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openSUSE Launches 11.1
Novell has unveiled their latest release to the openSUSE line with 11.1. Offering both updates and new features, Novell continues to push for more openness and transparency. The new release includes Linux kernel 2.6.27, Python 2.6, Mono 2.0, OpenOffice 3.0, and many others. "[...] Our choice was also influenced by impressive changes that are transpiring in the openSUSE community, which is growing rapidly and is also becoming more open, inclusive, and transparent. Last month, the project announced its first community-elected board, a major milestone in its advancement towards community empowerment. This is a very good openSUSE release and it delivers some very impressive enhancements. The distro has evolved tremendously in the past two releases and is becoming a very solid and usable option for regular users."
Screw SuSE!
Ninnle Linux is the way forward!
Because I can't seem to get Windows Genuine Advantage to run on it ...
It seems there is a hidden comment... cannot see it... Anyways, SuSE is not for slashdotters who deserve to be here ... use debian instead, or, if you're a little bit less adventurous, ubuntu! (actually, you should be compiling everything from source, but I think I've become too soft...)
It is an Microsoft os. Novell have gone to the darkside. Mono - oh dear NO Thanks.
paste from distrowatch weekly:
The Faculty of Physical Sciences at the University of Glasgow recently migrated their main logon server across to Slackware Linux. Shane Kelly writes: "A little while ago, the requirements for data transfer from some overseas research sites jumped tremendously, meaning I needed to assess the impact on our aging 'log in' server that was used as a portal to the Physics network." Their original server running SUSE Linux 9.3 had been working well, handling numerous login sessions, but its P3 CPU, 100 Mb network card and 96 MB of RAM were no longer enough to handle the increasing load. A new AMD Opteron-based server was selected and when it came time to choose a distribution, he headed here to DistroWatch.com to help decide. "I have never liked Red Hat (too many 'extras' between you and the operating system), ditto SUSE, and looking at the top twenty Linux distributions on DistroWatch, I could see that many were more suited to desktops, while many more had no 'pedigree' and were simply re-vamped editions of something else. Then my eye hit upon an old-timer that was said to be a bit difficult, devoid of GUI management tools, and rock solid. Yep, I'm talking about Slackware, the oldest surviving Linux distribution, now at version 12.1". The author is happy to be re-acquainted with his old friend Slackware and is recommending it to others for use on their servers.
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openSUSE 11.1, the next major version of the company's community-driven Linux distribution, is scheduled for release on December 17.
Novell sold out to Microsoft. Stick with pure builds like the ones the parent listed.
Until I see, in writing, that the Novel & Microsoft deal is vacated, I have to presume it isn't safe to use any Suse release. I have no interest in colaterally losing any of my Linux rights by being co-opted by some legal shenanigans from Microsoft.
Users Beware, Suse is no longer safe to use, and Suse news is, therefore, not to be considered of interest.
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
This is another release that will go months, if not years, before it has a working Novell Client. It seems that the left hand is never sure of what the right hand is doing.
Novell is "pushing" for more openness? Why does it take "pushing"? Novell owns SuSE - it can just open it as much as it wants. Finally opening the project governance to the community that's been contributing for years isn't even "pushing", or at least not harder than inertia.
Novell does seem to be gradually getting around to opening SuSE. Which is good. But since SuSE could be doing even better if Novell just opened it more, and more quickly, bottlenecked by only it's community's maturity and not by corporate hesitance, I'm not believing this happy talk about "pushing".
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make install -not war
It seems that every post that points out the Novell/Microsoft deal are marked as troll or flamebait.
I know it's a hot issue and the Microsoft/Novell deal still bothers me, but anyone bringing up this issue is automatically tagged as troll. Care to explain?
Goodbye Slashdot. You've changed.
Since it doesn't look to be an anti-novell troll.
Not primarily or not solely, at least
By experience I tend to avoid using the .0 releases as they are often buggy :/
Some like it with bugs..... I don't!
Sorry this distro is still broken.
Once again it failed the grandma test.
Very simple test.
1 Blank Computer
1 Distro Install CD
1 Elderly female ages 60 and up with grandchildren.
Grandma must install it and do a simple series of tasks
1)Install the OS (this now includes connecting to the wireless network with WPA security)
2)Write a Letter to the Grand Kids in Word or PDF format (This includes setting up the default email client)
3)Email said letter as an attachment
4)Take a digital picture on the camera and save it to the computer
5)Print said picture
6) Turn the computer OFF (not sleep, hibernate, or standby)
That's all I ask. XP passes. OSX Passes. Vista passes.
Linux has never passed this test. (You cannot use a grandma more then once FYI. So I am running out of elderly people. Please someone else pick up the torch for the grandma test.)
-=[ Who Is John Galt? ]=-
RHEL has an "open" clone, CentOS.
Where is the "open" clone of SLES?
Please link to the 11.1 live kde 4 iso
I am a long-time SuSE fan, since it had the least problems with my hardware (esp. laptops), could get my favorite package manager (apt, although since 10.3 & zypper you don't need it), and its config tool Yast was better than most things out there. When our company needed 64bit servers (running VMware among other things) about 4 years ago, SuSE was the best option.
And with every version, it did get much better... until the dreaded 11. At first I installed a SuSE 11 beta on an AMD system to check out KDE 4. As you all know, KDE 4.0 was nothing to look at unless you were a KDE developer, so I didn't have much fun there as a KDE user, however I noticed that the system was VERY unstable, even for a beta. I am not used to seeing hard locks even on beta linux distros.
Anyway, I gave SuSE 11 a shot when it came out. I installed it on a very common Core 2 system (Asus mobo, fresh bios etc). A few seconds after you started KDE (random number), even WITHOUT doing anything, the screen would freeze, and there was nothing you could do, no ctrl+F1, or ssh etc, it was a hard lock. If you switched off and on, nothing out of the ordinary was on the system logs... Tried three clean installations, same behavior, gave up and reinstalled 10.3 (which was always fine). I never had a hard lock with out any clue in the logs, so I could not imagine how I could troubleshoot (without randomly trying things)...
Sorry for the rant, I hope I am allowed a little bit as a SuSE fan. Anyway really hope 11.1 is what 11 should have been for me...
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Well played, master troll. You knew Linux live CDs pass these tests regularly with old and young alike. MS Windows is the OS that fails these tests (particularly installation; often no NIC drivers). You got myself and others to respond. Hopefully you're a Linux advocate using reverse psychology...
Plz seeeeeeed!!
Mastering the English language is fucking easy: all you have to do is to put an f* word in every fucking sentence.
This is surely a top-notch release. They're only one major version behind with Python.
I set up my parents with openSuSE 11.0 on an older desktop of mine. It runs fine. They are using KDE 4.0. I have to fix a few things now and then, I had to show them how to use some stuff, but they are using it now to print (Canon MP210, network share... slightly buggy when accessing via network on XP but it still works), e-mail (gmail), web (firefox), video (can't remember the program), music (amarok, pandora), documents (openoffice.org, pdf reading), etc.
I'll upgrade my laptop to openSuSE 11.1 first and if it works, upgrade their desktop as well. Hopefully it will support the video card (Radeon 9800) drivers a little bit better.
Frankly, the Microsoft/Novell "evil deal" thing is extremely frustrating to me. I'm working with both SuSE and RedHat a lot at work now, and I frankly prefer SuSE to RedHat as far as usability. I've tried Ubuntu and I don't like Gnome, and it was harder to customize Ubuntu (at least for me) than SuSE 10.3/11.0.
No, SuSE did not pass the grandma-install test, but it passed the set-up-for-parents-and-let-them-use test.
Yes, really, this is not even freshmeat material. It was not even released yet... Who cares? And well, as long as Novell is behind this I'd rather not care at all about testing it, it is not like the other distros didn't do a much better job at those things that were mentioned so eagerly in this slashvertisement...
Copyright infringement is "piracy" in the same way DRM is "consumer rape"
show that *BSD has another charnel host what the house I've never ssen may also want the top. Or were, vitality. Like an but now they're and Juliet 40,000
I wasn't aware it meant wait 3 days.
I haven't ever used Suse, as I've never had the desire. Ubuntu floats my boat just fine, and I'll be trying out Opensolaris pretty soon. All you people saying we shouldn't even talk about Novell can stop talking in this thread, and easily not even read the article. This is an open forum. And C# is technically a good language.
...and is also becoming more open, inclusive, and transparent
It's more than a little ironic that a company which stands the shoulders of countless developers who's work is the product of being "open, inclusive, and transparent" have decided that maybe this methodology may have merit. There are plenty of distributions that "get it". Suse clearly does not.
When did it become SUSE instead of SuSE? DuDE!!
Thanks a lot.
This happens everytime a msft hot-button issue is posted. Slashdot gets flooded with msft shills.
If the ms/novell deal was not an ms scam to make all other linux distros illegal, then what was the point of the deal?
And why hasn't novell offered any good explaination?
But then that's usually the case for /.
OpenSUSE is a good Linux distro - one of the top five best, and probably the best. I have 10.3 on my old machine and just installed 11.0 on my new machine. Only complaint I have is now I have to consider whether to upgrade to 11.1. As usual, I'll probably hold off for a couple months to let the bugs get fixed. And I won't touch KDE 4.x until it's at 4.2 at least - too many people complaining about bugs for me to consider using it, although 4.1 is allegedly stable for many people.
Once again, I said when it occurred that Novell's deal with Microsoft was irrelevant for Linux and FOSS in general except to a bunch of FSF psychos and that has proven to be the case. Only lames with no clue continue to bring it up every time Novell is mentioned.
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Anybody else notice that posts that are not favorable to the msft/novl deal are modded down as troll or flamebait?
Isn't it funny how that happens whenever there is a issue that is important to msft? Like the ooxml scam, or msft's vista pos?
Then please explain why the deal was needed?
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080904043402537&query=Novel+Microsoft+deal+patent
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070930081040440&query=Novel+Microsoft+deal+patent
And so forth...
Now there was some question as to whether Open SUSE was equally damned as SUSE Enterprise.
I don't want to bet that Microsoft _won't_ sue.
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
Novel doesn't have to "love microsoft" in order for Microsoft to pee in my pool if I use SUSE and they think that means I have a licence with them (Microsoft).
Even if it was an obviously friviolous action, I don't have the reserves to fight off even a casual suit from M$.
So I stay away from products they have tainted, particularly those that are tainted with untried legal practices...
I don't have the money to be a test case.
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
The number of times this message has bounced between "troll" and "informative" is kind-of funny.
There really should be a way see not just the current rating, but the entire rating log of a message.
Innocent people shouldn't be forced to pay for inferior software development.
--"Code Complete" Microsoft Press
Has anyone tried this in a QEMU session? I had real problems getting the last version to install under QEMU most often ending in a QEMU lock up. For info this is the QEMU that comes with Intrepid on AMD64 X2 but using an "i386" guest as the x86_64 guests wouldn't even start to boot.
Moore's law is not a law. Theory, yes; Predictable trend, certainly; Law, no.
I've just tried installing openSuse 11.0 a few days ago. The installing process was maybe the best I've seen so far. Only afterwards the problems started. I did not find out how to get dsl-running and Linux without network is just unusable. Especially Suse which complains all the time about a missing network connection when you try to get the network connection running. Also I failed to get the desktop running correctly with 1440x900 - the resolution was correct, but the desktop itself insisted on beeing larger and everytime I tried to change that a) my taskbar vanished and b) it was reset to the old resolution on the next login. I suppose it might be a problem of KDE 4. Oh and KDE 4... I don't really think it was a good idea to switch to that already. Though I have given up on Suse due to the above troubles and tried Kubuntu afterwards and so my KDE experiences are more based on that configuration (which was the worst desktop experience I had had this decade).
Gnome main menu too unresponsive.
KDE 4 too slow
KDE 3 menus a little weird compares to suse 10.
11.0 scragged audio settings, made it difficult to
get any sound.
Does 11.1 fix these things?