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Trojan Hides In Pirated Copies of Apple iWork '09

CWmike writes "Pirated copies of Apple's new iWork '09 suite that are now available on file-sharing sites contain a Trojan horse that hijacks Macs and leaves them open to further attack, a security company said yesterday. The 'iServices.a' Trojan hitchhikes on iWork '09's installer, said Intego, which makes Mac security software. 'The installer for the Trojan horse is launched as soon as a user begins the installation of iWork, following the installer's request of an administrator password,' Intego said in a warning. Once installed, the Trojan "phones home" to a malicious server to notify the hacker that the Mac has been compromised, and to await instructions."

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  1. Now unveiling... by Majik+Sheff · · Score: 5, Funny

    The iPwn!

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    1. Re:Now unveiling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Go learn about the difference between a virus and a trojan.

    2. Re:Now unveiling... by guitarpy · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome mac users to the pc world...I mean really....pirated software with a virus...who would have seen that one coming?

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    3. Re:Now unveiling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Go explain the difference to a Mac user.

    4. Re:Now unveiling... by darkpixel2k · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome mac users to the pc world...I mean really....pirated software with a virus...who would have seen that one coming?

      I just wish someone would do this for the Linux world. I've tried nearly every ISO download under "Applications -> Unix" on The Pirate Bay, but everything seems to be *legal*.

      It won't be the year of Linux on the Desktop(tm) until you can download pirated linux applications from The Pirate Bay complete with virii and rootkits.

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    5. Re:Now unveiling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It was obvious to anyone with half a brain

      Well that leaves you out. This is simply a malicious program. Obviously any computer that can run software can run malicious software.

    6. Re:Now unveiling... by powerspike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      to be a little serious here, i think you are more right then you realize, do you think computer shops are going to be more or less likely to sell an OS, that they know will have to come back at some stage to get "cleaned" up?

    7. Re:Now unveiling... by AppleOSuX · · Score: 2

      You're wrong. And you sound like an asshole. "being more affluent" my ass.

      There are whole communities of Mac users that share applications amongst themselves. The mere existence of pirated software on the pirate bay proves you wrong. Look at the number of downloads on those files.

    8. Re:Now unveiling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Argh. Please don't say "virii", even ironically. It encourages idiots.

      QED

    9. Re:Now unveiling... by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is this a virus?

      Didn't think so.

      This is social engineering at its finest - an untrusted source, launching executable code (via user action) and gaining elevated privileges (via user input of password).

      Welcome to any operating system's severe vulnerability to attack.

      Still no viruses on OS X though, beyond that proof of concept thing a while back. Still, 1 versus.... how many on Windows? So many you *require* a dedicated third party app to bog down your system and act as doctor, surgeon and nurse to keep the machine clean?

      I'll take OS X thanks.

      Also, don't steal software. You're just asking for trouble. This isn't the first time that OS X has been targeted with dodgy copies of software from download sites - I seem to remember an app that claimed to be the MS Office for Mac installer that did nothing except delete the contents of your home folder.

      Moral of the story again: Untrusted code could do anything. Don't download copied software.

    10. Re:Now unveiling... by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Perhaps, but then they will get what's coming to them - they take the risk by getting their software from shady sites.

      There's a much higher percentage of Mac users who *do* pay for their software though, so this just won't affect them.

      It's only $80 or something for iWork. If you really need it, you can afford to buy it (and don;t give me that "some people are so poor" crap - if you can buy a computer, you can budget for the software to run on it).

    11. Re:Now unveiling... by Zencyde · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Apparently it's not that easy: http://www.linux.com/articles/42031
      Stupid Linux.. not letting me run viruses. :(

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    12. Re:Now unveiling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      no, no, no. Virii in Linux world work on the honor system. You randomly delete a dozen of your files and mail the virus on to everyone in your address book.

    13. Re:Now unveiling... by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That was exactly my point. It's a trojan that relies on social engineering to defeat system security, and that's not unique to any one operating system, Windows, Mac or even your favourite flavour of Linux if you're in the market of using dodgy packages.

      I didn't mention anything about porn or music.

    14. Re:Now unveiling... by Shadowmist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The installation of this virus still requires the user to authorise it to do so by entering an admin password. It's far different than many Windows worms which can infect simply by the built-in autorun feature of windows which will feed a worm into your machine as soon as you stick in a USB or floppy inside your box. Macs do have protections from viruses that Windows does not, but like any protection, if you give the vampire entrance, it's all over.

    15. Re:Now unveiling... by aplusjimages · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So many you *require* a dedicated third party app

      What? Let me fix that for you.

      So many you *require* a dedicated third party apps

      That's more like it.

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    16. Re:Now unveiling... by Sfing_ter · · Score: 3, Funny

      yeah, but viruses sounds like breastuses.

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    17. Re:Now unveiling... by amiga3D · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Moral of the story again: Untrusted code could do anything. Don't download copied software."

      But often in the case of the Mac, this may be your ONLY way to get software, for older machines. run the newer stuff, say the new iLife versions? You can't buy the older ones....where are you supposed to get it?

      Try ebay, or one of numerous mac software houses. Older versions of iLife can be picked up for next to nothing complete with the retail box. If you fool around in the cesspool of piracy don't be suprised if you end up with a bad smell.

    18. Re:Now unveiling... by kalirion · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's the world coming too? I mean if you can't even trust a warez provider...

    19. Re:Now unveiling... by FireFlie · · Score: 3, Funny

      No, no. The affluence thing is actually spot on. See, I'm posting from a Mac and wearing a monocle.

    20. Re:Now unveiling... by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's viruses, not virii.

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  2. Not that I condone piracy but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why not download the Trial version and unlock it with one of the million serials out there?

    1. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by FearForWings · · Score: 5, Funny

      Then you don't get the trojan from iWorks, but from the keygen that further frustrates you by playing an annoying and loud tune while you go through the serial generating process.

      Note to keygen creators: I do not want to hear your brother's crappy techno remixes when using your app. Is there some way I can pay you to disable this feature?

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    2. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by Firehed · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not that I'd ever use a keygen or anything, but that's definitely only a Windows problem. From what I *cough* hear, most apps are either pre-cracked, have a drag-and-drop crack (how Mac-like), or just need any of a hundred serials floating around with no further mess.

      (Actually, I think all of my software is totally legit except for Photoshop, and I plan to buy it eventually)

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    3. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by Em+Ellel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Note to keygen creators: I do not want to hear your brother's crappy techno remixes when using your app. Is there some way I can pay you to disable this feature?

      Erm, you can indeed. You can pay money to buy a legit serial number - voila - no crappy techno music.

      -Em

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    4. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by djupedal · · Score: 4, Informative

      Apple removed serial number requirements from iWork '09 - just install for the CD and go.

      Now, explain again how to use a sn with a crippled trail, please...

    5. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      There's always the .nfo file that confuses my computer until i force it to open with notepad/wordpad and then I get to see some really badass ascii. Sweet.

    6. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by raju1kabir · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is that what they called the wheelchair ramp in national parks in the 1960s?

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    7. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by centuren · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then you don't get the trojan from iWorks, but from the keygen that further frustrates you by playing an annoying and loud tune while you go through the serial generating process.

      Note to keygen creators: I do not want to hear your brother's crappy techno remixes when using your app. Is there some way I can pay you to disable this feature?

      Send your money to me, and I'll reply with instructions on how to "mute" undesired sounds you find coming out of your computer. Never be forced to listen to crappy music again!

    8. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by hachete · · Score: 5, Funny

      (Actually, I think all of my software is totally legit except for Photoshop, and I plan to buy it eventually)

      We all plan to buy Photoshop.

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    9. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by Poorcku · · Score: 2, Funny

      you can alwayas crack it, and disable the music.

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    10. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Funny

      Will I be able to listen to my mp3s while using the keygen?

    11. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by denzacar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Me neither.

      Particularly knowing that my former boss and his competition still run only pirated software on all of their computers.
      Being lazy bastards - most Mac pirating was done by just copying the entire folder of the particular app.
      No registry, no shared .DLLs... no two computers being able to run the same app cause it's serial was already being used somewhere else on the network.

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    12. Re:Not that I condone piracy but by clone53421 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't. And I don't plan on pirating it, either. Perhaps you high-powered graphics designers need the full-blown Photoshop, but I'm fine with GIMP.

      (No, I don't want to start a GIMP-vs-Photoshop flame war. I fully realise that some people won't accept GIMP as a substitute, either because they've already paid for and learned Photoshop or because they're one of the rare people – graphics designers or what-have-you – who needs certain features that GIMP doesn't support. I'm just pointing out that probably most average people, like myself, can manage just fine with GIMP, so why go the illegal route?)

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  3. Of course by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    About Intego

    Intego develops and sells desktop Internet security and privacy software for Macintosh.

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    1. Re:Of course by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      LittleSnitch is one of my favorite security programs. Shows any outgoing connections and I can allow for that session, once, or forever and to just that port, any port, that host, that host and port.

      Does anyone have a torrent to a file with the trojan? I'd like to open the .pkg and and look at it. It's surprisingly easy to look at the 'install' files. Right click on the pkg and open a few folders and look for pre-flight & post-flight scripts (which can be written in about any language). .pkgs are fun little things.

    2. Re:Of course by calmofthestorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's especially nice if such monitoring software is not "on the radar" of malware sites, since they could include a workaround for such software, as is frequently done for Norton and Symantic on Windows.

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    3. Re:Of course by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (stares at the Macbook touchpad)

      You got two fingers? (If not, sorry, I'm an insensitive clod.)

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    4. Re:Of course by biocute · · Score: 2, Informative

      I can confirmed LittleSnitch works like a charm.

      The site above doesn't provide free download, so I went to an abundantware site called ThePirateBay.org.

      I'm surprised this little germ even comes with pre-whitelist feature and several connections that I've never heard of have already been pre-allowed.

      Truly a time-saver.

  4. cynicism by bwthomas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometimes I wonder if companies that create security software aren't sometimes guilty of either creating or funding the creation of viruses, trojans, worms, &c. simply to justify their own existence.

    Is that cynical?

    1. Re:cynicism by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They certainly use virus news to justify their existence and the cost of their products. The fact that they exist is tantamount to admitting that no OS can be fully secured.

      The harder anti-virus vendors bleat on about how good their product is, the more bragging rights a virus writer will get for walking around the security... among their own crowd. It's more or less a case of putting up a wall and telling the world, there, you can't get past this wall now.

      The real trouble with anti-virus vendors is that they tend to convince people that once their product is installed, the end user's pc is safe. It is NOT, and won't ever be. Some of the best virus programs in the world are still out in the wild, running as they were intended to run, collecting and passing information as they are supposed to. Since they are not destructive to normal computer activity, they go undetected. Don't say that such does not exist... I know you have not done forensics on all existent computers. Every now and then we hear about some corporate espionage or attacks from state military groups etc. All of this is just hinting at the real problems: The virus programs we don't know about.

      Think about it. If a virus program did some key logging for bank URLs then spread itself a bit, then self destructed... hmmmmm They are seeing more sophisticated virus programs now, and fortunately beginning to look for them. Sadly, you'll have some pretty incredibly long scan times to find some types of malicious software: none of this 45 minute scan by Symantec etc.

      Soon, you'll need a multicore CPU just to handle real time scanning. It's a giant whack-a-mole game. Always will be.

    2. Re:cynicism by warrigal · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey! Just who are you calling cracker, boy?

    3. Re:cynicism by LiENUS · · Score: 2, Informative

      Think about it. If a virus program did some key logging for bank URLs then spread itself a bit, then self destructed... hmmmmm They are seeing more sophisticated virus programs now, and fortunately beginning to look for them. Sadly, you'll have some pretty incredibly long scan times to find some types of malicious software: none of this 45 minute scan by Symantec etc.

      Presumably you mean worm programs not virus programs. Virus programs are typically very obvious as they modify the executables on the system they infect. These modifications are easily detected as the checksums (md5, crc, whatever) change and someone notices.

    4. Re:cynicism by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, IMO we are in need of another category of malicious software. Social engineering allows code writers to get their code run by the user in a way that is neither stealthy or without their knowledge. It runs as a user program, and did not necessarily 'infect' the machine, yet is a virus by the definition that it has modified an executable. So we need either a new term, or be satisfied that the generic use of the term 'virus' fits such code.

      An example would be a screen saver that does it's work when the computer is idle and the screen saver itself has been run on the user's command to do so. That group of software that claims to be scanning software which does more than look for malicious code is also in this category. It's becoming quite confusing, and at any turn unvalidated code can be malicious. Many end users are unable to know the difference without much more training. Social engineering makes it fairly simple to get users to run malicious code.

      We've seen people repackage OOo software and sell it. It won't be long before we discover such tactics used to deliver malicious code. Would that be a virus or a worm?

      You see, my favorite scenario for malicious code is quite simple... spreads like a virus, then sits and waits patiently for the moment that it finds itself on a machine whose user is 'bill gates' (as an example) then every time the screen saver is activated, it searches the drive for the oldest .xls or .doc files and deletes two of them that are at least 45 days since last access. Every 17th time (or follow a Fibonacci number sequence) the screen saver is activated, it searches for Symantec installations and deletes the current virus definition file. Every 6th boot, it loads a key logger which looks for a select set of certain bank URLs. Every time you plug in a USB drive, it copies itself to the USB device if the screen saver is activated. You see, there are many ways to create hard to find problems. It won't be long before we are seeing them.

  5. It's all Apple fault by pHatidic · · Score: 4, Funny

    If only Apple hadn't stripped out the DRM this would have never happened!

  6. No, that's impossible. by coppro · · Score: 2, Funny

    Haven't you seen the ads? Mac OS X doesn't get viruses. This story is a complete fabrication, bankrolled by Microsoft, created to instil fear in The Perfect Operating System. Please link real stories next time.

    1. Re:No, that's impossible. by falcon5768 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Whos talking about a virus? I dont see ANYTHING about a virus. I DO see a story about a TROJAN. Whole different ball of wax there. No system EVER will be secure from a trojan, since for a trojan to work the USER has to willingly give his admini password to install it.

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    2. Re:No, that's impossible. by onecheapgeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And how long has it been since a true virus was attacking windows? It's always trojans, worms or adware and has been for several years.

    3. Re:No, that's impossible. by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And how long has it been since a true virus was attacking windows?

      Just this week.

      It's always trojans, worms or adware and has been for several years.

      A worm differs from a virus only in so much that it doesn't need to copy itself into a system program. For all intents and purposes however, the difference between the two terms is antiquated.

    4. Re:No, that's impossible. by troll8901 · · Score: 2, Funny

      And how long has it been since a true virus was attacking windows?

      Every single day. Truly. They do that in building construction and renovation all the time.

      ("You move to an area and you multiply and multiply ... There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus.")

      It's always trojans, worms or adware and has been for several years.

      I don't think big wooden horses can fit through a window, although little crawling worms and poster advertisements can.

  7. It really should be noted... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    That it is the easiest trojan to use ever. Bravo, Apple.

  8. Why is this a story? by Dreadneck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Since when does a PEBKAC error count as news? If you're idiot enough to install pirated software then you deserve what you get - and absolutely nobody can protect a computer system against user stupidity.

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    1. Re:Why is this a story? by Dreadneck · · Score: 2, Insightful
      From the article:

      The installer for the Trojan horse is launched as soon as a user begins the installation of iWork, following the installer's request of an administrator password

      As I said, it's a PEBKAC error. If you give an installer your admnin password it can do whatever it pleases. Only an idiot installs pirated wares and only a supremely stupid idiot gives said warez the root password. No security paradigm will ever be invented that cannot be undermined by human stupidity.

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    2. Re:Why is this a story? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As I said, it's a PEBKAC error. If you give an installer your admnin password it can do whatever it pleases.

      And if you read my post, I'm telling you that is a design flaw in the OS. On a well designed OS, the software has more granularity of permission than "can do everything include connect to random servers" and "can't install". Apple seems to agree with me since they added an ACL framework to restrict applications with a finer level of permissions in the last version, although it is only used for a small subset of applications so far.

      Only an idiot installs pirated wares and only a supremely stupid idiot gives said warez the root password.

      I think installing pirated software is unethical and risky, but not necessarily stupid. As for giving it the root password, users have to give up their password all the time to install software, which is part of the problem.

      No security paradigm will ever be invented that cannot be undermined by human stupidity.

      Maybe, maybe not, but you can sure do a heck of a lot more than current, mainstream OS's do now to help users avoid such security threats.

  9. Re: But, but.... by JPortal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This requires user action and piracy. No one can -ever- claim that -any- computer is safe from, essentially, social engineering.

  10. If Apple were evil... by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If Apple were evil they could deliberately put hacked versions onto filesharing sites. More seriously, this is a good example of why even pirating software is really not a good idea. Unless you know exactly who you are downloading from you don't know what you are getting. Very little commercial software has nice little checksums or hashes that are easily available for you to verify. Downloading pirated software is a bit like having unprotected sex with a stranger. It might feel real good now, but you are going to regret it later.

    1. Re:If Apple were evil... by rdnetto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How exactly would they get these offers? If one company can locate them, then so can the others, including the ones interested in suing them.
      Besides, I sincerely doubt that anyone would waste their time breaking into someone else's account just so that they could upload an infected torrent that would be removed within the hour.
      Finally, there are the comments - people will warn you if the torrent is infected.

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  11. But... by alienunknown · · Score: 2, Interesting
    From the article:

    Late last year, in fact, when Apple revised an online recommendation that Mac users consider running antivirus software, the move drew lots of attention.

    Most antivirus programs on os x actually scan for Windows viruses only, and are totally useless against almost all os x malware. The only software vendor that I know of that makes anti-malware programs for native OS X malware is Intego. Intego make great software and are mentioned in this article, but what about all the mac users out there who get a mac virus scanner that only scans for windows viruses? A lot of people are being duped.

  12. Re:Not a vulnerability by DurendalMac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think anyone would blame Microsoft for user-installed malware. It's when you get something simply by going to a website, clicking a link, mounting a drive, or even just hooking it up to the internet that can be blamed on lousy code. When malicious nasties get onto OS X by any of the above with no real action on the user's part, then you we can all blame Apple just like we blamed Microsoft. Until then, it's just a PEBKAC issue.

  13. Re: But, but.... by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This requires user action and piracy.

    So does 99.99% of windows malware.

    No one can -ever- claim that -any- computer is safe from, essentially, social engineering.

    Again right. But what's the solution? That is the real question.

    Because this is the ecosystem microsoft lives in, we've seen what they're trying... digital signatures on drivers, the inability to put admin items in your startup, UAC prompts... etc, etc.

    What is Apple going to do in response to inevitable arrival of social-engineering malware as it gains marketshare?
    What is Linux going to if/when it acheives enough marketshare among joe-sixpacks for social engineering to be profitable?

    As much as /. likes to take shots at Microsoft, what would you do better? *nix security is just as vulnerable to social engineering as windows is, given the same users.

  14. Re:Not a vulnerability by onecheapgeek · · Score: 2

    If it can install a launch agent/daemon, it runs as system with full access to anything. And all it takes to install a launch agent/daemon is your admin password.

  15. Re: But, but.... by calmofthestorm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Um most pirated software is clean of malware. The primary vectors are email and infected websites (often reputable ones that are compromised themselves, often due to sketchy)

    The "piracy has VIRUSES!" myth is very much a content industry creation. I'm more concerned about malware in "genuine" software than pirated, and one more reason that I pirate things when I do. Of course, you -are- running an executable from a total stranger. At least "genuine" software makers have it tied to their name, so this could easily become truer.

    Given that all three OSes have sudo, social engineering will ALWAYS work. Unless we take sudo away from average users (which is far easier to get away with on linux than windows and still have everything work smoothly)

    If you're really paranoid, you might consider running your browser and mail client in a virtual machine

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  16. Re: But, but.... by Daengbo · · Score: 2, Informative

    The biggest w32 virus right now only requires the user to click on what appears to be the normal choice for safe viewing of USB key contents, but other USB trojans don't even need that much. Most of the other forms of malware are installed via drive-by download or by worm propogation. I doubt 99.99% of malware needs user action, or worms, USB Trojans, and drive bys wouldn't be so dangerously prevalent.

    I guess you could call "visiting a website" or "plugging in a USB key" user user action, but there's no action needed to be infected by a worm.

    Wait. You're right. Users have to turn on their machines.

  17. Get a Mac, duh. by ArbiterShadow · · Score: 2, Funny

    Lol viruses? Get a Mac. Oh wait.

  18. New anti-virus company by Narnie · · Score: 5, Funny

    As long as there are crackers without girlfriends in the world, they don't need to.

    I propose starting a new anti-virus company that will focus on dates for crackers rather than OS security.

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  19. Re: But, but.... by Anthony_Cargile · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So does 99.99% of windows malware.

    Somehow I doubt that Windows worms and exploits only make up .001% of all Windows malware. The old lsass exploit (yeah, I know you remember) was pretty widespread and only required an internet connection and an unpatched Windows 2000/maybe XP machine. ...But it was only a part of the .001% of non-user interactive malware that your statistics seem to assert.

  20. Why not download directly from Apple? by WiiVault · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't steal software, ever, but it is a well known fact (among Mac users) that iWork can be downloaded direct from Apple. All it takes is a valid serial number and you are ready to go. Why the heck would anybody bother firing up a torrent?

    1. Re:Why not download directly from Apple? by WiiVault · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was using common terminology, I realize you are not "stealing". You are just depriving the owner of profits. Perhaps you would have never bought it it at all, but I wouldn't be proud of the habit. BT is great for trials, or getting lossless versions of songs you already bought, or Linux distros. But straight up long term use of pirated (another imperfect term) software is not good for our industry. I download tons of stuff against the "law" but I am certain to observe the moral law of paying my due.

  21. Re:Why pirate iWork by Firehed · · Score: 2, Informative

    Have you downloaded something using Apple's servers? I get a solid 1MB/s+ almost all the time, pretty much maxing out my entire connection. It's very rare for me to get anywhere near that on ANY torrent, even very popular ones - plus Apple doesn't ask me to upload the same amount for proper etiquette.

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    How are sites slashdotted when nobody reads TFAs?
  22. Re: But, but.... by Doctor_Jest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They don't encourage users NOT to install... they simply don't hawk the virus software as a crutch to avoid good common sense. That's not to say that Windows (or more specifically Microsoft) does, it's just the nature of the OS itself that dictates what might be vs. what might not be.

    You can safely say that, out of the box, Apple's OS is safer than Microsoft's (and you can make up your own reasons why), and this particular "virus" (it's a trojan, not a virus) isn't related to a vulnerability in the OS. It's related to a vulnerability in a trusting user. It's vastly different than an exploit that antivirus programs are designed to watch for. No antivirus would protect someone from this, unless it was known already as a trojan (then an update would have to show up, etc.) But you begin to see the fallacy of blaming Apple for social engineering. Educating the novices of ANY OS is something we should be doing, rather than trying to have a pissing contest between Jobs and Ballmer.

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  23. How is this news? by mysidia · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Software programs downloaded from third-party pirate sites can contain trojans.

    Film at 11!

    It's not like trojans are unusual, they are commonplace, and a risk for every computer user who thinks about running things from untrusted sources.

  24. Pirates by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not to troll, but as far as I'm concerned anyone who pirates software deserves it...

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    1. Re:Pirates by Damn+The+Torpedoes · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yea, they deserve it. They also deserve any repercussions from their ISP's due to their computer performing the trojan's payload. Frankly, if you download illegally, you're incurring a very real risk. Deal with it, or don't pirate; it's as simple as that.

    2. Re:Pirates by kalirion · · Score: 2, Funny

      And does everyone who purchase a dime bag off the street deserve to have it laced with crack?

    3. Re:Pirates by citylivin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So I assume you would be in favour of trojaned pirated mp3s deleting your music collection?

      There are no "ethical" virus writers. Do not pretend this was done as some sort of moralistic point. They are building botnets, and that is wrong.
      Period.

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  25. Re:Then We should use Ubuntu! by nawcom · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am using Ubuntu and pretty sure this kind of trojan wouldn't work! Mac has a pretty "case" with nice looking silver color but I don't think the OS and software parts are good enough, so Mac is not my cup of tea.

    This requires someone to install. you can easily receive a trojan via a .run script or installer binary for commercial or closed source software without knowing. it only requires root access, which you grant when you install the software. think of the vmware workstation installer. this is no different from any unix based OS. I can't believe you think Ubuntu is any more protected. Learn a little.

  26. Re: But, but.... by brit74 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Um most pirated software is clean of malware. The primary vectors are email and infected websites (often reputable ones that are compromised themselves, often due to sketchy)
    Well, if as few as 10% of the pirated software has viruses, then anyone who downloads and installs 10 software apps has roughly a 66% chance of getting something. It seems bizarre that malware creators wouldn't use pirated software to spread keyloggers and other nasty stuff. I mean - if I went to a website and got a popup to download and install an exe, or I got something in my email that said to run an exe, I'd NEVER do it. And neither would most tech-savy people. But, people who pirate software are installing the software they're downloading. That's a malware-creator's dream come true. I'm sure mafia and identity-theft criminals love the idea (and they can create lots of seeders to create the illusion of being legit).

    The "piracy has VIRUSES!" myth is very much a content industry creation.
    Uh huh. And the ""piracy has viruses" is a myth" myth is advocated by people who want to believe piracy is totally safe.

    I'm more concerned about malware in "genuine" software than pirated, and one more reason that I pirate things when I do.
    Well, pirated software has the "malware" created by the genuine software manufacturers plus the malware added to it by anyone who wants to add a trojan.

  27. Re:Nice of them to tell you how to remove it. by nawcom · · Score: 5, Informative

    Their alert, unlike every other antivirus company alert, does not tell you how to remove the trojan.

    Nice.

    sudo -s (enter password)
    rm -r /System/Library/StartupItems/iWorkServices
    rm /private/tmp/.iWorkServices
    rm /usr/bin/iWorkServices
    rm -r /Library/Receipts/iWorkServices.pkg
    killall -9 iWorkServices

  28. Mod parent up. removal instructions. by plasmacutter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mod parent informative.

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  29. Re: But, but.... by Fumus · · Score: 2, Funny

    The primary vectors are email and infected websites (often reputable ones that are compromised themselves, often due to sketchy)

    A-ha! I knew that there was one mastermind behind all of this. Now we only have to catch sketchy!

  30. Re: But, but.... by cliffski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm part of teh evil content industry. If one of my games wrecks your PC, you can sue me. You can track me down easily from my registered company name and bring court proceedings for damages.
    Now try doing that to an anonymous cracker from eastern Europe.

    The fact that I know I am legally responsible for the software I sell means I make damn sure there is nothing dodgy in it. This is the opposite incentive for pirates.

    An example might be the cracked copy of Democracy 2. It crashes when you win the election apparently This isn't in the full version, and is likely a side effect of their crack. What else their crack does I would not like to speculate on, but I sure as hell don't think it's worth risking that they are trustworthy guys to save myself twenty bucks.

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  31. OpenSource and Malware by krischik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just wish someone would do this for the Linux world. I've tried nearly every ISO download under "Applications -> Unix" on The Pirate Bay, but everything seems to be *legal*.

    Why then does OpenOffice.org tell us not to use version which are not from there very own server? Legal does not mean free of malware ad-ons.

    The truth is: OpenSource makes is easier to attach malware to a download.

    Note that I am all in favour of OpenSource - but one should not close his / her eyes from the downside.

  32. Re:Hard on Linux and other OSS. by prospectofdeath · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, you could make a "Vubuntu - Ubuntu with Virus edition". But then, how do you get people to download it ?

    If you said it protected your bittorrenting from 'The Man' or hid your porn from your mom someone would download it.

  33. whew... thank gawd... by night_flyer · · Score: 3, Funny

    Im running windows...

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  34. Huh? by roystgnr · · Score: 2, Funny

    But then how will I describe it when more than one virus infects my boxen?