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A Sony Camera Running Linux

jonr writes "At the recently concluded Consumer Electronics Show, Sony presented the new camera from its Cyber-shot product line. The DSC-G3 comes with a Zeiss lens with 4x zoom, a large 3.5" touch display, and 4GB of internal memory. Most interesting is the camera's software that includes, among other things, face and scene recognition, based on Busybox and Kernel 2.6.11 for the Access Linux Platform. The camera also has built-in Wi-Fi."

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  1. Yeah but, by ehaggis · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Does it run...oh yeah...never mind.

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    1. Re:Yeah but, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...Does it run...oh yeah...never mind.

      Being from Sony, it does run a rootkit.

      And don't mod all the rootkit posts down, mod them UP. As a lesson to anyone out there even contemplating embedding malware into their products, Sony needs to pay for their bit of greedy asininity for a LONG time.

    2. Re:Yeah but, by pato101 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nice, that is not the only model which is running Linux. Actually, my own camera (eighteen months old) seems to be running Linux as well:
      http://www.sony.net/Products/Linux/Download/DSC-W90.html
      Here is a list of their products using Linux, as I understand:
      http://www.sony.net/Products/Linux/Download/search.html

    3. Re:Yeah but, by Pepebuho · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can we build a Beowulf cluster of these?

    4. Re:Yeah but, by kmike · · Score: 2

      Yes it does, and surprisingly, so do many many more Sony products:
      http://www.sony.net/Products/Linux/Download/search.html

      Seeing that more than two dozen recent Sony cameras already run Linux ( http://www.sony.net/Products/Linux/Download/category14.html ), I find this new piece quite obsolete.

    5. Re:Yeah but, by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's simple. Sony has multiple personalities. Haven't you never noticed how they sold DVD drives that had features in them whose only use was to make it possible to rip the very DVDs Sony sold?

      I think it's pretty likely that the hardware guys at Sony are like most hardware guys: pretty cool (in geek terms). And that the media guys are just like most other media guys: crooks.
      Same think for marketing, management, and so on...

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  2. But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will it run *BSD?

  3. My 5 year old Sony TV came with a GPL notice by YesIAmAScript · · Score: 4, Informative

    For busybox.

    So this isn't a new thing for Sony.

    There's even a URL at Sony's site for the code (of course). I forget what it was.

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    1. Re:My 5 year old Sony TV came with a GPL notice by Hairy+Heron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well of course it's not new, they are a well-known supporter and user of Linux.

    2. Re:My 5 year old Sony TV came with a GPL notice by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Shh. Quite. The concept that a company can support Linux and DRM could cause some peoples on Slashdot heads to explode.

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    3. Re:My 5 year old Sony TV came with a GPL notice by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Funny

      DRM: because yes, it does run Linux!

      Take a picture of copyright material and watch the camera rm -rf itself. No refunds!

    4. Re:My 5 year old Sony TV came with a GPL notice by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not really, the concept of "tivoization" isn't exactly unknown in linux land. People frequently don't like it; but its existence is lost on nobody.

    5. Re:My 5 year old Sony TV came with a GPL notice by poopdeville · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not quite. The Sony that makes TVs is not the same company as the one that sells music. They share little more than the name.

      Not true. Sony Corp. owns the Sony Group, and has a direct historical and managerial relationship with them.

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    6. Re:My 5 year old Sony TV came with a GPL notice by idontgno · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not true. Sony Corp. owns the Sony Group, and has a direct historical and managerial relationship with them.

      Nonetheless:

      Right Hand: "Left Hand, WTF are you doing"?

      Left Hand: "None of your business."

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    7. Re:My 5 year old Sony TV came with a GPL notice by PuercoPop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think that they are quite aware of it...

      You know that is the whole reason for the GPL3...

      for companies like TiVo that use GPL software but place DRM restrictions.

  4. Year of the Linux camera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    better than nothing..

    1. Re:Year of the Linux camera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If everyone who buys this camera this year sets it down on top of a desk, it will be the year of Linux on the desktop!

    2. Re:Year of the Linux camera? by sdpuppy · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I can just see what the little kids say now:

      "Daddy's camera's got a penguin on the screen when he starts it up!"

      Something like that happened a while ago when I got on on of those airplanes with a LCD on the back of each chair - they had to reboot the computer and the screen showed the boot sequence, including penguin. No, no no - this was the entertainment computer.

  5. Price by CannonballHead · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those interested but too lazy to click a link:

    The DSC-G3 costs about $500 in the U.S.

    1. Re:Price by xtracto · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Does it read SD cards? or are you still limited to the propietary overpriced sony stick pro duo?

      I refuse to buy any Sony for several reasons, and one of them is their use of closed propietary shit.

      Right now all my devices are "standardized" to use SD... heck, even Nintendo got it right!

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  6. Cool Link by olddotter · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the 90's a friend told me Linux would NEVER be used for embedded devices. Its fun to send him links like this. Fun in a very mischievous way.

    1. Re:Cool Link by qoncept · · Score: 2, Funny

      He actually said Linux users would never have any luck IN BED, and would need to use devices to satisfy themselves.

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  7. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  8. Wi-Fi cameras by crow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember the story about Amtrak security forcing someone to delete the photos they had taken? With the preponderance of hot spots and more and more cameras supporting Wi-Fi, this would mean that the concept of deleting photos may soon be an anachronism (and none too soon).

    1. Re:Wi-Fi cameras by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It gets better. I ran across a service for my Blackberry called Qik that lets you stream video live from the phone, and saves the video to the site straight away.

      So, for example, if someone who had a phone with Qik was taping the BART shooting or something equally embarrassing to $powerful_group, even if security forced you to delete the video and took the phone, the video's already out there.

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    2. Re:Wi-Fi cameras by PPH · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not really. You just say "Yessir!" and delete the local copy.
      If they continue to pressure you, you just say, "Well, I hit the 'Delete' button. What more you you want?"

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    3. Re:Wi-Fi cameras by Tryfen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This happened to me.

      I was stopped & searched by the police on the London Transport System. I streamed it live to Qik via an N95 8GB.
      It was very interesting to see how quickly the video spread around.

      Qik - and other live streaming services - could be a very important part of our society. I dislike the idea of a panopticon - but I'd rather have one controlled by "us" rather than "them".

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  9. The 'Smart' Camera Revolution by Van+Cutter+Romney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The last decade heralded the smart cellphone revolution. Cellphones with more and more features including camera, bluetooth, wireless, PDA yada yada.

    I think what we are witnessing here is the beginning of the camera revolution. Smart cameras with wireless capabilities. Soon we shall see direct integration with social networks, ability to communicate over Skype etc. Innovation from the other end of the spectrum.

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    1. Re:The 'Smart' Camera Revolution by Enderandrew · · Score: 2, Informative

      What we're talking about here is a $500 camera, which is a bit different from the cheap cameras they bundle with phones.

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    2. Re:The 'Smart' Camera Revolution by sdpuppy · · Score: 4, Funny

      [imagine low end DSLR] Problem would be getting the nose-prints off the lens when you answer the camera.

  10. Will it support Linux client access? by erroneus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have been watching this happen over and over and over again. Companies developing their products to use Linux but turn around and not support Linux client access. I had stupidly picked up a wireless networked video camera that was known to run Linux on the inside and made a very stupid assumption that Linux client access would therefore be a no-brainer. WRONG! It was Windows only for client access... not even Mac could access it. That was the beginning of the eye-openers for me. It is sad and annoying... they take from the community and then don't give back.

    Personally, I just don't buy anything that has the Sony label on it any longer. Not Sony-BMG music, not Sony movies, not Sony games, not Sony cameras, not Sony TVs, not Sony anything else. Sony has burned this customer too many times for me to have any faith in them and so far, I see little changes in their behavior. Their computers are complete crap too, by the way. Sony once had astounding popularity as a name brand, but they have burned more bridges than my own to be sure. I know at least 50% of Japan is anti-Sony. It is amazing that they are still humming along as well as they are.

    1. Re:Will it support Linux client access? by harlows_monkeys · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have been watching this happen over and over and over again. Companies developing their products to use Linux but turn around and not support Linux client access. I had stupidly picked up a wireless networked video camera that was known to run Linux on the inside and made a very stupid assumption that Linux client access would therefore be a no-brainer. WRONG! It was Windows only for client access... not even Mac could access it.

      Similar experience here. My computer uses capacitors made by Johanson Dielectrics, so I carefully picked a GPS that also uses capacitors from Johanson Dielectrics, figuring that meant they would work together, but the damned thing would not work with my computer.

    2. Re:Will it support Linux client access? by cusco · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Their security cameras are technically fairly decent, but physically crap. We've sent some of them back as many as four times for repair, and out of every dozen cameras at least one will come out of the box dead. Their quality control might be adequate for the consumer market, but for professionals who may have to be on top of a 40 foot lift to install a camera getting one with a bad NIC or power adapter or corrupt OS or PTZ motor (we saw all of those on one single job) they're not good enough. Additionally, they only can be viewed with IE.

      They're twice the price of an Axis camera, which doesn't have the quality control issues, who will do an advance replacement if there's a problem, who has intelligent tech support immediately available, whose cameras work with any browser on any OS. We only install Sony equipment under duress.

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  11. Re:Wi-Fi by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What does 'innovate' mean in this case?

  12. It doesn't meet minimum hardware requirements by davidwr · · Score: 5, Funny

    It only has 4GB of internal memory.

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    1. Re:It doesn't meet minimum hardware requirements by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Windows 98SE it is, then.

  13. Attention! Remove HARDHACK tag! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whoever tagged this hardhack...
     
    Why? A hardhack involves a hardware modification. This is not the case.
     
    Typical uninformed slashdot person.

  14. I was going to buy a Canon by davidwr · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There are several Canon cameras that allow 3rd-party open-source firmware.

    If this can be flashed then it's worth a look-see.

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  15. Sony and Linux by Rob+Y. · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interesting that there was an article here just the other day about how Sony has no interest in making or selling Linux laptops or netbooks.

    I wonder why not. It's easy to forget that they use Linux in other products and even offer it on the PS3. So why not netbooks? Is it a matter of just avoiding the low-end, low margin segments of the market? It couldn't be any love for Microsoft, could it?

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    1. Re:Sony and Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People expect laptops to behave a particular way. They expect them to act like a windows computer.

      No on really picks up a camara or console with a predisposition a particular UI. They don't expect to have IE or a Start Button or whatever. They don't expect it to be able to run software not controlled by sony.

      Consumers expect computers to run windows. Consumers don't think of consoles and cameras as computers. It's not really all that hard to see why sony makes the same distinctions that their customers do, even if they are kinda dumb and don't serve anyone's interest other than Microsoft.

    2. Re:Sony and Linux by indi0144 · · Score: 2, Funny

      7.. 7 is the new vista, it's working now on beta but on release that will be fixed.

  16. Re:But can it run Vista? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    2009! Year of Vista on Desktop!

  17. I have no idea how this works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The specs on the camera from the Sony website say that this camera only captures JPEG. Does anyone think that it would it be possible to change the source code so that it supported RAW capture?

  18. More to the point, by nobodylocalhost · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can it run crysis?

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  19. Sony's Caring Customers by camperdave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sony has no interest in making or selling Linux laptops or netbooks. I wonder why not.

    Both cameras and laptops require an operating system. For cameras, nobody cares what it is, as long as the thing takes pictures. As such, Sony has a free hand as to which OS to install. Laptops, are different. Customers care which OS is on their laptop. Customers (like it or not) want Windows on their laptops. If Sony doesn't provide Windows on their laptops, the customers will find another laptop vendor who will.

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  20. Re:Any good? by pato101 · · Score: 2, Informative

    My DSC-W90 seems to be running Linux as well(http://www.sony.net/Products/Linux/Download/DSC-W90.html). And from "power on" to "ready to snap" takes about a second.

  21. Imagine... by mustafap · · Score: 5, Funny

    a Beowulf cluster of these. Actually I don't need to; I live in surveillance UK :o)

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  22. aye, i agree by someone1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It would be newsworthy only if a camera runs Vista!

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    1. Re:aye, i agree by chemisus · · Score: 5, Funny

      It appears you want to take a picture, allow or deny?

    2. Re:aye, i agree by Abstrackt · · Score: 2, Funny

      It would be newsworthy only if a camera runs Vista!

      It would also be the size of a refrigerator.

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  23. Re:Wi-Fi by afidel · · Score: 2, Informative

    Huh, a 10MP NEF is about 9MB which should take 4-5 seconds over 802.11g.

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  24. Re:Pfffbt! by Siridar · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can run Vista on 512 MB of RAM, but not nicely.

    That's not running Vista, friend.

    That's walking.