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Barack Obama Sworn In As 44th President of the US

Just before noon today, Eastern time, Barack Obama was sworn in before the US Capitol building as the 44th President of the United States (Whitehouse.gov has already been updated to reflect the new President), and offered an inaugural address which outlined some of the challenges that the country currently faces, both within the country's borders and abroad. Obama's election has been called "a civil rights triumph," and his candidacy has inspired perhaps the most visible political involvement of young voters of any candidate since John Kennedy. Here's your chance to discuss the newest occupant of the White House and what you'd like to see happen over the course of his presidency.

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  1. Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    He was actually sworn in shortly after noon, although he was President at exactly noon anyway.

    1. Re:Time by timster · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not really... the Constitution requires the incoming President to take the oath "Before he enter on the Execution of his Office". The exact wording of the oath is also stated.

      Which makes it all the more surprising that Mr. Strict Constructionist John Roberts would mess it up, but there you go.

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    2. Re:Time by xSquaredAdmin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why not just leave some spare money around instead? Obama does seem to be all for change...

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    3. Re:Time by prgrmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      FDR did not take us out of the Depression. Japan did that when they bombed Pearl Harbor and gave the nation motivation to start building tanks and planes and ships and bombs non-stop for the next three years.

    4. Re:Time by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Informative
      It's not cognitive dissonance when you don't believe urban legends.

      Now it seems those closely detailed stories were largely bunk. Last week it was revealed that a formal review by the General Accounting Office, Congress' investigative agency, "had found no damage to the offices of the White House's East or West Wings or EOB" and that Bush's own representatives had reported "there is no record of damage that may have been deliberately caused by the employees of the Clinton administration."

      Source.

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    5. Re:Time by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How is this informative? The Clinton staffers didn't do it at all. It was thoroughly debunked within a month of the allegations coming out. And former President George W Bush himself stated specifically that it did not happen.

      What do we need as evidence? A specific letter from Dick Cheney that it didn't happen? The not signed with the blood of former AG John Ashcroft? At some point it becomes paranoid delusion, and I think we've hit that point.

    6. Re:Time by DragonWriter · · Score: 5, Informative

      How does Washington to Adams even qualify as a "transition"? That's as much a transition as the "transition" from Reagan to Bush Sr. was, in every sense (Adams was Washington's vice president, for one).

      Uh, no. They aren't really analogous at all. Do remember that for quite some time after the Constitution was established, the Vice President was the second place contender in the Presidential election, not someone who ran and was elected with the President. So Adams, as Washington's Vice President, had a very different relationship to Washington than Bush, as Reagan's VP, had to Reagan.

      The first transition of power ever in the U.S. was in 1800, also known as "Revolution of 1800".

      But, by your own argument about the 1797 transition, that should have been an easy transition, just like Reagan->Bush, simply because Jefferson was Adams' Vice President.

      Of course, the "but he was his predecessors VP, so it doesn't count" argument doesn't apply to the 1801 transition for the same reason it doesn't apply to the 1797 transition.

    7. Re:Time by $1uck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Someone mod parent up please. I hate it when people try to claim WWII got us out of the depression. I mean should we be thankful we have the Afghan and Iraq war? If it weren't for those two wars, would the economy really be in the shitter? I think not.

    8. Re:Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think that's twice in as many days I've seen mis-application of the broken window fallacy.

      The broken window fallacy assumes that resources are fully employed. The argument would be that, were it not used to wage war, U.S. industrial capacity would've been doing something else -- something more productive. The problem is, it wasn't being used for something more productive during the depression.

      There are perfectly good arguments for why war is not the cure-all for a national economy that many cynics claim. In the context of the Great Depression, the broken window fallacy is not one of them.

    9. Re:Time by joocemann · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm definitely not a Bush supporter, but I admire how he's handled the transition...

      The only thing I wonder about... Bush supposedly blew a kiss out the window of his limo as he left the White house for the last time. Did anyone see if, after blowing the kiss, his hand went to his behind, slightly changing the message?

      It wasn't to the white house, it was to the US. I caught a glimpse of his bumper sticker... it said "Fuck this place, I'm moving to Dubai"

  2. America, by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Funny

    FUCK YEAH!

    1. Re:America, by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 5, Funny

      And we have dark fiber...

      There's your problem. Fiber tends to work better when one lights it up

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    2. Re:America, by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you heard of this thing called TV? It's properly multicast and everything.

    3. Re:America, by tsm_sf · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or something non-denominative and equally joyous.

      FUCK YEAH! (as above)

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    4. Re:America, by spectro · · Score: 5, Informative

      o Issue at least one executive order to strike down one of the myriad unconstitutional laws violating the bill of rights

      Imho he can't do that, he can veto before signing but once it becomes law of the land only either the Supreme Court or Congress can do anything about it.

      o Issue at least one executive order to have a supreme court judge arrested ... (snip)
      o Issue at least one executive order to have a congressman arrested .. (snip)

      Have you heard about "separation of powers"? The President can't do anything against the other two powers, they are independent. I believe the procedure in the constitution is called impeachment. That would not have stop Dick Cheney from trying thought :-p

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    5. Re:America, by hondo77 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Issue at least one executive order to strike down one of the myriad unconstitutional laws that does not pass muster under the enumerated congressional powers.

      Irony is in short supply where you live, yes?

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    6. Re:America, by mark72005 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Barack's gonna take us to Candy Mountain.

  3. Government shrunk to its Constitutional tasks only by XanC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...not going to happen, under this or any administration I fear.

  4. A Civil Rights Triumph by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hear hear!

    Black people have too long been denied the disappointment white people have known for decades.

  5. YESSS!!! YESSS!!! OH GOD YESSS!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As the media orgasms all over itself.

  6. Way to go Chief Justice John G. Roberts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    After first cutting off Obama, he forgets to say "faithfully" in the pledge, then tacks it onto the end of the clause. Obama clearly recognizes the screwup and pauses where "faithfully" is supposed to go, letting Roberts correct himself. Roberts stumbles, realizing his mistake. Corrects it, sort of. Then Obama continues with Roberts' original phrasing.

    To anyone not overly familiar with Article II, Section 1, Clause 8 of the Constitution, it looked like Obama was confused- or stumbled, but he was just in shock to hear Roberts put things out of order.

    Nice one there, Roberts.

    1. Re:Way to go Chief Justice John G. Roberts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, Roberts also had some recent problems understanding the text of the Fourth Amendment, so it's to be expected.

    2. Re:Way to go Chief Justice John G. Roberts by jdgeorge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Okay, I'm not a Roberts fan, but let's be real. The Roberts administered the oath, got nervous, Obama handled it gracefully, and the job is done. Roberts goes back to not having to speak in front of a ridiculously large number people.

      I expect that the abuse Roberts will get from Antonin Scalia alone will be more than enough punishment for getting nervous while administering the oath.

      Good job Obama for being cool and on task.

    3. Re:Way to go Chief Justice John G. Roberts by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cut him some slack. As a lily-white Republican, he gets very nervous when surrounded by black people.

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  7. As Spock once said by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "After a time, you may find that 'having' is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as 'wanting.' It is not logical, but it is often true."

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  8. Well, I for one by moniker127 · · Score: 5, Funny

    welcome our new African American overlords.

  9. Fantastic by pz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He used the words "data" and "statistics" in his inaugural address in a positive tone, without being the slightest bit derisive. He said that he would, "restore science to its rightful place." There is hope for the US.

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    1. Re:Fantastic by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. Plus its nice having a president who doesn't embarrass you when publicly speaking.

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  10. Already a victory by Bemopolis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He acknowledged that nonbelievers are American citizens, and reaffirmed the separation of church/state and science.

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    1. Re:Already a victory by hansamurai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All right, now how about the separation of corporation and state?

    2. Re:Already a victory by gslj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I noticed an odd fact in the prayer before the inaugurations. The qualities ascribed to God were that he is "one" and he is "compassionate." This seems to be a subtle reaching out to Muslims right there, since those are the qualities of God emphasized in Islam: "In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate. Say (O Muhammad), He is God, the One God, the Everlasting Refuge, who has not begotten, nor has been begotten, and equal to Him is not anyone." He could have mentioned salvation or the Trinity or other divisive attributes instead. When he does mention Jesus, he gives the name in several languages including, I think, Arabic. Probably to remind Americans that Jesus is not a property of the U.S. and remind Muslims that the prophet Jesus is honoured in Islam. Finally, he ends with the Lord's Prayer which, as well as being blessedly short, is something that no Christian denomination has trouble with.

      Just an observation: the reaching out to Muslims started before the Inaugural Speech.

      -Gareth

  11. Re:Government shrunk to its Constitutional tasks o by StreetStealth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We can't have a perfect union. But we can still try to make it a more perfect one, right?

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  12. free by ionix5891 · · Score: 5, Funny

    da weed!

    #1 voted change.gov issue

  13. Re:I tried to watch, by Necroman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I did the the old fashion way, and went home for a bit and watched on my TV. It's times like this where the internet just isn't setup to handle. TV is great at distributing the same stream to million and millions of people. While the Internet is built around the concept of everyone having a unique connection to services.

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  14. Singularity? by Sybert42 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will this affect the date of Singularity? Is Obama pro-singularity? Anybody see him with a bluetooth headset :) ?

  15. Re:So ... change ... by cowscows · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think one of the most amazing things about it all is how the replacement of one individual can really change the mood of so many people. Not just in the USA, but in the whole world. It's incredible how despite of all the bad decisions made over the previous administration, citizens of so many other countries are willing to give America the benefit of the doubt.

    I believe that we should show some gratitude for that willingness to forgive, and we can express that gratitude by tempering our cynicism, and giving the new administration a decent chance to try some things. I think that a large portion of the country is willing to do so, hopefully the obstructionists can be drowned out by people who still feel that it's worthwhile to be hopeful.

    But either way, if Obama tries to do even 5% of what he's said he wants to do, I'm having a hard time imagining how things could be run much worse than what we've survived through for the past eight years.

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  16. Re:And then,... by Anonymusing · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real question for Obama voters -- will he still respect us in the morning?

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  17. Re:Change but not on telecom immunity by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I didn't say I didn't question it. I don't believe a word any politician says but I have *never* witness the number of people following along with the campaign promises of a candidate/president like they are with Obama. Even people I would normally believe to be levelheaded are acting like 13 year old girls after their first kiss.

    I don't know what to be more frightened of, Bush's right-wing, conservative, religion wackos or the mass of people that Obama has mobilized into believing that something will be vastly different with him in charge.

  18. I am already so tired ... by DodgeRules · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... of hearing "black this" and "Afro-American that" and he just became President. I just hope that the media (and America) can finally get over this whole "race" thing and let the guy do his job. For an election that wasn't supposed to be about race, we sure do hear a lot about it. To Obama: America and the world is watching - MAKE US PROUD!

    1. Re:I am already so tired ... by east+coast · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree and find it odd that the media has gone on and on about it while invoking MLK at the same time. Personally I think MLK would be disappointed that minority voters only felt compelled to stand up and have their votes counted because the candidate was of a minority race. I think King's real dream was that people didn't let the race aspect hold them back from being a participant in the system. Just like I'm sure he'd frown on the idea that people used the excuse of finally having a minority in the White House be a reason they suddenly feel they could do anything. People who really get his message should have felt this way all along.

      I just don't see this as the milestone the media claims it is and I'd like to think if Dr. King was alive today he'd agree with me on this.

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  19. You're either with us or against us... by grassy_knoll · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Be happy. be hopeful. Or shut up and let the rest of us be happy and hopeful.

    Sounds rather like "You're either with us or against us... "

    Meet the new boss.
    Same as the old boss.

  20. Re:The Naivete of Hope by Quasar1999 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I disagree with your view. Why let people hype it all up, and let people 'believe', when all that's going to happen is a huge disappointment. Speculation is what gets the markets in huge trouble, because eventually a correction comes and reality hits, and hits hard. So by your very logic, we shouldn't have tried to do anything with all those speculators on the market, we should have let them keep dreaming of limitless profits... NOTHING BAD HAPPENED, right??? But I guess my example is flawed, since giving people who are drowning in debt, with shitty job prospects at best, a fantasy of everything changing for the better will not end up in even more heartache and suffering in the long run when reality sets back in...

    Making Obama into some saviour is just asking for trouble. He can't deliver, not for lack of trying, I'll give you that, but he cannot deliver, the system can't let him. And when he doesn't, and Americans realize that there isn't some magical new president that's gonna make all their problems go away, there's gonna be major backlash.

    Of course, please, don't take my word for it... just go to google, or wiki, and look up what happend to other countries who went through similar leadership changes, where the populous believed the new leader would fix all. Scary shit. So letting the delusions of idealism flourish without a reality check is simply going to result in way more sting when reality finally hits home... and it always hits home.

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  21. Transportation Safety by Jonah+Bomber · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the thing I'd most like to see is a tempering of the utter insanity that is the TSA. We aren't safer because we have to take off our shoes to board an airplane. We aren't safer because we make pilots go through metal detectors. We aren't safer because we're now required to having a driver's license to fly. We aren't safer because we aren't allowed to take our toothpaste (except in teeny tiny tubes) with us. The TSA spends so much time and energy policing our shampoo container size that it can't help but detract from their ability to actually catch potential bombs. Obama has spoken about changing our foreign response to September 11th, but I'd like to see a change in our domestic response as well. I'd like to see more common sense.

  22. End Prohibition 2.0/legalize marijuana/hemp by Mashhaster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's what I want to see. Too long has the government attempted to fight the free market by throwing money at enforcement. We've spent too many billions on punishing otherwise nonviolent, law-abiding taxpayers. For all the time and treasure we've spent, is there any end in sight? Is there anyone who believes that drug enforcement is reducing the demand for drugs?

    In Mexico right now, we've got drug cartels fighting a paramilitary war with the police and Mexican army; that's ongoing. In California, we have national parks and public water supplies being polluted by unregulated growing operations.

    We have an out of control national debt, and an opportunity to create a domestic industry, tax it, and stop spending the billions on enforcing these out of date laws. Pretending what we're doing is working, or pretending the problem doesn't exist, doesn't change the facts of the situation. The longer we wait, the more powerful the organized crime syndicates get (just like the mob during alcohol prohibition).

    Tax it, regulate it, don't sell it to minors, and bust people for driving under the influence of it. Just stop pretending you can beat it by cracking down on suppliers or users; supply exists where demand exists, and demand will always exist, because people are human.

    Don't forget industrial hemp, too, because there's a lot that could be done with it. That would be a huge boon to the country, especially considering that we need new energy mediums and materials for various applications; hemp has one of the longest track records in human civilization as a useful industrial material, and prohibiting it because of marijuana is simply pointless.

    That's why I want to see Prohibition 2.0 (hemp/marijuana) ended. I'd also like to see a complete end to the War on Drugs, because like the War on Terror, it's not a war we can ever win. But, that's another post for another time.

  23. Re:Government shrunk to its Constitutional tasks o by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfortunately, the constitution is VAGUE.

    It doesn't even outline what the supreme court is supposed to do. What strict constitutionalists fail to realize is that the constitution is not a document written by a group of well meaning men with no political bias or agenda. Quite the opposite, it's the product of intense political bargaining. the 3/5ths Majority, the Missouri compromise, the commerce compromise... This document that we are governed by is meant to try to appease both federalists(with clauses stating that Congress has the power to provide for "general welfare" as well to do everything "necessary and proper" to do that. This is balanced by the 10th amendment placating antifederalists. The founding fathers did not have you in mind when they wrote the Constitution, they had their own interests and agendas in mind.

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  24. Optionally by coryking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We know what the constitution, read literally, says. We just disagree what it actually *means*.

    My interpretation? The constitution is the framework in which we have debates in this country. It defines *how* we deal things, not *what* those things we deal with should be.

    There is nothing in the constitution about stem cell research, but the constitution will tell us the proper way to resolve the controversies brought forward by its advances. The constitution tells us the president cannot write a law that bans it, the congress writes said law and passes it to the president for approval. The constitution doesn't say "no stem cell research". Same with gay marriage. Same with giving blacks and women the right to vote. The constitution only provides us a process to follow, not the solution.

    1. Re:Optionally by ClassMyAss · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gays already have the same rights everyone else has, they can marry a person of the opposite sex. The blacks and so on were actually barred from marrying into interracial marriages at one time which is completely different then gay marriage. As long as a Gay man can do what a straight man can do (marry someone of the opposite sex) then they have the same rights. Lesbians are the same (marry a man). The fact that they don't want to or want to do something else. The 14th doesn't apply to that situation.

      By your exact same logic, banning interracial marriage is Just Fine, since black men have exactly the same rights as white men - they can marry someone of their own race.

      Lucky for us, it was quickly decided that the way that is phrased is ridiculous, as it's always possible to put some "separate but equal" bullshit spin on any sort of discrimination to make it sound like it's fair.

      In other words, you're arguing against your own point by making the connection to interracial marriage (which, by the way, is exactly the comparison we should be making, IMO, as the situations are depressingly similar). The question that we should be asking is "Can gay men do what straight women can do?", not "Can gay men do what straight men can do?"

      In any case, the government should get the hell out of the marriage business anyways, and only offer civil unions. And yes, these should be offered to any adult, regardless of sex or preference, and probably regardless of prior arrangements (in other words, yup, the government probably should allow polygamous civil unions, apart from religious objections there's really no reason the contractual engagements such a thing implies should be limited to one pairing per person). Leave marriage as a religious commitment, which is what it really should be. Then the religious aspect of the debate can be settled in its proper place, on a church-by-church basis, with no spillover into the rest of the country.

      Of course, since that will never happen, the only reasonable solution is to allow gays to marry. And yes, this would seem to imply that the next slide down the slope would be polygamy, but fear not - polygamists are so underrepresented in this country (plus they're too intimately related to child polygamists) that they'll never be able to kick up enough fuss to get their way. But trust me, even if gay marriage is not settled in favor of the gays within the next 10 years or so, it will happen within 20 or 30 - the generation coming up right now just doesn't hold the same anti-gay sentiment that their parents still do, much like their parents didn't hold the same level of anti-black sentiment that their parents did.

      There will be holdouts and they'll complain about their rights (um...the "right" not to be disgusted by seeing people doing things they think are immoral, I suppose?) being trampled, but they'll just have to learn to deal with it, and soon enough they'll die off and the rest of the people will never look back. Within a couple generations, people will look back with amusement on the fact that we even had to have this discussion.

  25. And changes (hopefully) will begin by dmomo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Looks like they've already got a Technology Agenda posted. This is change I can stand behind. Believe in? When I see it in action. Don't let this make us any less vigilant in protecting our freedom to share information in an open and uninhibited manner.

  26. Re:Government shrunk to its Constitutional tasks o by eclectro · · Score: 5, Funny

    Stop trolling. We're all lawyers here.

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  27. Re:Government shrunk to its Constitutional tasks o by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did you have something in particular in mind? I ask because a lot of "limit the government" types have curious ideas about what the constitution authorizes and forbids.

    It really depends if you what view of the commerce and general welfare clauses, as well as the enumerated powers being exhaustive.

    "Curious" isn't the view. They limited-government types are interested in a limited government. Too often, when society changed to the point that some people view government powers need expansion, necessitating a Constitutional amendment, they opt instead to ignore/reinterpret the founding document. This has two effect: that part of the document is neutered by the rerouting and the document becomes more distant to current realities instead of being amended in a sufficient manner - so that once it's proposed to follow it, the old interpretation seems "quaint" and out-of-touch.

    I'm not sure about you, but I think government running a trillion dollar deficit, bailing out businesses/people left and right is hardly limited.

  28. Re:Will anything really change? by truthsearch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't need a government telling me I should wear a seat belt

    But do you want a government who will make sure there's a hospital to fix your broken skull? And a government who will make sure there's quick transportation and trained EMTs?

  29. Re:The Naivete of Hope by gmcraff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was told dissent is patriotic.

    I dissented with some things (rather vigorously) during the 43rd Presidency. I dissented with a lot of things during the 42nd Presidency.

    The 44th President is going to get my dissent as well.

    Welcome to the United States of America. I can see you just arrived.

  30. Re:The Naivete of Hope by readin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, I know it's a bold thing to liken Obama to Kennedy and King but, I'm sorry, I get flashes of both great men when I watch Obama speak. He possesses an enormous amount of charisma and motivates people and fills them with hope.

    If you believe he's just another politician; if you believe he's going to be a big flop and disappoint and all that garbage, do yourself a favour and, more importantly, do everyone around you a favour and shut up. Keep your thoughts to yourself. You're allowed to have them and I won't take that away from you but, at a time when people are filled with hope and idealism, let them be. Don't try to shatter that hope.

    Sure he inspires. Yes King inspired. Kennedy inspired. So did Mussolini and Jim Jones. They also filled people with hope.

    The fact that he talks well doesn't imply good or evil. It merely makes him more capable of doing whichever he chooses to do. I hope you don't mind if I keep my eyes and mind open, and speak when I see things happening that disturb me. A failure to speak up can shatter hope too.

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  31. Re:The Naivete of Hope by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He possesses an enormous amount of charisma and motivates people and fills them with hope.

    So do faithhealers, used car salesmen, and other con artists. I purposely avoided listening to the speeches of Obama, McCain, and the man for whom I ultimately voted, Nader, so I was not swayed by their charisma. I read speeches the day after, and Obama's have just been vague ramblings about hope and change with absolutely no substance. When you remove his gazes, body language, and pauses-for-effect, there's just nothing left. There was even an article on here a while back about how researches measured "spin" (ie, lying) and found Obama to have the most in his speeches.

    I have instead looked at their actions, or lack thereof in Obama's case. He's done little to nothing of significance in his career besides be black and has consistently supported the rights and interests of corporations over the interests of the American people. For those of you who think he's to going to make great changes, please point to ONE thing he has done, not said.

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  32. Re:The Naivete of Hope by east+coast · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He possesses an enormous amount of charisma and motivates people and fills them with hope

    So did Hitler.

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  33. Re:B. Hussein Obama, first impressions by Robyrt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Which is the greater benefit: saving 340 homes at $500,000 each, or giving 2 million attendees hope for the future with a big ceremony? Given the degree to which consumer spending props up American GDP, the inauguration may actually MAKE money.

  34. Re:Where do we turn in our guns? by Moraelin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't catch that, where is the gun turn-in done?

    You know, that's one of the funny things I see when looking at America from some thousands of kilometres away.

    So supposedly, the sacred right to bear arms is there to keep the government in line, in case it oversteps its constitutional bounds. Lemme see, the Bushies did:

    - effectively suspending habeas corpus,

    - used torture,

    - starting a war of aggression, and justified it by

    - outright lying about the evidence, (plus, see two paragraphs above, it turns out that all the "witnesses" they had, had been waterboarded until they said what the Bushies wanted to hear,)

    - massive surveillace of its own citizens, down to data-mining grocery bills,

    - politicizing every branch of the government they could lay their hands on,

    - trying to keep official emails from the _legal_ mandated openness, by using private accounts for government business, or by just making excuses (apparently they didn't make backups, ya know)

    - saying out loud that the constitution is just a piece of paper and doesn't apply to them,

    Etc.

    Did I see the gun-loving right at least hinting about the possibility of a revolt over it? (Yes, at the end of the series of other boxes, but still.) Nah, they voted for him again.

    But here comes a president which at least promises to undo some of that evil, and restore at least _some_ of those constitutional rights. (Whether he'll keep that promise, remains to be seen.) What does the gun-loving right immediately fear? "OMG, he might take our guns away."

    It seems to me that the gun lovers care _only_ about exactly _one_ piece of the constitution: the second amendment. No more, no less. Wipe your ass with the rest constitution if you will, they sure won't mind it. So exactly how does that work as a constitutional safeguard, then?

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  35. Re:So ... change ... by Seq · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oblig. 22-minutes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/mercer.asp

    On behalf of Canadians everywhere I'd like to offer an apology to the United States of America. We haven't been getting along very well recently and for that, I am truly sorry. I'm sorry we called George Bush a moron. He is a moron, but it wasn't nice of us to point it out. If it's any consolation, the fact that he's a moron shouldn't reflect poorly on the people of America. After all, it's not like you actually elected him.

    I'm sorry about our softwood lumber. Just because we have more trees than you, doesn't give us the right to sell you lumber that's cheaper and better than your own. It would be like if, well, say you had ten times the television audeince we did and you flood our market with great shows, cheaper than we could produce. I know you'd never do that.

    I'm sorry we beat you in Olympic hockey. In our defence I guess our excuse would be that our team was much, much, much, much better than yours. As word of apology, please accept all of our NHL teams which, one by one, are going out of business and moving to your fine country.

    I'm sorry about our waffling on Iraq. I mean, when you're going up against a crazed dictator, you want to have your friends by your side. I realize it took more than two years before you guys pitched in against
    Hitler, but that was different. Everyone knew he had weapons.

    I'm sorry we burnt down your White House during the War of 1812. I see you've rebuilt it! It's very nice.

    I'm sorry for Alan Thicke, Shania Twain, Celine Dion, Loverboy, that song from Seriff that ends with a really high-pitched long note. Your beer. I know we had nothing to do with your beer, but we feel your pain.

    And finally on behalf of all Canadians, I'm sorry that we're constantly apologizing for things in a passive-aggressive way which is really a thinly veiled criticism. I sincerely hope that you're not upset over this. Because we've seen what you do to countries you get upset with.

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  36. Re:B. Hussein Obama, first impressions by AviLazar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should he be denied what the previous guy in office, who helped get us to this mess, got?

    It's also paid for by private funds - not tax dollars.

    It also generates revenue (tourism dollars, media ad buys, etc)

    It also makes people happy to see the president they elect take the oath

    It also lets the world know there is a new sheriff in town.

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  37. Re:And thus begans the eternal debate by corsec67 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My opinion? We simply cannot be competitive as a nation with a "weak" federal government in concert with "strong" state governments.

    In that case, then the 10th amendment should be changed, not ignored. It is bad to have laws, and especially parts of the constitution, that are ignored.

    Just saying that the 10th amendment doesn't really apply to the current world is a bad precidient. Does that mean that congress can start making laws abridging the freedom of speech, establish a state religion, since we can't be "competitive" with those restrictions on the federal government?

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  38. Welcome back, America by Jacques+Chester · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We missed you.

    Love,

    The Rest of The Modern World.

    ps. Any chance you could have a word with Australia about internet censorship? That'd be swell.

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    1. Re:Welcome back, America by Jacques+Chester · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ah I see. You only like us when we have the people YOU want in office. In other words, do what we tell you or we won't be your friend.

      Ever had a female friend in love with a total douchebag? Noticed how you drifted apart, how you couldn't understand what she saw in this total wanker? Isn't it great when she comes to her senses?

      You sir seem to be stuck at the "but he really looooves meeeeee, nobody understaaaaands, they should leave us aloooone and stop interfering!" stage of the relationship.

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  39. Well done America... by Viper233 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...on electing a president who can speak English.