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Technical Specs Released For Aussie Net Filtering

smallkathryn writes "Technical specifications have just been released for the Australian net filtering trial. The trial, which aims to prove that ISP-level filtering is a viable way to stop 'unwanted content' from reaching users, will go live on 24 December. The trial will involve ISPs choosing a commercially available hardware filter from an internet content filter (ICF) vendor, adding it to their networks, then loading the blacklist of unwanted sites. Still no indication of how peer-to-peer information will be addressed."

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  1. Encryption by vvaduva · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the time to invest in and bring to market an encryption product to the masses in Australia. What would stop a US company from selling cheap VPN tunnels to end users down under?

    1. Re:Encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What would stop a US company from selling cheap VPN tunnels to end users down under?

      Not a damn thing. Which is one of the primary reasons why this whole thing is such a stupid pointless waste of time and money.

    2. Re:Encryption by Tovok7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Nothing. There already is a Swedish offering: https://www.relakks.com/?cid=gb

    3. Re:Encryption by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As someone who watches the success of botnets despite widespread efforts to blacklist trojan servers (by URL, IP, subnets...), I'd say when a group of zealous, dedicated and passionate people fighting malware can't even gain a foot, a group of underpaid, usually underfunded and undermotivated public officials won't really succeed either.

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  2. Dangerous by Eravnrekaree · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I do not believe any government should censor speech. This sort of technology is ripe for abuse. There will probably be sites which "accidently" are filtered, maybe sites with unpopular political views, or legal material, such as adult pornography. As well, this sets dangerous precedents as well, that government has a right to censor things. It could set a dangerous precedent for censoring things we all agree should not be censored, like pornography of consenting adults and unpopular (communist, marxist, etc) political views.

    1. Re:Dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      They're already adding otherwise legal sites to the blacklist. From the second link:

      One of the more recent concerns over the blacklist is its extension from 1,300 sites to 11,300 sites containing "objectionable material", the content of which has not been made clear. The only details that have been divulged about them is that pro-euthanasia and pro-anorexia sites will be included on the blacklist.

  3. Unwanted? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    then loading the blacklist of unwanted sites.

    Obviously someone wants these sites, else there would be no need to blacklist them.

    1. Re:Unwanted? by 77Punker · · Score: 3, Funny

      then loading the blacklist of unwanted sites.

      Obviously someone wants these sites, else there would be no need to blacklist them.

      What about the majority of the videos on Youtube?

    2. Re:Unwanted? by QuantumG · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually. The government's assumption is that reasonable Australians don't want to see hard core porn and other "offensive" material. You disagree? Oh, you're just being unreasonable.

      This is what decades of tolerating film and media classification has done to us.

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    3. Re:Unwanted? by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is that it is illegal to sell a film in Australia without a classification, and that the Classification Board has the right, which it exercises often, to refuse classification. This effectively bans films which are considered "offensive".

      My solution would be to make all films immediately R18+. You must be 18 years of age or older to purchase them. If the distributor wants to apply for a lesser rating, they can do so. Now all the "think of the children" morons are placated and the rest of us can watch a movie revolving around the abusive home lives of teenage skateboarders without the government getting involved.

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    4. Re:Unwanted? by srjh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately that couldn't be further from the truth.

      First of all, the filter's scope is definitely beyond illegal material. See here for a legal explanation of the terms - most RC and prohibited content is actually perfectly legal to possess.

      Secondly, the minister has actually confirmed that sites such as pro-euthanasia websites will be banned. Drug use is also enough to get material put on the list. We're consistently told that the worst material on the list is child pornography, but that's beside the point - we need to know what the least harmful material on the blacklist is to make an informed decision. But we won't - the list is a government secret, and you will be jailed for revealing it.

      And these "lobby groups" trying to add whatever the fuck they want to the filter? They hold the balance of power in the senate... in fact it seems that a major motivation behind the Government's plan is to buy their votes. Those lobby groups want all pornography banned outright, others want gambling websites blocked. The filter will in no way stop at "illegal" material.

    5. Re:Unwanted? by spoco2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That link doesn't actually clarify anything they merely state 'It could be any number of things' and then go on to mention things that might be banned.

      It's all conjecture.

      Which is part of the problem, it should be completely transparent. Actually, it just shouldn't exist in the first place, but if it did it should be transparent.

  4. Too sum up .... by dbIII · · Score: 3, Funny

    We'll all be rooned.

  5. Unethical by nightfire-unique · · Score: 4, Funny

    Won't somebody please think of the children, who will be grown-ups one day -- grown-ups shackled with the consequences of implementing this unethical system?

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    1. Re:Unethical by nmoog · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except even the people who ask us to please think of the children don't want this one!

    2. Re:Unethical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation." - Adolph Hitler (Mein Kampf)

    3. Re:Unethical by SysDaemon · · Score: 3, Funny

      It seems that I will have to believe you as I can't access Mein Kampf in this jurisdiction -all I get is "This material has been deemed to be inappropriate, your IP number has been logged".

  6. technical ramifications of network filtering by liraz · · Score: 5, Informative

    Putting aside the question of whether filtering is desirable in the first place ("think of the children!"), or issues regarding the potential for future abuse (e.g., censorship of unpopular speech, and who determines what needs to be filtered in the first place) at the technical level any halfway-reliable filtering technology that peeks into the transport layer is going to add a huge amount of overhead that will increase costs and degrade performance. Good for the equipment companies, but bad for everyone who would prefer their Internet connection as dumb and fast as possible.

    OTOH, OpenDNS provides a free, opt-in filtering service available to anyone who wants it. It's very easy to deploy, why not just use that?

  7. And then of course... by yttrstein · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We patch apache (patch XXX obviously) to toss back hex or D-word IP addresses when hit with them. Actually I don't think a patch is necessary; I can think of a quick and dirty way to do it in Korn with forward and reverse proxying on..huh, pretty much any apache from 1.33 on.

    Then all we need to do is wait until the Aussies load so many obfuscated hosts into their border boxen that they all fry themselves and the silly idea it is will be really quite clear to anyone with opposable thumbs.

  8. Re:Voluntary by batdragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    Only the *testing* is voluntary.

    When (if, hopefully) the real thing goes live, "Filtering will be mandatory in all homes and schools across the country".

    See: http://nocleanfeed.com

  9. URL based to start with by teh+moges · · Score: 3, Funny

    The paper says that the filtering will be URL based (to start with, possibly moving to other methods later). With that in mind, I present my (patented..?) two step method to bypassing the filter:

    Step 1: Get IP address of blocked site
    Step 2: Enter that IP address

    1. Re:URL based to start with by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can use 4.2.2.1 through 4.2.2.5

      If I recall correctly, they're provided by various tier-1 carriers and telecoms (Level 3, Verizon, etc.).

    2. Re:URL based to start with by Klootzak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That'll work fine unless they're using Name Based Virtual Hosts.

      Regardless, as (almost) all of us know there's a number of ways to bypass this bloody stupid filter.

      Disclaimer: I don't think Child Pornography should be legal. However, I very strongly disagree that the Government has the right to put in access-Level filtering, regardless of their case.
      The ends DO NOT justify the means.

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    3. Re:URL based to start with by Eil · · Score: 4, Informative

      Step 1: Get IP address of blocked site
      Step 2: Enter that IP address

      That won't work on the vast majority of sites out there which either use name-based virtual hosting or complicated load balancers, both of which depend on the correct hostname being in the URL.

      In the old days, a common trick to get around URL filters was to put a '.' at the end of the TLD as in:

      http://www.example.com./

      The '.' is the root of the DNS hierarchy. It's optional when specifying an Internet hostname but all software which handles domain names is required to handle it properly. Programmers of early web filters didn't know this so if they put the following URL into their block list:

      http://www.example.com/*

      Adding the dot meant the URL wouldn't match the entry in the blocklist. All the vendors patched this pretty quickly though and then the next workaround discovered was encoding the domain name as its hex equivalent. Took longer for the vendors to patch that, but they finally did. Most of the web filters out there have had plenty of time to come up to speed on all the workarounds by this point, though.

  10. Re:Voluntary by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The awesome thing here is that the ISPs are now responsible for all the actions their users take.

    Did Bob Aussieman pirate a movie? Well, the ISP should have filtered that out. Did Steve Kiddyporn upload/download illegal pictures of children? The ISP should have stopped it.

    By even doing token filtering, they're taking responsibility for everything that happens on their network.

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  11. Re:"Unwanted Content" by Techman83 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Senator Steven "Liar" Conroy. He has claimed over and over, that the Mandatory system he wishes to implement is of the same variety as what's in Europe. NSW calls Conroy on Euro filter fudge'

    Which after a little searching one finds completely untrue. He has been questioned by other members of parliament and skirted around the issue by feeding the "Unwanted Material" line.

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  12. Re:Voluntary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Did Steve Kiddyporn upload/download illegal pictures of children? The ISP should have stopped it.

    His name is Bryan Kiddyporn! Not everyone in Australia is called Bob or Steve!

    Cheers
    Bruce

  13. Re:Voluntary by ozphx · · Score: 4, Informative

    You want filtering? No problem, we make a law that your ISP has to provide it at your request, for free

    Australia already has that law. Free NetNanny for everyone that wants a "clean" connection.

    Now ask me how many people have taken up this offer...

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  14. Re:Voluntary by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Rest assured there will be a law that absolves them. Else the lights will go out pretty fast in the fiberoptic cables of Aussieland.

    Because, as everyone here knows, there WILL be downloads and there WILL be illegal content, and you can filter however and whatever you like, it will get through. Now, ISPs are usually international companies, few are still single country. And when I am in constant danger of a lawsuit that threatens my very business in some country, I'll pull out. Providing internet services is a lossy business in Australia? Ok. Shut down the branch, we move the resources to some other country. It's done everywhere? Most ISPs are either also in telco or cable TV, so let's shut down the ISP biz and concentrate on the rest.

    If ISPs become the new scapegoat of the sue happy industries, they will close their doors. Unlike real people, corporations can easily move, and they can easily "die" without anyone being hurt.

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  15. Re:Voluntary by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Funny

    42.

    That's actual people that took up the Netnanny offer before you start going on about some answer to life, the universe and everything.

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  16. Re:Voluntary by Matt_R · · Score: 3, Informative

    iiNet have said that NOBODY has EVER downloaded the free filtering software from their website.

  17. How to Stop .torrents by WallyDrinkBeer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm fairly sure one of the first things added to the list will be torrent indexes. No more TPB or ISOHunt for Australians. This is exactly what Australian media companies want: they used to have it good, they would hold over US shows and movies for rating windows and screw over viewers that just wanted to watch stuff current.

    The big problem is, Australian media holds a lot of sway with the scum that is an Australian politician.

    Of course you'll be able to access them in a round-about fashion. Maybe it will eventually become illegal to bypass the filter, call it hacking. Aussie freedom will go, china style.

  18. Re:Voluntary by LBt1st · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sorry I'm having trouble understand you. Half of your post was filtered.

  19. Re:Sorry to go off topic by Iamthecheese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While I'm not pro-censorship or anything like that, I find your argument and sig.... disagreeable. You seem to be seeing the world in black and white, without the shades of grey.

    You say a picture or a video is just information. Ok, fair enough.

    But just because information can be freely duplicted doesn't mean it isn't affected by the laws of supply and demand.

    Some people will pay for this "information" (kiddie porn). Therefore other people will create child porn, for money.


    The creation of child porn (your definition may vary)should be punished, in my opinion, by death. Commissioning of child porn is accessory to the crime and should also be punished. On the other hand those who have not commissioned the deed should not be punished even if they buy child porn because they did not have a hand in the act. Would you make it a crime to sell the 9/11 videos? Surely billions of dollars have been made from those crimes. Where is the divide between the newscaster hawking scenes of death (if it bleeds it leads) and the exploitive pornographer hawking his wares? Surely either both should be illegal or neither.

    Unfortunately those people do unspeakable awful things to innocent children in order to create the information, in order to satisfy that demand.

    Punish them! punish them harshly! You will have all the evidence you need.

    By your logic I have done nothing wrong if I say I will provide $10,000,000 for a video of someone shooting you in the head, and someone follows through and I pay them. Or your children. Heck, your whole family. If all of you died horribly, simply because I paid for some "information" have I done anything wrong? By your logic, no.

    By my logic you have done something horrible, in commissioning the crime. The newscaster who puts it on for the 8:00 news hour in return for commercial profits has not. If you had specified a computer-generated video of such then nothing wrong would have been done at all.

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  20. Re:Voluntary by rdnetto · · Score: 4, Informative

    Now, ISPs are usually international companies, few are still single country.

    I don't know how it works in the US (or wherever you live) but the 2 of the top 3 ISPs in Australia (Telstra and iiNet) only serve within Australia, AFAIK. There headquarters are here too, meaning it would be difficult to move, especially since they own so much of the local infrastructure.
    The reason for this is likely that Australia is geographically isolated from other countries, being a continent in its own right.

    Most ISPs are either also in telco or cable TV, so let's shut down the ISP biz and concentrate on the rest.

    Telstra is a telco, but iiNet is only an ISP. There's actually talk of them providing IPTV next year, but that would be over the internet.
    Besides, at least one company will remain, and feel free to charge whatever they want (probably Telstra, due to their government given monopoly on the infrastructure). Isn't that the situation in the US - few people can choose an ISP other than Comcast?

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