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Sony Teases 3D Playstation 3
Ars Technica has a brief report from CES, where Sony demonstrated the work they've done to bring 3D technology to the PS3. Quoting:
"The idea was just to show the technology to people, to see if they would be interested in sitting at home, wearing a dorky set of black glasses, watching content in 3D. I couldn't pry details about how the 3D affect was achieved, or if the display could turn any source into 3D, but what's clear is that, glasses or no, the 3D affect is amazing. Sony showed off Wipeout HD running in true 3D, and I was ready to whip out my credit card right there. Frank and I both agreed, this was one of the best demos of 3D technology we have ever seen."
I'm hopeful that Sony pulls this off and manages to get 3D-TVs to be the norm. Starting with gamers is a good way to do that, too.
Of course, if they have patents on this technology and nobody else can do it, it'll die an early death... Especially since Sony TVs are so heavily overpriced to begin with.
"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
But it's not just the tech that's needed for these new fangled televisions and PS3s... it's the content. The whole world archive of tv/film footage would most likely be useless for conversion to 3D and I just can't see the point of buying a new TV and another bloody playstation to watch a couple of mediocre films and play a few games. If I want good 3D I'll go to the theatre (or a specialst cinema).
I'm pretty sure the author means "effect" instead of "affect".
Dorky reference: http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/affect-versus-effect.aspx
Man, I've got this bridge that would make a wonderful investment.
... they do something?
At first I was only a little incredulous that someone loved Sony products so much, but then I saw the dead give-away:
You got greedy.
Playstation 3 cries in a corner. Parents sue for therapy bills.
You've just attracted every single Xbot on Slashdot to this thread...
Were you able to see better after using the 3D Playstation? Did you gain an ability to see in 4 dimensions?
Please, tell us how you were affected by this new Playstation!
Give the Xbots a break.
The RRoD fiasco
Hundreds to thousands of dollars wasted on the dead HD-DVD format
Discs destroyed by the outdated 360 DVD drive
50 dollar a year online charges for laggy P2P online gaming
First party 360 dev studios being shutdown
And after three years on the market the 360's wimpy graphics hardware only has the same tired old Unreal Engine as its 'graphical showpiece'.
You'd be pissed off and want to lash out with your mod points if you were one of them.
You got me. Because people only buy quality products.
Over $500 million in ring tone sales
Ouch!
High five retard!
Stupid Xbots. Go back to playing with your little Nintendo Mii dollies.
Wait, holy shit! I just noticed the italics! You totally owned me!
"HD-DVD is already dead and Blu-Ray doesn't seem to be doing all that well either."
I know! Just ask any Xbot/HD-DVD fanboy and they tell you the same thing...
BluRay continues to out pace the uptake of DVD from VHS. Pretty amazing when you consider that the VHS->DVD transition didn't were targeting the same TV technology and resolution. While BluRay is doing so well with people needing to upgrade from their old 480i to 1080p TVs to get full capabilities for the new format.
So is it just me or does this bear a striking resemblance to Nvidia's recent demo of shutter glasses combined with a 120Hz HDTV. To me the black glasses are a dead giveaway.
As far as the "any source" part is concerned, let's not be silly here, you need concrete depth information. Sure our brains can infer this information but the sheer processing grunt required for a computer to do this means it will not be done any time soon at least not in realtime on full motion video.
I am embarrassed for Ars Technica and more than a little disappointed.
1 million dollars on virtual furniture? Expect a sharp rise in Brawndo sales.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
And yet it's outselling the PS3 by a fair margin (not that it matters, the Wii is beating both by far). Doesn't look like people care about secondary issues like that.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
Hmm, you make some good, well thought-out points. I'll have to think this over and get back to you.
1) Come last in the present generation by releasing the most expensive console.
2) Release a console in the next generation that requires everyone to buy a new TV to support it.
3) ???????
4) Profit!
Fail fanboy.
The PS3 continues to destroy the RRoD box in worldwide sales, and that is with a 200 price difference.
The 360 is dead in Japan and all across mainland Europe just like the first Xbox fiasco.
Wait, let me guess! You get your console 'sales figures' from vgchartz...
But at the least Microsoft is providing an endless source of entertainment as the retarded circus clown of the console world with the RRoD material, shitty 360 graphics, never ending losses, and hilariously pathetic and desperate press releases about 'sales' figures.
and it will return around 2018.
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Can't believe I've never seen lmgtfy.com.
That fucking rules.
I forget, wasn't Sony working with NVidia to make their graphics chip... I guess NVidia just wanted to steal the spotlight to sell more PC graphics cards...
Yes, I am obsessed with ellipses.
If they were shutter glasses, wouldn't they need a cord to coordinate with the monitor? And waving your hand in front of them would show a strobe effect.
I know they suck for:
- propereitery media
- rootkit
On the other hand:
- they have made great products like the walkman, ps1, ps2
- they take risks e.g. betamax and lose money but why the ridicule. would you rathe companies don't do this?
- I don't think people mean it when they say they cannot see the difference between DVD and Blu ray movies. I certainly do on a 720p TV and I am no videophile
- We all hate sony for the root kit and drm, but I am sure a lot of people here have iPod's and use Windows as a lot of people here seem to love Netflix and their 360's
Now, the Playstation 3 can suck in more than one dimension!
Don't rush me, Sonny. You rush a miracle man, you get rotten miracles.
Seriously, anything that can get some more decent exclusives for Sony is a good thing. I bought my PS3 two years ago hoping for a lot. And so far I've used it mostly as a blu-ray player only. Metal Gear Solid 4 was good, as was Warhawk (Little Big Planet is supposedly cool too, but I haven't played it). But, other than that, it's mostly ports of games that end up looking and playing better on the cheaper Xbox 360 (and it doesn't help that I like Xbox Live and the Xbox controller better too). As a big fan of Second Life, I even had high hopes for Playstation Home. But even that ended up being a huge disappointment.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
It seems to me that it's something similar to the Real D technology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_D_Cinema).
"VGchartz might not be totally accurate, but theyre pretty close"
Gets his sales numbers from a twenty something Xbot typing fabricated sales figures into his little website with all of the numbers accurate out to the last decimal so they look 'legit'.
"In comparison shots, most games have better graphics on 360"
The 360's first party titles are so graphically embarassing that he is forced to rely on rigged 'comparsions' from the Xbots at gametrailers. Using intentionally setup of wrong video captures for the PS3, playing games with higher image compression on the PS3 images, capturing PS3 screenshots at different resolutions and then doing an intenionally shoddy job of scaling them, or even better when they were caught red handed just flat out fabricating a PS3 comparison and then responded 'yeah, so what, what are you going to do about it' like pathetic little teenage Xbots
"I wonder who loses more money on it's console"
And of course the continual delusions about the insane Xbox losses. Three years into its sad and pathetic life, the RRoD box built out of the cheapest and shittiest components and manufacturing is still losing money even with the idiotic 50 dollar a year online fees you are forced to pay and the FUCKING MAC BUSINESS unit having been moved over into the E&D division to try to hide the losses.
Care to make an even bigger fool out of yourself you fucking piece of shit Xbot?
Sony has managed to put together the most reliable console in history with brand new drive technology and a gigantic graphical power advantage over the 360 and they are already breaking even on the hardware at the two year mark. And they are now getting huge amounts of royalties from every BluRay player after they beat the crap out of Microsoft and Toshiba's turd format HD-DVD.
8+ billion dollars wasted on the Xbox fiasco and all they have to show for it is the worst console hardware in history.
High five Microsoft!
That is the greatest website ever
See those underlined words in the post above?
Those are called "hyperlinks".
When you position your "pointer" on them, using your "mouse device", and "click" on them they will take you to another "web site".
There is text on these "web sites".
Read it.
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It's been a while. Obviously after Microsoft was forced to admit to the RRoD fiasco there was little point in paying people to sit around parroting the "less than 3 percent which is actually pretty good compared to industry averages" or something very close to that talking point.
The guy ended up getting a tag making fun of him being a paid for Microsoft astroturfer and he took on a 'golly, I'm just a regular guy tone'. I don't know if he still actively posts.
Absolutely disgusting, but neogaf is owned/run by at least one Microsoft employee so just getting a tag was all that happened. Hard to imagine if Sony was stupid enough to pay people to sit around in forums doing damage control and a guy admitted it on neogaf and what would have happened with the Microsoft guy or guys running the site.
In 2006 Ken Kutaragi proclaimed that with the PS3 came "4D gaming". It seems that his retirement from Sony in August 2007 has stripped the PS3 of 2 entire dimensions. Sony engineers have only now been able to recover one of the lost dimensions via the use of specialised goggles, and it is not clear if the PS3 will ever return to 4D status.
When asked for comment, Mr Kutaragi noted that "Dimensions are but an illusion. Inside all of our souls is the true energy of dimensionality," before deep-throating the microphone and phasing back into the universe from whence he came.
I had higher hopes than have been borne out, but Valkyrian Battlefield is a system-seller at current prices, and while Famitsu didn't seem crazy about White Knight Legend, it's been selling well. Don't have my copy yet, so I can't comment personally. There are other good games out there, a nontrivial portion of which are exclusive
Still waiting for the team behind Ico and Wander and the Colossus to release their new project.
Haha, I certainly didn't expect this. Is this common?
What place is the Xbox 360 in in Asia? LAST
What place is the Xbox 360 in in Europe? LAST
Just like the first Xbox marketplace flop. So yeah, rah rah, Microsoft you're over 8 billion in losses so far and three plus years into the sad RRoD box'es life and you are still bleeding cash and losing money on the cheapest and shittiest console hardware ever created. And even the Mac software guys being moved over to the E&D division to try to cover up the Xbox fiasco can't generate enough profits to keep E&D out of the red.
Way to go Microsoft!
The only good news for Microsoft and their trainwreck of a console platform is the massive number of idiots continuing to re-buy new 360 consoles might actually put their worldwide installed base a couple million the 25 million selling marketplace flop of the first Xbox.
Too bad an increasing number of publishers even in the US are showing more revenue being generated by PS3 owners in the one market the 360 is still a viable platform and a year extra time on the market.
All those second, third, and fourth 360 consoles being bought aren't rebuying multiple copies of games. Doh!
If you don't tighten up your friends you might lose them.
Play Valkyria Chronicles. It rocks!
Very common, unfortunately... but always posted by anonymous cowards, so it can be filtered out.
Check out this clown's idiotic post history and the irony of him fretting about filtering out garbage...
He looks like a transvestite.
Sony 3d: it's so good, you'll change ...forever!!!! :-)
Slashdot has long since turned from the fairly pro-Linux/open source technology site that suffered from a bit too many BSOD jokes into a cesspool of fanboyism over the past few years.
When fanboy editors like Zonk arrived and and started going on daily tirades against platforms and companies he didn't like it drove away huge numbers of normal people from these types of stories and attracted huge numbers of fanboy modpoint warriors.
Zonk is thankfully long gone but the fanboys remain.
A pity, it use to be that the worst on Slashdot was having to deal with the ramblings of John Katz. But that was just annoying but harmless and didn't cause huge numbers of people to leave the site.
To me the black glasses are a dead giveaway.
Why? Polarized glasses like you would get at a 3D movie are also shaded like that.
It's too bad they didn't look more closely. The telltale of a shutter would be if you could find some sort of transmission to the glasses to synchronize the shutter. The NVIDIA system uses IR which would be a piece a cake to spot using a digital camera. Alternately, if it was IR they would be able to block the receiver with their hand, stopping the 3D effect. If they were using RF, it would be harder to spot, although it is possible they might see a flicker if they looked at a florescent light.
Polarized glasses would be even easier to check for. I doubt they would be normal polarized glasses, because then the image would degrade if your head was exactly perpendicular to the display. They would more likely be circular polarized, which could still be easily checked with a pair of glasses or a mirror.
Given Sony's expertise in TV/monitor manufacturing, and the fact that all the press releases talk about a new display, it seems more likely to me that they created a display with alternate polarization on each column. Without the glasses and with a normal video source this would appear like a normal display. But with the glasses, each eye would see an image with half the horizontal resolution of the display, and the output source could interlace these images to provide a different image to each eye.
I mean yes up close 3d stereoscopic visuals is nice and all but once things are even a little bit away I don't think you eyes use parallax to gauge distance anyway. (I don't know of the top of my head what the actual distance where parallax no longer works in the real world for human vision.) Admittedly I'm kind of jaded on this, they tried it in the 80's with TV when I was a kid and it didn't work that well. They tried it on the NES and SMS and it didn't work that well. (The SMS had a cool liquid crystal shutter system though.) I saw versions on the PC in the 90's which didn't work that well. So I'd figure this one would be kind of pointless.
Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
The glasses in the picture look like Circular Passive Polarized ones sold by RealD. These glasses are used either with Passive-Polarized LCD monitors or more complicated passive-polarized dual projection systems (or an actively polarized Z-Screen if you're really rich).
The advantage of this technology is that you DON'T need a high refresh rate, and the technology does not cut the refresh rate in half (instead, it cuts the resolution in half, but you hardly notice when you're playing the game).
Google Arisawa P240W (high end, $2000, best I've seen on a 24" monitor) or Zalman Trimon (low end, $500, still acceptable).
I hope Sony puts 3D capable PS machines on the market. Then 3D will make sense for game parlor type of places, which is where it is most suited right now.
Disclaimer: I own a company that distributes these monitors...
"Nyah, nyah, 3-D Playstation 3... Yo' momma had a card reader, and enough USB ports for everyone to hook up..."
Bow-ties are cool.
Neeeeerrrrrrdd rrrraaaaagggggeeeee!
Sony's check is in the mail.
Shut the fuck up and go play the latest Madden game you stupid frat-boy Sony apologist.
I recently had a discussion with a friend who works at Id. He says that their new engine has virtually identical quality on both the PS3 and 360, which fixes one huge issue with the Unreal engine that so many companies have been using. So, hopefully, as more games come out using Id tech, there will be greater parity between the consoles. For Id's latest game, the DVD capacity vs Bluray capacity supposedly hurts the 360 graphics relative to the PS3.
Yeah, I want an 802.11n router with web bittorrent support, external harddrive support and eventually wireless audio to.
It will be hard to find one though so I'm starting to considering getting a netbook with an external HDD and eventually an OS supporting airfoil and max it with RAM and use that one instead.
I assume all wireless cards can work as accesspoints? Or do I need anything special for that?
Netbook = Not that high energy consumption, lots of processing power for the purpose, lots of RAM for handling lots of torrents.
External drives = Awesome for time machine backup purposes and bittorrent.
Whatever unix(-like) OS and some web interface for torrents = No need to download files on my laptop.
Airfoil = Works as wireless "speaker" for my laptop, no need for cables.
It works on XP and Vista with the vast majority of games available today. It's completely changed the way I game. Check it out. http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d_stereo.html
I was all psyched on the nVidia glasses until I pictured my fat ass sitting in the middle of the living room, dawning them and headphones playing video games. I think this TV would be the better way to go.
Having to work for a living is the root of all evil.
Damn I wish I had some mod points. Cue me getting twenty in the morning.
A lot of people are proclaiming blu-ray as a success because of all the PS3s sold that no-one watches blu-rays on. Show us actual disk sales, not player sales. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if because of the PS3 including a blu-ray drive there have been more blu-ray players sold than blu-ray disks :P. Ok, that's not likely, but you can see how much the PS3 could skew the results by.
Or even the title.
Sony Teases 3D Playstation 3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3#Stereoscopic_3D
Stereoscopic 3D
In December 2008, SCE confirmed that they intend to support stereoscopic 3D games and Blu-ray movies in 2009.[186] This functionality will be introduced to the PlayStation 3 via a firmware update making the first and only games console capable of generating high definition 3D images.[187] This technology was first demonstrated publicly on the PS3 in January 2009 at the Consumer Electronics Show. Journalists were shown Wipeout HD and Gran Turismo 5 Prologue in 3D as a demonstration of how the technology might work if it is implemented in the future.
As for refresh rate and glasses...
HD does not go over 60Hz at the moment. And that only with 720p and 1080i.
And while 120Hz TVs are relatively new - 100Hz TVs have been around for a decade or more.
So, unless your TV's remote comes with a cord - there are pretty good chances it has a rather comfortable refresh rate.
Which is actually - irrelevant.
Those "no shutter job or anything" glasses are actually circularly polarized glasses.
In fact, if you look closely at the photo in the original article you can make out the Real D logo on the glasses.
Circularly polarized glasses
To present a stereoscopic motion picture, two images are projected superimposed onto the same screen through circular polarizing filters of opposite handedness. The viewer wears low-cost eyeglasses which contain a pair of analyzing filters (circular polarizers mounted in reverse) of opposite handedness. Light that is left-circularly polarized is extinguished by the right-handed analyzer; while right-circularly polarized light is extinguished by the left-handed analyzer. The result is similar to that of steroscopic viewing using linearly polarized glasses; except the viewer can tilt his head and still maintain left/right separation.
Real D Cinema System (used recently with the sterescopic Disney movie, "Chicken Little 3D") uses electronically driven circular polarizers that alternate between left- and right- handedness, and does so in sync with the left or right image being displayed by the (digital) movie projector.
So, refresh rate - irrelevant. If it works in 2-D it will work in 3-D.
So, that "massively higher cost" you are talking about comes down to $1.95 for the glasses while that "lower image quality" does not even exist - since it is the case of only displaying a "doubled" image as can very well be seen in the photo in the article.
Unless you refuse to fork over those 2$ cause it is an outrageous case of bait and switch making the consumer spend extra on hardware just so he/she/it could play the game.
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I use my Nvidia based lcd shutter glasses to play DX games in 3d, it's truly brilliant. The only problem one has with off the shelf games is that 2d HUDs are not 3d entities so are sometimes hard to read / get in the way.
Also you need a 100Hz CRT monitor that runs interlaced but they are easy to find.
Popping rockets off and seeing the trajectory is such fun. Driving is better. I love it.
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I agree, but they are slowly getting better. The initial cost of 800 dollars was insane. I'd rather buy a used car than a PS3 at that price point. It's more fun bag driving a vehicle than playing video games anyway. Now you can get a pretty nice version for around 400-500 bucks, They're almost there.
I haven't heard about enough cool games on the PS3 to justify buying one yet, but as the price goes down, it's only a matter of time before the games get there. If my PSP is any indication, they've also got the now standard on-line store, which means once you get the console for the bigger games, you won't have to worry about having a console that literally can't do anything. Among the three consoles, it seems like Sony's store has the best games for the lowest prices, which is a nice perk.
It's been a long time.