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More Brains Needed

Hugh Pickens writes "BBC reports that more people need to donate their brains to medical research if cures for diseases like dementia are to be found and are urging healthy people as well as those with brain disorders to become donors. 'For autism, we only have maybe 15 or 20 brains that have been donated that we can do our research on. That is drastically awful,' said Dr Payam Rezaie of the Neuropathology Research Laboratory at the Open University. 'We would need at least 100 cases to get meaningful data. A lot of research is being hindered by this restriction.' Part of the problem, according to Professor Margaret Esiri at the University of Oxford, may be that people are reluctant to donate their brains because they see the organ as the basis of their identity. 'It used to be other parts of the body that we thought were important,' says Esin. 'But now people realize that their brain is the crucial thing that gives them their mind and their self.' Dr Kieran Breen, of the Parkinson's Disease Society, said over 90% of the brains in their bank at Imperial College London were from patients, with the remaining 10% of 'healthy' brains donated by friends or relatives of patients. 'Some people are under the impression that if they sign up for a donor card that will include donating their brain for research. But it won't,' says Breen. 'Donor cards are about donating organs for transplant, not for medical science.'"

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  1. Over my dead body! by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can have my brain when you pry it from my cold, dead...

    Oh wait.

    1. Re:Over my dead body! by steelcaress · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Y'know, they never really specified whether the donated brains were from the living or the dead...

      Anyone remember the Live Organ Donor skit from Monty Python?

    2. Re:Over my dead body! by duguk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Heh :o) In all seriousness, I've actually already filled in the forms to donate my brain to the MRC London Brain Bank for Neurodegenerative Diseases.

      It's not like it's going to be much to use to me. Just hoping they'll still be around, since I'm hoping it'll still be some way off.

    3. Re:Over my dead body! by nohup · · Score: 3, Funny

      'Some people are under the impression that if they sign up for a donor card that will include donating their brain for research. But it won't,' says Breen.

      Does anyone else feel a uncomfortable at just doing what Dr. Breen says?

    4. Re:Over my dead body! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Funny
      Naturally, the sources for those brains are not well publicized.

      I suspect they'd be from inside heads.

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    5. Re:Over my dead body! by w0mprat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Naturally, the sources for those brains are not well publicized.

      I suspect they'd be from inside heads.

      Those are female brains then.

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    6. Re:Over my dead body! by PachmanP · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hrrm brain shortage + someone who's already filled out the paperwork... Is your brain particularly interesting because if it is I can see an accident in your future. Curiously enough your head will be perfectly intact.

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  2. won't someone THINK of the children!? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Funny

    ie, I bet they have all the adult brains they need. how about some child brains?

    "think of the children"

    come on, kids. some of you are not using yours. can't you help the good cause out?

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  3. I gave at the office by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not that I don't want to donate my brain, it's just that I've already promised other people that I would have my brain cryogenically frozen so that I can be resurrected at some point in the future, and I'd hate to let those people down.

    1. Re:I gave at the office by Icarus1919 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Promising is not a synonym for threatening.

    2. Re:I gave at the office by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

      I've already promised other people that I would have my brain cryogenically frozen so that I can be resurrected at some point in the future

      Ah, you must be a Cobol programmer.

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  4. Grow up by Alarindris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you're dead, you're dead. It's not like your brain wont be rotting in the ground anyway.

    Get over the fact that the universe doesn't care about you and help science!

    1. Re:Grow up by philspear · · Score: 3, Funny

      Get over the fact that the universe doesn't care about you and help science!

      When you put it that way... fuck the universe, I'm keeping it!

    2. Re:Grow up by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not like your brain wont be rotting in the ground anyway.

      Some people's brains are getting a head start on rotting.

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    3. Re:Grow up by Hatta · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have a strange definition of "I". You are not merely the atoms of which you are composed. In fact 98% of the atoms in your body are replaced yearly. It's not the atoms that matter, it's the pattern they're arranged in. Allowing scientists to study that pattern, and preserve even just a little bit of that information reincarnates you in a much more real way than reuse of the atoms in your corpse.

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  5. Donor Cards by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Funny

    'Some people are under the impression that if they sign up for a donor card that will include donating their brain for research. But it won't,' says Breen. 'Donor cards are about donating organs for transplant, not for medical science.'"

    Well to be honest, I have always kinda hoped that having my donor card would mean they might transplant my brain...

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  6. Re:Take Mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm told I have shit for brains, so I'm donating mine to local gardening enthusiasts.

  7. More Brains Needed by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Funny

    They certainly are. Unfortunately, the trend seems to be the in the other direction. Especially among politicians.

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  8. Re:Mmmm, Brains by CaptainPatent · · Score: 5, Funny

    The main problem I have with donating body parts for scientific research is that I don't want silly medical students using bits of me to play pranks on each other!

    Are you kidding?! Biohazardous pranks are hilarious! How can you not donate to that cause?!

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  9. Who Knew??? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Funny

    Medical Researchers were zombies? ANYONE???

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  10. Re:Many fear cost... by eln · · Score: 2, Funny

    The only cost I've ever heard of is if you want to donate it to some far away medical school, you have to pay to transport it there. Other than that, it should be free.

    Of course, I don't want to donate my body to medical science because I am uncomfortable with the idea of all those medical students laughing^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hstaring in awe at my junk.

  11. No way by symes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'll only donote my brain if it's smashed up with a hammer first - or some L33t h4ck3r5 might steal my secrets and credit card numbers!

    1. Re:No way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's why I'm donating mine to 'Will it Blend?'.

  12. Packing Instructions by jayrtfm · · Score: 3, Funny

    If you are going to donate a brain, there are recommended packing instructions.
    And don't risk using UPS, since Sterling Courier Systems is the pathologist's preferred shipper.

  13. Flawed assumptions by Linux_ho · · Score: 3, Funny

    'It used to be other parts of the body that we thought were important,' says Esin. 'But now people realize that their brain is the crucial thing that gives them their mind and their self.'

    That's not necessarily true. For example, I do a lot of thinking with another part of my anatomy. Ask anyone.

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  14. Healthy as well as with brain disorders? by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if I'm not quite certain which category I belong in?

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  15. Obvious solution by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Replace the removed brain with an electronic brain. A simple one would suffice. All it would have to do is say "What?" and "Where's the tea?"

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    1. Re:Obvious solution by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      Replace the removed brain with an electronic brain. A simple one would suffice

      A 6502 would be ideal.

  16. contact your local medical school by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    My mom had completed the paperwork to donate her body to the local medical school before she found out she had a rare degenerative (untreatable and invariably fatal) neuromuscular disorder. in her consultations with the neurology team at the local school, they determined that the leading research team was at another major university, so they just added that school to the paperwork to receive her brain and spinal cord. other than completing the paperwork, signing it and advising her next of kin, the process was seamless. the funeral home guys picked her up after she died and we gave them the paperwork. the university guys took it from there.
    easy. and very satisfying.

  17. Re: Your brains by Rei · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is anybody else here thinking of Jonathan Coulton's Re: Your Brains?

    Heya, Tom' its Bob from the office down the hall
    Good to see you, buddy; howve you been?
    Thing have been OK for me except that Im a zombie now
    I really wish youd let us in
    I think I speak for all of us when I say I understand
    Why you folks might hesitate to submit to our demand
    But heres an FYI: youre all gonna die, screaming

    (chorus)
      (zombies) "All we want to do is eat your brains!"
      Were not unreasonable; I mean, no ones gonna eat your eyes
      All we want to do is eat your brains
      Were at an impasse here; maybe we should compromise:
      If you open up the doors
      Well all come inside and eat your brains!

    I dont want to nitpick, Tom, but is this really your plan?
    To spend your whole life locked inside a mall?
    Maybe thats OK for now but someday youll be out of food and guns
    And then youll have to make the call
    Im not surprised to see you havent thought it through enough
    You never had the head for all that bigger picture stuff
    But, Tom, thats what I do, and I plan on eating you, slowly

    (chorus)
      (zombies) "All we want to do is eat your brains!"
      Were not unreasonable; I mean, no ones gonna eat your eyes
      All we want to do is eat your brains
      Were at an impasse here; maybe we should compromise:
      If you open up the doors
      Well all come inside and eat your brains!

      Id like to help you, Tom, in any way I can
      I sure appreciate the way youre working with me
      Im not a monster, Tom...well, technically, I am
      I guess I am

    Ive got another meeting, Tom; maybe we could wrap it up
    I know well get to common ground somehow
    Meanwhile Ill report back to my colleagues who were chewing on the doors
    I guess well table this for now
    Im glad to see you take constructive criticism well
    Thank you for your time; I know were all busy as hell
    And well put this thing to bed
    When I bash your head open

    (chorus)
      (zombies)"All we want to do is eat your brains!"
      Were not unreasonable; I mean, no ones gonna eat your eyes
      All we want to do is eat your brains
      Were at an impasse here; maybe we should compromise:
      If you open up the doors
      Well all come inside and eat your brains!

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  18. Re:Doctors, Researchers, Get Your Brains, Quick! by Anthony_Cargile · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey, I resemble that remark!

  19. Cooking Instructions? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2, Funny

    They seem to be missing.

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  20. To be fair.... by Klootzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Trying to cure Autism is like trying to cure innate stupiditity, I have serious doubts you'll be able to change the neurological wiring with any efficacy.

    Certain learning techniques can be used to improve synaptic formation in those with a lower amount of total neurons, thus increasing their mental capacity somewhat, which works for some of those individuals born with below-average intelligence. But how do you fix someone with "too many"?

    Of course, currently, most Psychologists/Psychiatrists work on the concept of treatment with Cognitive Behavioural Therapy and/or drug treatment:
    "Now Jimmy, if people are WRONG, just go along with it and pretend they aren't, and here, have some SSRIs, we dont' know if these will fuck you up for life, but it's easier on everyone else if we give you pills".

    How about we just lobotomize them all instead? Sound good?!
    The sentance above is an example of hostile sarcasm.

    Anyway, I'm more than happy to donate any bits of me that Medical Research can use!
    Disclaimer: I'm not a Neurologist/Neurosurgeon/Neuropsychiatrist - happy for anyone else to correct me if I'm incorrect somewhere and they've got the knowledge.

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    1. Re:To be fair.... by Diamonddavej · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have a PhD and autism, so that makes me autistic but not stupid. Simon Baron-Cohen, a autism researcher, has expressed his worry that "curing" autism could reduce the number people studying maths and other professions that require good systematizing ability, a strength possessed by people with autism. Here is his comment on the BBC website...

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7736196.stm

      I agree that the way to discourage curing autism, at least getting people to consider its wider implications that go beyond autism, is to connect the search into a cure with the search for genes that code for personality traits.

      It is known that people with Autism and Asperger's are far more likely to vote in certain political directions and express a different degree of religiosity, so we are looking at personalty traits - of all people not just autistic people - when we look for a cure. It is scary stuff, the general public does not understand the ethics or its wider implications.

  21. Re:Just for the record by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Funny

    Well, If they can keep it alive outside your body, all the better it allow them in the future to put you in a robotic body with lasers and guns and you only malfunction when you start seeing your family.

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  22. Ethics, line 1... by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have known several nurses, and many more in the helping professions, and their advice has been universally the same to me: Never get an organ donor card. Never. This is for two reasons. The first is that there is a huge shortage of tissue across the board. The second is that most of the hospital staff knows this and they aren't going to work as hard to save your life if you've got one of those organ donor cards. My friends have actually overheard doctors talking and saying to the effect of -- "Well, he kinda screwed himself here, hitting that other car head on at 80 MPH. Damn drunk. We could spend $40k in surgery on a 1 in 7 chance that he'll survive, or we can take his organs now and be 85% sure it was the right choice to make. And the surgeon's already put fifteen hours in today! I don't want to be the one to tell him he's got another four hours before he can go home for this bonehead..."

    These people make triage decisions every day. Don't take this personally, but you aren't a person laying on the table but a machine that's broken. You're just like a thousand other lumps of flesh that come through the doors every day. Don't think you're special. Do. Not. Real life is not like those campy medical/reality TV shows you laugh along with. There are no witty one liners, there is no epic drama where the doctor comes in and realizes it's some rare disease from bum fuck egypt with a cursory glance. There's just a lot of really tired people with a dark and dry sense of humor, who live on caffeine, try not to make any big mistakes, and hope their significant other will put up with the long hours and 4am emergency pages for just a few more years until they pay off their student loans.

    That doesn't mean they don't care, or that they're ghoulish devils come to suck your precious organs. But it does mean-- don't put that sticker on your license. They don't know you. They don't care. There's a thousand other people behind you and a thousand more ahead of you and they have a job to do. No. I'm not lying. No this isn't an urban legend. No I didn't hear this from a friend of a friend, I heard this directly from the mouths of the people who can point out names and faces of the people who have said stuff like this--Just so we're clear. I'm not trying to scare you, I have no hidden agenda. If you really want to be an organ donor, tell your friends and family, have it in your will, tell them where it is, and make sure they're clear that it's what you really want and you'll come back and haunt their ass if they don't make your last requests. Just don't put it on your license.

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    1. Re:Ethics, line 1... by Chris_Jefferson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well I know lots of members of the medical profession, and I can say this is total rubbish, for 3 reasons: 1) Doctors appreciate organ doners. They know very little about you when you are rushed in, but if they know you are a doner they know something good about you. 2) There has been rumours of doctors getting in trouble for doing just what you say, and no-one wants to risk getting in trouble, so they err on the side of caution. 3) Why the heck would a doctor decide to not do an expensive operation? The hospital gets paid when they do expensive operations. I can honestly say YOU are scaremongering, and in the process possibly risking other people's lives. If you do die, getting the organs as quickly as possible is crucial, so your scaremongering could well kill people, and that makes you a shit. Sorry.

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    2. Re:Ethics, line 1... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      err..wait.

      Having been in the medical field for a while, from my complete experience, this is nonsense. I can't remember the last hospital I visited in the eastern side of the United States that had only one surgeon avialable on any given day. The truth is these guys do put in some serious hours but there is almost always more than one (...and for obvious reasons). So the story of the nurse or doctor mentioned wanting to relieve this surgeon is bogus.

      If anyone truly believes this, I encourage you to never go to a hospital and deny all medical care. If these people are so ready to lose patients for the option to maybe save another I wouldn't trust them with 90% of a normal doctor visit.

      The truth is, that most of these individuals attend school for a long time to make big bucks and contribute to the medical community. Ask a surgeon if they can recant a time when they lost someone on the table. If they had--They'll remember it, because it's not easy obviously, even if you think they're a drunken loser.

      Again the donor card has nothing to do with contributing to science, although when you truly do die, your organs would go to someone in actual need.

    3. Re:Ethics, line 1... by similar_name · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think there is a simple solution. If you don't have an organ donor card then you don't get any organs either if you need them.

    4. Re:Ethics, line 1... by Platypii · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is (roughly) the idea behind LifeSharers. Personally I think this is exactly the way to go:

      http://www.lifesharers.com/

  23. Re:Many fear cost... by philspear · · Score: 2, Funny

    Are you sure it was "donating your body" and not "paying the mafia to take a dead body away?"

  24. Wait until they're dead by unlametheweak · · Score: 3, Funny

    ' Part of the problem, according to Professor Margaret Esiri at the University of Oxford, may be that people are reluctant to donate their brains because they see the organ as the basis of their identity.

    I would have thought that they only accepted brain donations from families of people who have already died. Certainly donating your brain while you are still alive would have an effect on your identity. I would hope this practice stops.

  25. FUD... in the most vile form. by Klootzak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even more despicable than trying to create fear, uncertainty and doubt of Open-Source, are people who try to do the same thing against those who would save lives... I hope you sleep well girlintraining.

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  26. Re:Easy option by LingNoi · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm sure they could make an exception, like shooting at the gut. Sure, it's more painful and a slow way to die but if money is to be made then they should just suck it up for the greatness of their country.

  27. Re:Science, or practice? by Amenacier · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They're not just used for scalpel practice - they're used for anatomical studies so that when your surgeon is opening you up, they know what all your organs actually look like and don't spend half an hour playing "find the body part we want". In order to be successful in dissection and surgery, you need to have practice on real flesh, because it's never as neat as the plastic models of the body would make you think.

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  28. donating is complex by belmolis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For those of us willing to have our former bodies used for any good purpose, the existing system is frustrating because there is no coordination among multiple uses. Your body can be put to three different uses after death: (a) organ donation; (b) medical research; (c) medical training. Organ donation and medical research are in principle compatible - whatever organs aren't need for transplantation are available for research. However, neither of these uses is compatible with medical training: medical schools want the whole body for use in anatomy classes, not whatever is left after bits have been removed for transplantation or research. Furthermore, at least here in British Columbia, and as far as I know, everywhere else, there are three separate systems for the three uses. What I would prefer is to be able to sign up in one place to donate my body for whatever is the best use at the time. If an organ is critically needed, give it to someone, and use the remainder for research. If no organs are needed for transplantation, use it for research or anatomy class, wherever the need is greater.

  29. Re:Take Mine by digitalunity · · Score: 3, Informative

    While I'm sure there are some surprising uses for corpses, I can assure you testing fire suits is not one of them.

    They are tested using sophisticated bipedal structures of gelatin and/or elastopolymers that resemble the human body in rigidity and thermal decomposition properties. Those mannequins have hundreds or thousands of pressure and temperature sensors over them to determine how much protection fabrics can provide and where they are ineffective.

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  30. Re:Take Mine by Sproggit · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm donating all my organs, but with a proviso that they use at least 70% and all to one recipient...
    That way it's less of an organ donation, and more a hostile takeover...

  31. Re:Many fear cost... by indifferent+children · · Score: 2, Informative

    I signed up (in the USA) with "Anatomy Gifts Registry". They donate any usable organs, then any usable tissues, then the rest is "for research". Whether this ends up being med students, or specific studies, I'll never know. According to their paperwork, the only cost is a $10 shipping fee is you want your ashes sent to your family, after the research is over.

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