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YouTube To Allow Self-Serve Ads For Major Media Players

thefickler writes to tell us that YouTube plans on raising revenue by allowing major media players to run their own ads on the video site for, not only their own content, but illegally uploaded content by other users. "The site says CBS is already on board for the scheme, with other giants expected to join. The scheme will allow TV, movie and music companies to upload content and then sell advertising themselves, for example through images or animations which are overlaid on suitable sections of the clips. YouTube will then take a cut of this advertising revenue."

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  1. Illegal upload by Jurily · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but illegally uploaded content by other users

    You mean, possible copyright infringements?

    How about "innocent until proven guilty"?

    1. Re:Illegal upload by htnmmo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Innocent until proven guilty?

      It's not Google's job to decide who is guilty and who isn't. They have to dump anything if they get a copyright complaint if they want to keep their Safe Harbor protections as per the DCMA.

      Google has been experiencing much slower growth in ad revenue lately and AdSense publisher revenues are much worse and are looking for new exciting revenue streams to try and get that triple digit growth rate again.

    2. Re:Illegal upload by Jurily · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They have to dump anything if they get a copyright complaint if they want to keep their Safe Harbor protections as per the DCMA.

      I know, that's why I'm waiting for a swedish Youtube-equivalent to take over.

      I was complaining about the term "illegal". Doublethink at its finest.

      Google has been experiencing much slower growth in ad revenue lately and AdSense publisher revenues are much worse and are looking for new exciting revenue streams to try and get that triple digit growth rate again.

      Yeah, driving youtube in the ground will surely make that happen.

    3. Re:Illegal upload by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You mean, possible copyright infringements?

      How about "innocent until proven guilty"?

      Fair Use is an affirmative defense.
      It means the defendant bears the burden of proof.

      Copyright infringement really is "guilty until proven innocent",
      especially when the facts of the case are not in dispute.

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    4. Re:Illegal upload by witherstaff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We've become a culture of guilty until proven innocent. Look at the problems the governor of Illinois is going through without being convicted of anything yet.

    5. Re:Illegal upload by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 3, Informative

      He's being impeached. In Illinois, you don't even have to commit a crime to be impeached. It's like being fired.

  2. Self-Aware Ads. by Fumus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whew. For a second there I read it as "Youtube to allow self-aware ads for major media players".

  3. Does this mean we can post copyrighted content now by sarahbau · · Score: 2, Insightful

    YouTube has been on a spree deleting lots of videos that use songs or parts of songs by Warner Music Group. I think I could stand having a short advertisement before watching a video (but not during it) if it meant people could post these videos again.

  4. Is this really all that bad? by Zakabog · · Score: 4, Informative

    The summary seems to be describing this as if it's a bad thing.

    FTA:

    The firms will also be able to take advantage of YouTube's Content ID system which attempts to identify copyrighted material which has been uploaded without permission. Firms taking part in the scheme can opt for such clips, rather than being taken offline as normal, to remain on the site but with advertising added.

    So rather than youtube deleting every TV show/music video/sports clip/etc. uploaded by users that violates copyright, the company that owns the copyrights to the video can now sell ad space on the video. It's not like they're selling ad space to CBS for someone's video blog, the person doesn't legally have the right to upload a video that someone else owns, at least now the videos can stay up, but with annoying ads.

    1. Re:Is this really all that bad? by mr_mischief · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree. Yet it doesn't say what protections are in place for keeping CBS's ads out of clips mistakenly identified as belonging to CBS. Will companies like Lucasfilm put ads in legally allowed parodies like Chad Vader that actually have very little to do with actual Lucasfilm characters and nothing to do with their plots?

    2. Re:Is this really all that bad? by Anxiety35 · · Score: 3, Informative

      They've planning this for some time. I got an email over a month ago telling me that "Diaganol View" claimed copyright on a Reuters video I had uploaded. Part of their email said:

      "As long as diaganol view has a claim on your video, they will receive public statistics about your video, such as number of views... [Diaganol may also] place advertisements on this video's watch page."

      They also said I could dispute the claim, so mistaken videos shouldn't be too much of a problem (hopefully).

  5. I wonder... by Anachragnome · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...when all these brilliant marketing peoples will stop seeing advertising as another "revenue stream" and see it as "another reason not to use the service".

    Kinda like me.

    1. Re:I wonder... by CaptCovert · · Score: 5, Informative

      So, I guess you're a /. subscriber as well?

      Or have you not noticed the banners on all the pages?

      Marketing people will stop seeing advertising as a revenue stream when people actually stop using a service because of the advertisements. Or, to put it another way: marketing people will stop seeing advertising as another revenue stream when it actually stops being a revenue stream.

    2. Re:I wonder... by nicklott · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because the services cost money to run and are free to use.

      For most websites advertising is not just another revenue stream, it's their ONLY revenue stream. Servers and bandwidth cost money, and if you're doing something right, lots of money. If you're doing something right with video it's a heinous amount of money. Having a successful website doesn't qualify you for instant magic payments, you have to go earn the money somehow.

      It's amazing that so many bright people who work with technology just don't get this concept (perhaps they live mainly in academia, where you do get magic payments)

      The subscription revenue model died out five years ago. It didn't work. It turns out most people prefer to have their content for free and see a few ads rather than pay $30 a year for no ads. I have seen sites that went the wrong direction (ad funded to subscription only) and they either very quickly reverted or died. Traffic dropped by 90-99%, revenue by 50-75%. They can make it in some very specialised sectors (eg finance, nautical weather) but by and large it's a dud model.

    3. Re:I wonder... by jlarocco · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Your argument falls kinda flat, since I seriously doubt the marketers keep track(or even know) of how many people actually stop using a service because of advertising frustrations. It would go AGAINST them if they were to actually make that information available to prospective advertisers.

      Your argument doesn't even make sense. If you're blocking the ads, they can't be bothering you, because you don't even see them, so why do you even care?

      As for revenue, the advertisers are obviously making money, or they'd stop doing it. You think they just get a kick out of annoying people (or in your case being completely ignored)? Some idiot marketting drone is saying "Damn, I'm losing money, but annoying the shit out of everybody is worth it! Haha!"?

      And, yeah, when I can no longer turn off the ads here on /., I'll stop coming here. Then, you might say, slashdot will fall and crumble without the advertising revenue. So be it. Find a business model that works.

      No, I don't think they will. I also block the ads here, but if I couldn't for some reason, I would subscribe before I stopped coming here. Not everybody is a cheap bastard.

    4. Re:I wonder... by vux984 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, I don't think they will. I also block the ads here, but if I couldn't for some reason, I would subscribe before I stopped coming here. Not everybody is a cheap bastard.

      I would subscribe when they make it worth my while by adding features to the subscribe site I find value in, not when they make the free site so abominably bad that would consider paying not to use it.

      Given most aren't subscribers, and most would leave if the site got that abominably bad, and the core value of the site is the people, there wouldn't be much point in subscribing to what was left any way.

    5. Re:I wonder... by DrEldarion · · Score: 2, Informative

      Probably around the same time that all services and content becomes free to create and run with all their employees volunteering to keep it running without being paid.

      What a horrible question. Do you honestly expect someone to run a service providing trillions of video streams and never take any money from it? How exactly is the bandwidth going to be paid for? How will the employees be paid?

      Advertising is currently the only viable solution to this problem. If you think you have a better one, implement it and put Google out of business.

    6. Re:I wonder... by steelfood · · Score: 2, Informative

      To bring this back into relevency, youtube's a little different though.

      1) You can't block their video ads.

      2) The quality of service they offer is completely dependent on their users.

      They won't disappear because of all the small-fry users getting pissed and leaving. But they certainly won't have the mindshare of the masses as a place to host homemade videos online.

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  6. invasive popups are already annoying by Satanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am already annoyed by the number of popups I see on youtube nowadays.

    I rarely use the site anymore just because its so damn annoying having all those little bubbles overlaying my video clip. I know I can close them, but its just bothersome and annoying.

    I wonder if this will be another nail in the coffin for the service?

  7. overlay on a video you haven't made yourself? by aleph42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Okay, so this sounds really smart at first: studios get some money when people watch something they have helped create, and the mashup artist gets some peace to show his stuff.

    But wait... the ad would not be beside the video, but *overlaid* ????

    So let me get this straight:

        - knock knock, we're from the 'church' of Scientology, and we own the content to that (anti-scientology) clip. Can we overlay it with an ad for us, which lasts for the whole duration of the video, and cover the whole screen?
        - Sure, I'm just an automated bot; pay me 10$ and you'll be on your way!

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  8. Nice by Gizzmonic · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can see it now..."LOL FUNNY!!! MAN LIGHTS FART," inadvertently sponsored by Bic Lighters and Kingston charcoal!

    Seriously though, the auto-inserted ads could lead to some hilarious juxtapositions. I hope it's smarter than gmail, which always tries to sell me panties and "bachelorette party supplies."

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    1. Re:Nice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      >I hope it's smarter than gmail, which always tries to sell me panties and "bachelorette party supplies."

      Something tells me if you should stop writing your friends about fun anal insertion and about wearing tiaras, those awful ads will go away.

  9. Re:Do no evil by ChienAndalu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, it's how they want to earn money. Please don't tell me you didn't see this coming.

  10. Re:Replacement on "Fair Use" Videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a tip: putting the link to your juggling video into your sig is probably easier than trying to find a lame way to work it into all your comments.

    See comment history: http://slashdot.org/~screenbert

  11. Re:YouScrewd! by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So start your own or host your own movies. Flash has finally made it so that I can distribute stuff to people without too much hassle. Quicktime never seemed to work perfect, especially for the computer illiterate. Now I can just say "If you can use youtube, you can use my site". I use JW FLV Media Player to serve Rugby Songs and Game Films*. I use some ffmpeg compressors to do it and in no time I have media that almost anyone can view and use.

    * Yes. I am masochistic, never had my websites bench marked before...

  12. Re:YouScrewd! by CaptCovert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It may also cut down on the number of people that actually post to YouTube. If any company can claim a video is copyrighted and get ads placed all over it, what steps does the author have to declare the work a 'derivative' or 'artistic representation' (in other words, fight the copyright infringement claim)?

  13. Braaains by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, will YouTube bother vetting these ads, or will they become the next great haven for unvetted rogue Flash ads that redirect you to malware sites?

    1. Re:Braaains by techess · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would guess so. I'm guessing that is why they've been vetting their videos. First they got rid of everything sexually explicit and now they are getting rid of things that are graphic. Probably because they don't want to piss off their advertisers. One of my favorite former youtube videos was of a guy who had wrapped tinfoil around his male parts and stuck it into an electric socket. No naughty bits showed (less than what you can see in a PG-13 movie) but they've pulled it from the site.

      Though I think I would laugh so hard I'd wet myself if the tinfoil video was followed by a Reynold commercial.

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  14. But what if...? by tsstahl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What happens to misappropriated by Big Media content?

    Let's say my vid of "Babe" gets tagged as infringing by the group Styx or the owners of the pig movie. Now they are illegally profiting off of my IP, what recourse is there? Sure, the number of people in this situation will be small, but not insignificant.

  15. Re:Overlaid ads are a copyright infringment? by WiiVault · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think you wave that right when you choose to upload to YouTube and abide by their ToS.

  16. har! by phaetonic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So its going to be like hulu.com

  17. Before or After not in between! by myspace-cn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I really hope they place this advertising before or after the content of the video, instead of right across the intelligence of the video itself. Mangling the works.

  18. Not so bad! by BiggyMcLargeHuge · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have to say... I think this is a great idea. I post weekly videos to Youtube and every once in a while will put music to them. The last one I put up had an old 80's song in it, and lo and behold, the next day I received a copyright "notice" that gave me 2 options: 1 - do nothing and have an ad to buy the song via iTunes or Amazon placed at the bottom of the vid while the music was playing, or 2 - dispute it. I have to say that I dont care if they want to put ads because I really am using their property without permission and it's a MUCH better option than having the video completely removed (which I have had happen in the past for an image of a product), or having your account closed.

  19. Re:Uh oh by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

    Give me a firefox plugin to block this crap otherwise GTG LOL

    No need for a firefox plugin. You can block this crap simply by adding "127.0.0.1 slashdot.org" to your etc/hosts file.

  20. Re:Does this mean we can post copyrighted content by lysergic.acid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    same here. i'm sick of reading news or blog articles on sites like autoblog.com which refer to YouTube videos that have been removed.

    it's especially stupid when Viacom has music videos taken down. the whole reason you make music videos is to promote an artist/song/album. if someone posts it online, they're just giving you more free publicity. you don't charge MTV for playing your music video on Headbangers Ball, so why would you complain about YouTube broadcasting a low-def version of your music video for millions of people to see?

    YouTube's quickly turning into another Photobucket. cheap throwaway image hosts have long been contributing to the sea of dead images polluting online forums and message board archives. likewise, tons of dead YouTube videos can be found embedded in blog posts and even news articles these days because media corporations like Viacom are taking down YouTube uploads of news reports, music videos, TV clips, and even TV commercials.

    i wouldn't even mind if such content were never posted to YouTube in the first place. at least then we wouldn't run into dead YouTube videos left and right. i just wish internet news sites and news blogs would learn to just avoid Viacom/NBC/Fox/etc.'s content. if those companies don't want the free publicity or promotion for their shows/artists, then just ignore them in your online reporting. cover indie bands or indie filmmakers. there's plenty of better quality free content out there that you know won't get taken down by the copyright holders.

  21. Disputing a copyright claim on YouTube by tepples · · Score: 2, Informative

    what steps does the author have to declare the work a 'derivative' or 'artistic representation' (in other words, fight the copyright infringement claim)?

    I had one of my videos, a comparison between "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand and Mr. Resetti's theme from Nintendo's Animal Crossing: Wild World, trigger YouTube's audio recognition. Knowing that the sort of critical commentary in "Cryptomnesia: Animal Crossing" would probably fall squarely within the bounds of fair use as described by 17 USC 107, I clicked the dispute button. I was given a choice among A. the work was misidentified, B. the use is not subject to copyright, or C. I can prove a license from the copyright owner. I clicked B, gave a one-sentence explanation of the nature of the criticism in the video, and submitted the dispute.

  22. Monetary gain from illegal content by zzyzyx · · Score: 2, Informative

    I highly doubt gaining revenue from illegally obtained/generated content is legal. I assume it's assimilable to possession if stolen goods.

  23. Almost 1/3 million silenced YouTube videos by hack++slash · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been keeping an eye on the search results for YouTube videos silenced by WMG from it's original report on an earlier slashdot discussion of 13,600 videos, right now the number is at 294,000 videos and a lot of them have now been removed.

    Looks like WMG are losing out on a very BIG advertising revenue stream by removing almost 1/3 million videos, and the number will most likely grow (1/2 million? 1 million?). If they had any intelligence they'd have turned this debacle into a new revenue stream. A lot of the videos silenced/removed have had millions of views, I certainly wouldn't say no to that level of page views if I could make money from it.

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  24. Re:Replacement on "Fair Use" Videos by Foolicious · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah. I totally agree. I laughed so hard at that fantastic juggling I really worked up an appetite.

    So I picked up a fresh, delicious, tasty, meaty, turkey-filled, cold cut combo. I eat three every day just to keep me strong. Talk about a hole in one!

    Subway sandwiches will drive away your hunger!

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