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Trying To Find White House Missing E-mails
Gov IT writes "On Wednesday a federal court ordered all employees working in the Bush White House to surrender media that might contain e-mails sent or received during a two and a half year period in hope of locating missing messages before President-elect Barack Obama takes over next week."
They are unable to find Iraqi WMDs either - maybe the emails have also long since been destroyed.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
For security purposes, it is a little known fact that Dick Cheney was a major proponent in getting the entire Executive Branch to adopt RCF 2549 methods of transport. Message deletion consisted of a little "hunting accident" on the family ranch.
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going to do with a 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 inch Penis?
There is no way in hell the emails disappeared without the act being intentional (and thus in violation of the law). George Bush needs to be held to account for this.
Prosecute an outgoing President?
I don't like Bush as a President at all. But the job of the President is to make tough decisions and along the way he will make lots of enemies. However, just because a person is my enemy, it does not mean that he made those difficult decisions with anything but his best intentions and the country's best interests at heart. So it would be petty and irresponsible for us "enemies" of the current President to pursue this type of vindictive hounding because 4 years from now those same tactics will be used against a President I support.
Respect the office.
Is that really so bad?
It's not like he got a blowjob or anything!
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...it's sailing away!
Really people this is over.
I'm a serious lefty. I hate war criminals because I am Jewish. I marched in Manhattan against the war in Iraq the February before it started. It happened. The crimes have been committed. We blindly followed zealots and morons into domestic and foreign policies that have ruined our nation morally and economically.
My question is, what new things do you expect to learn? Is there any reason to read these emails? We know what they did and who is responsible. Maybe we don't have every gory detail. I doubt we need them. We could already try the major players.
But what punishment would be appropriate? The point of investigating these actions would have been to stop them and we did not do enough, as the American Citizenry, to stop them. WE EVEN RE-ELECTED the criminals.
We won't hang the offenders as is appropriate (Nuremberg anyone?), we won't hand them over to the victim nations. We didn't stop the crimes and as members of a democracy that makes us complicit.
Imagine a parent who gives their kid a case of beer and the keys to the car. The kid gets drunk and drives the car through the neighbor's house. What would the neighbor think if all the parents did was ground the kid for a few weeks?
Because Obama will be sure to properly archive all of his emails...and SMS messages...
It's not the judge's prerogative to rule over the executive branch. The Constitution specifically grants Congress the authority to judge the President via impeachment, not the courts.
This administration has been known for their easy relations and quick co-operation with the Department of Justice. I'm sure this request will be just as promptly answered, and always with courtesy!
All I have to say is good luck with that...
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You telling me Systems people don't do backups?
Thought not.
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Do they have to retain all spam messages too? If not, who determines what is spam and what isn't?
The people have the right to sue the executive branch. The venue for such suit is naturally the courts. In that case, it is indeed the prerogative of a judge to resolve the suit according to law.
Impeachment is a different beast entirely, which could result in actual punishment instead of just forcing them to hand over their documents.
"I'm sorry, your honor. We are completely incompetent." Who's NOT going to believe that after the last 8 years?
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
The only way this will change is if someone is held to account for it.
Dick Nixon was held accountable and all successive Presidents have learned from that lesson.
Your an idiot if you think this is anything new. It isn't. Clinton lost documents that was logged in record, he lost emails too. Before that Bush and Reagan had some of the same problem. Everything you said is still true with them and it fucking happened. But no, you want to look at your NAS that has been running for 10 years (year right) and assume that everything in your little rosy life is the way it is everywhere else. The problem is that the government doesn't hire the best or the brightest people. so your ideal world probably couldn't exist it you wanted it to anyways.
But let's not look at fucking reality. Lets all just live in your little perfect world and see everything through your rose colored glasses and ignore the realities of life.
Personal attacks aside, the point is that 700 days of email server records dont just vanish.
Of course not, but as the Clinton administration proved, it is not punishable - "no controlling authority". The Obama administration which is already starting out with corruption will do the same. Status quo.
They started to impeach Dick Nixon over too many records kept and the only reason it didn't stick was that he resigned first.
In a few years we'll be talking about missing emails from Obama's White House. Nothing to see, move along.
When you have not had an honest President since Taft over a century ago, it is in NO ONE's best interest to have accurate records.
...he'll find those missing emails in 24 hours.
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Having met, talked to, and worked with people from various three letter agencies I will argue the fact about them hiring the best and brightest. Some of the people that work for the government are scary intelligent. The best data recovery tools I have ever seen or used came out of one of said agencies, the same that came up with SELinux. So I'm going to say that lost email in this instance, while certainly inside the realm of possibility and more than likely, is borderline criminal negligence.
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