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Software-Generated Paper Accepted At IEEE Conference

schlangemann writes "Check out the paper Towards the Simulation of E-commerce by Herbert Schlangemann, which is available in the IEEEXplor database (full article available only to IEEE members). This generated paper has been accepted with review by the 2008 International Conference on Computer Science and Software Engineering (CSSE). According to the organizers, 'CSSE is one of the important conferences sponsored by IEEE Computer Society, which serves as a forum for scientists and engineers in the latest development of artificial intelligence, grid computing, computer graphics, database technology, and software engineering.' Even better, fake author Herbert Schlangemann has been selected as session chair (PDF) for that conference. (The name Schlangemann was chosen based on the short film Der Schlangemann by Andreas Hansson and Björn Renberg.)"

235 comments

  1. I For One... by maz2331 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Do not welcome our new computer-generated overlords.

    1. Re:I For One... by aaron+alderman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This sounds like a good way to filter journals which are lax with their standards. It might also weed out peers who are too lazy (or stupid) to contribute to the process.
      So I for one welcome our new document-producing computer overlords, which is just as well as they already seem to be used as part of Slashdot's editorial process.

    2. Re:I For One... by jstults · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is the solution, you're exactly right! Use generated papers as the way to score whether reviewers are doing their job well or not. A short write-up on the idea; it shouldn't be too hard to automate since most submissions are electronic nowadays.

    3. Re:I For One... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      But if the computer generated paper is good, all the reviewers might treat the submission as favorable, with very few corrections needing to be made...

    4. Re:I For One... by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      You can tell that Slashdot has human editors because there are too many MISPELINGS and GRAMMER errors.

      Layne

    5. Re:I For One... by vikstar · · Score: 1

      Anyone read the paper? Perhaps the auto-generation software is so good that it actually came up with something...

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      The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than the question of whether a submarine can swim.
    6. Re:I For One... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The best phrase from this paper is:

      "Continuing with this rationale, we removed more 2GHz Intel 386s from the KGB's game-theoretic
      cluster to understand our desktop machines."

      It's good to know that, in the study of e-commerce simulation, one can always depend on 2 GHz 386s from the KGB game-theory cluster. This was clearly needed to understand a desktop.

      I'll find out soon enough if the IEEE watermarks the PDFs with the username and IP of the original downloader - since here's a download link.

      Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays,

      Satan Claws.

    7. Re:I For One... by sketerpot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The abstract is incomprehensible gibberish with no common thread except "we love non sequiturs". I doubt the rest of the article is much better.

    8. Re:I For One... by roguetrick · · Score: 1

      Who can actually claim copyright on it anyway? Didn't a fictitious author sign the forums?

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  2. Reviewers? by joelleo · · Score: 5, Funny

    They probably used automated reviewing software - the computers are conspiring against us! Next thing you know we'll have autogenerated legislation and automated reviews for congressmen to vote on. How long till we have automaton congressmen voting for autogenerated legislation with pork provisions for "free storage enhancement" for their cronies?? OMG! :)

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    1. Re:Reviewers? by KagatoLNX · · Score: 5, Funny

      In some ways, it already functions this way. There's just a lot of people waiting to be replaced with shell-scripts.

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      I think Mauve has the most RAM. --PHB (Dilbert Comic)
    2. Re:Reviewers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would say sooner than later, but if politicians are good at one thing, it's making sure people are voting... and not, let's say dogs, or robots, or botnets. You could add washing machines to that list, but they're too difficult to stop at the polls. On election day, everyone wants to have sex on a washing machine. It should be in the Bill of Rights. Every election day, we all get free nookie on top of the Maytag. Thump duh thump duh thump duh thump!

    3. Re:Reviewers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next thing you know we'll have autogenerated legislation and automated reviews for congressmen to vote on.

      I hope they do! That would most probably be a huge improvement!

    4. Re:Reviewers? by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

      > In some ways, it already functions this way. There's just a lot of people waiting to be replaced with shell-scripts.

          That affirmation is completely false.
          Stop spreading your lies.
          You don't know what you're talking about.
          In soviet russia your post is wrong about you.
      else
          echo "--Syntax error"
          exit 1
      fi
      #-----This automated response was brought to you by:
      #-----CocaCola, General Motors, RIAA

    5. Re:Reviewers? by jbacon · · Score: 2, Funny

      What color did you want that SQL database in?

      (See OP's sig for answer)

    6. Re:Reviewers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the way, here is the official review comment: "This paper presents cooperative technology and classical Communication. In conclusion, the result shows that though the much-touted amphibious algorithm for the refinement of randomized algorithms is impossible, the well-known client-server algorithm for the analysis of voice-over- IP by Kumar and Raman runs in _(n) time. The authors can clearly identify important features of visualization of DHTs and analyze them insightfully. It is recommended that the authors should develop ideas more cogently, organizes them more logically, and connects them with clear transitions"

    7. Re:Reviewers? by Mr2cents · · Score: 3, Funny

      My personal theory is that the reviewers were thinking "Whatever they're smoking, I hope they share it".

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      "It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton LaVey
    8. Re:Reviewers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's just a lot of people waiting to be replaced with shell-scripts.

      If the reiewers had previously reviewed material for Prof. El Naschie, (discussed yesterday http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/23/1831225) they probably wou;dn't find this paper that objectionable.

    9. Re:Reviewers? by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Can I get the icon in cornflower blue, though?

    10. Re:Reviewers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably used automated reviewing software

      I just read the abstract and I have to say even a simple domain classifier would have noticed there is something wrong with the abstract or the article.

    11. Re:Reviewers? by suburbanmediocrity · · Score: 1

      That affirmation is completely false. Stop spreading your lies. You don't know what you're talking about. In soviet russia your post is wrong about you.

    12. Re:Reviewers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, the refreshing taste of NukaCola!

    13. Re:Reviewers? by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

      Next thing you know we'll have autogenerated legislation and automated reviews for congressmen to vote on.

      'It looks like you're trying to revoke civil rights! Would you like some help?'

      How long till we have automaton congressmen voting for autogenerated legislation with pork provisions for "free storage enhancement" for their cronies??

      Sounds like it would make as bad of a future as it has the last eight years.

    14. Re:Reviewers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Next thing you know we'll have autogenerated legislation and automated reviews for congressmen to vote on"
      Don't worry, headlines about this will be automatically posted by our robotic overlords at slashdot. Some innovative Firefox plugin will come out that will automatically comment after NOT reading the TFA's.
      3. ???
      4. Profit!!

  3. proving my point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...that peer reviewed journals (at least in computer science) are crap. 1) peer review is an old boys network, 2) people don't look at substance, they look for fancy buzzwords of the month and equations that look hard (you're rewarded for the more convoluted your paper is!), and 3) the way the system is setup, 99% of what is published is crap...people at universities and labs are forced to produce as many publications as possible to get promoted. It would be unfair of me to say that all of it is useless, but it's definitely inefficient. Look at where the great ideas in computer science and software development come today...they come from the community through things like open source (e.g. Linux, BitTorrent, etc). The academic community just rides on their coattails...

    1. Re:proving my point... by JohnFluxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A professor will typically publish around 500 papers. That's about one paper every two weeks. I cannot see how anyone can produce a high quality paper, including doing the research, in two weeks, every two weeks.

    2. Re:proving my point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't know any professors that proflic. That would take a lot of graduate students... An associate professor can typically count on getting tenure with 3 top tier publications at most institutions.

    3. Re:proving my point... by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's called pipelining. You're doing multiple pieces of research over long periods in parallel. Large parts of the research and dog work are handed off to grad-student units to be completed and then introduced back into the main pipeline.

      Then the professor goes to the toilet and squeezes out another paper while reading the results of the grad student's dog work.

    4. Re:proving my point... by caerwyn · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just for an example of poor quality (though opposite to your comments about convolution), I was once handed a paper (I don't recall the journal or author, unfortunately, as this was several years ago) on fault detection in distributed networks.

      The entire point of the paper was "If you send a request and you don't get a response back for a while, something probably went wrong." I read over it a couple times, hoping I was missing something that actually had substance to it. No luck.

      That said, I don't think the academic community is entirely full of crap, or just riding on coattails. I do think a lot of that goes on, though, and I think it really pollutes the overall signal/noise ratio in the related journals- and from a distance, it does tend to just blur together into "crap".

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    5. Re:proving my point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A professor will typically publish around 500 papers. That's about one paper every two weeks. I cannot see how anyone can produce a high quality paper, including doing the research, in two weeks, every two weeks.

      Be careful with numbers. That 500 figure you're quoting includes all papers with a given professors name on it, including (but not limited to):

      - pretty much every paper produced by one of their postgrad students.
      - pretty much every paper produced by one of their postdocs.
      - pretty much every paper produced by one of their research assistants.
      - repeat for political allies, old friends, the janitor, anyone else who is willing to allow them to give minimal input and a name in the title...
      - and their own papers.

      Get the picture?

    6. Re:proving my point... by PingPongBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There is a lot of crap, I agree, because many profs save time by having students write papers, and when you talk about riding coattails, the profs just put their name along with the student's name on the sometimes quite long list of authors. On the surface, there is a "structured" way of writing a paper so that it passes muster. After that, deep thoughts are typically not described in detail. The reader is "supposed to" have enough IQ or education to follow along.

      Is it an old boys network? Perhaps, but I don't really think so. The system works, as in it is maintainable rather than functional, rather than perfect, because there is enough money to keep below average students. After all, if you have only above average students, you will end up with below average students, below a larger average, but then you need above average profs and above average budgets. Just as subprime was aided by mandates to provide poor people with access to housing, universities have to admit bad performance.

      The problem is a lot of writers tend to gravitate to lower standards, partly to save time on writing, and partly because the system makes papers suck so badly that it becomes easy to become published - it's an artificial way of paving the road to academic recognition. Reviewers are inundated with garbage. They can't reject as many as they want because they have a "quota". Also, some people need an incentive to become researchers, trying to achieve something risky, and they aren't going to stay in the field if their papers keep getting rejected.

      There has to be a happy ending - if you want to figure out something, don't just search the literature. The exact answer isn't there. You have to solve the problems yourself and skim the papers for little insights into techniques or results.

      --
      Know your pads. One time pad: good for cryptography. Two timing pad: where to take your mistress.
    7. Re:proving my point... by aaron+alderman · · Score: 2

      I know that professor. Trust me, he isn't doing anything but being the team leader and gets to attach his name to everything.
      He's successful because he applies for grant money, hires quality staff and administers multiple projects thanks to his years of expertise. (He also likes shaking hands of politicians and appearing on TV)
      The quality work comes from his minions (post doc's, etc) and he basks in their collective glory.
      </jealous>

    8. Re:proving my point... by Enter+the+Shoggoth · · Score: 1

      ...that peer reviewed journals (at least in computer science) are crap. 1) peer review is an old boys network, 2) people don't look at substance, they look for fancy buzzwords of the month and equations that look hard (you're rewarded for the more convoluted your paper is!), and 3) the way the system is setup, 99% of what is published is crap...people at universities and labs are forced to produce as many publications as possible to get promoted. It would be unfair of me to say that all of it is useless, but it's definitely inefficient. Look at where the great ideas in computer science and software development come today...they come from the community through things like open source (e.g. Linux, BitTorrent, etc). The academic community just rides on their coattails...

      I agree with the first part of your post, but at the risk of re-igniting the discussion that we've had here previously; it's quite a strech to say that the academic community simply rides the coattails of the opensource community. Yes, BitTorrent is something that would have cut it as Computer Science research but whilst Linux may be fun, useful, more secure than Windoze, and Free (as in speech) it has very little to do with computer _science_ research.

      Indeed there is a yawning chasm between what academia and industry do, often this is regrettable*, however it is often so because industry and the academy have very different goals, not withstanding the idiocay that is trying to turn universities into _purely_ commercial enterprises, without blue-skies research we might as well all just go back to swinging from a tree in the jungle.

      *on the part of both groups - just witness the way industry is approaching the prospect of many-cores as a pervasive platform, aided and abetted by some of the less clear thinking of those in the academy - Software Transaction Memory anyone?

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      Andy Warhol got it right / Everybody gets the limelight
      Andy Warhol got it wrong / Fifteen minutes is too long.
    9. Re:proving my point... by Chapter80 · · Score: 5, Funny

      The entire point of the paper was "If you send a request and you don't get a response back for a while, something probably went wrong." I read over it a couple times, hoping I was missing something that actually had substance to it. No luck.

      It was probably an attempt to satisfy the author's "[citation needed]" request in Wikipedia.

    10. Re:proving my point... by comp.sci · · Score: 1

      Undoubtedly there are many issue with the peer review process but it's not an old-boys network as you claim. Every respectable journal or conference blinds all reviews so the reviewers don't know whose papers they are reviewing. Of course there are terrible conferences like this one (and many other commentators have mentioned this) since anybody can create a conference. Also, to say that all CS research is done by developers shows a lack of understanding what most true research in CS is.

    11. Re:proving my point... by Miseph · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "He's successful because he applies for grant money, hires quality staff and administers multiple projects thanks to his years of expertise."

      So... he's a good and productive administrator? I can see being annoyed at hogging the publishing limelight, but it's pretty hard to fault someone for being a good leader.

      --
      Try not to take me more seriously than I take myself.
    12. Re:proving my point... by wintermind · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not a computer scientist, so YMMV, but I frequently act as a peer reviewer for several agricultural journals. We have no quota with respect to acceptance or rejection, and are not compensated monetarily or otherwise for our service as reviewers. I've rejected papers before, and it seems like I've rejected more as time goes on. I've even had a couple of my own papers rejected -- not every paper is a winner. One thing I have noticed is that I review for a journal with a very high impact rating, and there has been a noticeable increase in mediocre-quality papers as people chase the impact rating.

    13. Re:proving my point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a difference between software engineering and computer science.

    14. Re:proving my point... by penguinbroker · · Score: 1

      the open source community produces great software, but does not push the boundaries of the computer science. comp sci is applied mathematics, it is not programming. big difference. some of the best computer scientists rarely program anything other than latex markup.

      most of the innovation is trickle down tech from military, nasa, or tech companies.

      lastly, while you can make this argument that comp sci is extremely inefficient (oh, i bask in your wisdom...) i suggest you read this article about a successful computer scientist's criticism on another flagging industry for perspective.

    15. Re:proving my point... by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      ...that peer reviewed journals (at least in computer science) are crap. 1) peer review is an old boys network, 2) people don't look at substance, they look for fancy buzzwords of the month and equations that look hard (you're rewarded for the more convoluted your paper is!), and 3) the way the system is setup, 99% of what is published is crap...people at universities and labs are forced to produce as many publications as possible to get promoted. It would be unfair of me to say that all of it is useless, but it's definitely inefficient. Look at where the great ideas in computer science and software development come today...they come from the community through things like open source (e.g. Linux, BitTorrent, etc). The academic community just rides on their coattails...

      So this computer is an "old boy".

      clearly you know something the rest of us don't about the robotic overlords who rule us all from the shadows!

      GET HIM GANG!

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    16. Re:proving my point... by kabloom · · Score: 2, Informative

      The publications are usually coauthored with the grad students who did the research.

    17. Re:proving my point... by kramer2718 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't buy it. Academia may have some issues, but there are certainly things that Academia is good for and some things that an open-source-type community is good for.

      It has been a long time dince academicians have developed a new pulic worthy OS, but I would be highly surprised to see the public at large develope something as difficult, complex, abstract and important as the PCP Theorem (probably the greatest recent comment on the P != NP conjecture--for those of you who are interested, the theorem says that supposing P!=NP, then there is a limit as to how close an approximation algorithm can approximate a solution, conversely, if an approximation algorithm can come closer than that limit, then P=NP).

    18. Re:proving my point... by Lars512 · · Score: 1

      They won't be first author on all these papers.

      For some papers they collaborate on, the effort involved will be to essentially write two paragraphs summarizing the relevance of their specialty area to the main thrust of the paper. For others, they have guided a student through a research problem, and then their contribution to the drafting process can be huge. They can be the ones to say, "It doesn't leave our lab unless it's of a certain standard." They then help students make that standard by helping in the drafting.

      Finally, there are some papers which they work on which will tackle a really significant, high-level problem head on, in which they will first-author some work.

      With all these, they don't squeeze out papers every two weeks real time, but when an important conference comes around, don't be surprised to see 5 or 6 papers with their name on it.

    19. Re:proving my point... by BitHive · · Score: 1

      And your post proves my point that self-absorbed programmers who think they are smarter than everyone simply because they are proficient with technology will make embarrassingly arrogant posts on Slashdot showing how they "see through the bullshit" of academia and the "scientific establishment". This paper got accepted for a poster session. This isn't a terribly imaginative prank and it certainly isn't news. But skeptics who make it part of their identity to shit on "people" and "the old boys network" and "buzzwords" and "the system" will throw around percentages and wax idiotic about efficiency and feel a sense of accomplishment. You embarass yourself.

    20. Re:proving my point... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are an Anonymous coward, you soab!!

      Show us your face!!

  4. Editing by Iamthecheese · · Score: 1

    One may suspect that the original submission was heavily edited. (read: merely an inspiration for a real idea) That said, this should be in "idle."

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    1. Re:Editing by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 4, Informative

      Did you read the paper? I'll just give you the abstract and let you decide for yourself if there was heavy editing ...

      "Recent advances in cooperative technology and classical communication are based entirely on the assumption that the Internet and active networks are not in conflict with object-oriented languages. In fact, few information theorists would disagree with the visualization of DHTs that made refining and possibly simulating 8 bitarchitectures a reality, which embodies the compelling principles of electrical engineering. In this work we better understand how digital-to-analog converters can be applied to the development of e-commerce."

    2. Re:Editing by rite_m · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is a conference not a journal. CS journals do go through multiple revisions, conference acceptance usually don't go through any. If any, they go through atmost one, which may or may not be compulsory.

    3. Re:Editing by xouumalperxe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Granted, there's no 'A' to point at and say 'RTFA', but the summary says the paper was reviewed for the conference.

    4. Re:Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eh? CS conferences are significantly more important than journals. In systems, if you are applying for an academic job, a SOSP or OSDI publication would be the best thing.

    5. Re:Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize that tenure decisions in CS these days are made taking conference publications into account ?
      Most CS researchers have a very small number of journal publications.

      There is a good reason why hard sciences like physics are maths are fighting this conference "publication" bullshit.

    6. Re:Editing by vux984 · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Recent advances in cooperative technology and classical communication are based entirely on the assumption that the Internet and active networks are not in conflict with object-oriented languages....

      Aha... now I know where my boss got the idea for our new project.

    7. Re:Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another problem is that journals are not in locations like Hawaii or Florida. OK, Wuhan is not exactly a resort, but it makes for a nice vacation for some folks who get to go there, I am sure. That is another reason the number of conferences have proliferated (and let me tell you, there are some which are really famous for accepting whatever crap, but the guys who get to go there get a free vacation on the company - or university).

    8. Re:Editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Computer overlords would like DA converters and simulated 8-bit architectures, you know.

  5. Fascinating Development by myrdos2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Let me be the first to say that random material implies a review board that is not at odds with itself. Interestingly, researchers are able to better understand material used in conjunction with algorithmic development and first principles engineering, which does not suggest a relationship between the reader and any given node.

    Furthermore, citations may be employed to enhance this phenomenon when used together with LaTeX and multiples of knowledge.

    1. Re:Fascinating Development by dafrazzman · · Score: 0, Redundant

      In this letter, I would like to share with you some thoughts I originally organized to improve the physical and spiritual quality of life for the population at present and for those yet to come. Let me begin by saying that IEEE's accusations are destructive. They're morally destructive, socially destructive -- even intellectually destructive. And, as if that weren't enough, I no longer believe that trends like family breakdown, promiscuity, and violence are random events. Not only are they explicitly glorified and promoted by IEEE's pompous, morbid claims, but its unedifying preoccupation with Jacobinism will steal the fruits of other people's labor before you know it. Excuse me; that's not entirely correct. What I meant to say is that I deeply believe that it's within our grasp to transform our culture of war and violence into a culture of peace and nonviolence. Be grateful for this first and last tidbit of comforting news. The rest of this letter will center around the way that I want to lift our nation from the quicksand of injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. But first, let me pose an abstract question. Why can't we simply agree to disagree? Many people consider that question irrelevant on the grounds that we have a dilemma of leviathan proportions on our hands: Should we seek liberty, equality, and fraternity, or is it sufficient to shape a world of dignity and harmony, a world of justice, solidarity, liberty, and prosperity? Whenever that question is asked, IEEE and its apologists run and hide. I suspect that that's precisely what they're going to do now so as to avoid hearing me say that IEEE hates it when you say that it uses words like "historicocabbalistical" to give its bons mots an air of culture and elegance. It really hates it when you say that. Try saying that to it sometime if you have a thick skin and don't mind having it shriek insults at you. All of this once again proves the old saying that even IEEE's most dotty functionaries are trained in the use of force, deadly force, advanced weaponry, and offensive and defensive tactics.

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    2. Re:Fascinating Development by dafrazzman · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Sorry for that rash comment. Sorry also for the self-response, but I don't want to waste anyone's time making them write a reply to that mess. Here, I've had a little more time to compose my thoughts. *ahem*

      Something is happening here, and I'm getting a little worried. To get immediately to the point, whatever your age, you now have only one choice. That choice is between a democratic, peace-loving regime that, you hope, may get people to sign a petition to limit IEEE's ability to cause trouble and, as the alternative, the gloomy and larcenous dirigisme currently being forced upon us by IEEE. Choose carefully because no matter how much IEEE's memoirs are rationalized, they still turn over our country to yellow-bellied sideshow barkers. That said, let me continue.

      Forgive me, dear reader, but I must be so tactless as to remind you that a great many of us don't want IEEE to bring ugliness and nastiness into our lives. But we feel a prodigious societal pressure to smile, to be nice, and not to object to its spiteful codices. If IEEE makes fun of me or insults me I hear it, and it hurts. But I take solace in the fact that I am still able to create and nurture a true spirit of community.

      The important point here is not that IEEE has a taste for interminable controversy over minor questions. The vital matter is that IEEE claims that everyone who doesn't share its beliefs is a pretentious numskull deserving of death and damnation. Predictably, it cites no hard data for that claim. This is because no such data exist. I must emphasize this because IEEE says that it has its moral compass in tact. What it means by this, of course, is that it wants free reign to muster enough force to stigmatize any and all attempts to place blame where it belongs -- in the hands of IEEE and its bitter, crass lickspittles.

      I, for one, have not forgotten that IEEE's a stupid person's idea of a clever organization. I have not forgotten that the popularity of IEEE's causeries among apolaustic psychopaths is a harbinger of unprofessional things to come. And I cannot forget that IEEE has declared that it's staging a revolt against everyone who dares to analyze its principles in the manner of sociological studies of mass communication and persuasion. IEEE's revolting all right; the very sight of it turns my stomach. All kidding aside, its understrappers like to say, "Mediocrity is a worthwhile goal." Such frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. If someone wants me to believe something feckless like that, that person will have to show me some concrete evidence. Meanwhile, I intend to show you that once one begins thinking about free speech, about narrow-minded, vulgar mythomaniacs who use ostracism and public opinion to prevent the airing of views contrary to their own loathsome beliefs, one realizes that IEEE is like a magician who produces a dove in one hand while the other hand is busy trying to implement a deplorable parody of justice called "IEEE-ism".

      The cure for corruption, conspiracy, and treason must start by exposing the problem to people who care and are not themselves corrupted. The same holds true for gormless pantywaists. Anyone who thinks that sesquipedalianism is absolutely essential to the well-being of society is not living in the real world. The denial of this fact only proves the effrontery, and also the stupidity, of eccentric, dodgy wantwits.

      IEEE's ideologies are a mere cavil, a mere scarecrow, one of the last shifts of a desperate and dying cause. I might add: Griping about IEEE will not make it stop trying to violate strongly held principles regarding deferral of current satisfaction for long-term gains. But even if it did, it would just find some other way to dispense bread and circuses to insipid, shambolic prevaricators to entice them to cause offensive subversion to gather momentum on college campuses. The dim-witted Stalinism I've been writing about is not primarily the fault of primitive nutcases, nor of the bloody-minded shirkers who rifle, pillage, plunder, a

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      My preferred name is frazz, but someone keeps taking it. If you see him, tell him I said hi.
    3. Re:Fascinating Development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't read all that, but it begs the question, what the fuck are you talking about?

    4. Re:Fascinating Development by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one one else has called you on this computer-generated answer because it sounds so smart. but I call you. What are you trying to say???

      Martha

  6. Sokal affair Redux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Sokal affair Redux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is not especially like the Sokal affair. Its pretty obvious here that no-one read the paper.

      Consider, the first paragraph from the paper:

      The synthesis of ïber-optic cables is a natural quagmire. While such a hypothesis is entirely a theoretical ambition, it rarely conïicts with the need to provide operating systems to computational biologists. Similarly,for example, many methodologies measure vacuum tubes. The notion that hackers worldwide interfere with context-free grammar is largely bad. The synthesis of checksums would tremendously improve mobile information.

      or this:

      "We performed a quantized emulation on Intelâ(TM)s mobile telephones to prove the work of Italian mad scientist J. Dongarra."

    2. Re:Sokal affair Redux? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At least Social Text wasn't a peer-reviewed publication. IEEE doesn't seem to have that excuse.

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    3. Re:Sokal affair Redux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My thoughts exactly. I guess this is conclusive proof that computer science is bullshit, then.

    4. Re:Sokal affair Redux? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Except that in that case it was a social science journal. There's another case where someone submitted a randomly generated CS or engineering paper to an conference organized by a group that's basically famous for running for-profit (and not much else) conferences.

      This one was submitted to an IEEE conference. Supposedly those are of some quality.

    5. Re:Sokal affair Redux? by deglr6328 · · Score: 1

      so let me get this straight, you actually think that "defense" of Social Text by the editor is somehow convincing, and not merely the ultra-pretentious whinings of a petulant bedwetter who's obviously been foisted by his own? how embarrassing for you.

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    6. Re:Sokal affair Redux? by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      you actually think that "defense" of Social Text by the editor is somehow convincing and not merely the ultra-pretentious whinings of a petulant bedwetter

      Interesting conclusions you jump to.

      The editor's comments demonstrate that he -like a lot of "postmodern" theorists - is in serious need of a good old Zen-style smack upside the head - a time-honored cure for taking abstractions too seriously. However, that does not change the fact that the publication of Sokal's "hoax" in Social Text did not undergo peer review.

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  7. Sadly... by KarrdeSW · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This SCIgen system quite resembles how many undergrads I have seen write papers for many of their classes, not just computer science.

    1. Re:Sadly... by rincebrain · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No, but neither do most researchers.

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    2. Re:Sadly... by rincebrain · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Damn, apparently my reply button missed? I don't really think so, but Slashdot disagrees.

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      It's only an insult if it's not true.
  8. Generated girlfriend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Accepted."

  9. Crossing the doctor with buzzword bingo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    When asked to comment on the news story, the paper's author is quoted as saying: "How does Software-Generated Paper Accepted At IEEE Conference make you feel?"

    1. Re:Crossing the doctor with buzzword bingo... by X0563511 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Oh, I don't know about Software-Generated Paper. Can you tell me about it?"

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    2. Re:Crossing the doctor with buzzword bingo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would it mean to you if I told you about it?

      Captcha: hardness.

    3. Re:Crossing the doctor with buzzword bingo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Reply hazy, try again."

    4. Re:Crossing the doctor with buzzword bingo... by LarsG · · Score: 1

      Upon which the reporter followed up with: "Are such questions much on your mind?"

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    5. Re:Crossing the doctor with buzzword bingo... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm just a simple computer program, don't expect too much.

  10. Re:third by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had to fail

  11. Your paradigm complements the understatement by freshfromthevat · · Score: 2, Funny

    As we seek the preponderance of false results loosely coupling the precipitate with the bandwidth, we limit latency at all costs.

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  12. Nothing new by gzipped_tar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Scigen

    Does this program pass the Turing Test?

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    1. Re:Nothing new by Iamthecheese · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I should think that journal peer review, done properly, is a far better turing test.

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    2. Re:Nothing new by rincebrain · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      No, but neither do most researchers, so it's okay.

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    3. Re:Nothing new by funfail · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      If you are a random post generator, your random seed is exploitable:

      http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1072087&cid=26220663

    4. Re:Nothing new by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

      No, there has to be a conversation between two interlocutors for it to apply as a Turing test. I guess it would fail miserably, after all, it just generates likely sentences :
      Program : The Markovian pattern of the sequence implies the monotony of the problem
      Reviewer : What do you mean by "Markovian pattern" ? and How does it imply monotony ?
      Program : This can be answered by doing an inverse transformation of the semantic graph
      Reviewer : Are you trying to bullshit me a la Sokal ?
      Program : No, the Kullback-Leibler divergence of the problem can prove that.
      Reviewer : Nice try, smart-ass.

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    5. Re:Nothing new by neuraxon77 · · Score: 1

      No. I asked and it said: "Scheme and the Turing machine, while compelling in theory, have not until recently been considered significant."[1] Apparently it's not self-aware: It's written in Perl and not Scheme. :) [1] http://apps.pdos.lcs.mit.edu/scicache/315/scimakelatex.75855.Zebigneow.html

    6. Re:Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats what she said, and next time ill be more careful who I generate my post in front of.

    7. Re:Nothing new by KangKong · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, it just managed to be passed off as a scientist, which is a whole lot easier than being passed off as a normal human.

    8. Re:Nothing new by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      You're assuming that the reviewer actually does things like ask questions about the paper. There's a lot of ego in academia, and people tend to try to appear omniscient while reviewing, whether they know what the paper is talking about or not.

      It's a screwed up system.

    9. Re:Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it doesn't. Just by reading the paper you can realize whatever (in this case the software) created is not intelligence.

    10. Re:Nothing new by tylerni7 · · Score: 1

      Not really.
      Most of these papers just have an outline and the right parts of speech filled in, which is really easy to do. They probably just generated random ones until they found one that sounds correct.

      The Turing Test, however, requires that the program is able to understand what someone says and construct a response to it that makes sense. To do that really well, one needs an artificial intelligence of some sort.

      The paper generator would just spit out random papers every time it ran, and wouldn't take any input at all.

    11. Re:Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would the ACM journal pass the reverse Turing test? Can you tell the papers were written by sentient beings?

    12. Re:Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you?

    13. Re:Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, the software does not know it's humans writing?

  13. NSFW by Stoutlimb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The links from the wikipedia article aren't quite safe for work. Anyone watching the short film Der Schlangemann at work should at least turn down the volume, or not watch at all. Lucky for me my boss would probably just laugh.

    1. Re:NSFW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The links from the wikipedia article aren't quite safe for work.

      So edit the Wikipedia article and tag them as such there. The link provided by Slashdot is safe.

    2. Re:NSFW by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      The links from the wikipedia article aren't quite safe for work. Anyone watching the short film Der Schlangemann at work should at least turn down the volume, or not watch at all. Lucky for me my boss would probably just laugh.

      You know, if you're concerned about accidentally finding something on the net that would alert your boss to the fact that you don't actually do anything, and/or get you in trouble, you could try doing some work and waiting till you get home to surf....

      Besides, it's about a doll with a changeable penis size. How safe for work did you think it should be?

    3. Re:NSFW by NinthAgendaDotCom · · Score: 1

      Work at work? You must be new here.

      But seriously. Most modern white collar jobs have downtime.

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    4. Re:NSFW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here's the link of course!
      Der Schlangemann

    5. Re:NSFW by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      I guess it all depends who you work for and what you do....

    6. Re:NSFW by TechForensics · · Score: 2, Informative

      You do know "Der Schlange" is a German euphemism for "prick", don't you? "Der Schlange" = "The Serpent" = Trouser Snake.

      Adds a little dimension of humor, nicht wahr?

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    7. Re:NSFW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding. Where I work we don't even get Internet access at our desks ... we have to go out in the hall and use a shared Internet station. Yeah, yeah, I know, weird. So we're more productive in one way (no screwing around on Slashdot or Youtube) and much less productive in another way (no access to development information or technical data that we need.) It's bloody frustrating, let me tell you.

  14. This is an Automated Response by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ***THIS IS AN AUTOMATED RESPONSE***

    So I am really getting a kick out of these replies.

  15. In Soviet Russia.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I For One.. Do not welcome our new computer-generated overlords.

    ... our new computer-generated overlords do not welcome you.

    1. Re:In Soviet Russia.... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 0

      Huh...? We're in Soviet Russia?

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    2. Re:In Soviet Russia.... by soilheart · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

    3. Re:In Soviet Russia.... by google · · Score: 1

      You must be new here.

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  16. For those who can't access the paper..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This paper is total gibberish. You only need to scan the first couple of lines to see its gibberish. Then, as you move down you find highly plausible sentances, like "We added 300 FPUs to our mobile telephones.". The diagrams and graphs are idiotic. Interestingly, they didn't throw in a mass of exotic looking equations.

  17. What, again? by arrenlex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Again? Didn't they come out with software to detect this sort of thing last time it happened?

    1. Re:What, again? by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes, but the computer-generated reviewers can't get that software as a package for their distro.

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  18. Why is this shocking? by binpajama · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The last time I checked, there were more than half a million papers on arxiv. The number of scientific papers in the world is increasing with the rate of increase in researchers looking for jobs, not with the rate at which problems are being discovered or solved.

    Since the currency of the research community is number of publications, and since administrative sections of universities have little or no competence in judging an academic's competence save statistics on papers published, why is it surprising to find that people publish low-quality work?

    I am reminded of the joke about string theory, `The number of papers in string theory is increasing faster than the speed of light. This is not a problem, though, since no information is actually transferred.'

    1. Re:Why is this shocking? by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Since the number of problem-solvers is independent of the number of problems, and problem-solvers can examine multiple solutions to the same problem, along with a limited range of solutions for many problems, you can expect the number of publications to exceed the number of problems and the number of problem-solvers. However, you are correct that merely increasing the quantity of papers (which is all the current rules do) will cause the quality to suffer. The total thought put in to N papers over a period of time t cannot exceed the total amount of thought the brain can output over time t.

      Sure, natural multitaskers will be able to better exploit the total amount of thought the brain can exploit when N exceeds 1, but if N exceeds their threshold, the quality suffers. For the rest of humanity, where single-tasking is the rule, N absolutely has to be 1.

      Current funding rules for academia and research labs mean that quantity is profitable, quality is not. That is exactly the wrong way to get any real work done and is partly why papers on hyperdilution and test-tube cold fusion are serious money-spinners. They take no effort to write, get cited lots (even if by debunkers - doesn't matter, since funding is a function of the absolute number of citations and not by whether the citing papers agree), and grab the attention of potential external sponsors who couldn't tell a good paper from a confetti'd dingo's kidneys.

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    2. Re:Why is this shocking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why is this shocking?

      1) Because a completely gibberish paper was reviewed and accepted by human reviewers, who presumably have expertise in computer science.

      2) Because IEEE is an old, respected organization that sponsors respectable CS conferences (e.g., FOCS).

    3. Re:Why is this shocking? by Lars512 · · Score: 1

      However, you are correct that merely increasing the quantity of papers (which is all the current rules do) will cause the quality to suffer. The total thought put in to N papers over a period of time t cannot exceed the total amount of thought the brain can output over time t.

      Mod parent up.

      I've heard people talk about an MPU (Minimum Publishable Unit). Essentially you can only do so much work in the year. But, you don't get credit on your work directly, instead it's indirect through publications. If you can correctly determine your MPU, you're maximising the credit you get by submitting new papers with minimally acceptable incremental improvement over past papers.

      Does this increase in papers increase the actual contribution? No. It's just a natural response to the way academic success is measured. I haven't heard anyone come up with a better way yet though.

    4. Re:Why is this shocking? by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

      The second page of the paper mentioned something about "... 2GHz Intel 386s ....."

      Anyone who have some knowledge of building their own computer will reject this paper.

  19. Decoupling Vacuum Tubes from Web Services ... by angrydotnerd · · Score: 1

    Title: Decoupling Vacuum Tubes from Web Services in Evolutionary Programming

    Author: Hans Blitzkrieg

    Abstract: Redundancy and operating systems, while confirmed in theory, have not until recently been considered intuitive. We leave out these algorithms for now. After years of theoretical research into DHCP [1], we verify the exploration of B-trees, which embodies the appropriate principles of networking [2]. In our research we use game-theoretic algorithms to disprove that SMPs and write-back caches are always incompatible.

  20. It makes me wonder... by RyoShin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...does this mean that those who are supposed to review such things are either incompetent or don't bother with their job, or that many "professional science" papers are actually pure bullshit, so you can't tell the difference?

    1. Re:It makes me wonder... by Gribflex · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I took a grad level course at the end of my degree in which the prof tried to subtly communicate this to the grad students.

      Each week we had to read and write a short review on a paper that had been peer reviewed and accepted into some CS or Eng journal somewhere. The topics were pretty broad, but all had something to do with the internet, or communication (the focus of the course).

      At the end of the course, the professor revealed that he had purposely selected papers such that one third were considered today to be 'good' papers, one third were considered to be valid, but poorly written, and one third were considered to be pure bunk but well written.

      He then posted a graph showing how people commented on each of the papers.

      Not surprisingly, nearly every student reviewed all of the papers in a positive light.

      I'm pretty sure that the professor was trying to teach a bit humility to the grad students. He also succeeded in proving "...that those who are supposed to review [the papers] are either incompetent or don't bother with their job, or that many "professional science" papers are actually pure bullshit, so you can't tell the difference?"

    2. Re:It makes me wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...does this mean that those who are supposed to review such things are either incompetent or don't bother with their job, or that many "professional science" papers are actually pure bullshit, so you can't tell the difference?

      It means that reviewers are not doing their job. Just by reading the abstract you can notice that the paper is nonsense.

    3. Re:It makes me wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Not surprisingly, nearly every student reviewed all of the papers in a positive light.

      I'm pretty sure that the professor was trying to teach a bit humility to the grad students. He also succeeded in proving "...that those who are supposed to review [the papers] are either incompetent or don't bother with their job, or that many "professional science" papers are actually pure bullshit, so you can't tell the difference?"

      This is a result of social conditioning more than anything else. A student is told by a professor to rank something that has apparently been accepted by the scientific community. Do you really think students are going to upset the apple cart? This isn't the 60s. They believe as does everybody else that if those in the know put their stamp of approval on it, then it must be good. If we don't see the greatness in it, then there's something wrong with us.

      They, you, and I also believe that the USDA is going to save us from tainted meat and that songs that make it to number 1 on the charts are musically superior to those that don't, and the best literature in world is published by the New Yorker.

    4. Re:It makes me wonder... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the difference is?

  21. kind-of IEEE by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is kind-of an IEEE conference. There are core IEEE conferences, which are run by the IEEE, which this isn't. Then there are other conferences (lots of them), which the IEEE sponsors in one way or another, and indexes the proceedings of. They often see the latter as a free (or at least cheap) way of getting their name associated with something that might take off. On the other hand, as this shows, it can get their name associated in the other sort of manner as well.

    This seems to be a conference in China that was just founded, which leads me to believe the IEEE (like many stock investors) was duped in a rush to get their foot in the door of the Next Big Thing In China.

    Lots of organizations do something vaguely like that, although the IEEE does seem to be worse than most. Even if you look only at their own, "branded" journals (IEEE Transactions on Foo), they seem to be founding new ones ever other week, which range in quality all the way from well respected in their field, to kooky. If they aren't careful, they're going to start getting an Elsevier-level reputation.

  22. Poster session by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looking at the linked PDF of the conference proceedings, this was actually only accepted to a poster session. Hundreds of papers were accepted to be presented at the poster session, generally without much review.

    As far as session chairing goes, that's just a organizational title for the person who introduces the speakers and makes sure they don't run over time, etc. (i.e. a thankless menial task imposed on conference attendees).

  23. Not a robot conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually, if you look at the details, this "paper" was accepted into the poster session for the conference. I've been on enough technical program committees to know that the standards for poster acceptance vary quite wildly.

    At some conferences, acceptance is done first and then papers are sorted into posters and presentations purely on the basis of what mode is most suitable to the material.

    In others conferences, all the rejected papers are automatically accepted as posters. Why? Because conferences have expenses and to recover expenses they need attendees. Many institutions only pay for travel and registration if their employees have papers accepted at the event. So, to allow people to attend, they have to accept more papers than they might want to. With the rise of for-profit conference organizing companies, there is even a profit motive in some cases.

    There is a vigorous debate within the IEEE whether such "pity accept" papers should be allowed into IEEE Xplore -- the long term archive of papers maintained for posterity. The decision is left to the conference organizers with the idea that including obvious junk in the archive actually has relatively low social cost since nobody would ever cite it or rely on it. So who cares. Others are embarrassed to have such crap in the company of more important work.

    1. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by LaskoVortex · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, if you look at the details, this "paper" was accepted into the poster session for the conference.

      Most poster sessions consist of abstracts that are *rejected* for a speaking slot. They usually don't need to pass any more muster than to be properly formatted. A stylesheet takes care of that--no AI needed. The final say after rejection for a speaking slot basically comes down to an administrative assistant's being able to know which side is up and to have enough room in the left margin for binding. The idea is that a poster session attendee will have a liver presenter in front of the poster to explain the poorly written abstract.

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    2. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by ubrgeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While I haven't reviewed abstracts for conferences, I have reviewed them as part of my IEEE membership in the Computing Society. While there are some lax reviewers (I'm guessing that happens in all groups which accept papers, but I can only speak to the one to which I belong) the majority of peer review is quite tight, with what I would imagine are such a number of comments that the author might feel daunted in making changes.

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    3. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by Hays · · Score: 5, Informative

      It shouldn't have just been denied an oral presentation, it should have been caught by the program committee and never reviewed. You can't read 3 sentences of that abstract without knowing that it's garbage.

      Presumably someone DID review this and deny it an oral, but didn't follow up with the program committee to make sure it was pulled entirely.

      I've never been to a conference which pity accepts papers. CVPR, a IEEE conference on computer vision, has a 25% acceptance rate for posters. I think this paper is quite an embarrassment to IEEE.

    4. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by Kindaian · · Score: 1

      The issue is the creation of meaningless and junk science all over tainting the archives with crap and reducing visibility of the true innovative papers... When will a "generated" paper will be awarded the nobel prize?

    5. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1

      How does presenting the liver help?

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    6. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by Chrondeath · · Score: 5, Funny

      How does presenting the liver help?

      It lets you see whether the author was a career alcoholic, or just drunk for that one paper.

    7. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by shadow349 · · Score: 0, Troll

      When will a "generated" paper will be awarded the nobel prize?

      Been there, done that.

    8. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by Bootsy+Collins · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It shouldn't have just been denied an oral presentation, it should have been caught by the program committee and never reviewed. You can't read 3 sentences of that abstract without knowing that it's garbage.

      Presumably someone DID review this and deny it an oral, but didn't follow up with the program committee to make sure it was pulled entirely.

      I've never been to a conference which pity accepts papers. CVPR, a IEEE conference on computer vision, has a 25% acceptance rate for posters. I think this paper is quite an embarrassment to IEEE.

      Meh. As others have noted, it was for a poster session. This conference isn't in my field, but at the conferences I've been to in my field (astronomy and astrophysics), pretty much anything gets accepted for poster sessions. At AAS meetings, I've seen particularly wacky posters in extragalactic astronomy and cosmology all clumped together in a kind of ghetto; and back when I was a grad student, during free time between oral sessions or at the end of the day, someone among my friends and I would say "hey, let's go look at the crazy stuff" and we'd take a look at the posters about space potatoes or the Plutonium Atom Totality or whatever. On occasion, I've even seen oral sessions -- typically one of the last ones on the last day -- devoted to something like "Speculative Ideas in Cosmology" with some of the nuttier talks tucked in there (as well as ones which are almost certainly wrong, but aren't in the same league of crazy as we're talking about, unfortunately).

    9. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by D+Ninja · · Score: 5, Funny

      Presumably someone DID review this and deny it an oral, but didn't follow up with the program committee to make sure it was pulled entirely.

      Sounds like my attempts to get laid last night!

      Ba dum tsh! I'll be here all week! Try the veal!

    10. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by rite_m · · Score: 1

      But what explains the fictional author being chosen as a session chair?

    11. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by bluie- · · Score: 1

      mod parent up!

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    12. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by bendodge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For you lazy folks, here's the garbage abstract:

      Recent advances in cooperative technology and classical communication are based entirely on the assumption that the Internet and active networks are not in conflict with object-oriented languages. In fact, few information theorists would disagree with the visualization of DHTs that made refining and possibly simulating 8 bitarchitectures a reality, which embodies the compelling principles of electrical engineering. In this work we better understand how digital-to-analog converters can be applied to the development of e-commerce.

      The paper was generated by the SCIgen project at MIT. According to , the program is meant to generate garbage.

      Our aim here is to maximize amusement, rather than coherence. One useful purpose for such a program is to auto-generate submissions to conferences that you suspect might have very low submission standards.

      When I read the Slashdot summary, I totally missed the point. The point is that some MIT folks have created a garbage paper generator and are mocking the 2008 International Conference on Computer Science and Software Engineering.

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    13. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, this really depends strongly on the research area, and the conference. At some conferences, what you say is true; at others, having a poster is selective but not as good as a talk; at still others, having a poster is selective and prestigious.

      In general, people don't realize how greatly social conventions like this vary across research areas. Please don't generalize beyond what you are familiar with personally.

    14. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      I've been to a few. They can be pretty hilarious. Make sure it's somewhere interesting, preferably with a beach, though.

    15. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by illuminatedwax · · Score: 1

      Nope, 1 sentence is really all it takes, because the first sentence has this gem:

      "based entirely on the assumption that the Internet and active networks are not in conflict with object-oriented languages"

      This is like saying, "The American highway system is based entirely on the assumption that roads are not in conflict with CD players."

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    16. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by qwertysledge · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what angers me more, that people submit generated papers, or that the reviewers let it pass.

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    17. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I don't know what time difference one "space-potato" (in our time units) corresponds, but space difference (height) of one "space-potato" (in our length units) is 20 - 30 centimeters. (World side of this object should be observable by aid of scattering experiments. "Space-potato" does not lie on the edge of Universe.)"

      Aha! I have found a unit that google doesn't convert!

      I've contacted the developers to advise them that 1 space-potato is 25 centimeters plus-or-minus 20%.

      Were there any follow-ups to the space-potato research that ever uncovered what 1 space-potato in seconds would be? ...*googles*...

      Since I could not find anything, I have decided to undertake the task of answering this important question. Here is the abstract of my peer-reviewed paper on the topic:

      The size of a space-potato is determinable easily from first principles. How the timespan can be determined, however, has been heretofore unknown.
      In this paper, I will posit and develop two hypotheses.
      (1) A "space" potato, by name and thus nature, is opposite in constituency from a "non-space" or "real" potato, an object made out of particles with mass. Thus, it travels at c (speed of light), 3x10^10 cm/s. By direct conversion, a 25cm (+/- 20%) potato would be 8.33x10^-10 seconds (+/- 20%), or 0.667 to 1.000 nanoseconds. Clearly, this has important implications for nanotechnology.

      (2) The 20% is a measure of uncertainty. Clearly, from Heisenberg's well-known formula relating deviation of position and momentum (\Delta X \Delta P \ge {\hbar \over 2}), we have the corollary that the product of timespan (delta-T) and size (delta-X) cannot exceed the uncertainty in size over 2*hbar (formal proof of this is left as an exercise to the adventurous reader). This sets an obvious upper bound to the timespan of a space-potato. (I am currently seeking funding to discover the nature of the lower bound of the timespan with my project, Generalized Observations of Atomic Timespans for Space-potato Energy eXtrapolation. Please visit my website if you wish to be a giver; I am open to donations of all sizes, but my budget could really use some large input right now!)

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      The above abstract has been accepted for poster inclusion in the upcoming Cosmological Ontologies Conference. The author, Albert Unobtainium, Ph.D, is scheduled to present this poster on the last day of the conference.

    18. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by simplerThanPossible · · Score: 1

      > including obvious junk in the archive actually has relatively low social cost since nobody would ever cite it

      This reminds me of search engines pre-Google. One of the key goals of Page and Brin was to rank pages by relevance, so you could find your result easily; as opposed to returning a whole bunch of results with the one you wanted somewhere in there. Google was so successful in this, that the top ranked result was often-enough the one you wanted to justify the "I'm feeling lucky" button.

      Isn't a key function of a journal to rank papers by quality, and only include the good ones?

      Of course, PageRank was inspired by citation ranks of papers, and so this could work just as well. Except that we already have this (Citeseer, google etc) without journals.

      Is there an opportunity here for a good quality journal? It could be socially driven. It could be advertising supported. The only problem is that it won't help you get paid - but it will help for the purported purpose of academia: research and education.

    19. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IEEE has so many useless papers that its not going to make a difference. You know the ones i mean. The 2000'th paper to "we developed a XXX with these specs" kinda of paper. I always look at IEEE standards as a way that normal engineers doing normal work can get "R&D" papers published.

      Of course there is some good stuff in there. But its not the rule.

    20. Re:Not a robot conspiracy by orclevegam · · Score: 1

      Late response, but I'd like to point out that the SCIgen project has been around for quite a while (I remember seeing it something like 3 or 4 years ago and even then it wasn't "new"). Someone used the output of that and submitted it to a conference, which is probably not that rare an event, although it does take some balls to follow through with it.

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  24. Reminds me of the Sokal affair by NinthAgendaDotCom · · Score: 4, Informative

    Sokal, a professor of physics at New York University, submitted a paper for publication in Social Text, as an experiment to see if a journal in that field would, in Sokal's words: "publish an article liberally salted with nonsense if (a) it sounded good and (b) it flattered the editors' ideological preconceptions."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

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  25. What does this really say? by thinktech · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe the really pathetic thing about this story isn't the fake paper getting through, but rather the inane nature of the other real papers.

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  26. Yes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you get the memo about this?

    1. Re:Yes... by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      Did you get the memo about this?

      I pronounced that "meme-oh" in my mind...waaay too much /. for me...

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      Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure everything I just said is completely wrong.
    2. Re:Yes... by spazdor · · Score: 1

      It's short for meme-random.

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  27. The conference looks like formal.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to the conference website, here is a description, which is surpringly formal and looks like decent..

    [quote]
    This conference is sponsored by IEEE Computer Society, Wuhan University, University of California at Irvine and University of
    Wisconsin La Crosse. All papers accepted will be included in IEEE Xplore and indexed by EI.
    For more information, please contact: csse@highsci.org.
    [/endquote]

  28. CS is much more prolific by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

    A grad student wouldn't even be hired as a tenure-track professor with only 3 top-tier publications at most institutions in CS. This is partly because CS mainly uses a conference publication model, not a journal model: you distribute your work in 6- to 10-page bite-sized pieces. You might sometimes collect some of these into a 30-page journal article, but often people skip that step entirely (why bother re-writing-up your research when it's already out there in some form).

    A grad student looking to be competitive as a hire at a top-tier research university typically is expected to have 4-5 publications in top-tier conferences or journals (journals don't actually usually get more cache; in some areas, they get less). This is somewhat mitigated if you're in an area that only has one, very competitive top conference: so a graphics grad student obviously doesn't need 5 SIGGRAPH papers to be a competitive candidate. But an AI student should have a good smattering of AAAI and IJCAI papers, plus a few in the top tier conference of their specific area (ICML, IUI, AAMAS, etc.). A professor looking to get tenure at a top institution typically will have 10-30 publications at such venues.

    1. Re:CS is much more prolific by Nursie · · Score: 1

      Reading this I'm more glad than ever that I just did my undergraduate degree and then skipped out to industry.

    2. Re:CS is much more prolific by TJ_Phazerhacki · · Score: 1

      Why do you think the standards for entry are so high? They're trying to justify wasting that extra 2-4 years....

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    3. Re:CS is much more prolific by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Reading this I am more glad that I decided to go to grad school last year to avoid this entire economic tsunami. At least my paycheck is safe for a little while and continue to publish may be 100 papers a day to advance our scientific research.

  29. That gives a blow to IEEE credibility by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Funny
    If only the paper looked like a legitimate thesis... But reading the abstract makes it obvious it is a joke :

    Recent advances in cooperative technology and classical communication are based entirely on the assumption that the Internet and active networks are not in conflict with object-oriented languages. In fact, few information theorists would disagree with the visualization of DHTs that made refining and possibly simulating 8 bitarchitectures a reality, which embodies the compelling principles of electrical engineering. In this work we better understand how digital-to-analog converters can be applied to the development of e-commerce.

    The first person to show me how digital-to-analog converters can be applied to the development of e-commerce wins an Internet.

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    1. Re:That gives a blow to IEEE credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I just happen to have a digital-to-analog money converter right here. Send me your credit card number and I'll demonstrate it's usefulness.

    2. Re:That gives a blow to IEEE credibility by supersat · · Score: 1

      By the time dial-up Internet was available, the PSTN was being switched digitally. You couldn't connect to the Internet without going through a DAC. DACs continue to be a vital component in many Internet access techonologies, such as cable modems, DSL modems, and wifi NICs. In fact, given the difficulty of getting purely digital signals to go long distances, I'm not sure the Internet (at reasonable speeds) would have existed without DACs.

      So, I'm pretty sure DACs are essential to e-commerce.

    3. Re:That gives a blow to IEEE credibility by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      Interestingly, you've picked the once part of that paper which could be represented in reality.

      FedEx et al. are DACs with respect to changing the discreet values presented at Amazon.com and other on-line vendors (a form of distributed hash table, storing product characteristics in the object-oriented subsets of English and other human languages) into tangible products with continuous values reflected as utility for each user. It would be possible to analyse the different implementations with respect to the degree to which the presentation and interpolation of the digital data corresponds with the anticipated analog outputs (I suspect marketing already does this in the form of satisfaction surveys, etc.). Lancaster, Schmookler, Lane, Bourdieu, Latour and many others in the social sciences have worked for decades in this problem space, using a different set of vocabulary. Given that most humans have an L1 cache of approximately 7-10 attributes (phone number lengths, fingers), it would be plausible to simulate the purchasing behaviour of consumers based on presenting different assortments of information bits (Google Analytics allows webmasters to perform this type of experiment with page layout and such details on approximately 2 bits at a time).

      The anthropologist in me could probably write that paper and the simulation in about a week, but: a) it wouldn't be new (see affinity cards, supermarket shelf design); b) a competent pair of second-year CS or statistics or marketing students could write a much better paper on the same topic in a month or so; and c) it would not be a paper in the generally accepted fields of engineering.

      -M5B

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    4. Re:That gives a blow to IEEE credibility by francium+de+neobie · · Score: 1

      Congratulations man! You've just won an Internet! All the tubes are belong to you!

    5. Re:That gives a blow to IEEE credibility by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      My screen is a digital to analog converter. Now where's my Internet?

    6. Re:That gives a blow to IEEE credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    7. Re:That gives a blow to IEEE credibility by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      My screen is a digital to analog converter. Now where's my Internet?

      You're soaking in it... :p

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      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    8. Re:That gives a blow to IEEE credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Get certified by this same IEEE
      2. Develop DAC and put your "IEEE certified!!11" logo on it
      3. Use your DAC to churn out MB after MB of randomly generated words as their analog sound requirement
      4. Record the sound, and store the word used to generate it, all back in digital format
      5. Sell CAPTCHA system based on these data sets.
      6. People start using your captcha in e-commerce sites to ensure spammers aren't mass-registering bot accounts
      7. ???? (wait till people buy enough)
      8. Profit as e-commerce sites pay you for your DAC backend and data

    9. Re:That gives a blow to IEEE credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first person to show me how digital-to-analog converters can be applied to the development of e-commerce wins an Internet.

      I can answer that with one word: modem.

    10. Re:That gives a blow to IEEE credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about turning Paypal payments into real money?

  30. Paranoid by mnajem · · Score: 0

    This will hinder people from publishing through IEEE later on.

    1. Re:Paranoid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think so. IEEE has to offer much better conferences than that one. And for CSSE... well, I don't care.

  31. is this a quality conference? by kwikrick · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I do not personally know this conference, I've never attended or tried to get something published there. But I am a computer scientist, working in academia, and I always write my papers for conferences that are specific to my specialization (computer/graphics, CAD etc). This conference is so general in the topics that it accepts, I would expect the quality of papers (and therefore the review process) to be quite low. This is a conference you would send your paper to if you cannot get it accepted at a better conference.

    I think it would be much harder to get computer generated bla bla accepted at a conference on a specific topic.

    Why does IEEE sponsor such crap conferences? Because it's big business. Easy money. Other have said it here already: that's the problem with science these days, it's all about quantity, not quality. Hit your university board over the head with this stuff.

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  32. related, but somewhat different by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Informative

    These seem to be testing different things. One of Sokal's claims, which he intended to demonstrate, was that gibberish and "postmodernist" academic writing are indistinguishable, even by people in the field. This was done especially through the wordplay connections of e.g. the "axiom of choice" with pro-choice politics, which is a fairly common but kind of weird tactic in a certain subset of that milieu. He more or less demonstrated that claim by his experiment especially the fact that at least one of the journal editors, months later, refused to believe that it was actually a hoax: he suggested instead that Sokal had been pressured/embarrassed into retroactively claiming a legitimate paper was a hoax, in order to avoid ridicule by the conservative physics establishment.

    This paper, on the other hand, demonstrates a different academic flaw: the proliferation of low-quality, minimal-to-no-review computer-science conferences. It is quite likely that nobody actually read this paper, and that the conference was not really run as a legitimate attempt to foster academic discourse, but as a way to either get money for someone, or pad a CV line for some editors/organizers, or both.

    1. Re:related, but somewhat different by bytesex · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, but the effect is the same. A nonsense paper got accepted by a prestigious institution. The only thing that makes the mirror-image of this nerds-get-a-dose-of-their-own-medicine-hoax incomplete, is that it wasn't perpetrated by a professor of literature. But that's all. Gloating over the Sokal affair by science students is from now on off-limits, you could say.

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  33. Could tell from the abstract by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I could tell from the abstract that this is utter bullshit. Were the reviewers on crack, or did they have a quota to fill? (Or both?)

    I think the scientific publishing needs a major revolution!

  34. Official Review Comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    .. was found on Wikipedia and is really awesome. It seems that somebody with no idea about computer science wrote this.

    "This paper presents cooperative technology and classical Communication. In conclusion, the result shows that though the much-touted amphibious algorithm for the refinement of randomized algorithms is impossible, the well-known client-server algorithm for the analysis of voice-over- IP by Kumar and Raman runs in _(n) time. The authors can clearly identify important features of visualization of DHTs and analyze them insightfully. It is recommended that the authors should develop ideas more cogently, organizes them more logically, and connects them with clear transitions"

    1. Re:Official Review Comment by motze2000 · · Score: 1

      Haha, if that is the real review than the entire conference must be rubbish

  35. Normal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All respectable conferences may accept by accident a few bad papers.

    Professor Nagib Callaos

    1. Re:Normal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes... "bad" papers might slip through... but, excuse me, such a "bullshit paper" should definitely be identified and rejected by the TPC!

  36. Review system flawed by zbharucha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am so glad that someone has gone ahead and done this to expose what an embarrassment the IEEE review system really is. A few months ago, I submitted a paper to the Wireless Communications and Networking Conference (http://www.ieee-wcnc.org/) which is also an IEEE conference. Since I had entered my research interests and since I had submitted a paper here, naturally I was also assigned some papers to review. Most of the papers I got were of extremely poor quality. By that I mean that besides the content being absolute rubbish, the authors could not even make their papers to conform to submission standards. In contrast, the paper we had written had gone through 4 stages of internal review and aside from me (the PhD student), the other three authors were very respected members of the community. I am not lying when I say that our paper was several orders of magnitude better than any of the ones I was given to review. Yet, when the deadline of notification for acceptance came, our paper had been rejected. All of us were shell-shocked when we saw the reviews. Three of the reviewers had not written a single comment but had just given haphazard grades. One of the reviewers seemed to be pissed off for some reason. I quote: "this paper is lying" was one of his scientific opinions of our paper. Out of 7 reviews, only one contained comments that were coherent, to the point and sensible. Another thing is that you can see when the reviewer was assigned the paper and when he reviewed it. Three of my reviewers literally took around 2 minutes to review my paper. How can you assess months of someone's work in 2 minutes. It just makes me so angry thinking about it! The problem with IEEE conferences is that they receive so many papers that the academics who are assigned to review them delegate them to their PhD and master's students. PhD students are fine, but anything lower than that is a complete travesty. The system itself is fundamentally flawed. If they could just reject papers that do not conform to the submission guidelines, IEEE could save themselves at least a third of the work. This way, people would have less papers to review thus being able to give each paper more of their attention. After all, this is someone's career here.

    1. Re:Review system flawed by philipgar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First, you sound bitter from a bad experience with one particular IEEE conference. Every IEEE conference is different, and the IEEE is just a society that sponsors some of the conferences in the field, and doesn't necessarily perform quality control on them. That is handled by the conference organizers themselves, and better conferences tend to have better quality control. The people in the field should know which are the better conferences.

      Second, the fact that you reviewed a couple really awful papers has little bearing on whether your paper will be accepted or not. Now, if you could claim that these awful papers got accepted, while yours was rejected, you might have something to say. But if those papers were also rejected, your statements about them have absolutely no merit.

      Also, sometimes you get bad luck with reviewers. You might get reviewers who think the entire premise behind your research is crap, or ones who don't like your group for whatever reason. Sometimes you get one who just happened to be having a bad day, and wanted to find fault with your paper. The hope is that with enough reviewers, it is unlikely that you will get only crappy reviewers. If that does happen, I'm sorry, try again. Also, don't put too much stock in the timestamps given. Those could have been modified for any number of reasons. It's highly unlikely that a reviewer would submit final reviews 2 minutes after getting the paper. Chances are good they'd save the paper, and wait a few weeks before looking at them right before the deadline. The only time I'd spend 2 minutes reviewing a paper is if it was either a) Completely unreadable (like the computer generated gibberish), or b) it was obviously plagiarizing other papers. In those cases, it isn't worth more than 2 minutes of my time to give it a valid review.

      Hopefully next time you have better luck with reviewers, in my experience I tend to get some informed comments back on my papers that can help guide changes I want to make whether it gets accepted or not.

      Phil

    2. Re:Review system flawed by zbharucha · · Score: 1

      Hi Phil, Thanks for your reply. You're damn right that I'm bitter. Everyone's had a paper rejected before. That's the very reason that they have reviews - so that someone can give you critical feedback which you can use to improve your work. I understand this and I welcome it. What I cannot tolerate is 3 reviewers returning blank feedback forms. TrackChair, which seems to handle most of these IEEE conferences, specifically asks you whether you want to review the paper or not. This is the first step you must complete before you can even see the review form. If these reviewers had been having a bad day or were extremely busy, they had every right in the world to simply refuse to review the paper. I have no beef with reviewers who give negative (yet constructive/helpful) feedback. This is, as I said before, the purpose of the review system. The point I was trying to make with the badly formatted, academically rubbish papers is that IEEE should simply not be accepting them in the system in the first place. It is not very difficult to have a script check whether the submission conforms to the pre-defined standards or not. Having a simple sieve like this in place will prevent the really bad papers from entering the system. From my experience, most of the papers containing really bad research stems from these non-conformant papers. The review system is in place for papers that match the submission guidelines but are still of poor quality. Perhaps the reviewers got fed up of reading dozens of papers (this fall season alone, I got assigned around 15 papers, most of them rubbish, around 3 of them of very good quality) and when they got to mine, they couldn't care less. This should not happen. That's all I was trying to say.

    3. Re:Review system flawed by Lars512 · · Score: 1

      Also, sometimes you get bad luck with reviewers. You might get reviewers who think the entire premise behind your research is crap, or ones who don't like your group for whatever reason.

      Try submitting to a conference for blind review where you get to rebut your reviewers comments before they make an accept or reject decision. It's a much more pleasant experience, and really improves the whole process.

      Often reviewers will fundamentally misunderstand a paper's contribution, if it's from an area very different from their own. But in that case, you get to set them straight *and* redraft your paper a little to make it clearer. If their criticisms weren't fundamental flaws, there's a good chance you'll then be accepted.

    4. Re:Review system flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Three of my reviewers literally took around 2 minutes to review my paper. How can you assess months of someone's work in 2 minutes.

      Man... the same happens to me at the ICC. The same history (I am also a PHD Student, I also put my work in the same internal review process exactly as you... and get the same type of review...)

    5. Re:Review system flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The IEEE review system" isn't some cohesive entity, but the people involved with each particular conference (and, as others have noted, this wasn't even an IEEE conference, but one they sponsored, perhaps unwisely). As with any group of people - especially people who view their conference duties as a low priority - it's going to have its flaws. It is the job of the editors who assign reviewers to sort those out. One bad editor (out of dozens) and you'll see many good papers rejected and/or bad papers accepted. And even good editors have their flaws.

      My first conference submission was to the IEEE in an area in which there's one huge conference with a better-than-even acceptance rate and one prestige journal with far fewer articles per year than the conference. The conference is viewed as "just a conference," while the journal is considered the top in its field (not just its specialty). My conference submission was rejected; however, when I mentioned it to one of the conference folks who knew me, he took a look at it and said I should appeal; I did, and it was accepted. (Subsequently, I've had seven papers accepted at the conference and one rejection, a rejection that became an acceptance the next year.) By contrast, when I submitted the paper to the journal, it was accepted. (Contrast this with a rejection rate of about two out of every three papers I subsequently submitted.) So I know well the arbitrary nature of the review process.

      That said, the story of your paper review might have some aspects you don't know about. For example, you say that it was only examined for two minutes by two reviewers, based on the timestamps. However, in some systems, it's easy to download a paper before agreeing to review it. If they agreed to review it only after reading the paper, that explains your two-minute turn-around. Also, it's a bit unfair to compare the quality of your paper with papers you reviewed unless you know that those papers, unlike yours, were accepted.

  37. aaaahhhhhhh clippy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is there anything you can't do?

  38. Valid presentation by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    The event will in part about the latest development in artificial intelligence, and that paper could be a good (or very bad) sample on that topic.

    Or at least what an artificial intelligence (or natural stupidity) have to say about it.

  39. Of Course by Mr_Nitro · · Score: 1

    To me this is a clear result of the topic picked itself, as all the 'e-commerce'.. and commerce in general , is just vapor... smelly ideas to support the wealth of few, so it's not uncommon that a totally fake (you could easily spot it from the abstract...- polygen anyone?) and meaningless text is a perfectly good 'biz talk' for these 'experts'. Humanity should move ahead....

  40. IEEE Transactions on Software-Generated Papers by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Funny

    Even if you look only at their own, "branded" journals (IEEE Transactions on Foo), they seem to be founding new ones ever other week, which range in quality all the way from well respected in their field, to kooky.

    Don't criticize it, legalize it. Why not have an IEEE conference on Software-Generated Papers?

    It may sound wacky, but it will probably solicit plenty of entries.

    Hmmm ... so then the peer reviewers would also have to be Software-Generated. And Software-Generated attendees?

    I can see the host convention center manager saying, "These computer folks seem to get kookier every day."

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    1. Re:IEEE Transactions on Software-Generated Papers by VeryLargeNumber · · Score: 0

      I plan to send human-generated paper to such conference, to see if it gets accepted.

  41. Footnote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you notice the footnote in the original PDF document? "This work was supported by the automatic CS paper generator". Right next to the IEEE computer society logo... *lol*

  42. No, really, c'mon! by JamesP · · Score: 4, Funny

    It is enough to check the abstract (or better, just its last phrease is enough):

    Recent advances in cooperative technology and classical communication are based entirely on the assumption that the Internet and active networks are not in conflict with object-oriented languages. In fact, few information theorists would disagree with the visualization of DHTs that made refining and possibly simulating 8 bitarchitectures a reality, which embodies the compelling principles of electrical engineering. In this work we better understand how digital-to-analog converters can be applied to the development of e-commerce.

    Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

    HOW DA CONVERTERS CAN BE APPLIED TO E-COMMERCE?!?!?!?

    For the layman, this abstract reads like this: "We know that corn dogs are built with the assumption that Obama is the next president of the US and not of China. In fact, most scholars believe that children should not be given a lawn mower in school. Now we study how banana peels can be used to paint your house"

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    1. Re:No, really, c'mon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "We know that corn dogs are built with the assumption that Obama is the next president of the US and not of China. In fact, most scholars believe that children should not be given a lawn mower in school. Now we study how banana peels can be used to paint your house"

      James, Your thesis is intriguing. Would you consider speaking at our conference? Sincerely, 2008 International Conference on Computer Science and Software Engineering (CSSE) Committee.

    2. Re:No, really, c'mon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that you could possibly use banana peels to paint a house. More like how we could use a trailer to paint a house.

    3. Re:No, really, c'mon! by Coopjust · · Score: 1

      Modding to tell you that:
      A) I found that both hilarious and true.
      and
      B) I accidentally modded you overrated, sorry. Replying to undo the mistake.

  43. IEEE Xplore by VeryLargeNumber · · Score: 0

    In other news, lots of similarly-sounding websites were replaced by computer-generated webpages:
    http://ieeexplore.com/
    http://ieeexplorer.com/
    http://ieeeexplorer.com/
    http://ieexplore.com/
    etc...

    Seems lots of professors have "search toolbars" installed on their computers:) My prof has two of them(!).
    You would expect researchers are aware of that sort of stuff, but I have seen SmileyCentral installed on a seniour researcher's PC.

  44. Um .... it's a conference! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since when is the "review" of the abstracts sent to conferences in any way rigorous? And when it comes to selecting session chairs it is usually a question of finding someone who is willing to do that chore, rather than some great distinction.

    It's a big "so what". Skynet isn't on its way until the program can submit a paper to a respected journal and get it accepted *and* respond to critical comments on it.

    Look, I've been on plenty of conference review committees. If the submission isn't flagrantly bogus, and there's an open time slot, it will probably get accepted. On the whole, allowing people to speak -- even if their ideas are a bit controversial or perhaps poorly presented -- is preferred. Conferences don't *want* to reject papers. But it will probably be placed at the end of the session it it looks weak. If it is a busy conference with too many submissions, then they will probably get put in a poster session before getting rejected. It's not like they're passing a difficult challenge here.

    Besides, I've seen some pretty awful papers presented at conferences that probably should have been rejected, and those were by humans.

    1. Re:Um .... it's a conference! by davidgay · · Score: 1

      "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing" - not all conferences work as you describe.

  45. Nuturing young researchers by edwinolson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here's another factor to consider: skilled scientists do not appear out of the ether. Nor do they emerge fully formed from the head of Zeus. More often than not, they're smart (but inexperienced) young folks. They may not be native English speakers, either.

    Workshops and conferences can fill a nurturing role. Poster sessions play a big role: a little encouragement and hopefully some productive feedback during the session will help them become better researchers. Of course, recognizing substantial research contributions is extremely important, but the two goals are not in conflict.

    (slightly off-topic rant): The press likes to complain about how millions of dollars go to fund "ridiculous" research... like studying the DNA of bears in Alaska. From their depiction, you might think the money was being distributed to the bears by being covered with honey and shoved into hollowed trees. No, that money is going to fund graduate students, creating the next generation of researchers who will be there to drive our technology forward. The study of bear DNA might actually be really interesting, but even if it turns out to be unremarkable, those dollars still helped produce new researchers.

    1. Re:Nuturing young researchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't nutur young researchers, it's hard enough staying ahead as an old researcher - even with decreasing libido.

  46. China? by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Any coincidence that the unintelligible paper submitted from CHINA got accepted? Is the West so culturally biased against itself that it throws out good judgement?

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  47. Time for a law suit by Theovon · · Score: 1

    I'm serious. I've had three papers rejected by IEEE, and they except one that came out of a hidden markov model? That seriously pisses me off.

    1. Re:Time for a law suit by mabu · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm serious. I've had three papers rejected by IEEE, and they except one that came out of a hidden markov model? That seriously pisses me off.

      I think we know why your paper was rejected.

    2. Re:Time for a law suit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it must suck to suck. bwahahahahahaha!

  48. Paywall by autophile · · Score: 1

    I guess this is one of those times I'm glad IEEE has a paywall.

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  49. hardly the only thing that makes it different by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another thing that makes it different is that this is a no-name startup conference in China with editors and a program committee nobody has ever heard of, whereas Sokal got his paper accepted to a well-known journal in the field, edited by some of its luminaries. If this paper had gotten accepted to say, Communications of the ACM, and fooled Donald Knuth into thinking it was genuine, it would've been more analogous.

  50. Re:proving my point...Really? by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

    er.. where do you get this stat of 'around 500 papers'? In what field(s)? Over what time period? As an example, Steven Weinberg, a nobel physicist has 211 papers listed in the SPIRES database. He got his PhD in 1957. This is not to say that SPIRES is the all encompassing authority on his published papers, but is is likely to be reasonably close.

  51. Not true AI by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

    It seems we have a candidate that has passed the Turing test. This work was judged as being of human origin by a panel of experts, to the point of invitation. Is this a failure of academia, the test or humanity in general?

    1. Re:Not true AI by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      read the abstract, it's a failure of people to understand basic technical jargon.

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    2. Re:Not true AI by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

      It seems we have a candidate that has passed the Turing test. This work was judged as being of human origin by a panel of experts, to the point of invitation. Is this a failure of academia, the test or humanity in general?

      I think the answer, in this case, is clearly "academia."

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  52. Obligatory paprika by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    Obligatory paprika

    e whirlwind of recycled paper was a sight to see. It was like computer graphics. That I don't support Technicolor parfaits and snobby petit bourgeois is common knowledge in Oceania! Now is the time to return home to the blue sky! The confetti will dance around the shrine gates. The mailbox and the refrigerator will lead the way! Anyone who cares about expiration dates will not get in the way of the glory train! They need to fully realize the liver of the triangle rulers! Now, this festival was decided by the third grade class with the telephoto camera! Move forward! Come together! I am the ultimate governor!

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  53. I have to ask by ghislain_leblanc · · Score: 1

    How terribally bad were the legitimate papers that got rejected?

    1. Re:I have to ask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AFAIK, "IEEE sponsoring" requires a certain rejection quota which is 50% I believe. So I don't know, either CSSE did not take care of that at all or ...well... it seems I can't imagine how bad a paper can really be!

      BTW, often this is not about sponsoring in its usual meaning. In fact, you have to pay if you want to promote your conference as "IEEE sponsored"...

  54. CSSE is NOT an important conference by sela · · Score: 1

    And most likely, this paper was never peer reviewed before accepting it to the conference.

    I tried to find out some info about CSSE, and apparently the 2008 conference was the first conference ever. This conference takes place in China, and even though it calls itself an "international conference", it is not very international, and most presenters are either from china or a neighboring country.

    Furthermore, it has a very wide list of subjects, too wide ... probably any subject in computer science. It close to impossible to get reviewers for one conference that would be qualified to review any possible subject.

    My guess is: this conference was either not reviewed at all, or its review process was a joke and everything got accepted (probably less submissions than what they expected). I've looked at the paper and it is sufficient to read the abstract in order to understand this paper is a fake.

    1. Re:CSSE is NOT an important conference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually there was a "real" review process at the CSSE conference, here is the official review comment:

      "This paper presents cooperative technology and classical Communication. In conclusion, the result shows that though the much-touted amphibious algorithm for the refinement of randomized algorithms is impossible, the well-known client-server algorithm for the analysis of voice-over- IP by Kumar and Raman runs in _(n) time. The authors can clearly identify important features of visualization of DHTs and analyze them insightfully. It is recommended that the authors should develop ideas more cogently, organizes them more logically, and connects them with clear transitions"

      (found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCIgen)

  55. Mod parent Troll by mdmkolbe · · Score: 1

    First, this publication was not accepted to a Journal. It was accepted to a conference. That is a big difference both in the acceptance process and the quality expected.

    Second, read the Journal of Functional Programming or the proceedings of the International Conference on Functional Programming. I dare anyone who knows what they are talking about to call that 99% crap. (I choose these because I'm familiar with them; specialist in other CS areas may choose other publications.)

  56. complicated AI? by Deanalator · · Score: 1

    How hard is it to write AI that puts everyone on the review board into the list of references?

    This is why I only go to conferences that contain heavy concentrations of drunk hackers.

  57. Slashdot's review system flawed by mdmkolbe · · Score: 1

    Should not be +5 Interesting. The above post is filled with so much unsupported assumptions and conflicts of interest, that it lacks any sort of credibility. The poster may have a point, but the facts used to back it up are so flimsy that it doesn't support his argument. The only thing I can conclude is that there is some sort of anti-academic vibe taking over slashdot which is strange considering that (I assume) most slashdot readers are more educated than the rest of the populous.

  58. What's all the fuss about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This looks like a well-written paper. Whoever thinks that machine-written papers are bad has never had to endure the "pleasures" of reviewing. I still remember a paper by two Japanese guys that contained sentences with 20 successive nouns and no verb. I'd rather not comment on the contents...

    1. Re:What's all the fuss about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but at least you rejected the paper? That's what the CSSE reviewers did not have the heart to do...

  59. Umm, maybe... by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 1

    Well I don't know for sure, but it looks like a cousin of what we're talking about here, that is, a program that lets you substitute the name of a person or organization into a "complaint letter" that's so general in its content that it could apply to anything or anybody. Its advantage is that it lets you send a negative letter to someone--a congressman, for example--that doesn't really have anything to do with reality and doesn't require any real work on the part of the sender. You may want to Google: "Complaint-letter generator" for more details.

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  60. my insightful, carefully crafted response: by spazdor · · Score: 4, Funny

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  61. but what will the Internet elders say? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    if you give the Internet away as a prize to anyone who'll answer your question, what will the Internet elders say?

    Just make sure that they don't drop the bloody thing, or reception may be permanently damaged.

  62. DACs and Ecommerce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Umm.. DACs used in high resolution video displays allowing better descriptions of items for sale. Trying to see what something looks like when you've got a 24x80 glass TTY is challenging.

  63. You didn't know that after reading the article? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Err, didn't you read the Wikipedia article before visiting the links (or did you see a different revision)?

    I mean, Wikipedia says that "The film is in the form of an advertisement for a toy called Schlangemann, a Ken doll with an interchangeable penis in 3 sizes: normal, large, and gigantic."

    I don't know much German, but unless I miss my guess, Der Schlangemann ends up meaning something like "PenisMan" ...

  64. Bogdanov Affair by z-j-y · · Score: 1
  65. Automatically generated text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone tell me more about automatically generated text for CS conference? :-)

  66. A lot of research is garbage by CptPicard · · Score: 1

    When I was writing my master's thesis, I soon became painfully aware that most CS papers are written very hastily, contain loads of errors and sometimes just simply plain don't make sense.

    At least CS is not quite as degenerate as the humanities -- recently I read this "PhD thesis" that was actually approved with lowest grade on a technicality after it was already initially rejected after a defense that was supposedly successful.

    I am sort of ashamed of my university knowing that someone can call himself "Doctor" after submitting something like that.

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  67. back to the greeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    plato and aristotle would have cried 'bullshit'. maybe they didnt know the calculus or understand organic chemistry, but at least they could think relatively clearly.

    sadly, history and philosophy are treated as unimportant subjects

  68. What's an "important" conference? by twasserman · · Score: 1
    Other replies in this discussion thread have noted that the new CSSE conference in Wuhan, China, is not an "important" conference.

    As someone who has served on lots of program committees for research-oriented conferences, I thought that it might be useful to try to explain what makes a conference important. Here goes:

    • It has been around for a while - probably five years or more - and is reasonably selective in the paper selection process. For example, only about 10% of the papers submitted to the Int'l Conf. on Software Engineering are accepted for publication and presentation.
    • The community around the conference - conference and program chairs, attendees, etc. - includes the leading people (esp. researchers) in the field, who view the annual conference not only as a destination to learn about the latest advances, but also as a social event to meet and catch up with colleagues. The ACM Conference on Computers and Human Interaction is an excellent example of such a conference.
    • The invited and keynote speakers are well-known luminaries in the field, often affiliated with the most prestigious academic institutions.
    • The selection process is based on review of submitted papers, not on a pay-to-play approach found in some commercially-oriented conferences. The intent, not always achieved, is to find the most qualified people on the program committee for each paper. (Of course, the quality of the reviewing process often leaves a lot to be desired, but that's another issue.)
    • Tenure-track faculty in research universities get promoted not only on the number of publications, but also the perceived quality of where they are published. Since you don't get much credit for publishing in a new and obscure conference, there is little incentive to publish there. Furthermore, your work is less likely to be seen and cited by your peers. A faculty member only has the time and money to attend a few conferences each year, and only has the time to write a few papers.

      So the goal is to get your work published in the best journals and conferences. You send your best work to the "A" conferences, recognizing that there are "B" and "C" conferences every week of the year (with the exception of this week and next). If a lower quality conference is being held in a location that you very much want to visit, then you dash off a paper of lesser quality, knowing that even a software-generated paper is likely to be accepted. You don't even have to put it on your CV, and it's a pretty safe bet that your colleagues won't see it.

    1. Re:What's an "important" conference? by motze2000 · · Score: 1

      I think the only reason to submit a paper to such a conference is the publication in the IEEE Xplore. As you can see in every chinese (among others) Call-for-Paper Emails they write sentences like "The conference proceedings will be published by IEEE Computer Society, all papers accepted will be included in IEEE Xplore and cited by EI Compendex." And being honest, having your own paper listet in that database means a lot...

  69. How to access the IEEE database? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hi,
    i don't have any access to the IEEE Database. Can somebody put the paper on a public server?

    Schlangemann rocks

  70. And how is this better? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    This does not excuse them! What you are saying is that they have a model which is so broken that it accepts ANY paper sent to them. You would expect them to figure out that the results of such a model will be to drag the conference into disrepute due to submission of crazy papers like this one.

  71. The better phrase! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In this work we better understand how digital-to-analog converters can be applied to the development of e-commerce.

  72. our "official" blog by schlangemann · · Score: 1
    1. Re:our "official" blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multi-Mensch

  73. Science socities should listen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work for a science society that does not reject any papers presented at conferences. That's because once, a rejected author shot an administrative assistant in revenge for his rejection (http://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/199910/knowledge.cfm). However, if papers can be rejected, it seems logical that ones that do not fit standard formatting should be automatically rejected. In fact, couldn't our computer overlords --ow! ow! OK!!-- our best friends the computers find a solution?

  74. IEEE removed the paper from the Xplore database by motze2000 · · Score: 1

    "Your search cannot be processed at this time. Please try again later. We apologize for any inconvenience. Reference Message #VErr2005" Maybe they have heard of it and wanted to stop the bad publicity...

  75. IEEE Racism by bebel2009 · · Score: 1

    IEEE Racism Some years ago a Professor in Belgium with the name: Michel GEVERS , Prof. of Automatic Control in the Universite Catholique de Louvain, published a series of articles on the Web about * Racism of IEEE * Various Financial Frauds of IEEE Officers Michel Gevers was born in Antwerp, Belgium, in 1945. He obtained an Electrical Engineering degree from the Université Catholique de Louvain, Belgium, in 1968, and a Ph.D. degree from Stanford University, California, in 1972. He is a Fellow of the IEEE, a Distinguished Member of the IEEE Control Systems Society, and he holds a Honorary Degree (Doctor Honoris Causa) from the University of Brussels. He has been President of the European Union Control Association (EUCA) from 1997 to 1999, and Vice President of the IEEE Control Systems Society in 2000 and 2001. In 2004, he initiated a petition against the IEEE Racism gathering more than 5000 signatures. After being IEEE Felow he removed these Web Pages. However the site: www.anti-plagiarism.org in its earlier version published it Here is the GEVER's petition before IEEE elavated him in the "IEEE Fellow rank" We, the undersigned, state unequivocally that discrimination on the basis of nationality or country of residence goes against the principles of an international scientific organization. Failure to cease this discrimination jeopardizes the future of the IEEE as an international organization. List of Academicians that protest against the IEEE racism : http://iaria-highsci.blogspot.com/2009/01/list-of-academicians-that-protest.html