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Future Astronauts May Survive On Eating Silkworms

sciencehabit writes "Science reports that silkworms may be an ideal food source for future space missions. They breed quickly, require little space and water, and generate smaller amounts of excrement than poultry or fish. They also contain twice as many essential amino acids as pork does and four times as much as eggs and milk. Even the insect's inedible silk, which makes up 50% of the weight of the dry cocoon, could provide nutrients: The material can be rendered edible through chemical processing and can be mixed with fruit juice, sugar, and food coloring to produce jam."

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  1. Food for thought by jerep · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now we just have to solve this space radiation issue and how to shield astronauts from it.

    1. Re:Food for thought by jerep · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From what I know they're merely aware of the problem and haven't fully solved it, unless I'm really mistaken there's no way for current spacesuits to completely shield astronauts from radiation outside the earth's magnetic field.

    2. Re:Food for thought by sdpuppy · · Score: 5, Funny
      Hmmm, given the article's topic, now I wonder if they ever tested the radiation shielding properties of silk.

      Hey if that works, they've got the solution to space travel all wrapped up!

    3. Re:Food for thought by compro01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In space, yes. Outside the earth's magnetosphere, no. Even out on the moon, the magnetosphere still protects them from much of the nastiness (solar wind, cosmic rays, etc.), but if we're gonna go to Mars or wherever, we'll need to bring our own protection.

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    4. Re:Food for thought by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Funny

      If anything they could use it to spin some lingerie for the female astronauts to help with those lonely space nights.

    5. Re:Food for thought by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Funny

      The depths of the ocean are just creepy.

      Wow, man. That's deep!

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    6. Re:Food for thought by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 5, Interesting

      From what I understand, it's almost impossible for people to have sex in Zero-G. Male Astronauts have apparently tried quite a bit, even with the help of drugs, but they -can't- get an erection.

      This makes sense since most of the blood in your body flows to your head when you're in Zero-G.

      Sorry to burst all of your geeky dreams.

    7. Re:Food for thought by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Funny

      Male Astronauts have apparently tried quite a bit

      Unless you have a citation for this I'm going to assume that you are confusing the NASA channel with old Cinemax reruns of Emmanuelle in Space ;)

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    8. Re:Food for thought by Gerzel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The ocean is connected to the land as far as ecosystems go. A single asteroid can kill off both land and oceanic populations.

      On the other hand if you had viable terrestrial and space populations then a single asteroid would have a much more difficult go at it.

      And it isn't just asteroids that we have to worry about. It isn't a matter of if the surface of this planet will become uninhabitable to humans it is a more a matter of when.

      Space Colonization is a matter of survival of the species and other species as well. Also we may just learn something along the way.

    9. Re:Food for thought by Experiment+626 · · Score: 4, Funny

      From what I understand, it's almost impossible for people to have sex in Zero-G. Male Astronauts have apparently tried quite a bit, even with the help of drugs, but they -can't- get an erection. This makes sense since most of the blood in your body flows to your head when you're in Zero-G.

      So NASA just needs to screen astronaut applicants for the ability to mastrubate while standing on their head...

    10. Re:Food for thought by R2.0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "but if we're gonna go to Mars or wherever, we'll need to bring our own protection."

      No we don't - according to a poster above, men can't even get an erection in space, much less impregnate anyone.

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    11. Re:Food for thought by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Female astronauts have no problem, they have blood in their head during normal sex too.

    12. Re:Food for thought by gregbot9000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      but if we're gonna go to Mars or wherever, we'll need to bring our own protection.

      Wait are you talking about the radiation or is this still the space sex thread?

    13. Re:Food for thought by RoccamOccam · · Score: 5, Funny

      Null gravity's awkward for lovers,
      especially pushers and shovers.
      The problems of docking
      and then interlocking
      are greatly increased when one hovers.

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    14. Re:Food for thought by YttriumOxide · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just in case you were unaware, Kangaroo is relatively commonly eaten in the great southern land of Oz. It's considered a generally "low quality" meat though, and is also used as pet food. Although, you can get kangaroo steaks and burgers intended for human consumption in most supermarkets or on the menus of some eateries, especially at tourist locations.

      Koalas on the other hand are legally protected.

      As a note, Australia is the only country in the world that eats both the animals displayed on its coat of arms (Kangaroo and Emu). I'm not sure the British could, even if they wanted, since they have a Lion and a Unicorn, and most Americans would probably be a little averse to the idea of Eagle for dinner.

      I think the silkworms probably do make more sense than trying to get a bunch of roos on a space vessel (I'm loving the imagery of that though)

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  2. gross by yincrash · · Score: 4, Funny

    so what do they taste like??
    can we make them taste like bacon?

    1. Re:gross by astrodoom · · Score: 5, Funny

      With enough butter, anything can taste okay. The best part is their texture though. Nice and silky.

    2. Re:gross by Bobartig · · Score: 5, Informative

      They taste kind of like a very musty bean, but they have the typical cooked larva mouthfeel to them, a slightly taught exterior that 'pops' when you bite into them, and a soft creamy interior.

      I'm not just talking shit either. Silk worms are a very common street vendor food in Korea, and I tried some the last time I was there. I'd seen them for decades, but I'd chickened out when I saw them in my earlier years.

      If I was in some sort of survival environment, like the harsh vacuum of space, I wouldn't mind eating silk worms, but on a regular basis, I'm not too fond of them.

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    3. Re:gross by Beat+The+Odds · · Score: 5, Informative

      can we make them taste like bacon?

      Yes... just wrap them in bacon...

    4. Re:gross by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, here is the recipe:

        - Take fresh (or not so fresh) worms
        - Garnish with whatever you like (like eggs)
        - before eating, replace worms with bacon

    5. Re:gross by Hadlock · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How are they served in Korea? Sounds like you ate them whole... cooked or raw? Can you get them fried? (yes I'm from the south). If they taste like beans can you grind them up into a hummus or bean dip? Refried worms, mmmm.

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    6. Re:gross by famebait · · Score: 3, Funny

      PIGS!
      IN!
      SPAAAaaaAAAaaaAAAaaaACE!

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    7. Re:gross by Zordak · · Score: 5, Informative

      I think musty bean is being generous. I tried one, and it just tasted like dirt. Korea has some great dishes, but bbeon-dae-gi isn't one of them.

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    8. Re:gross by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you have a Korean market near you, you can easily find cans of silkworm pupas in some sort of paste/sauce. My mom used to get them (she's Korean) until she realized what it was she was buying/eating.

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    9. Re:gross by nickdwaters · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Space travel is extreme backpacking! If you've ever backpacked, you don't think twice about eating food you wouldn't normally eat at home. There are various gateway foods you can eat, such as sushi and in particular uni (sea urchin testes...no shit...nasty), which will make the consumption of silk worms seem like dessert. Hunger is a powerful motivator.

    10. Re:gross by MikeDirnt69 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hakuna Matata!

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    11. Re:gross by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Last time I was there I had some great meat balls. They really were the dog's bollocks.

    12. Re:gross by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Mod this guy up.

      People around the world eat some strange shit. Snails, dog, pork guts (chitterlings), carob-coated insects, fish eggs, and probably some nasty shit I've never heard of. Some of this stuff might be considered a delicacy tody, but I am sure it all started due to hunger.

      Have you ever looked at a cow? What made some poor bastard decide to milk that huge, stinking thing? Yep. Hunger!

      I watched a documentary a few years back that showed a guy driving a stick into the side of a cow. A stream of blood mixed with something else poured out of the animal and was collected and ...gagh... drunk.

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    13. Re:gross by kimvette · · Score: 5, Funny

      Who was the guy who first looked at a chicken and thought "I'm gonna eat the first thing that comes out of that bird's butt."

      Thank god the egg came out first.

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    14. Re:gross by fbjon · · Score: 3, Informative

      They're either boiled, roasted or steamed, then eaten raw pretty much as such with some seasoning. Definitely not raw though.

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    15. Re:gross by vidarh · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cut urchin in half with kitchen shears while enjoying the spines moving about in your hand. Add a dash of soy sauce. Eat with spoon. Repeat.

      I think you just made PETA's hit list for that comment.

  3. Cutlery! by mrRay720 · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you can find a way to properly polymerise their silk, you could even make plastic knives and forks (or better, a spork) out of their silk to eat them with.

    Breed larger silkworks and you could even use them to make the plates to eat them from! BONUS!

    1. Re:Cutlery! by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah the Spork. With spokes to short to grab anything, however their unique shape prevents it from pickup liquid well either.

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  4. The death of a myth by 4D6963 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They started drinking their own pee, and now they're gonna eat silkworms? No wonder why kids don't dream of becoming astronauts anymore, this thing is more awful than Survivor!

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    1. Re:The death of a myth by db32 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I dunno...young kids think pee drinking and worm eating is funny and often do strange things of that nature. What killed it for me was "Oh wow, Astronaut Ice Cream!" *munch* *munch* "This is disgusting semiflavored chalk! To hell with this nonsense."

      It doesn't help that the previous generation had Apollo 11 and that "one small step" thing as a huge success. Then they had Apollo 13 and "Houston we've had a problem" that while missing the moon turned into a huge survival story success. My generation has had the Challenger and Columbia *kaboom* everyone dead stories. Now...building the Mir space station was a big story when I was a little kid. I remember our science teacher had us save our little milk carton things from lunch until we could build a huge one to hang up. Of course that one ended in a publicity stunt with Taco Bell promising free tacos if Mir hit some giant floating target in the ocean.

      The previous generation got all the really cool and amazing space stories. My generation has gotten a few monumental failures, some publicity stunts, and space robots (which are pretty cool, but not a whole lot of that man to the moon excitement stuff).

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  5. Hey by IceCreamGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    "What's for dinner tonight, Dave?"
    "Oh, I don't know, Frank, how about... MORE FU(#1NG WORMS!?"
    "Just calm down and pass the worm jam."

  6. oblig by pak9rabid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fear Factor: Astronaut Edition

  7. Wow, great timing! by phillymjs · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Now Hershey's can spin this nasty incident as test marketing of their new Space Brownies!

    ~Philly

  8. Asians eat these already by Bobartig · · Score: 3, Informative

    Seen 'em all over the place in Korea from street carts. They always have this particular insect trifecta: Silk Worms, Crickets, and freshwater Snails:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beondegi

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  9. Food Coloring? by fractalVisionz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The material can be rendered edible through chemical processing and can be mixed with fruit juice, sugar, and food coloring to produce jam.

    Do we really need to waste precious cargo space and weight to bring up food coloring? I suppose astronauts might want green or purple catchup too.

  10. Want to see someone trying it? by smellsofbikes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Benchilada eats silkworm pupae live on video, So You Don't Have To. (not mentioned in the video is the fact that his friend, helping him, started throwing up convulsively soon after they finished filming the episode.)

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  11. Must be in the NASA manual... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Astronaut 1, "But where in my contact does it say that I have to eat the same food for breakfast everyday for three years?"

    Astronaut 2,"Paragraph 47, subsection 19, cause 9a. You can find it in the index under S.U.A.E.I."

    Astronaut 1,"S.U.A.E.I.?"

    Astronaut 2,"Shut up and eat it."


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  12. Spnife by Nerdposeur · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even better is the Spnife: round enough to hold soup, but sharp enough to slice your mouth.

  13. If they taste like they smell...... by MjDelves · · Score: 5, Funny

    so what do they taste like?? can we make them taste like bacon?

    Last year I was in Korea where the streets are lined with vendors frying up silkworm pupae on the street as an, *ahem*, delicacy. The smell wafting down the road can only be described as a cross between death and pus. I would eat my fellow astronauts over silkworms.

  14. The mass still has to come from somewhere by nasor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The big issue with space missions in mass. Silk worms aren't going to magically create silk worm meat (or whatever you call it) from nothing - for ever 1 kg of silk worm that you grow to eat, you will have to bring along at least 1 kg of silkworm food. So why not just bring human-edible food instead of silk worm food?

    1. Re:The mass still has to come from somewhere by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 5, Informative

      Several points:

      1) The article states that Silkworms seem to be the most compact form of Human-edible food. 1kg of Silkworm Meat will give you far more nutrients and proteins than 1kg of Chicken meat.

      2) For a long-term space mission, (we're talking at -least- decades from now) you would need a renewable food source that ultimately converts solar energy into consumable chemical energy, since Humans can't eat sunlight. So futuristic Arcology-like spaceships might have greenhouses to harness solar energy, and astronauts could eat grown food. However, even Vegans need vitamin supplements and the article states that for protein and nutrient purposes, Silkworms make a great compact, efficient, renewable food source.

    2. Re:The mass still has to come from somewhere by RobBebop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So why not just bring human-edible food instead of silk worm food?

      "Human-edible food" is like this simple loop that most people here should understand:

      ---> for (int x=100; x--; x>0)

      After the function ends, the astronaunts die. I think I've read that astronauts "consume" 10kg of materials (air,water,food) per day so that it would cost 300kg to support somebody for a month if nothing ever got recycled. What space colonists need is a simple food-chain like this:

      ----> while (1) { plants(Sun, Fertiziler); silkworm(Plants); humans(Silkworm); }

      In this way, you can recycle the processed waste from the silkworm and the humans (i.e. the "Fertilizer") and combine that with available Sunlight to generate a continuous cycle of food. And when "not dying" is the goal, it really won't matter how it tastes.

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    3. Re:The mass still has to come from somewhere by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Citation needed. An unbalanced diet can require supplements, but a vegan diet can be balanced, at least according to the NIH, although it's harder than a non-vegan diet.

      Citation: In space, there is a bit less biodiversity than on Earth. It wouldn't be a stretch to assume that it might be a bit difficult for astronauts to maintain a balanced diet if vegans here on Earth are having trouble doing so.

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  15. or go vegetarian? by Gothmolly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given that it costs more to raise an animal on vegetable feed than you gain by eating it, why not just eat the food that they're feeding the silkworms ?

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  16. China is all set for their space program then! by Cthefuture · · Score: 3, Funny

    This should be great for their fledgling space program and will prove they're committed to a peaceful future. They have vast quantities of old Silkworms laying around ready to be made into food. Gives a whole new meaning to the term explosive diarrhea though.

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  17. Unintentional entomophagy by troll8901 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Good one.

    Just wanna point out that we had always been eating insect parts in jams, canned fruits, and other products, without being aware.

    That said ... EEEEWWWW!! Over my dead body!

  18. Spin Control by Chris Moriarty by argent · · Score: 4, Informative

    I guess Chris Moriarty's novel "Spin Control", where a good deal of the biomass for a long-term space mission was silkworms, was ahead of the curve.

  19. Re:silkworms in a can by Migraineman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Steve over at The Sneeze posted his experience eating silkworms. I can't say they look overly appetizing.

  20. Re:Potato Chips on a Sub by rudeboy1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What you're not getting, is that they're concerned with finding a food source that can be replicated while en route to Mars. Say the Mars crew was 5 people strong. 3 years is 1095 days. For 5 people to eat 3 square meals a day, that's 5475 servings of food. Scratch that, not servings, but complete meals, which generally represent at least a couple servings of various food groups. The concern is that A.)You're packing a ton of extra weight that has to break Earth's gravity, and then adding in additional fuel to compensate, which then makes the craft even heavier. B.) That much food, even in compact forms like tuna cans and beef jerky, is still going to take a massive area just for storage. Again, extra weight added to craft for additional spacecraft real estate. C.)Survivability. Most of the foods you listed will not keep at room temperature for 3 years. Tuna, perhaps, but jerky, bagels, etc. Won't make it even close to that. You can freeze it, but this will also require extra gear, energy and materials to accomplish.

    Now, if you were to introduce a renewable food source like the silk worm, most of those problems are reduced considerably. You leave orbit with only a seed population, and since their bodies, much like ours, are comprised mostly of water, it is not a straight equation of 1LB of worm food begets 1LB of worms. They eat leaves, which could theoretically also be grown using a minimum of resources, which only require light (free), water (recyclable) and soil (recyclable). Therefore you are netting a gain in food that is more than what you leave with from Earth.

    I'm sure they will probably pack some regular food too, but likely more as an appeasement to keep the astronauts sane. It will be spaced out sparingly over a long ride, and is essentially a luxury. I view it a lot like the food situation in Firefly, where most of their diet is comprised from nondescript protein bars. If you didn't see the behind the scenes of them making those protein bars, I think you'd be looking at a very similar set of circumstances. Once the worms have been harvested, they can be processed any number of ways, including being refined and compacted into their most efficient form (bars). Then you add in a box of strawberries every now and then just to keep from going all bibbledy.

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