.

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    4. Re:he did it on my dime by mudshark · · Score: 4, Informative

      Kwitcherbitchin.

      Nevada's got you beat six ways till Sunday. Utah and Oregon are not too far behind, and Idaho and Arizona are roughly 50 percent federally controlled on the basis of land area: Map plus top/bottom ten lists.

      What's more to the point is the fact the federal ownership does not necessarily exclude economic exploitation. A significant portion of federal lands in AK are wide open to oil and gas production, coal and hardrock mining (the latter in the form of legalized looting thanks the the 1872 Mining Act), timber (hello Tongass NF) and dozens of other industries.

      You've got a plethora of natural resources and lots of grubby opportunists who'd love an anarchic free-for-all to get while the gettin's good and say the fuck with the long-term consequences. Not too different from the placer miners in 1850s California, the sodbusters in the 1880s/1920s Great Plains, the real estate scammers and S&L kingpins of the 1980s, and myriad other shining examples of unfettered American enterprise. Thanks, but I'd rather see a steady hand on the controls even if some of y'all think it's a dead one.

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    5. Re:he did it on my dime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alaskans are generally acknowledged to be true scum of the earth. We put up with their inbred retarded asses to get the oil, sort of like tolerating the Saudis.

    6. Re:he did it on my dime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He sounds like a lot of the poor republicans I've talked to. They'll talk about the nasty tax and spend liberals, then 5 minutes later talk about getting as much out of the government as they can.

    7. Re:he did it on my dime by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Here is a deal, no more pork and you get treated like everybody fucking else.

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    8. Re:he did it on my dime by DinDaddy · · Score: 1

      How about you get California's deal. We'll take you down to the 45% of land owned by the federal government that we have, but you only get 65% of the money back that you put pay in taxes.

      How many New York seconds to take that one?

    9. Re:he did it on my dime by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      So Ted Stevens played a huge role in developing Alaska on my dime. I don't need to laud him for that.

      Of course you don't, because you're on the losing side of that zero-sum game. If you were an Alaskan, though, might you vote for him? Sure, you might feel dirty. It might be hard to sleep at night. But that bed of money would make the sleeping easier.

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    10. Re:he did it on my dime by CaptPungent · · Score: 1
      Hahaha, California is 45% owned by the Fed too and yet they get less than what they pay into the Fed per taxes. Where is their cut?

      As a taxpayer in IL I'm frankly insulted by the attitude of AK that they deserve that money. My state is equal to CA in getting less than we pay into the Fed in tax money, so honestly my taxes are subsidizing your state directly. Why should I pay for that? Why should CA be almost half owned by the Fed also and have to pay for your state?

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    11. Re:he did it on my dime by marnues · · Score: 1

      You are correct in that it is not a fee for services. It is not a redistribution of wealth though, because with taxes it was not your money to begin with. That is the money society has determined belongs to everyone. If you don't like it you can become a subsistence farmer. We don't support them because they actually do support themselves. Just don't expect a quality of life. That requires reliance on ours.

    12. Re:he did it on my dime by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      That is the money society has determined belongs to everyone.

      You're combining a slippery slope with mob rule. This rationale justifies communism, which is always enforced with violence and death.

      If you don't like it you can become a subsistence farmer.

      In which jurisdiction can I be a subsistence farmer not subject to taxation?

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    13. Re:he did it on my dime by andrewd18 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, so? That's why they're called 'taxes', not 'fees for service'. It's a redistribution of wealth, metered out by politicians for favors.

      Fixed.

    14. Re:he did it on my dime by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 1

      "Thanks, but I'd rather see a steady hand on the controls even if some of y'all think it's a dead one"

      Yes, and hopefully that strong, steady hand could keep all the trains running on time too. And when that steady hand arrives at some arbitrary decision that affects you -- like, I don't know, telling you what you can and can't do with your own body, or what food crops you can grow on your own property for private consumption -- well, just remember, it's all for the greater good.

          - AJ

    15. Re:he did it on my dime by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 1

      Hey, you'll get no argument from me. The whole federal-ownership-of-land deal to me is pretty bizarro. The guys who wrote the constitution clearly never intended the federal government to own ANY land, except for dockyards, military bases and other "needful buildings." And even then, those places must be purchased. And even THEN, only with the consent of the state legislature.

      Now, you can say, "But it's a GOOD thing that the government do X" -- in this case, X being, for example, protecting national parks. That's fine, as long as you understand you're making an outcomes-based judgement. A libertarian would reply "Yes, but in the bigger picture, the government shouldn't have the freedom to do things based simply on whether some people think they're a good idea or not. Historically, that's been a surefire recipe for tyranny. The government should be constrained by rules, and do things based on due process and the rule of law. If we all agree something is a good idea, then we should write it into the constitution."

      That happens to be my position as well.

            - Alaska Jack

    16. Re:he did it on my dime by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 1

      Here's the thing.

      The Federal government bought the land. All of it. And you are angry you only got 40% of it for free?

      And now somehow you think it all should be given to you?

      One handout wasn't enough for you, eh?

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    17. Re:he did it on my dime by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Thank you for volunteering your editing services. I wish Slashdot allowed comment editing.

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  22. Two Years? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She's going to run against a Republican incumbent? That should be entertaining.

    1. Re:Two Years? by FleaPlus · · Score: 1

      She's going to run against a Republican incumbent? That should be entertaining.

      That's how she got her current job. Coincidentally, in the gubernatorial race she ran against Frank Murkowski, the father of Lisa Murkowski, who she'd be running against for the Senate seat. The charge of the nepotism of Murkowski picking Murkowski for the Senate was one of the things Palin ran on in her gubernatorial race.

  23. Stock tip by PPH · · Score: 1

    Buy Cisco. Sell tubing manufacturers.

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  24. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by saforrest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean it's actually possible to be more of a socialist for Alaska than Ted Stevens?!

    You do know that to be an actual socialist (as opposed to a cable-news caricature of one), you have to do more than just spend bucketloads of money on any random thing, right?

  25. Re:Funny how recounts work by gutter · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is neither surprising nor unusual.

    For a number of reasons provisional and absentee ballots have historically tended to favor democrats. These include the tendency for the poor & the elderly to vote democratic, as well as democratic voter outreach programs that focus on absentee ballots to lock in the vote early.

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  26. Lack of comprehension strikes again! by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's probably too early to tell what this means for Internet regulation, but at least there's a > 0 chance that the next committee chair will understand something about the Net."

    While this is certainly true, his failure of reelection has nothing whatsoever to do with any committee chairmanship, since the Democrats control the committee chairmanships in both House and Senate, and they weren't going to pick a Republican no matter what the result of the Alaska Senatorial race.

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    1. Re:Lack of comprehension strikes again! by winwar · · Score: 1

      "...since the Democrats control the committee chairmanships in both House and Senate, and they weren't going to pick a Republican no matter what the result of the Alaska Senatorial race."

      No, but he would have been on the committee as the top ranking Republican. Which means he could have still done his job (bring pork home). Do you really think he was ineffective all the other times the party wasn't in control?

      You ought to learn a little about how Congress works, or doesn't :)

    2. Re:Lack of comprehension strikes again! by Nate+Eldredge · · Score: 1

      Not only would Stevens not be the chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation in the new (111th) Congress, he hasn't been since early 2007. After the 2006 elections, when the Democrats took over the Senate, Daniel Inouye (D-HI) took over that chair, and presumably will continue to hold it through the 111th Congress since his party remains in power. Stevens is currently not even the ranking minority member of the committee; that title is held by Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX). He does still have a seat on the committee, though. AFAIK that seat will be taken over by another Republican senator, not by Begich. Begich could get appointed to one of the committee's majority seats, but as a freshman senator he's not likely to get anything very juicy.

      Whether or not Inouye, Hutchison or Begich "understands something about the Net," I do not know. But in any case, that sentence in the story was certainly irrelevant, just an excuse to get in a cheap "series of tubes" dig.

  27. Did you mistake this site for Digg? by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 1

    Did you mistake this site for Digg?

    1. Re:Did you mistake this site for Digg? by maxume · · Score: 1

      K5.

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  28. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by D'Sphitz · · Score: 1

    Yeah because there's so many black republicans. Blacks overwhelmingly vote democrat poindexter, regardless of the candidates skin color.

  29. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    It's as if there is a whole army of nutjobs waiting in the wings for an Obama victory just to be able to post the same message on every thread even tangentially related to politics.

  30. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by deniable · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm sure this troll will get boring over the next four years.

  31. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, and if only those damned white people hadn't voted for him too!!

    If only >51% had voted McCain, we'd have some other president-elect!

    This post brought to you by a white man who seriously does not give a shit what color his current corrupt political representative is on the outside.

  32. pay 'em by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    And it's not fair that after your decades of able public service, your buddies on K Street are all filthy rich while you make a tenth of what they do

    I can definitely understand why a public servant would think that...that's why I advocate paying all of them alot more.

    How about somewhere in the neighborhood of $5 million a year for president? Can you name one single more important job in America (or hell the world)? CEO's make hundreds of millions of dollars...we need to adequately compensate the President so that other, lower ranks can be raised (no one in the gov't can make more than the prez)

    Everyone from president on down to your local cop and teach should make more...even your E-1 (lowest rank) military need a healthy (50% plus much better tuition assistance at least) raise.

    I'm a liberal, but that doesn't mean I hate the free market. The free market is a reality of our system and it only makes sense to use that to our advantage.

    If all public servants made significantly more money, we would have a renaissance in those seeking employment.

    I can speak from personal and second hand experience that many, many talented and service minded people forgo public service because with things like student loans, etc. it just isn't a financially solvent path.

    This idea has plenty of historical president...the Mandarins in China for example.

    It's all about incentives...we should REWARD those who desire to serve...pay 'em what they're worth

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    1. Re:pay 'em by able1234au · · Score: 1

      I think Singapore has the highest paid President but its not $5m Given that Bill Clinton made some massive amount last year ($100m?) i think once you are president you are set for life with benefits and pensions that will see you living high on the hog. Besides many of them have been millionaires before they are president. The attraction of politics is power, not money. Usually money follows. Power corrupts and that is the problem.

  33. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I won't 100% disagree with you on this one, but remember correlation != causation. How can you be sure that the majority of people that voted for McCain aren't simply rich, white republicans? Maybe there's statically lower number of rich, black republicans, and that was one of the more overwhelming factors for them voting Obama. It is a known fact that people tend to vote for people that are most like them. I'm sure you would find, for example, that the percentage of woman that would have voted for Hilary Clinton would have been particularly high.

  34. Re:Funny how recounts work by Hooded+One · · Score: 1

    Except that all of the results so far in those races have been from the first count. Nice try, though!

  35. Well, a certain village in Alaska still has its... by sethstorm · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...governor. Now it will have it for a while longer.

    The only shame is that this will be an end to the "series of tubes" jokes.

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  36. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 1

    I'm not saying the Democrats are perfect on civil rights, but dedication to civil rights seems to be much more of a liberal issue (witness right-wing attacks on the ACLU).

    I disagree... civil rights isn't an issue for either side. They'll pay it lip service when politically expedient, but neither side gives a damn about our individual rights.

  37. Re:Funny how recounts work by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 1

    Why did you even post the first half of your post when it's obvious that you knew that it wasn't a recount?

  38. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by viscus · · Score: 1

    Democrat != socialist. Democrats are really center-right, when you get down to it.

  39. Re:Funny how recounts work by hplus · · Score: 1

    Honestly, it's because I typed the first half of my post, then thought "wait a second, there's no way that a recount could have been completed so soon" and looked up the status of it. The first half of the post still applies, however, despite it not being an actual recount. As I noted, the closeness of the race ensures that many more people will be observing the count, which makes it significantly more difficult to fraudulently alter the results of the election. Rereading my post, I shouldn't have assumed that others would be able to follow my train of thought based on what I'd written.

  40. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by rrhal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What does this rant have to do with Ted Stevens? He lost because during his trial a large number of Alaskans thought he looked like a lying politician. The people who voted early (during the trial) overwhelmingly voted for Begich.

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  41. Somewhere in Alaska, there is a disappointed by cwcpetech · · Score: 1

    ...governor. Now it will have one for a while longer. The only shame is that this will be an end to the "series of tubes" jokes.

    ...governor and I forget who it is.

    How true, it's a shame that someone had mod points to knock it and the next post down.
    Now the series of tubes will be replaced by a series of tubular shaped bars.

    (Score:1, Flamebait)

    I guess someone wanted "Disagree" and thought that was the replacement.

  42. I'm pretty sure he could be by XanC · · Score: 1

    Presidents (well, Ford at least) have issued full and unconditional pardons for any acts that may have been committed.

    1. Re:I'm pretty sure he could be by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      So did Poppa Bush for reagan and all his henchmen. While reagan was not directly pardoned, Poppa bush had earlier stopped all investigations into this.

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  43. It's a democratic process, right ? by thrill12 · · Score: 1

    Then there is nothing sad about it. I know that I will not find it in any way sore to lose a fair and competetive *democratic* election (from experience - although it was not any political election). Neither should Stevens.
    But of course, we know that (very) few politicians tend to get "power hungry" after a while. And very few also get a bit "money hungry". It is the fate of someone detached from the real world for a long while that he gets sensitive to these kinds of things. This is what Stevens did not evade, and this is why he lost - twice. This should say enough about this person. Yes, there are shades of grey and black and purple and who knows what, but some things are very clear, and anyone can understand the words: 'corrupt' and 'politician' put together in one sentence.

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  44. Well, a certain village in Alaska still has its... by edgedmurasame · · Score: 1
    ...supporters.

    (Score:..., Flamebait)

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  45. Re:Well, a certain village in Alaska still has its by XanC · · Score: 1

    The only shame is that this will be an end to the "series of tubes" jokes.

    Hi, you must be new here. Welcome to Slashdot!

  46. Re:Well, a certain village in Alaska still has its by edgedmurasame · · Score: 1

    No, this person is. Besides, that person's been there for ages on /.

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  47. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by hairyfeet · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Uh Hillary lost because she was a bitch,and I don't mean female. Most saw her as a headline grabbing,what do the polls say I should be for/against this week bitch. So sorry Mr. Troll,but Hillary didn't lose because she was white. She lost because her negative rating was through the roof. Hillary Clinton has always seemed to be one of those whom you either think is the greatest thing since sliced bread,or a super giant megabitch. Whereas Obama just didn't have all the negative baggage being drug behind him that Hillary did. So if you want to make this about race you might want to pick something to make your point OTHER than Hillary Clinton,because frankly I know more than enough whites that can't stand her to know if it would have been her against McSame we would be having Bush part III.

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  48. Are you sure about that? by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#Vote_totals

    The original House version:[9]

            * Democratic Party: 152-96 (61%-39%)
            * Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)

    The Senate version:[9]

            * Democratic Party: 46-21 (69%-31%)
            * Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)

    The Senate version, voted on by the House:[9]

            * Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
            * Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)

    See also 1968

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    1. Re:Are you sure about that? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Informative

      Oh christ not this shit again.

      Who signed the CRA into law? A Democrat.

      Where did most of the Democrats go in 1964 AFTER the vote on the CRA? The Republican side.

      What wing of what party ended segregation as per Newt Gingrich? Liberal Democrats.

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    2. Re:Are you sure about that? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      And then all those Southern Democrats felt so betrayed that a Democratic President signed the CRA into law that hey defected to the Republicans. Forty years is a long time and things have changed.

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    3. Re:Are you sure about that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you need to reach back 40 years to find something positive a party has done for civil rights, isn't that saying more about what that party isn't doing than what it is doing?

      I am not saying that the Dems are superior on this issue in all respects. However, in this day and age it is the loud Republicans that you see out there bludgeoning civil rights with religion.

    4. Re:Are you sure about that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that the current Republican party is nothing like it was in 64, right? Perhaps being in power for so long has a... deletrious effect on any party.

      I'd believe it.

    5. Re:Are you sure about that? by goldmaneye · · Score: 3, Informative

      You seem to have forgotten a very important part of the article you are quoting:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964#By_party_and_region

      By party and region

      Note : "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

      The original House version:

      * Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)

      * Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

      * Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)

      * Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

      The Senate version:

      * Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)

      * Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)

      * Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)

      * Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

      The vote was more along the lines of North/South (as defined in the article) than Democrat/Republican. Almost all of the Southern legislators voted against the act. It only appears that Democrats were more opposed to the measure (in terms of percentages) than Republicans because, to that point in time, Democrats had always had a stronger showing in Southern elections than Republicans.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party#Civil_War.2C_Reconstruction.2C_and_the_Gilded_Age:_1854-1896

      That the South votes more heavily Republican is a recent phenomenon, dating to the Civil Rights act.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Democratic_Party#The_Johnson_Years:_1963.E2.80.931968

    6. Re:Are you sure about that? by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 2, Informative

      The parent is right, and in defense of the great-grand-parent, the democratic and republicans parties are not the same ones right now as they were in the 1964.

      On signing the CRA, Johnson is said to have remarked, "There goes the south for a generation." As the parent said, most of the dixiecrats like Strom Thurmond defected to the Republican side after this. The notable exception was Byrd, who repented his racism, but the majority of his electorate apparently did not. Up until 2008, if you looked at the electoral map, the south voted republican. The reason for this is that republicans became adept at playing on fears of southern whites, pioneered by Nixon in his "the southern strategy" (I'm not making this shit up, it's right there in the first sentence of the wiki). I say up until 2008, because this year majorities in Virginia and North Carolina voted democratic.

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    7. Re:Are you sure about that? by zippthorne · · Score: 0, Troll

      Has it occurred to you that there haven't been any prominent, obviously named, "civil rights bills" passed since then which also happen to have wikipedia articles and voting breakdown by party?

      Show me some recent votes that support your claim of "Rs were good then, but have changed now"

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    8. Re:Are you sure about that? by jpbelang · · Score: 2, Informative

      You stopped quoting when if gets interesting.

      By party and region

      Note : "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

      The original House version:

              * Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
              * Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

              * Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
              * Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

      The Senate version:

              * Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
              * Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
              * Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
              * Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

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    9. Re:Are you sure about that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then all those Southern Democrats felt so betrayed that a Democratic President signed the CRA into law that hey defected to the Republicans. Forty years is a long time and things have changed.

      Yeah... things changed so much that those Southern Democrats are defecting back into being Democrats again.

      Barack Obama won in North Carolina and Virginia. He must be a racist, according to your logic.

    10. Re:Are you sure about that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hole story is a little more nuanced than that, the GOP looks good because they are under-represented in the south:
      The original House version:
              * Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
              * Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)
              * Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
              * Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)
      The Senate version:
              * Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%)
              * Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%)
              * Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2W%)
              * Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%)

      Seems to me that all this says is that constituents in the south opposed it and in the north supported it, politicians voted in accordance with their constituents' views.

    11. Re:Are you sure about that? by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      I know I'm feeding the troll, but I can't help myself. As I said, 40 years is a long time... The south is not as racist as it once was.

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    12. Re:Are you sure about that? by Monsuco · · Score: 1

      Where did most of the Democrats go in 1964 AFTER the vote on the CRA? The Republican side.

      The south went conservative after Goldwater ran on a solidly fiscally conservative platform. Goldwater was never a racist, he supported the NAACP and also supported civil rights legislation at state level (true, he did vote against the Civil Rights Act, but this was due to him feeling it was unconstitutional, not due to support for discrimination). Goldwater lost in a landslide elsewhere (except his home state of Arazona) because fiscally conservative policies like that had never been seen before and would have been a very radical and rapid shift from our current policies at the time. The South would be solidified as a GOP stronghold, not by race, but by Reagan, who was both morally and fiscally conservative. (Goldwater was actually morally liberal).

    13. Re:Are you sure about that? by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 1

      Right, but it's really those old school dixiecrats who are the racists anymore in the Republican party. Otherwise there would've been a huge tear in the party when Colin Powell and Condi Rice both got the position of Sec of State. There wasn't.

      what exists now isn't RACISM, it's just IGNORANCE of how race plays out in our modern society.

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    14. Re:Are you sure about that? by Darby · · Score: 1

      The South would be solidified as a GOP stronghold, not by race, but by Reagan, who was both morally and fiscally conservative. (Goldwater was actually morally liberal)

      Wow.

      The fiscally conservative Goldwater was resoundingly defeated by the fascist Reagan. You know, Reagan, the guy who beat FDRs record for the growth of the government? Reagan was not conservative in any way shape or form. He was a record big spender, and socially he was a religious radical.

      That's what "conservative" means now, but please do not piss all over the memory of Barry Goldwater who was actually a decent guy with a respect for this country by comparing him to that piece of shit Reagan. It's truly disgusting.

    15. Re:Are you sure about that? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      It's occurred to me that you're a sophist. You've been smacked down half a dozen times for your selective quoting, but let me point something else out to you, and it's called the Southern Strategy. Google it. All the old racist Democrats from the south became Republicans.

      How about you try and find an issue where Republicans have recently stood up for any rights not covered by the 2nd amendment. Abortion? Nope. Gay rights? Nope. Voting rights? Nope. Free speech? Habeas corpus? Nope. 4th, 5th and 6th amendment rights? Nope, nope and nope.

  49. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by Idiomatick · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    maybe he doesn't want his right to beat black athiest communist gays as they enter the country while wearing ghost outfits and claiming it was a terrorist taken away from him.

  50. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by BountyX · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Republicans arn't the same party platform as people who remember what republicanism really means. It has changed gears. Libertarian is a better description for "classic" republican idealogy.

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  51. Obligatory..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    I guess you can say that his political career has "gone down the tubes".

    (I'm truly sorry. I just could not resist the urge to make that joke.....)

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  52. Angels Don't Play This HAARP; Advances in Tesla Te by sanso999 · · Score: 1

    Nick Begich is his brother, having written the book about the HAARP array (or whatever you call it) and their famous father disappeared in a plane crash over Alaska. So you have this well known family up there which is very cool. Yes, I am a sucker for anyone who I have heard on the radio, but I am not an American, so I can't vote based on my silliness.

  53. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rights wise, I really, really can't trust Democrats. :)

    Are you fucking kidding me? Have you been sleeping through the last 40 years?

  54. Poor Sarah by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Informative

    She'll just have to comfort herself with her book deal.

    "Look at the elegance of the hand-tooled leather binding," said the Conservative Book Club, "the archival quality acid-free paper! Every copy will also come with a set of 100% all-American-made red, white and blue crayons to color it in."

    Despite Palin's failure to secure the groups that McCain strategists hoped she might deliver - women, independent voters, suburbanites, those with ten fingers - her supporters insisted that she should not be blamed for McCain's shortcomings or Bush's failures. "It were all the fault o' them Muslin terr'ists," said political commentator Joe the Plumber.

    Current projections show Palin taking 95% of 25% of the electorate. "I was against the bank bailout from the first," said Palin. "Lookit the rekerd. It was this governor, not that one! You betcha!"

    *shudder*

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    1. Re:Poor Sarah by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 0, Troll

      Excellent show of bipartisanship! It's great to see that the election's sexism and ignorance are of the past and that we've moved ahead as a nation. Keep up the good work!

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    2. Re:Poor Sarah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, not informative! notnews.today.com

  55. He's The Man! by CranberryKing · · Score: 1
    Check out his site or his most recent interview on bblc.tv about human chipping. His older ones are about H.A.A.R.P.

    Believe it!

  56. More accurate headline by Legion303 · · Score: 1

    Convicted Felon Ted Stevens Fails to be Re-Elected in Alaska

  57. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The man's a republican, and he deserves to be judged by the GOP definition of socialism: taking my money and giving it to someone else. Stevens has been enormously successful at taking money from us in the lower 48 states and giving it to Alaska; ergo: socialist. If you want to be more literal about it, he's taking tax money from wealthy Contiguous US billionaires and distributing it to working class Alaskans.

  58. Re:Funny how recounts work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a simple reason for this, though - the last votes to get counted are absentee ballots, other early votes, and the like - and democrats are for some reason more likely to use those ways of voting.

  59. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Reminds me of my dear departed bolshie Uncle Ivan. Ivan wasn't really a communist, although he was a socialist by inclination. The reason could never be a communist was that more than anything else, he was a cynic.

    "Kid," Ivan used to say, "nobody believes in socialism. Nobody believes in capitalism either. It's socialism for me, capitalism for you."

    Wherever he is, he's been reading the newspapers the last couple of months and laughing his ass off.

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  61. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't feed the trolls. As in, don't reply to them, because then it takes more mod points to make the troll's thread dissapear.

  62. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by AppyPappy · · Score: 1

    How could a Republican chair a committee when the Democrats control the Senate?

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  63. Republicans get off easy again by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Provided Stevens doesn't ask for a recount, and accepts defeat, the republicans won't have to hold the vote that they postponed yesterday regarding his status as a senator. This time they can just let the people dismiss their convict friend from the US Senate for them.

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    1. Re:Republicans get off easy again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please explain William Jefferson, D, who had $90,000 cash in his freezer, and why Pelosi hasn't tried to schedule a vote to throw him out of congress.

    2. Re:Republicans get off easy again by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Please explain William Jefferson, D, who had $90,000 cash in his freezer, and why Pelosi hasn't tried to schedule a vote to throw him out of congress.

      I believe you are talking about this William Jefferson. If you read up on the case, you'll find that his trial has not yet begun. By contrast, Ted Stevens is a convicted felon.

      There is no comparison between the two with the Jefferson trial still upcoming.

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    3. Re:Republicans get off easy again by strech · · Score: 1

      Jefferson (D-Icebox) is rather embarrassing (particularly in that he did survive re-election), but to be fair he hasn't been convicted yet. Pelosi and the Dems should expel him as soon as he inevitably is.

  64. Consider the dates... by ovu · · Score: 0, Troll

    Perhaps the Republican party of 1964 is not the same as in 2008? Those stats are laudable. However, party value systems change over time, and the GOP has been pretty shameless about its current priorities while in power.

  65. Re:Funny how recounts work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering that nearly a third of the ballots - many of them from Begich-leaning districts - were not included in the first official count, I'd go with (b).

    Lots of info here, from a relatively well-respected source: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/label/alaska

    Also, provisional and questioned ballots tend to favor Democrats, for a number of reasons - here's an analysis of why Dems tend to pick up votes in a recount:

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/frankens-odds-of-winning-recount-may-be.html

  66. Re:Funny how recounts work by strech · · Score: 1

    Well, this wasn't a recount, it was a count of absentee and early votes. Given the amount Republican candidates overperformed on Election Day in Alaska (probably Democrats stayed home with the election decided and Begich with a strong polling lead) and the better Democratic Early Voting turnout this year, the switch isn't too surprising.

    The Franken/Coleman race hasn't been recounted, and corrections of the vote have gone both ways (it went slightly back towards Coleman recently).

    And recounts usually go slightly Democratic because they:
    1) Are hand counts, and therefore run into fewer undervotes and overvotes than scan machines; undervotes and overvotes are more common among less affluent, Democratic voters.
    2) Later counts (recounts or otherwise) are the first to deal with provisional ballots, which are more common among less affluent voters, and also first time voters (which are also heavily democratic this year).

  67. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    As opposed to 2004, where only 88% of black voters went for the Democrat. Or 2000, where only 90% of them did.

    Curse those 5% extra racist black voters! I'm sure 5% of 11% of the voters swung the race...that's 1.1% of the vote! I'm sure that vastly outnumbered the amount of racist white voters who voted against Obama because of his skin color.

    Of course, since 2004, the Republicans let a majorly-black American city drown, but I'm sure that didn't have anything to do with the 5% of blacks that switched sides. (Surely if that had pissed people off, the 2006 election would have been a landslide for Democrats, and that didn't happen. Wait, I've been informed that did happen, silly me.)

    Now to explain the huge percent shift in the under 30 vote. Perhaps many of them are secretly black. Or perhaps they're just sick and fucking tired of Republicans ruining their future.

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  68. Re:Funny how recounts work by DragonWriter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Notice how the WA governor race before, the Franken/Coleman race, and now this race, with each recount the vote gets closer and closer, until the Democrats decide there's no more need for recounts (when THEIR side wins).

    The only of those races in which a recount was completed is the WA governor's race. The progressive tightening of this race and the Franken/Coleman race in which a recount was triggered (but has not been done yet) was the completion of the first count. Election night returns -- even that include 100% of precincts -- do not usually include 100% of the vote from each of those precincts. Various ballots (provisional ballots, absentee ballots that arrive on the day of the election, possibly early/absentee ballots in general depending on local procedures) require additional verification that prevents them from being counted until after the in-person ballots cast on election day. For a number of reasons, its not uncommon for these ballots to be more favorable to Democrats in general, and those trends may have been reinforced in this election where there were lots of new Democratic voters and a big effort by the Obama campaign to get people to vote early, so the initial election night count (which isn't a full count of all ballots cast in the election) of many races was less favorable to Democrats than the full count.

  69. Re:Funny how recounts work by bfields · · Score: 1

    Well, even in a pure recount it's possible that machine-unreadable ballots may occur with slightly higher numbers in districts that lean one way or another. And when they're finally counted it's likely that the uncounted ballots will on average tend to be resolved to votes that lean in the same direction as the district they're in. So the difference between the original count and the recount may not just be random noise, it might give an advantage to one side or the other.

    The uneven distribution of problematic ballots could be because the quality of voting machines or election workers varies somehow, or could be demographics (e.g. ballots from older voters, or younger voters, or new voters, might on average have slightly higher error rates than others).

    Normally you'd expect these effects to be too small to matter, but in a race like say Minnesota, where the difference between candidates is about a hundredth of a percent, they might decide the election.

  70. Re:Funny how recounts work by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

    Well, even in a pure recount it's possible that machine-unreadable ballots may occur with slightly higher numbers in districts that lean one way or another.

    Actually, machine unreadable ballots occur in significantly higher numbers in precincts that lean Democratic, particularly in heavily minority districts; this is pretty much true nationwide.

  71. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by default+luser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to agree entirely. Hilary lost because she insisted on being in the spotlight for years leading up the the campaign; this is the main reason her supporters and haters were so divided. The problem with this was, all the usual campaign hand-waiving and distractions can't change the mind of voters who made up their minds years before.

    She lost my vote early on when she revealed her true colors as a censorship machine. First she tried to to censor video games for violence at the federal level (thankfully, it failed to garner support). Then she promised if elected that she would protect us from computer-generated porn and violence.

    Sure, this got her the over-protective mom vote, but the rest of the rational people in this country realized how stupid this all was. A person with this kind of "censor everything" agenda would only grab for more if you gave an inch. It was more than enough for me to vote against her.

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  72. Re:Funny how recounts work by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    This wasn't a recount in Alaska, and it's not a recount in WA either, ya moron. It's the count.

    As for why they both headed Democratic, it's because they're counting absentee ballots and absentee ballots tend to lean Democratic.

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  73. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ummm... it wasn't "overwhelmingly". A large percentage (46%) of people evidently are not paying attention OR are hard core party line voters.

    Your comment suggests he isn't a "lying politician". The guy giving the gifts testified against him. You'd think he knows what was going on huh?

    Go sull up somewhere else hoss. I hear RushIsRight.com is looking for people to cry with.

  74. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

    Or the republicans who decided pornography and medical marijuana were among the top priorities at the DOJ? Those republicans? Or the republicans who were basically 100% for the PATRIOT act, gutting FISA..

    You were doing pretty well at showing the inferiority of Republicans to Democrats, until you listed those things. The Democrats are in strong agreement with Republicans on those issues. The Democrats vote to outlaw porn, they vote to outlaw drugs, they voted for PATRIOT, and the voted for the FISA amendment. The Republicans suck, but I assure you, if you are an American, the Democrats are your enemy also.

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  75. Re:Funny how recounts work by deathy_epl+ccs · · Score: 1

    Fair enough... but thankfully, the gap has widened enough that there is no automatic recount - if they want a recount, either the Republicans or Stevens will have to pay for it out of pocket.

    I somehow doubt the Republicans are going to want to do anything but cover their own tails right now.

    Of course, this is Alaska... sometimes I find myself stunned by the odd political maneuvering we can get here.

  76. Oh wow by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    that is a pretty darn good idea. Hmmmm. I wonder if Rove would out W.? From the ppl that I know, that knows him, it sounds like he and W are the most spineless of them all.

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  77. do you also drink Drano for a sore throat? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    Term limits are a cure that is worse than the disease. If a politician knows he has only so many years left in office, he'll be looking for his next career. And what's going to help him get a better career: doing the people's business, or selling the people out to the wealthy and the powerful?

    Term limits wont eliminate the Ted Stevens or the Duke Cunninghams - it'll get them started earlier.

  78. "experience" by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    It was a Republican argument of convenience, but I repeat myself. Before Palin was nominated, even Republican hacks like Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan treated the possibility as a joke. Or just look at Karl Rove's comments on mayor/governors when he thought Obama might pick Tim Kaine of Virginia:

    With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years, he's been able but undistinguished," Rove said. "I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America."

    Rove continued: "So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States? What I'm concerned about is, can he bring me the electoral votes of the state of Virginia, the 13 electoral votes in Virginia?

    Consistency: the mortal enemy of Republicans.

  79. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by Uberbah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have to agree entirely. Hilary lost because she insisted on being in the spotlight for years leading up the the campaign; this is the main reason her supporters and haters were so divided.

    No. The #1 reason she lost was her support of the Iraq war and refusal to apologize for it. If she had opposed the war from the beginning like Obama, she would have had the blowout victory on Super Tuesday that she was expecting.

    But she still could have had this in the bag if she and her team weren't so damned arrogant. They completely ignored the caucus states, which was how Obama sealed the deal with his 11 state shutout in February. They went all in on a one-two punch with Iowa and New Hampshire and thought Super Tuesday would seal the deal.

    She lost my vote early on when she revealed her true colors as a censorship machine.

    Flag burning. Don't forget the flag burning. But she's not so much a censorship machine as a pandering machine.

  80. Re:To Be, or not To Be... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    You were doing pretty well at showing the inferiority of Republicans to Democrats, until you listed those things.

    Nope, he's still doing fine.

    Some Democrats are in strong agreement with Republicans on those issues. Some Democrats vote to outlaw porn, they vote to outlaw drugs, they voted for PATRIOT, and the voted for the FISA amendment.

    Fixed that for you. Many Dems should be tossed out of office (Reid, Pelosi, Hoyer, Rockefeller), but it's better to have a partly rotten party than a 100% rotten party.

  81. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by rrhal · · Score: 2
    Hillary lost because she completely underestmated Obama. She thought her connections with the Democratic Machine in the primaries would be unbeatable. Obama's ability to form a grass roots organization that delivered his supporters in huge numbers to caucuses and registered new voters in primaries was unprecidented. The only thing like it was McGovern's 1972 campaign - and in that one the Machine was split. Make no mistake Hillary Clinton would beat John McCain by about the same margin

    $crying_on_election night =~ s/black people/white lesbians/gi;

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  82. You are pathetic, and should do the world a favor: by rts008 · · Score: 1

    I would suggest any two of the following for you:
    1. castration by way of a bench vise @one turn per hour
    2. HALO jump from 15,000 feet with a bandanna for a 'chute
    3. skinny-dipping with piranhas
    4. 'snake charming' a nest of vipers with bagpipes

    Racism is so last century.

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  83. Re:fuq by sunnyflorida · · Score: 1

    William Jefferson D-New Orleans AKA the cold cash democrat was re-elected by a wide margin.

  84. Re:Anti-White Racism in the Afro Community by sunnyflorida · · Score: 0

    Obama got roughly 95% of the black vote. His third largest block by percentage were Jews, 80%, But the second largest block, 90%, were Jew haters. So go figure. Somebody is going to be quite surprised.

  85. Re:You are pathetic, and should do the world a fav by Adriax · · Score: 1

    4. 'snake charming' a nest of vipers with bagpipes
     
    That's an AWESOME mental image. A scottish snake charmer.

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  86. Re:fuq by CorporateSuit · · Score: 1

    hey retards : ted stevens (republican) hasn't chaired a committee since 2004.

    Stevens chaired the Senate Appropriations Committee from 1997 to 2005, except for the 18 months when Democrats controlled the chamber. The chairmanship gave Stevens considerable influence among fellow Senators, who relied on him for home-state project funds. Due to Republican Party rules that limited committee chairmanships to six years, Stevens gave up the Appropriations gavel at the start of the 109th Congress, in January 2005. He chaired the United States Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation during the 109th Congress.

    Herp Derp

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