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Virtual Peace Sim Game Based On America's Army

fortapocalypse writes "Duke University in collaboration with Virtual Heroes (who created America's Army) has produced a game called Virtual Peace, the intention of which is to help the gamer develop disaster relief and conflict resolution skills. Virtual Peace also is the winner of the HASTAC/MacArthur Digital Media and Learning Competition, according to an article published by the university."

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  1. I don't know by oldspewey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I just don't see a lot of mass appeal for a game that involves handing out disaster-relief supplies or carefully negotiating power-sharing deals in shaky democracies.

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    1. Re:I don't know by crossmr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Global political simulator? I think it does all right.
      There were also some rts games made by a german company that involved environmental cleanup. I'm not sure how those did but they looked interesting.

    2. Re:I don't know by qoncept · · Score: 3, Funny

      Thank you for finding the PC way of saying what I was thinking. The best I could come up with is "this is the worst fucking idea for a game I've ever heard."

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    3. Re:I don't know by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Funny

      I just can't see staying up until four in the morning to get the last of that bottled water to Indonesia... Next year they come out with "Checkbook Simulator" and Virtual Dishwashing!"

    4. Re:I don't know by MicktheMech · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I just checked out the video on the site. It's as lame as it sounds.

    5. Re:I don't know by DeadDecoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That really depends on the game mechanics. If it's fun, then the core idea can be whatever it needs to be. If you think about it, games with initially odd concepts have performed well: Sim City (or any of the Sim Series), the Tycoon series, Pheonix Wright, Eco, Katamari Damacy, Sonic. Not every game needs to be pigeone-holed into RTS or FPS to be fun. It's just easier for publishers to make the safe bet.

    6. Re:I don't know by batquux · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, it's not. It's much, much worse.

    7. Re:I don't know by R2.0 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But the ones you listed don't have an overt propaganda mission (ok, "educational aim"). This is "Make Learning Fun"! - which generally isn't a very good way to teach.

      If they wanted to actually get their point across, make it an expansion module to America's Army where you get promoted to a position that actually needs these skills to win the game. Think Petraeus in Iraq.

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    8. Re:I don't know by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You haven't heard of the smash hit "The Sims"? It's been done, and people loved it.

    9. Re:I don't know by stuntpope · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't believe it's intended as video game entertainment. It's an educational simulation to train people who may need to devise disaster response policy. Players run through the simulation, make certain choices, and then they all engage in an after-action review session to check the appropriateness, or effectiveness, of their choices.

    10. Re:I don't know by jamboarder · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "But the ones you listed don't have an overt propaganda mission...

      ...make it an expansion module to America's Army..."

      I hope this took you at least several hours to write because it's difficult to imagine the two thoughts occurred within within seconds or minutes of each other...

    11. Re:I don't know by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 2, Funny

      Global political simulator? I think it does all right.
      There were also some rts games made by a german company that involved environmental cleanup. I'm not sure how those did but they looked interesting.

      Careful though: historically, Germans have poor judgment when it comes to determining what constitutes an "environmental cleanup".

      Meh, the joke is all right, but could use a little work.

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    12. Re:I don't know by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm guessing you were never in Model UN in high school

      That's the thing that even chess club nerds are embarrassed to be associated with, right?

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    13. Re:I don't know by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Funny

      Model U.N.? That has to be the coolest idea I can think of! Not only that, but it would be tons of fun and give important life lessons. Kids could learn important lessons about graft, hypocrisy, corruption, incompetence, dishonesty, even the sex slave trade if your district can afford the Congo program. Reenacting the "Food for Oil" scandal could give us enough corrupt bureaucrats and influence-grubbing politicians for the next generation!

      Issuing finger-wagging resolutions that threatening nothing worse than more finger wagging!

      Putting vicious tyrants in charge of watchdogging human rights!

      Exploit rich countries for the their money and power, then undermine them at every turn to the advantage of petty dictatorships!

      Spread communist philosophy, erode traditional values, promote sexual perversion, subvert justice and help expedite the fall of civilization!

      In the model U.N. you could learn the lessons of a lifetime as you enjoy role-playing an arrogant but incompetent paper-pusher growing rich on kickbacks. Who wouldn't want that?!

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    14. Re:I don't know by CroDragn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought it sounded like an interesting idea. I mean, think about how boring city zoning can be, then look at what SimCity made out of it. Sadly, from watching the video on the site it appears the "game" is little more than a replacement for a meeting room. Rather than actually get a group of students in a single room and explore the issues, you get students to move their avatar into a single room and explore the issues via headset. Essentially, it's a completely useless bit of technology that sets out to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

  2. I Played as the US... by vjmurphy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I played as the US in the Katrina emergency so that I could eat Cheetos and surf the web instead of helping anyone. After a few in-game days, I transferred some water to the survivors and attempted to blame everyone else.

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    1. Re:I Played as the US... by Lookin4Trouble · · Score: 2, Informative

      I see what you did there, a crack at FEMA. Bloody brilliant, if not entirely rooted in fact.

      I'm pretty sure there's folks who were on the ground on day one who would disagree with you, including myself (No, I do not work for FEMA, but I am a Federal Employee, and made the trip down as soon as it became apparent that things were worse than expected). That said, I won't resort to calling your post flamebait, or anything else of the sort, even though I agree it is disappointing that certain executive officials may not have necessarily respond with the alacrity that the situation called for. In the meantime, please don't downplay the role myself and other volunteers played in search and rescue operations, as well as recovery efforts in the months after (both physical and economic).

      Thanks

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    2. Re:I Played as the US... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I played the Mayor of New Orleans and got bonus points for doing nothing and blaming the POTUS instead of myself, the Parish President, or the State Governor. I got even more points for taking in billions of dollars and letting most of it get wasted in corruption and graft!

    3. Re:I Played as the US... by jameskojiro · · Score: 2

      I played as the United States during the Indonesian Earthquake and actually played the same way you did during Katrina and everyone blamed me.

      I played again and this time provided relief and everyone still bitched and complained about the US.

      I then sent "relief aid" to the rest of the world in the form of C-4 wrapped around Pu235.

      No one bitched about the US after that.

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  3. Get used to hearing it... by Doc,+the+Weasel · · Score: 4, Funny

    I need to mobilize the National Guard and send food to the affected areas... "Spawn more Overlords!"

  4. That's fine but... by Marc+Desrochers · · Score: 2, Funny

    What about PvP?

    1. Re:That's fine but... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Informative

      You might be joking; but selective apportionment of resources is actually a very, very powerful political tool. You see elements of it in the politicized civil service appointments of virtually any nation(or the selective use of aid to advance policy objectives); but the real deal usually involves some tinpot president for life seeing to it that his voters get to eat and the other guy's voters get to starve.

  5. Re:Reality Check by tthomas48 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Um... Cuban Missile Crisis? Just first thing that popped into my head. There have been a couple times in the past when conflict resolution skills have come in handy.

  6. Idea isn't necessarily bad by CannonballHead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The idea itself isn't necessarily a bad one. Not all games have to be violent, and 'fun' computer games can be had without violence, sex, or comedy.

    That said, it's the gameplay that makes it work or not work. It sounds like this one is going to be a flop (not to mention it sounds rather politically motivated, another thing that can potentially ruin a game...)

  7. Conflict resolution by BigGar' · · Score: 5, Funny

    America's Army teaches conflict resolution.
    By killing all those that disagree with you, you resolve the conflict.

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  8. Expansion pack for America's Army... by Vexler · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...will be checking to see whether your avatar has served in the Virtual Peace Corps before deciding to let you join.

  9. Watch out by SnarfQuest · · Score: 3, Funny

    While flying supplies into the outback, we were shot down by the kangaroos anti-aircraft fire.

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  10. Video Game to Develop Skills? by TheLazySci-FiAuthor · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...The creators must have taken their notes from this http://www.somethingawful.com/d/photoshop-phriday/video-game-skills.php

  11. Video goodness by Triv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a video up on the referenced website, and it's freakin' hilarious - there are 20-30 kids seated at computers and wearing headsets and playing around in a virtual world, completely ignoring the fact that, if they took the computers away, they'd be sitting in a room with 19-29 other students who could easily pose the same arguments and take on the same personalities IN PERSON. It's called Model UN, and it's been going on in high schools for at least a decade. The selling feature of this thing looks to be that it's happening in a virtual world that looks sorta like the conference rooms in the real world where decisions were made about Hurricane Mitch, and that you can make your avatars look like the real-life politicians involved.

    The internet is not and should never be a replacement for exercising an imagination. I can't help but shake the feeling that somebody needed to justify a shiny new computer lab and this is what they came up with.

    1. Re:Video goodness by Caity · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think that the selling point is that the kids don't all have to be in the same room.

      I did a software platform for a similar project back in 1998. The impetus for taking it online was that universities from all over the world would take part in the scenarios, which generally ran for a couple of months. The only example mentioned on the site is that in 2005 it was Macquarie University in Australia and the University of Texas taking part. At other times they've done it with the American University in Cairo, other schools in America and a few other Australian universities.

      So yes, there may have been 30 kids all in the same room taking part, but there were probably another 15 kids sitting in another room a very long way away. There is no way all those kids could afford to be in the same place for the duration.

  12. Re:Forging Peace. by Kent+Recal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Uh huh. Thanks for reminding us that the bible has a retarded quote for just about everything.

  13. Re:Reality Check by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, heroism is going from ordinary to extraordinary. Going from scumbag to ordinary is reform.

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  14. I'm working on a new game by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm calling it "Oil For Food".....

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  15. It's a sim, not a game by Eil · · Score: 2, Informative

    Before you get all excited, note that this doesn't appear to be a game at all as the summary implies. ("Editors on crack" alert.)

    Instead, it looks like it's just a simulator with one scenario that's used as an educational aid in one class at Duke University. It's not available for download. I don't even know why it's a .org domain. From what I can tell, the site explains this Virtual Peace in a very vague manner and appears to just a way for those involved in the development to get their big faces on the web (and probably in print).

  16. This is an undergraduate course at Duke University by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's like saying flight simulators are boring because you can't shoot the other planes.

    This "game" is a simulator used to help train our potential, future world leaders how to resolve conflicts without resorting to the type of diplomacy typified in America's Army.

    You will also notice there is no way to download this "game." It seems this is part of the course curriculum, as the private area of the website points out.

    Sure, it may be more fun to blow someone's head off with a sawed-off shotgun, but really, would you do it for real, just for fun?

  17. Another great quote by Ben Franklin... by Tetsujin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "I am Ben Franklin! Master of sex and Voodoo!" - Benjamin Franklin

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  18. Who is going to shoot the looters? by jameskojiro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When handing out relief supplies in devastated areas, who is going to be shooting the lowlife scum looters?

    I propose an add on module for online gamers to join as either looters or people who shoot looters.

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  19. This is a little disturbing. by k1e0x · · Score: 4, Informative

    America's Army was known to be a "reciting tool" intended to show kids how "cool" being a grunt in the infantry is.

    In light of current politics, there is something on the "to do" list for the major players in government, and it's called National Service. Obama, McCain, Clinton and Bush all supported this and they have been using careful wording to sugar coat what is basically forced government conscription.

    Rep. Rahm Emanuel Obama's choice for chief of staff wrote a book called "Big Ideas for America" where he writes. (emphasis added)

    It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be *asked to serve* their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service.

    Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs. ..

    Some Republicans will squeal about individual freedom..

    On one hand, they say this is voluntary.. Groups like "Service Nation" that had a big rally in New York attended by McCain and Obama on, yep.. you guessed it 9/11 to exploit the date to promote their plan, they *claim* it will be a persons choice.. However if "Some Republicans will squeal about individual freedom" As Rahm says.. then he is clearly NOT planing for this to be voluntary.

    I have no indication of it.. but I wonder if this game is, like America's Army, propaganda in order to convince people that "National Slavery" is a good thing and they they should love working for their masters in government.

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  20. Re:This is an undergraduate course at Duke Univers by Kattspya · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why the hell do you think I joined the military, to get college money?

  21. Re:Reality Check by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 3, Informative

    Germany was OK with the peace terms imposed on it after WWII but not with the peace terms imposed after WWI: hence, dramatically different results.

    I'd be careful with that. The outcomes of those two wars were vastly different even before peace terms. In WWI German soil wasn't even touched before the surrender, which then led to the sentiment that they got a raw deal. In WWII their cities were pounded to rubble, their men killed, their streets filled with enemy soldiers, and their government evaporated. It was very, very clear that they had soundly lost the war this time around.

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  22. Re:Reality Check by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Informative

    Stanislav Petrov saved your life in 1983.

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  23. Re:Reality Check by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In particular, the conflict resolution skills of Vasiliy Arkhipov, who, on 27th October 1962, resolved a conflict aboard the submarine B-59 over whether to launch a nuclear torpedo against the USS Randolph battle group, which was dropping depth charges at the time. Had that debate gone the other way a Soviet nuclear weapon would have detonated off the Cuban coast, destroying a dozen American warships, at the very height of Cold War paranoia and tension. The outcome would not have been pleasant.

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  24. Depends how you like to play... one group has fun! by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's as lame as it sounds.

    Yep, that's unbelievably lame to most people, but some people are going to have fun. There exists a subset of the population that will be intensely serious (perhaps even obsessive/compulsive) about carrying out these virtual negotions. You've seen them in other online games before... the people for whom the game becomes their reality, and they are so dedicated they don't eat or sleep in the real world.

    However, that's not the group I was referring to when I said some people are going to have fun. That group is going to be tortured. The group that is going to have fun is the group that LOVES to mock the serious gamers, screw around in negotiations and generally tick people off. Essentially, they'll be the Leroy Jenkins of Virtual Peace.

    For those that haven't seen the World of Warcraft video about Leroy Jenkins, here is a link. Listen to the square in the background being all serious, carefully planning out this raid as though it somehow matters or has significance in life. Then you've got ANOTHER loon in the background doing "number crunching" and calculating their odds of success to ridiculous significant figures. They're the first group. Then along comes Leroy, member of the second group. I think it's pretty obvious who was having fun, and who was being tortured as their carefully ordered virtual life was messed with. Leroy is going to have a good time in here :D.

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