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Google Chrome OEM Strategy To Take On IE

ruphus13 writes "In an effort to take on IE and make strong headway in its share of the browser market, Google is taking a page out of Microsoft's playbook and working on deals with PC OEMs to include Chrome in their devices. From the article: '[Google] is likely to pursue deals with major original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) to put Chrome on their computers and devices. ... If Mozilla could get aggressive about this too, we could see Internet Explorer facing more serious competition than ever. ... Google, much more so than Mozilla, has enough global brand recognition, money, and savvy to make a big deal of this. ... Microsoft wooed Dell, Compaq, HP, Gateway, Acer and many other companies into making its browser the default choice on Windows desktops. Chrome currently has just under one percent market share, according to NetApplications. That number could rise significantly through this effort. Mozilla doesn't have the kind of money required to get the significant deals in this space, but Google definitely does.'"

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  1. Will it really matter ? by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Chrome isn't ready for prime time ... not a good idea at this point.

    Why not just get them to include firefox and google apps, giving something of more perceived value?

    1. Re:Will it really matter ? by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I bet it will be by the time any deal get's done and there ready to start putting it in there process.

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    2. Re:Will it really matter ? by ITEric · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I use Chrome all of the time. I like it really well, and it's only getting better. The problem is, Google seems to keep their apps in perpetual beta. What OEM is going to want to install a beta on all of their equipment?

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    3. Re:Will it really matter ? by hplus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the biggest effect this will have will be raising people awareness that other browsers exist. Didn't Opera report seeing a bump in their download numbers after Chrome came out?

    4. Re:Will it really matter ? by Kagura · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I used Chrome for two weeks straight and got used to it. However, once I switched back to Firefox, it was such a vast improvement I cannot begin to describe it. Even Firefox's omnibar is better at finding 'partial' URLs than Chrome's, and that's unforgivable considering how highly they were touting it.

      Other posters are right. Chrome should not be dealing with OEMs to root out IE. It should be Firefox.

    5. Re:Will it really matter ? by blind+biker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Chrome isn't ready for prime time

      I think it is ready. I use Chrome exclusively on my laptops. It started out of curiosity, but now I am used to it, and it renders all the pages and shows all the videos I need it to. And it's fast.

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    6. Re:Will it really matter ? by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Other posters are right. Chrome should not be dealing with OEMs to root out IE. It should be Firefox.

      Apparently you don't quite understand the concept of competition. There isn't always "The Big Guy" and "One Underdog". Why should Firefox be the only one allowed to compete?

    7. Re:Will it really matter ? by hclewk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Chrome isn't ready for prime time

      Agreed. It's quite interesting that it is still loads better than IE, though.

    8. Re:Will it really matter ? by Kagura · · Score: 2, Informative

      Last I checked there was IE, Firefox, Opera, Konquerer, Chrome, Mosaic... plenty of browsers out there. But as far as rooting out IE goes, wouldn't you want the "best browser" to be the one to do it? I happen to think Firefox is more polished and far, far better supported on the "add-on" side of things, so I want that to be the one that other people switch to.

      If you have switched to what you believe to be a better alternative but other people have not yet, isn't it normal to want to try and improve their situations, as well?

    9. Re:Will it really matter ? by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But as far as rooting out IE goes, wouldn't you want the "best browser" to be the one to do it?

      Obviously. The part where I disagree is which one is the best. You already know which one you want, so you can choose just fine. Let the other browsers compete at getting chosen by those that haven't decided.

    10. Re:Will it really matter ? by abigor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately, ActiveX is extremely common in corporate intranets, making it the one and only mandated browser for corporate use in a lot of places.

    11. Re:Will it really matter ? by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I bet it will be by the time any deal get's done and there ready to start putting it in there (sic) process.

      Firefox and Opera aren't standing still ...

    12. Re:Will it really matter ? by ciaohound · · Score: 4, Funny

      But will they still call it beta?

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    13. Re:Will it really matter ? by Kagura · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Who does the choosing? Some people using IE don't care which browser they use, yet I still think they would benefit from switching to another. Don't you? Getting an OEM to go with a particular browser is how we make the choice for some people as to which browser they use.

    14. Re:Will it really matter ? by cp.tar · · Score: 4, Funny

      But will they still call it beta?

      Uncertain. I don't know how Google's "permanent beta" policy would fly with Windows' "our beta is alpha, our RC is beta, and our SP1 is what we should have released".

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    15. Re:Will it really matter ? by Kagura · · Score: 2, Informative

      Chrome should not be dealing with OEMs to root out IE. It should be Firefox.

      I said that. It means I wish it were Firefox in this story on Slashdot instead of Chrome. It doesn't mean that I think Google Chrome should be banned from going near an OEM for negotiations, and it doesn't mean that I think the only option should be Firefox. Is that what this whole thread was about, GigaplexNZ? ;)

    16. Re:Will it really matter ? by walt-sjc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Chrome doesn't have adblock, and probably never will. Extensions are king, and firefox has that mindshare. Linkify, Greasemonkey, noscript, webdeveloper, firebug, etc.

      I played with Chrome for about an hour and then removed it. It's a pretty horrible experience after firefox which makes it a rather pointless web browser.

    17. Re:Will it really matter ? by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Informative

      However have you checked Chromes Developers tools imbedded in it. They are comparable (not the same) to firebug. As well many of the other controls only appeal to geeks, or people who for some reason doesn't want to follow web standards created past 1994. I would use Chrome if it was available for the Mac. It is faster then Firefox and a more basic UI

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    18. Re:Will it really matter ? by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have not wavered in my support for clown computing.

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    19. Re:Will it really matter ? by psychodelicacy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I installed Chrome, and forced myself to use nothing else for a week just to give it a fair try. Since then, I've not used anything else. I love the layout and the functionality - the way it uses tabs, and the fact that one tab crashing doesn't crash the whole browser, is great. Sounds like I'm in a minority, though. Ah well.

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    20. Re:Will it really matter ? by kkwst2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I personally agree (I couldn't live without Foxmarks, Adblock, etc), I'm not sure that the internet horde cares that much about extensions. I mean, I work with a lot of smart people (physicians) who have no clue what an extension is and don't really care.

      I'd be curious what percentage of Firefox users actually use extensions. I would not be surprised if a quick, simple browser that loads ALL your web pages correctly would appeal to the majority of users.

    21. Re:Will it really matter ? by olego · · Score: 2, Insightful

      To be honest, government websites in the US aren't that much better, in terms of browser cross-compatibility.

    22. Re:Will it really matter ? by MrMarket · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I use chrome for web apps like pandora, gmail and google reader. The application shortcut feature works nicely for these; it gives you the web app in an window without all the browser navigation crap.

    23. Re:Will it really matter ? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the REAL reason that Google is pushing Chrome instead of Firefox can be summed up in one word: Adblock. I am sure that Ads being blocked in pretty much every FF out there can't be making them too happy. If I was in charge at Mozilla i would be trying to make a deal with one of the smaller OEMs, maybe Acer and Asus to start, and offer them a "branded" FF that had links to the companies website in the default bookmarks. And if they really wanted to kick some ass they would have Adblock Plus and ForecastFox installed by default and set to go at first run. Simply ask them for their country and zip code to set up the extensions.

      Because working PC repair I have been installing FF with Adblock Plus and ForecastFox installed on the menubar and to hear my customers talk that is just the greatest thing since sliced bread. The LOVE not getting anymore stupid in your face ads and having the 3 day forecast sitting in a bar at the top with a little pop up with the current weather at startup is just the coolest damn thing to hear them talk. Of course I also point out that it is a safety feature, since it will pop up a warning when there is a severe weather alert in their area. I have heard nothing but compliments on that feature.

      But I really doubt that we'll be seeing Google pushing Firefox, or really doing much of anything with Firefox except paying for the default search rights, thanks to Adblock Plus. While they will continue paying for those simply because it would be foolish to give up a 20% browser share to MSFT or Yahoo, Adblock Plus means many of their ads simply won't reach the majority of FF users. because if you go to recommended add ons which IIRC is sorted by most popular you will see that Adblock Plus is always near the top. According to Mozilla 331,002 downloads this week were for Adblock Plus. So that is 331K Mozilla users that won't be seeing their adsense ads this week, and that of course doesn't count all those that have download Adblock Plus in the past. So I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Google trying to push Chrome, not because they think it has a better chance of beating IE, but because unlike FF you can't easily block ads in Chrome. And since ads are their bread and butter who can blame them.

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    24. Re:Will it really matter ? by mixmatch · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hmmm...
      IE crashes - 1,380,000 Results.
      Firefox crashes - 630,000 Results.
      Safari crashes - 1,110,000 Results.
      What planet are you living on?

    25. Re:Will it really matter ? by basicio · · Score: 2, Informative
    26. Re:Will it really matter ? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But we know that the download count really don't mean squat. Hell I have no less than 5 different versions of FF sitting in my download folder. Does that mean I am 5 people? No, it means that their auto updater kinda sucks on my connection and I also grab the latest version when I get ready to burn my "handy dandy freeware CD" which I hand out to customers. I am also sure that Adblock is getting under counted, unless that includes updates. because I grab a copy of Adblock about once every 6 months and use that on my installer CD and simply let the customer update when they get it home. after all I have all the Windows updates on CD and FF is quick to update extensions when you launch it, so why bother plugging their PC into the Internet?

      But whether we quibble over the install numbers or not doesn't matter. What matters I'm sure to Google is that ANY blocking of ads is bad, since it will be their ads that are getting blocked! And let us not forget the FF is still spread very much by word of mouth. And what do you see on every forum and discussion where FF is mentioned or browsers are talked about? "Get Firefox and Adblock" or "Opera isn't as nice because it doesn't have Adblock". Even in this article we had posts about how someone tried Chrome but went back because of Adblock. You pretty much never hear Firefox mentioned without the word Adblock ending up in the conversation.

      So whether Adblock is on most, or just a percentage is really moot. because if you worked for Google and went to look up information about Firefox you wouldn't get very far without seeing post after post mentioning Adblock. And like I said, for Google ANY Adblocking is bad, since every Adblocker out there blocks Google Adsense ads. So it really is in Google's best interests to play up Chrome.

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    27. Re:Will it really matter ? by rdnetto · · Score: 2, Informative

      Chrome doesn't have adblock, and probably never will. Extensions are king, and firefox has that mindshare.

      Chrome is still in beta, and Google has stated that they plan to implement an plug-in API later. It's very likely that many of the major Firefox plug-ins will be ported to Chrome.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_chrome#Extensions

      Besides, Chrome was built with stability and performance in mind, not functionality. That's why it doesn't have RSS support (yet).

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    28. Re:Will it really matter ? by the_B0fh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was in two minds about it, until I typed:

      about:plugins

      and the first line said - ActiveX

      then I said no thank you, and moved on.

    29. Re:Will it really matter ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In Safari's defence, I'm sure half those million+ results are in regards to land rovers hitting elephants and other African fauna.

    30. Re:Will it really matter ? by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's quite interesting that it is still loads better than IE, though.

      You've got IE to LOAD?

    31. Re:Will it really matter ? by MatB · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've found a fair number of friends are using FX with no extensions. When I've found this, I've recommended in the past they switch to Opera, as out of the box it's better than Fx. Now I'm pushing Chrome at them.

      For thee and me, Fx is better as it does lots of extras. We're power users, spending a lot of time online, building sites, etc. A large number of Fx users don't use a single extension, and the majority of users still use IE.

      Which is better for my grandma--IE, Fx with no extensions, or Chrome?
      I suggest Chrome.

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    32. Re:Will it really matter ? by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've found a fair number of friends are using FX with no extensions. When I've found this, I've recommended in the past they switch to Opera, as out of the box it's better than Fx. Now I'm pushing Chrome at them.

      Wouldn't it have been easier to just show them the menu item for add-ons, and let them play around a bit?

    33. Re:Will it really matter ? by tobiasly · · Score: 2, Funny

      I bet it will be by the time any deal get's done and there ready to start putting it in there (sic) process.

      Y'know, when a post contains at least three spelling/grammatical errors, and you decide to call attention to only one of them, it makes you look just as uninformed as the OP.

    34. Re:Will it really matter ? by the_B0fh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Firefox's 20% seems to be doing fairly well *without* ActiveX.

      And this is a bullshit reason - ActiveX is a fucking piece of shit from a security point of view. Why would any sane person want to support it if they were not forced into it? With websites now working well with FireFox and understanding that being standards compliant is a good thing, we are now moving back into the "All the world is IE"?

      And they call themselves non-evil?!

      Mucking Forons, all who support ActiveX in Chrome.

  2. Microsoft will play hardball by D-Cypell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sounds great in principal but hasn't the problem always been that Microsoft counters action like this by telling the manufacturers that if they ship competing software they will lose their OEM discounts for Windows? I am not completely up to date will the anti-trust judgements against Microsoft but assuming that this counter-attack hasn't been legally ruled out already, can't we expect Microsoft to do the same here?

    1. Re:Microsoft will play hardball by geekoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think Google is large enough make doing that embarrassing to MS, and get the attention of the Attorney general.

      Hell, maybe they want MS to get some anti-trust investigation against MS.

      Google doesn't need MS, at all. They have nothing to fear from them.

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    2. Re:Microsoft will play hardball by Provocateur · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Hey! There can only be one monopoly, and that is us! Your Honor? Hello?"

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  3. Firefox actually seems to be better known by deft · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think more people know what firefox is, as the "browser that works better and has less viruses" to the general public.

      Mozilla is relatively unknown to people outside of our little slashosphere.

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    1. Re:Firefox actually seems to be better known by risk+one · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think this is going to play havoc on people's understanding of the internet. Most people already think IE is the internet, but at least they knew that google was a thing on the internet. Now Google is going to be another internet that looks like a sort of three-colored button, next to the old internet that looks like a blue "e", and on both you can have Google, but you can't have the blue e on the Google internet.

      Expect some calls from confused family members, people.

  4. Television Ads by erroneus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That will be the ONLY thing to get the public to understand that the world is forced to break the web in order to look right for MSIE. Furthermore, a coordinated effort needs to be made to unite web developers to stop supporting Microsoft's intentional breaking of web standards.

    "Get the Facts: The W3C is the organization that defines how the world wide web is supposed to work and every web browser maker tries to remain adherent to standards so that the internet runs smoothely... that is everyone except Microsoft with its billion-dollar-budget of programmers that somehow can't get it right."

    I would find it interesting what Microsoft would tell the public in response to that. "We are Microsoft and we define the standards?"

    1. Re:Television Ads by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You didn't say how the W3C doesn't define the standards. You don't say how they aren't valid. There are lots of controlling and regulating bodies that are not elected by the people. While you attempt to paint a grim picture by grouping the W3C in with two other organizations that aren't exactly shining examples of effectiveness or moral integrity, I'd have to protest the tactic on the grounds that it simply fails to disprove or invalidate my comment directly. Furthermore, you indicate how ICANN is out for its own gain, but not the other two. It would have been more interesting, however, if you managed to include ISO in the mix...

    2. Re:Television Ads by grcumb · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The W3C wasn't exactly voted into power by the people.

      No, not exactly.

      But as an industry consortium representing (and composed of) most of the major online companies and a number of other interested institutions, they have as democratic a mandate as any standards body I've seen.

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  5. Or rather by Kamokazi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Microsoft wooed Dell, Compaq, HP, Gateway, Acer and many other companies into making its browser the default choice on Windows desktops."

    Or rather, they just didn't install a second browser at all, since the only browser kinda HAS to be the default. I really doubt much wooing was involved.

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    1. Re:Or rather by somersault · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly, that was possibly the low point of the summaries I've seen today. If anything, they woo hardware manufacturers to install their whole frickin OS as the default choice, and if there was no browser in Windows it make initial setup of new PCs (especially for home users) a lot more awkward. I'd rather they included their own brand browser than none at all. If they restricted the installation of any other kind of browser, that's when I'd take issue.

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  6. Google by El+Lobo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Last computer I bough came with Google toolbar, Google Earth and google Picassa installed. Last time I downloaded IrfanView, it came with Google toolbar bundled. When mu girlfriend (yes I DO have one) downloaded Adobe reader, it installed the freaking toolbar again... What's happening with this world? What's next, Apple installing Safari bundled with iTunes? oh wait...

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    1. Re:Google by iamhigh · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Last computer I bough came with Google toolbar, Google Earth and google Picassa installed. Last time I downloaded IrfanView, it came with Google toolbar bundled. When mu girlfriend (yes I DO have one) downloaded Adobe reader, it installed the freaking toolbar again... What's happening with this world? What's next, Apple installing Safari bundled with iTunes? oh wait...

      I'll one up you with Java Runtime Enviro wanting to downloand and install a FUCKING OFFICE PRODUCTIVITY SUITE! I respect pushing OOo, but that's fucking absurd.

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    2. Re:Google by jesterzog · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been playing with InstallShield lately for work-related things, which is one of the (if not 'the') major product for creating Windows Installer MSI files.

      One of InstallShield's currently promoted features (search down that page for "Value-added services") is the ability to set a flag which will cause the installer you create to install the Yahoo Toolbar with your program, reported so that your company can "generate new revenue streams".

      I suppose that in this case, rather than try to go to all of the software vendors and try to convince them to include its product, Yahoo simply decided it'd be easier to go to the company with the product that makes installers for most of them. And now Acresso (the InstallShield company) suddenly has an interest in trying to make a piece of annoying nag-ware seem like an extra piece of commercialised junk (which pays them money) is as valuable addition for all the Windows software authors out there to include.

  7. Google may be afraid of Ad Blockers by nulled · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remember, that without the browser, Google is nothing. Without ADs, Google is nothing. (unless they start to sell and market other things besides ads) So, I view this browser situation as a 2 edged sword. On one end, defining a new standard in high quality browsers, coupled with GEARS and a super fast Javascript engine, could usher in Javascript games, AJAX apps and so much more. This would, without a doubt grow Google AD revenued. However, on the other edge of the sword is the fear of the AD Blocker add on, that will no doubt block a lot of google ad revenue. The browser, which google depends, could turn into it's worse enemy. We have already seen this with Firefox's ad blocking add on. Some argue, that only savvy internet users activate it. however, if you use Ubuntu, the add on is installed by default. A way to ensure Google does not jeapordize their AD revenues is key. I think that would be pretty easy to get around, technologically speaking. Maybe that is why Google is not putting more resources into Chrome???

    1. Re:Google may be afraid of Ad Blockers by martinw89 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I use Ubuntu. I've been using Ubuntu since Edgy (2006) and have Intrepid on 3 computers right now, and Hardy on 2 others. I've installed it many times for myself, and more than a couple times for friends and family. It does not come with an ad blocker by default.

      Unless, for some odd reason, you're including Firefox's pop-up blocker as an ad-blocker.

  8. Planning by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Chrome isn't ready for prime time ... not a good idea at this point.

    You don't, usually, start working on how you are going to distribute a product after you know it is ready for the market. You work on what you need to do to secure the distribution channels you want to have while you are getting the product ready, so when it is ready, those will be in place.

    Presumably, Google has an idea of where it wants Chrome to go and a plan to get it there. If it doesn't then, sure, this discussion of OEM deals may be premature, but you certainly can't conclude that from the fact (which I certainly don't dispute, though I use Chrome for almost all of my home browsing now) that Chrome isn't ready today to be most people's sole browser.

    1. Re:Planning by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Chrome would be ready for our primetime if it supported plugins.

      Google could also offer a choice between Firefox and Chrome, or even install both to let the user experiment with which one they like best).

      Google would win either way since Google and Mozilla already have a strategic alliance lasting until 2011 and both browsers have already integrated Google search, and I don't think Joe user wouldn't mind having them both given that he's already used to bundleware from the OEMs.

      Suppose that the OEMs bundle Chrome in as the default browser and by some miracle Chrome's browser share replaces IE's overnight. People who knew only IE would still have to view each and every ad. They've given in to the fact that all ads must be seen, but they'll still be grateful that Chrome is cleaner, faster, and safer than their alternative was.

      As for the rest of us, Google, where the hell are the plugins?!

  9. Good by burndive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google is being an innovator in this field at the moment, and so I'm glad that they're positioned to get more "default" marketshare via OEMs.

    It will push Microsoft to innovate with their own browser in order to keep their search engine hits up.

    One feature that I expect to see in the release version of Chrome is video chat. They released a plug-in to make Firefox compatible with their Google Talk chat's new video feature, but I'm betting that functionality will come built-in to Chrome.

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  10. Fix it first by br00tus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I agree. I can't print documents without a header and footer (I can with Firefox, or even IE). I can't block images like with Firefox. There are things I like about Chrome, like that one tab acting funny or crashing does not affect the other tabs, or the downloading interface it has, or that it remembers my most frequently trafficked pages and makes that as my start page, or that I can move tabs around, or that new tabs expand locally etc. But I hate having to use multiple browsers just to block images, or print a page, or whatever.

    Another ironic thing is, they create a browser so that Microsoft can't monopolize the viewing experience of the Google web page, but then they only release it on Microsoft's OS. I am typing at the moment in a Seamonkey browser on my Gnewsense (RMS-approved Ubuntu fork) box, if Chrome was released on Linux, maybe I'd be using it instead.

  11. How about a Page from Firefox: Features. by guidryp · · Score: 2, Informative

    How about making it usable first. Let me know when there are plug ins. Specifically Flashblock. No flashblock, no browser.

  12. And IE is? by Xtifr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Chrome isn't ready for prime time

    And IE is? :)

  13. Google's taking lessons from Cypress Hill! by sexybomber · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Punk [playaz] bailin' every time that I use Chrome" - Cypress Hill, "Till Death Comes"

    Granted, B-Real is talking about firearms here, but good for Google. It'd be interesting to see browser usage stats on machines that ship with both IE and Chrome preinstalled, although it wouldn't surprise me to see IE retain a majority share, just on name recognition alone.

  14. If it ain't broke don't fix it by westlake · · Score: 3, Interesting
    With a change in the political winds and a new adminstration, it's entirely plausible that Google is gunning to restart anti-trust litigation.

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    --- and heading into what could be a very deep recession, I don't expect to see the new administration all gung-ho and ready to move against one of the bare handful of US industrials that is actually showing a pulse, paying dividends, a company with strong export sales and a AAA credit rating.

    1. Re:If it ain't broke don't fix it by FlyingBishop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You assume that Google is run by money-grubbing whores interested in a monopoly. It's not. They really do produce products so good that no one can compete with them. And the people who work there work there for that reason. They don't work there for money (there's certainly plenty of it) and I see no reason to believe they work there for their shareholders (they have no reason to, they're doing just fine as it is.) If that changes, sure, that might be a problem. But I think that many of the people at Google would pack up and leave if it began defending its monopoly the way MS has. And they'd take their source with them, and we'd all be the better for it.

      I see no evidence of anti-competitive behavior on Google's part, and until we see anything, the DoJ wouldn't have a case.

      On the other hand, they control most of my sources of evidence.

      Fuck.

    2. Re:If it ain't broke don't fix it by dontmakemethink · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Since when is Microsoft an industrial company? They employ more lawyers than programmers!

      I've caught heat here for posting that without published confirmation, but if you include the staff of their outsourced legal on top of their in-house legal, it vastly outnumbers their in-house programming staff. How much outsourced programming staff could they have when they employ legal to bully 3rd party hardware companies to develop drivers for their new OS's?

      Case in point, did it take more programmers to develop OOXML than it took lawyers to get the standard approved?

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  15. History lesson by mattytee · · Score: 5, Informative

    How is this insightful? Have we really forgotten the early 90s already?

    Being the "old guy," I'll teach you some history. Netscape was THE browser for the first iteration of Windows 95. NO browser was bundled OR part of the OS, although AOL was often preinstalled. (I'm not sure you'd call that...thing that came with it a browser.) Basically everyone who used a browser ran Netscape (some ran Mosaic).

    Then IE 3 came out (like most Microsoft software, versions 1 and 2 were too shoddy for actual use by human beings, even end users).

    Microsoft made IE free to "compete" with Netscape. It still wasn't bundled with the OS until Windows 95 OSR 2.1 -- although it was installed along with Office and other MS apps. But you didn't HAVE to have IE on a Win95 system. That started with Windows 98.

    Here's the thing: Netscape Navigator was then made free also, and it WAS bundled on many a PC maker's system. It's true Microsoft didn't *woo* anybody -- threats were more like it. Doesn't anybody remember the whole first antitrust thing?

    1. Re:History lesson by David+Gerard · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One thing that seems to have been lost to the mists of time: IE 4 and IE 5 were functionally better browsers than Netscape 4. Their rendering was much nicer and they didn't crash nearly as often.

      I wanted to use Netscape instead of IE. But it was such a hideous piece of shit that it was actually worse than IE.

      I started running test builds and bug-reporting on Mozilla around mid-2000. Not because it was good, it wasn't, but because it was important. Thankfully it finally became good around 0.9.1.

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  16. Google will target embedded applications by wiredlogic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd bet that Google is looking to target embedded platforms that will need a lightweight browser in ROM. This would include things like cell phones/PDAs, netbooks, notebooks with a pre-boot environment, etc. This is what Chrome was designed for from the start.

    The biggest killer app of them all is television. Over the next few years, The US has an impending mass uptake of new, higher resolution televisions that are suitable for web browsing and other text dominant internet activities. We already have a selection of set-top boxes and game consoles to provide usable internet functions on TV. Internet enabled televisions will become commonplace in the not too distant future. These will be the products of choice for aging, wealthy, and (relatively) technologically illiterate boomers.

    If Google can get its foot in the door to that and other embedded markets then they can compete without having to face MS directly. I expect that MS will not be able to revamp Pocket IE to make it capable enough to be a viable competitor to Chrome on a platform where a web browser has to have all the bells and whistles to satisfy users.

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  17. "Beta" by RudeIota · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Considering Chrome will be in beta for the next two decades, I would like to believe that would complicate OEM deals.

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  18. Dont Get it by BountyX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seems kinda odd that google would donate 85 million dollars to mozilla foundation, then turn around and push their own browser. Sounds like they are not playing to win, but instead, playing to make ms lose.

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  19. Googleology by Serious+Callers+Only · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Safari's defence, I'm sure half those million+ results are in regards to land rovers hitting elephants and other African fauna.

    863,000 +safari +crashes
    728,000 +safari +crashes -elephant
    697,000 +safari +crashes -elephant -lions
    655,000 +safari +crashes -elephant -lions -banana

    Apparently, there are many crashes involving elephants and lions which have been mistakenly added to these results. Also, it appears at least 40,000 crashes involved bananas - this warrants further investigation.

  20. On the contrary by alcmaeon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Considering Chrome has less than 1% adoption compared to IE's 70% or so adoption, and it has been out less than a year compared to IE decade or so, I would say having half the result of IE is positively abysmal.

  21. Industrial by definition by westlake · · Score: 2, Informative
    Since when is Microsoft an industrial company?

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    Since services like S&P began to define it as an industrial.

    The six AAA rated industrial companies are Automatic Data Processing, Exxon Mobil Corporation, General Electric, Johnson & Johnson, Pfizer Inc and Microsoft. In the early 1980s, there were more than 30 industrial companies with 'AAA' ratings. Microsoft joins select industrial club with S&P's AAA rating

    S&P defines and tracks the performance of dozens of sub-sectors in the economy: Standard & Poors (S&P) Sector Indexes

    S&P doesn't care if Spacely Space Sprockets employs only one visible engineer or technician. It doesn't even care what a sprocket is - or does - beyond a general sense of how it is produced and distributed and the role it plays in the economy.

    They employ more lawyers than programmers!

    More on a janitorial as well. Big Whoop.

    Microsoft employs 94,000 people. It owns or leases 677 sites world-wide, 29 million square feet of real estate. It has subsidiaries in every country from A to Z. The programmer is never going to dominate the headcount in an organization that operates on such a scale. Fast Facts About Microsoft

    How much outsourced programming staff could they have when they employ legal to bully 3rd party hardware companies to develop drivers for their new OS's?

    Dear lord, spare me this.

    You do not have to bully anyone to produce drivers for the OS that has 90% of your potential market - and Apple has a lock on damn near 10% of what remains.