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Apple's Life After Steve Jobs

animusCollards writes "Slate ponders a post-Steve Jobs Apple, including possible successors, and the future is... boring. '..it's certainly true that Jobs' style is central to the company's brand and the fierce connection it forges with its customers. His product announcements prompt hundreds of millions of dollars worth of free press coverage and whip up greater and more loyal fans, generating ever-greater interest in the company. ... At some point, all that will end. Jobs will eventually leave the company. There are no obvious plans for succession; in addition to Schiller, observers finger Tim Cook, Apple's COO, and Scott Forstall, who helped develop Mac OS X and the iPhone's software, as contenders for the job. But Tuesday's keynote illustrated how difficult it will be for any of those guys to replace Jobs.'"

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  1. Jobs leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jobs will eventually leave the company? I thought he was immortal. Damn you reality distortion field!

    1. Re:Jobs leaving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So a post-Jobs Apple will be 'boring'? Nowhere near as boring as the constant stream of articles about a post-Jobs Apple thinks this AC.

    2. Re:Jobs leaving? by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't have anything against him or Apple itself, but people need to calm down the Steve Jobs worshipping.

      If they do that, they'll lose their jobs (no pun intended)!

      The man may ooze style (if that's what you call the shiny, "world of tommorow" look of the iWorld), but he's a helluva narcissist.

  2. Really? by Dupple · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How did Tuesdays Keynote illustrate 'how difficult it will be for any of those guys to replace Jobs.'? Just a bloggers opinion, nothing to see here, please move along

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    1. Re:Really? by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      How did Tuesdays Keynote illustrate 'how difficult it will be for any of those guys to replace Jobs.'? Just a bloggers opinion, nothing to see here, please move along

      None of them look good in a black turtleneck. It's a little-known fact that Steve Jobs has not run Apple for some time now. Rather, the turtleneck is firmly in charge. If it can't find a suitable host when Jobs kicks the bucket, the company is doomed.

    2. Re:Really? by El+Yanqui · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Codswallop.

      We know who Steve Jobs is because we're nerdy, we follow things like Apple's keynote address and read /. Do you honestly think the average consumer out there, you know, the ones who are buying up iPods, iPhones and switching to Macs are doing so out of adoration for Steve Jobs? They might be doing it on the merits, for fashion to follow the trends or whatever other reason but I seriously doubt it's due to a crush on a guy in a black turtleneck. Most people couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

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    3. Re:Really? by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      You can not replace people who have a cult built around them. Someone different has to replace the cult.

      Not entirely true.

      Sure, I was upset when I had to remove my Tom Baker figure from my shrine and replace it with Peter Davidson. It was painful again when I took Peter down and put up Colin Baker. Recently I had to remove Christopher Eccleston and put up David Tennant, who'll I'll be removing soon again.

      It hurts every time - Regeneration is a painful process. But I'm still a loyal cult member.

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    4. Re:Really? by moderatorrater · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They might be doing it on the merits, for fashion to follow the trends or whatever other reason but I seriously doubt it's due to a crush on a guy in a black turtleneck. Most people couldn't pick him out of a lineup.

      You might be right, but the people who are setting the trend and extolling Apple's merits are those who do know who Jobs is. Apple can likely keep the position it has right now without Jobs, but if they can't replace his expertise, then they'll have a hard time expanding their product line like they've done in the past few years. Steve Jobs has an amazing ability to relate to the crowd, he's good at producing soundbites so he can relate to people on the internet, and he's already cultivated an image of excellence that's largely linked to the man himself.

      Whether the average consumer knows it or not, the people that make the decisions and recommendations know who Steve Jobs is, and it's undoubtedly helped with their success.

    5. Re:Really? by Abreu · · Score: 4, Funny

      And I thought it was a Spiderman/Venom joke. Clearly the turtleneck will seek out the man who hates Jobs most when he rejects it... Steve Ballmer.

      I just got an image Steve Ballmer, dressed head to toe in black, dual-wielding heavy executive chairs and laughing maniacally... [shudder]

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  3. No one lives for ever ... by olddotter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While stock owners of companies like Apple or Berkshire Hathaway may wish their CEO's could like forever. Jobs while "great" is still a double edged sword for Apple. Granted one side is sharper than the other at the moment.

    But a less charismatic person could make different decisions that get Apple way more into the main stream. I could go on, but work is busy today.... :-(

    1. Re:No one lives for ever ... by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But a less charismatic person could make different decisions that get Apple way more into the main stream.

      Like Dell or Gateway?

      No, thanks.

      -jcr

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    2. Re:No one lives for ever ... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But a less charismatic person could make different decisions that get Apple way more into the main stream.

      Like Dell or Gateway?

      No, like John Scully.

      No, thanks.

      More, like, NO THANKS! Scully's time at Apple was disastrous. While everyone at the time said that "mainstream" line was the best strategy for Apple.

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  4. I for one was pretty let down with this keynote by utahraptor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know if it was just a lack of Jobs or a lack of innovation, but this was the first one of these that really lacked something new and fresh. Quite frankly none of it excited me this round.

    1. Re:I for one was pretty let down with this keynote by Shag · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The rumor sites were expecting practically everything including the kitchen sink, so by failing to introduce new iMacs, new Mac minis, the iPhone nano and... did I miss anything?, Apple didn't live up to their (completely delusional) expectations.

      What really gets me is tech news sites - even MacWorld - calling the 17" MacBook Pro "disappointing" or "unattractive" because it's just a larger-form-factor MBP. Uh... hasn't it always been? Haven't the 15" and 17" always been pretty similar internally? And it's got this spiffy new battery made with Romulan technology, and anti-glare screens are back, and oh, yeah, there's a third USB port, woohoo.

      It's funny, though - Apple is such a style cult, and has such a following, that the 17" MBP is being judged against... what, exactly? People's delusional expectations, apparently. Because it's not "disappointing" or "unattractive" when you compare it with every other 17" notebook in existence, is it? 1920x1280, check. 2.93GHz processor option, check. 256GB SSD option, check. Up to 8GB of RAM, check. 1066MHz FSB, check. 802.11n, check. ExpressWhatever, check. FW800, check. Dual video chipsets, check.

      Yeah, I can probably get all those features somewhere else (though a fair bit of googling wasn't exactly productive)... but in a package under 25mm thick and under 3kg, with at least the potential for 8 hours of battery life? Fuhgeddaboudit. Doesn't sound so "disappointing" or "unattractive" to me.

      And really, the MBPs won't be fully exploited until Snow Leopard and OpenCL drop, right?

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    2. Re:I for one was pretty let down with this keynote by davew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quite frankly none of it excited me this round.

      I can't believe that the removal from DRM from the iTunes music store isn't bigger news. I think it's huge news. This is the single biggest remaining reason why people are nervous about moving to downloaded music, and it's gone. I'm delighted.

    3. Re:I for one was pretty let down with this keynote by daveime · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "with at least the potential for 8 hours of battery life"

      Every laptop I ever owned clamied similar, and usually turned itself off after around the 2 hours 45 minutes mark.

      But what amazes me, is that the battery is non-removable, so if it shorts or has some other problem, back to the approved iMac store for Joe Fanboi, and another whopping bill for service.

      Doesn't the fact that Apple even lock you in on the battery tell you anything ?

  5. Come On... by db32 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok look. I love my Apple gear. My MacBookPro is by far the best laptop I have owned in a long series of laptops. I like hearing about interesting new tech stuff coming from Apple. New gadgets like the new MBP and its battery, the dropping of DRM, those are geek worthy stories. But seriously, how many damned times is slashdot going to rehash this "What will we ever do without our beloved Steve Jobs!?" story?

    How about we just leave it at this. Regardless of who takes over the company next I am sure we can all agree, regardless if you love or hate Apple, that he will probably be more stable and qualifed that the Chair Tossing Google Killer that took over that other really big tech company...

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  6. Apple will be ruined by capitalism by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Say what you like about Apple (I usually do) but one thing that can't be denied is that Apple does what it does starkly in the face of existing trends and directions. They do it their own way regardless of whether or not the general consensus thinks it's a good idea.

    This makes Apple a very popular trend setter and many people really like that about Apple.

    This is made possible because Apple leadership is run by an asshole. And I don't mean that in a bad way either. Jobs does what he does from what appears to be pure inspiration. People just eat that up too. He is the Willy Wonka of the computer world.

    There can't be another one... there will not be another one. Apple will become a blob of its former self and people will make decisions the way they feel most comfortable... incremental changes and improvements, following trends and very rarely will frighteningly new ideas get thrust into the limelight as they have been under Jobs.

    But we will also see something that people have been begging for... something that competes HEAD to HEAD with Microsoft. And Apple will WIN.

    1. Re:Apple will be ruined by capitalism by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But we will also see something that people have been begging for... something that competes HEAD to HEAD with Microsoft. And Apple will WIN.

      I believe that would be rather errouneus. Apple isn't playing in Microsoft's sandbox. Particularly the Enterprise one. Too many big bullies there. Apple will be more than happy to play in it's metrosexual box with all the dolls and shiny things. Laughing all the way to the bank. Why does everybody think that Apple wants to deal with Enterprise issues?

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  7. You know the economy is getting bad by thetorpedodog · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...when even Apple is forced to consider the possibility of losing Jobs.

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  8. I am the very model of a iPod fashion follower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I am the very model of an iPod fashion follower,
    My waist is getting thinner but my head is getting hollower,
    I know the name of every Mac, in Apple stores a wallower,
    And at the MacWorld every year I tell Steve I'm a swallower.
    (Yes at the MacWorld every year he tells Steve he's a swallower)

  9. Apple is Safe. by Gerafix · · Score: 4, Funny

    They just need to go back in time with their Time Machine and set Jobs back to his uncorrupted state.

  10. Re:Make a Steve Jobs simulator by aapold · · Score: 4, Funny

    Plus, it would create jobs!

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  11. Unfortunately it does not work that way by EachLennyAPenny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There is a simple solution: just follow the mac rumour sites and skim the ideas which make sense (physical, technological, ergonomic, etc.) and turn them into products.

    There is a problem with that.

    People tend to not know what they want. Noone demanded something like the iPhone.

    The secret is to understand their wishes and offer them far more than what they've asked for.

  12. Steve Jobs has been dead since 1988 by Gizzmonic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Steve Jobs died in a car wreck in 1988. The current "Steve Jobs" is San Jose session musician, Roland Trisk. Trisk, who often doubled for Steve Jobs before his death in sales meetings and conferences, had plastic surgery in order closely resemble Jobs. There are hints everywhere-in the enclosure of the Mac LCII, the first NeXT CUBE, even Pixar's first full-length film, Toy Story. Wake up people! The truth is out there!

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  13. Re:He's done it before - anyone remember NeXT? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They already are!

    Apple used to OWN the video editing market. Final cut WAS the defacto standard.

    Well come 2009 and we have no update. we cant author BluRay DVD's because apple bet the farm on HD-DVD so now our DVD authoring app is useless. My only choice is some crappy 3rd party apps (Yes adobe's offering is crap)

    Apple is dragging it's feet in it's professional lines and it's causing them issues. They have been focusing completely on the "oooh shiney" general public and ignoring their professionals on the backend.

    I want my FCP Suite 3 that fixes the problems with the current one and give me native suite bluray menu authoring.

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  14. No such thing by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First off, there is no such thing as "Replacing Steve Jobs", there is only following him.

    ANYBODY who is trying to "duplicate" the Steve and his infamous RDF is going to fail, and miserably. In fact, if I was on the committee that was choosing the heir to the helm I'd ask how they plan to "replace" Jobs, and if anyone mentions anything other than .... "nobody can replace Steve" (or similar) is clearly not good enough to fill the vacancy.

    People wanting to continue the mystique after Steve leaves is going to fail . There is only one Steve Jobs.

    That doesn't mean that Apple will fail after Jobs, but rather, they need to find a new "leader", one that doesn't replace Steve, but rather one that mealy follows him.

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  15. Pixar to the rescue by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why do you think Jobs bought Pixar? to make cartoons? No they are working to cross the uncanny divide where live action animated figures are indistinguishable from humans. They will just have an all digital Jobs up there in a few years presenting the products and you will never know.

    Indeed maybe they already have. Jobs maybe is not ill but actually just an early version like Tom Hanks in Polar express.

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  16. I'd like to Apply for CEO of Apple by scorp1us · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here are my qualifications:

    • 15 years in the software industry
    • I have no problem saying 'no'
    • I believe that removing stuff can add value
    • I do not try to include all features possible
    • I only include features to make a useful device
    • I will not accept "it can't be done"
    • I will create technologies needed to achieve my concept
    • I will look to see what other companies aren't doing, and do it
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  17. Creating Fans By Attrition by DynaSoar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The admirers of Apple's cult of personality forget how it was created: Jobs drove away those who didn't fit his whims. He had the first Mac designed around his choices for the Apple II that Woz over ruled. The very act of creating it was purposely divisive, with a skull and crossbones flag flying over the Mac building, and non-Mac people barred from entry except by invitation. Rather than complimentary lines, the Mac was intended to supplant the very successful and projected to be long-lived Apple II (16 bit version in production, 32 bit processor, machine and OS in design phase). After Woz got fed up and left*, Jobs shut down the Apple II line. At every step people who'd been loyal employees, customers, third party manufacturers or fans fell away -- literally by the millions. More than once, to a lesser but significant extent, severe and abrupt changes to the Mac line instigated repeat performances of the II exodus. "Love it or leave it" seemed to be the corporate motto.

    Jobs' cantankerous ways with the remaining employees, manufacturers and fans drove away so many, including major players and stock holders, that he was taken out of the spotlight and replaced by John Scully. It took a decade for him to grow up enough to be given back the reins.

    Those remaining fans view Jobs as charismatic. Ex-fans remember him as anti-charismatic, and view him that way still if they even bother to think about him at all.

    I've recounted these and similar details before, and gotten modded down as flamebait and troll. I expect the same to happen now, despite the fact that while it may be in somewhat negative phrasing, it's accurate and verifiable in media archives and others' writings. In the spirit of full disclosure, I was an Apple II fan in the extreme, was senior/technical editor of an Apple II fan-zine (The Road Apple; the first computer media source published simultaneously in the US and USSR), and said much these same things back then. But I'm not the only one who said them. I'm just one of the very few who still bothers to recount the history that most have ceased to care about.

    * Woz left Apple primarily due to a re-examination of his life following a private plane accident. However, his displeasure at the direction of things was no secret, nor was Jobs' efforts to marginalize him. Between those, had he not had the accident, he'd almost certainly have left anyway.

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    1. Re:Creating Fans By Attrition by Jecel+Assumpcao+Jr · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think you got some details slightly wrong. If by Apple II decisions where Jobs lost to Woz you mean the expansion slots, then though Jobs was a vocal proponent of not having them on the Mac this feature was a fundamental aspect of Jef Raskin's proposal from the very beginning.

      Woz was part of the Mac project when he had his accident, but it was indeed the treatment of the Apple II group that was one of his main reasons for leaving. He did come back a few years later and worked on the 16 bit IIgs. I am not aware of any serious plans for a 32 bit Apple II but would love to hear more about it.

  18. Re:Scheduling and Sales. by Mascot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cripes, it's as bad as DEFCON being held in fuck-me-its-hot August, where the traditional attire is all black.

    Indeed. DEFCON is well known for having attendees that love the outdoors and are unable to operate AC units.

  19. Steve Jobs should be followed by multiple people. by guidryp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed. RDF exaggerated.

    Jobs is remarkable in that he Part product visionary, part perfectionist taskmaster, part marketing guru, and part charismatic showman.

    But more is made of his lesser role as showman than is warranted. I seriously doubt anything more than 10% of Apple product owners have ever even watched a Keynote. Steve Jobs charisma is nice for the free press it gets them but little else. If they keep building good products and doing half decent marketing there will be no problem. I don't watch the keynotes, but read about them. I was disappointed because there was no Mac Mini, not because Jobs wasn't there.

    But in my opinion the greater loss might be in the loss of Steve Jobs the product visionary with the right measure of taskmaster.

    I don't think these roles can be filled at a post Jobs Apple by one person. The probably need at CTO visionary/taskmaster + CEO-Showman. The should be figuring Steves roles in the company and how they can interact if those roles are split among different people. At some point the should staff all the roles and let Jobs supervise them, but let them run with it, but only if he feels that he is planning to leave sooner rather than later.