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One In 100 Carry Mutation For Heart Disease

mmmscience brings us news of a new study, published in Nature Genetics by an international team of scientists, that tells a scary story: globally, 1% of the population carry a gene mutation that is almost guaranteed to lead to some form of heart problems. On the Indian subcontinent, the prevalence is 4%. The mutation is a 25-letter deletion of DNA data on the heart protein gene MYBPC3, believed to have arisen in India 30,000 years ago. The researchers say that the mutation wasn't selected out of the population because its effects don't occur until after the childbearing years. The article mentions a prediction that "by 2010 India's population will suffer approximately 60% of the world's heart disease."

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  1. Prolly a good thing for India's stability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    India cannot support hundreds of millions of elderly pensioners. Long-term this will probably be a competitive advantage over China.

    1. Re:Prolly a good thing for India's stability by Thiez · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's one way of looking at it. Then again, maybe these people will end up in hospital and get some (expensive) medical treatment rather than just dropping dead unannounced the moment they stop working, giving Indea a competitive disadvantage.

    2. Re:Prolly a good thing for India's stability by NIckGorton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or better yet, childhood diagnosis with this particular condition would merit lifetime treatment with statins and aggressive control of other modifying factors. Prevent these kids from smoking, get them in a daily exercise habit, teach them a good diet, and monitor and aggressively treat for diabetes and hypertension if/when they appear. Except for the genetic test itself, the rest of that is cheaper than spit. Even in the US, the real cost of the blood tests and medicines would be less than $200 annually. Add two NP visits and its maybe $400 annually. The cost in India would obviously be even cheaper.

      However what is expensive is the political will to prevent smoking in children. Its also politically expensive to have cheap and effective public health prevention programs. Heaven forbid you give medicines or pap smears to people who don't have insurance or money.... why.... it.... would be an ENTITLEMENT!

      Shudder! Aiiigh! No, not that!

      Wait, did that sound bitter?

    3. Re:Prolly a good thing for India's stability by elashish14 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      India cannot support hundreds of millions of elderly pensioners. Long-term this will probably be a competitive advantage over China.

      I don't know where you come from, but usually people in modern civilizations make an effort to help people live. Why don't we just kill everyone over 70? Or at least refuse them medical treatment? Or how about eliminating all forms of pension? That's a good competitive advantage.

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    4. Re:Prolly a good thing for India's stability by gravos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree with your sentiment, but the practical side of me worries that insurance companies would do whatever they could to find out whether we carried this defect or not.

      Even if you make it illegal for them to discriminate on genetic defects, there's still a risk they'll try to get around the legislation...

    5. Re:Prolly a good thing for India's stability by Jartan · · Score: 3

      I always find posts like this vaguely disturbing. It's worded as if these people are almost lucky. As if this life threatening disease is somehow a gift so that they will have plenty of incentive to live healthy.

      Why not say: "Or better yet, someone will come up with a cheap cure that isn't some tailor made weekly supplement drug designed to make pharma corps money until the patient dies."

    6. Re:Prolly a good thing for India's stability by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Fair enough, but you need to keep in mind that the problems you describe with medical insurance companies are almost exclusively a US problem. The US medical system is quite unique.

  2. I guess I should get tested. by bchernicoff · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was recently diagnosed with Giant Cell Myocarditis at age 29 and am now awaiting a heart transplant. No one knows why it hit me.

    1. Re:I guess I should get tested. by NIckGorton · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Can you mod parent complete utter fucking douchebag?

    2. Re:I guess I should get tested. by azav · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Good luck. Wishing you the best.

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    3. Re:I guess I should get tested. by cyfer2000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I actually know one survived this problem with a heart transplant. You are really a lucky one in those unfortunate, most people with this problem died before doctors can diagnose this problem or even before seeing a doctor. I heard that there were only about 300 diagnosed cases (including those failed to get a heart transplant).

      Best wishes. I know how painful and stressful it can be, but you are really the lucky one already, just one more step and you can live a common life again.

      Contact me if you like.

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  3. hmmmm by bistromath007 · · Score: 5, Funny

    MYBPC3 = MY Blood Pressure Crap Crap Crap

  4. Re:If the prevalence in India is 4 in 100 by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

    India has a population of C. 1.1 billion, to a world total of 6.7 or so. If 1.1 billion have a 4% prevalence, that is ~44 million. If 6.7 billion have an overall 1% prevalence, that would be ~67 million. 67-44 gives us 23 million affected among the 5.6 billion non-indian humans. That makes for ~.4% among non-indians. This assumes, of course, that the 1% number is worldwide, rather than non-indian worldwide. 1/10th the risk is fairly dramatic; but .4% is only slightly less than 1 in 200 people, which is very much in the "somebody, probably several people, you know and or work with have it right now" territory rather than the "vague abstract risk" territory.

  5. Re:If the prevalence in India is 4 in 100 by El+Torico · · Score: 3, Informative

    .4% is 1 in 250.

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  6. Re:If the prevalence in India is 4 in 100 by JDevers · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Most of the population affected outside India are probably Indian or have a significant Indian ancestry. This doesn't change your numbers, but shows that the risk is actually much higher or lower depending on your social group.

  7. Re:Proclivity by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Funny

    A mutant with 60+million descendants. Perhaps there is hope for me after all.

    circulation issues are known to cause ED, but are also known to cause priopism.

    I suspect the latter happened in this "mutant".

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  8. yet another argument for universal health care. by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Watch health insurers start demanding blood samples.

    They already rifle through our health records freely thanks to holes they bought in our so called medical "privacy" standards.

    As the genome gets further and further mapped, expect more and more people to be "uninsurable at any price".

    I welcome another 1-4% of the world to my hell.

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    1. Re:yet another argument for universal health care. by ScrewMaster · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I welcome another 1-4% of the world to my hell.

      Yeah, those bloodsuckers will happily take your premiums year after year, until you actually start to cost them money. Then they find ways to get rid of you. Now, Federal Law in the U.S. says they can't just drop you arbitrarily, but they can jack your premiums up to the point where you can no longer pay. That happened to my Dad: he paid Aetna for decades and hardly used them ... then when he became seriously ill they ramped up his premiums to about $20,000 a year, so we had give them up, and of course nobody else would insure him for less. Fortunately (and I use the term loosely) he suffered total renal failure and ended up on dialysis. That's one of the few medical conditions that will automatically give you Medicare at any age (he was 62 when he died.) If you're in any kind of a similar situation, man, I feel for you.

      What truly torques me into a preztel are the routine conflicts-of-interest and general corruption/collusion between insurance companies and medical suppliers. It's really obscene ... and billions could be saved (along with many lives) if insurance carriers would spend a little money trying to reduce waste and outright fraud. For example, I had a girlfriend whose father had to go in for an MRI at one point. Fairly routine, except that the hospital billed their insurance for two MRIs, both listed as being on the same day at the same time. One could say, well, hell, it's not your own money at stake, but when you have a lifetime cap and are getting old ... well. So her mother calls the insurance company (repeatedly) to complain about this fraudulent billing (at the time an MRI was very expensive.) She was told (repeatedly!) that "we have to go by what the hospital says."

      Unbe-fucking-leivable.

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    2. Re:yet another argument for universal health care. by j01123 · · Score: 2, Informative

      As the genome gets further and further mapped, expect more and more people to be "uninsurable at any price".

      Discrimination based on genetics is already outlawed by the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act.

    3. Re:yet another argument for universal health care. by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here's your loophole:

      The Act prohibits group health plans and health insurers from denying coverage to a healthy individual or charging that person higher premiums based solely on a genetic predisposition to developing a disease in the future.

      "we noticed you paid for a few more tests recently, and have been sick more often"

      there go your rates, or "im sorry your coverage is denied"

      WOW.. I haven't seen a loophole this big for abuse since the anti-circumvention clause of the DMCA

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    4. Re:yet another argument for universal health care. by eth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And how about this one:

      My mom needs a hearing aid. When she recently had to get a new one, this is what the hearing aid vendor told her. The MSRP is $12k (each!). If you have insurance, they bill them at $8k each. But, if you don't have insurance, they'll give you a "discount" and sell them to you directly at $3k each. They probably still make money on them at $3k, but they get to bilk an extra $5k out of the insurance company if they can... Since they never actually charge the "MSRP," I can only surmise that it's that high because they have to "discount" it for the insurance companies by a certain percent.

  9. Misleading headline, as usual. by NereusRen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Oooh, 1 in 100! Sounds scary! I'm at risk! Wait... lets apply some critical thinking to that number, shall we?

    globally, 1% of the population carry a gene mutation that is almost guaranteed to lead to some form of heart problems.

    World population is about 6.7B. Total number of people with this mutation in the world:
    1% * 6.7B = 67M.

    On the Indian subcontinent, the prevalence is 4%.

    According to Wikipedia, the subcontinent "accounts for about 40 percent of Asia's population," which is 4B. Total number of people there with this mutation:
    4% * 40% * 4B = 64M

    So, the percentage of people NOT on the Indian subcontinent that carry this mutation is:
    (67M - 64M) / (6.7B - 40%*4B) = 0.06%.

    With such a great geographical disparity in incidence, using the global 1% figure to generate the headline of "1 in 100 carry mutation" is incredibly misleading.

    The linked article is quite a bit better. It's titled "The heart disease mutation carried by 60 million," and focuses on this as being primarily an Indian problem. Somehow I'm not surprised to see kdawson as the editor on this one.

  10. something is going to get you eventually by timmarhy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the thing i hate about these nonsense genetic claims, is that there is a 100% probability you are going to die of something. so claiming 60% of people will die of heart disease (because heart failure and cancer are what take out most of our population) is like pronouncing you have discovered people grow old and die. what would be more accurate, but you will never see them do it, is to tell us who will die a PREMATURE death due to heart disease. the reason they won't do it is there is far more to what kills you than genetics and admitting as much might see grant money going else where.

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  11. Re:Where the moneys at yo! by NIckGorton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me give you two bits of advice, Sport:

    1) If you are going into medicine for the money and are pre-med now, you are basically going to end up in the same situation that all those kids coming out of Harvard with MBAs expecting to make millions on Wall Street. Once you finish 4 years of med school, three of IM residency, and 2 of Cards fellowship, the well will have dried up significantly for specialists who don't do fee for service (which few people are for a cath and stent). Have you considered plastics?

    2) If you insist on persisting with your career plans, take Spanish now. You're going to be amazed how being bilingual in a useful language in the US sells on your med school and residency application. Because while you are going to be making less money, you are going to have a lot more Spanish speaking patients when you get out. Maybe if you grow a sense of moral responsibility to your fellow men (which should be a pre-rec for med school but sadly isn't) you'll be glad you took my advice and can converse with your patients in their native language in a culturally competent way.

    Or just go into plastics.

  12. Re:Really... by Volante3192 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And yet, if you were in that 30-60% I'm sure you'd be seeing things much differently.

  13. Re:Stock Market by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is why I only invest in racist insurance companies...

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  14. Re:So by Soulshift · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With over 6 billion 1% possibly looks like a natural population control mechanism.

    Which part of "[The mutation's] effects don't occur until after the childbearing years." did you fail to grasp?

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  15. Sucks for them. by john.picard · · Score: 3, Funny
    To those who have this mutation, I say sucks for you, suckers!! Hah hah!!

    Why the hell is my left arm hurting?

  16. America doesn't need this gene by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't worry about carrying a 1% gene. Carrying a BigMac bag is far more likely to lead to heart attacks than genetics.

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  17. Re:Odds are... by jd · · Score: 3, Informative

    That depends. If you're in America, your odds of getting heart disease are substantially greater than if you lived in Europe. Part of that is genetics, part is exercise, part is diet, part is that Europeans don't work themselves to death.

    Yes, there are probably lots of genetic markers that could increase your risk of one condition or another. There will be other genetic markers that reduce your risk. Until you know more than just one or two, you have no means of knowing what the overall effect will be.

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  18. Re:There is no way I will ever get tested for this by jd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For all you know, the last time you were given a drugs test at work, you were screened by the company for such risks. It's not like you'll ever know if they know. They're not going to tell you, all you'll know is that your premiums seem higher than normal.

    So go ahead. Take the test anonymously. You can buy a "gift kit" to be delivered to a PO Box, the company doing the testing won't care. Then you will know the answer and be able to take sensible precautions (when they're known).

    It won't help the insurance companies, but they're rich enough and manipulative enough that they don't need your help and there's nothing you can do to stop them. You can reject all the testing companies you like, but if they wanted to know that badly, they'd know.

    Isn't it smarter to know at least as much as your insurance company about your health? Paranoia won't save you now.

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  19. How long 'til this is treatable? by HiThere · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now that they've identified the problem, there's a reasonable chance that it can be treated. It might well require a weekly pill or some such, or even a shot, as RNA is too delicate to trust to the gut. But many such things are treatable already.

    India has a flourishing medical community, including many pharmaceutical companies. I would expect them to jump on this quickly.

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    1. Re:How long 'til this is treatable? by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now that they've identified the problem, there's a reasonable chance that it can be treated. It might well require a weekly pill or some such, or even a shot, as RNA is too delicate to trust to the gut. But many such things are treatable already.

      FTFA: Carriers could be identified at a young age by genetic screening and adopt a healthier lifestyle.

      IMO, that is some pie in the sky thinking.
      One of the top problems in the medical field is patient non-compliance.
      It's hard enough for a doctor to get their patients to finish taking a regimen of antibiotics, much less change to a healthier lifestyle.

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  20. Mutation was discovered in Fred Sanford's junk DNA by vandelais · · Score: 4, Funny

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  21. Re:Stock Market by johnsonav · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wait until the US has some sort of universal health care, and immigration from India is outlawed as a "cost cutting measure".

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  22. Re:If the prevalence in India is 4 in 100 by j01123 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I did a quick read of the Nature Genetics letter and, as far as I can tell, it makes no claims as to the worldwide frequency of the allele (actually a micro-deletion). Accurately measuring allele frequencies for the world's population is not something that most studies are adequately designed for, so it's not surprising that they don't provide an estimate. Here's what they have to say about the deletion's frequency outside of India.

    The presence of this deletion in many Indian populations with varied geographical and ancestral backgrounds raises the question of how geographically widespread it is outside India. We therefore also analyzed 63 world population samples, comprising 2,085 indigenous individuals from 26 countries including all five continents. The 25-bp deletion was observed in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Indonesia and Malaysia, (all heterozygotes) but was absent from other samples. Thus, the deletion is a common variant in individuals from South Asia, present in Southeast Asia, but undetectable elsewhere (Fig. 3 and Supplementary Table 5 online).

    The supplementary materials give the sample sizes for each of the ethnic groups that were sampled and the number of deletion carriers. Most of the individual samples are small, but in the aggregate they do strongly suggest that the deletion is practically non-existent outside of South Asia and a few neighboring areas.

    This does raise the question of how the media got this 1% prevalence estimate, unless I completely missed it in the article. In general, media outlets don't report the contents of peer-reviewed articles, they report the contents of press releases that accompany (or precede) the articles.

  23. I have this disease by cat_jesus · · Score: 3, Informative

    The gene is responsible for Hypertrophic Cardio Myopathy. HCM causes a thickening of the heart muscle and is often treated with medication, installation of an ICD to mitigate the chance of sudden cardiac death and for those with obstructions, a myectomy can be done. Something like 5% of HCM cases will require a heart transplant.

    Gene testing is something I'll be doing soon to identify exactly which mutation I have, several are responsible for HCM. Once that's done I'll have my kids tested so they don't have to go through the annual testing that they are beginning this year.

    HCM is the number one cause of sudden cardiac death in people under the age of 30. You may have heard of professional or college level athletes dying on the court/field/ whatever. This is usually the cause.

    I am in otherwise excellent condition. I have had a "healthy lifestyle" my whole life but now I can't walk up a flight of stairs without experiencing shortness of breath. I will likely have a myectomy this year.

    The good news is that this operation has a very high success rate. Another piece of good news is that if you have HCM and are treated by a specialist your life expectancy jumps back up to that of the general population.

  24. Re:Where the moneys at yo! by mkaushik · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unfortunately for you, Indians aren't exactly flocking to the US for treatment. It's actually the other way round, since quality medical care is available for a fraction of the US price here (for those above the poverty line), which has spawned a whole "medical tourism" industry. The doctors here are as good as anywhere else in the world, and make very good money. Most successful doctors I have known have been very compassionate people. Good luck to you, kid.

  25. One day we'll know, maybe a virus by spineboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Giant cells seem to be a function of the body to fight off infections. I have a feeling, that in the future, we will find out that many diseases are caused/triggered by viral infections, along with some failure of a tumor suppressor gene.

    One of my patients had a heart transplant 20+ years ago and is doing great, so things look really good for you, once ya do the engine change.

    Best of luck to ya.

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    1. Re:One day we'll know, maybe a virus by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting
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  26. Do it for the money = be a crappy doctor by spineboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly, even as a very specialized surgeon, if I wanted to make money, I could have done much better on Wall St. My brother who is an economist, has done quite well, and works much less than I.

    The job has sooo many hassles, and stress that if you don't love what you're doing, then it's not worth it.

    Seriously.

    Honestly, I love my fucking job, and would still do it, even if I won the lottery. Just would work less than 50 hours a week, instead of 80.

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  27. childbearing years by v1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The researchers say that the mutation wasn't selected out of the population because its effects don't occur until after the childbearing years.

    It's not that simple though. One's roll in the gene pool does not (indirectly) end when you lose fertility. The grandparents care for the children, and in doing so, their children's (related) DNA is encouraged. Also, unlike women, men don't have menopause, and are also affected by heart disease etc and a man's DNA is just as genetically useful at 60 as it was at 25.

    I'd question that researcher's conclusion..

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  28. MYPBC3 is one of my favorite proteins by nbauman · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's an interesting development in a well-known genetic heart defect. Myosin binding protein C is well known, and mutations in MYPBC3 are one of the most common causes of heart defects in humans (and cats).

    If parents are comfortable with prenatal testing and abortion, this genetic defect could be effectively eliminated, in the same way that Down's syndrome has declined dramatically. In principle, the MYPBC3 defect would eventually be eliminated from the population.

    MYPBC3 is a pretty cool protein, BTW. It connects the light chains and the heavy chains that make up muscle fibers. Obviously if the proteins that make up muscle fibers come apart you're going to have problems.

    Here's a beautiful illustration http://pawpeds.com/pawacademy/health/mybpc3/figure1.jpg which shows how MYPBC3 comes out of the thick filament and holds onto the thin filament, sort of like this:
    ____________
    ====/==/====

    (That illustration comes from an article here http://pawpeds.com/pawacademy/health/mybpc3/ about how Dr. Kittleson, in a stroke of nominative determinism, studied the defect in kittens.)

    Another common cause of heart defects is protein called beta-myosin heavy chain (MYH7). MYH7 also comes out of the heavy chain. It's the one that looks like a bean pod. It looks a little like this:
    ____________
    ====P==P====

    Here's a kewl animation of how it works http://www.sci.sdsu.edu/movies/actin_myosin.html with myosin walking along actin filaments. If you don't think this animation is funny, then molecular biology is not one of your aptitudes.

    Or just do a Google image search for actin and myosin http://images.google.com/images?rls=ig&hl=en&q=actin+and+myosin

    I'm sorry to say that the Wikipedia entries on this subject are not too user-friendly right now. Somebody should work on that.

  29. Re:Where the moneys at yo! by robot_lords_of_tokyo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thanks for the sanity check. Globalization doesn't just affect people that work on assembly lines.

    Now that the quality of care is becoming on par, and often better than that in the US, I think it's only a matter of time before the big daddy of medical care in the US, insurance, starts moving towards cost cutting via treatment overseas. A number of insurance companies in Europe are already doing this, and NHS in the UK has a pilot voucher program going for overseas care... Only a matter of time.

  30. Selection Pressure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The researchers say that the mutation wasn't selected out of the population because its effects don't occur until after the childbearing years"

    That doesn't make sense. Surviving beyond childbearing years would have a large impact on your offspring's reproductive capacity.

    Unless perhaps the effect of the gene kicks in just as you're getting old enough to require support rather than give it. In which case, the gene might even be selected *for*.

    Posting as AC because 1. no account 2. cold-hearted analysis.