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Windows 7 To Come In Multiple Versions

Crazy Taco writes "Tom's Hardware reports on newly discovered screenshots that reveal Microsoft is planning to release their newest version of Windows in multiple confusing versions ... again. The information comes from the latest version of the Windows 7 beta, build 7025 (the public beta is build 7000), and shows a screen during installation that asks the user which version of the OS he or she would like to install. Who's up for guessing what the difference is between Windows 7 'Starter' and Windows 7 'Home Basic?'"

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  1. Survey says.... by TheMidnight · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows Starter edition comes without the Pipes screensaver?

    1. Re:Survey says.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Windows Starter edition comes without the Pipes screensaver?

      But that's the best feature!

    2. Re:Survey says.... by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Starter Edition" just lets you install Windows 7, and when it reboots, it pops up a dialog where you must either shutdown, or type in your credit card information to pay for an upgrade to "Home Basic" edition.

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    3. Re:Survey says.... by digitalunity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The confusion is quite ridiculous. I mean really, when the fscking salespeople need to look up tables to determine which windows versions include which features, you can tell someone somewhere in marketing has screwed the pooch badly.

      Maybe MS is preying on the fact that most consumers will be too stupid to know they're buying more than they need, or too elitist to buy just what they will use instead of getting "Ultimate". Either way, they make more money.

      I have nothing against them making money, but hawking feature incomplete operating systems at rock bottom price just to artificially create the appearance of choice drives me nuts.

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    4. Re:Survey says.... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Windows Starter edition comes without the Pipes screensaver?

      The XP Starter edition was a crippled version of XP intended to reduce piracy in countries where people couldn't afford full-priced versions.

      It was limited to 800 x 600 resolution, classic mode only - no theming, only three applications running, and a network restricted to an internet connection, not home networking.

      The press at the time called it "cut-rate," "cheap," "crippled," and "futile. Users in emerging nations ignored it and continued pirating XP.

      Expect the Windows 7 Starter Edition to have similar restrictions.

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    5. Re:Survey says.... by tubegeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's gotten so bad, it's not even any fun to mock them anymore - machine-gunning fish in a barrel is a challenge by comparison.

    6. Re:Survey says.... by deepershade · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thats only because it's the only feature thats stable.

    7. Re:Survey says.... by darkpixel2k · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The confusion is quite ridiculous. I mean really, when the fscking salespeople need to look up tables to determine which windows versions include which features, you can tell someone somewhere in marketing has screwed the pooch badly.

      After being in the Linux arena for several years, I ran into a client that needed a Windows solution. CDW was their preferred vendor. I called them for a quote....and spent the better part of my work day on the phone with the account rep, and some odd sort of Microsoft licensing rep trying to figure out the correct licensing for a handfull of workstations, and two servers.

      Strange combinations of eOpen licenses for workstations, and server CALs, but then special CALs for having more than 1 server on an SBS network, and then a license for SQL, and then Office under some other 'open' license, plus a few standalone apps from the office suite for computers that only needed Word or PowerPoint, etc...

      What a huge fucking nightmare. With all the time spent dealing with the licensing, a company could probably save money if Microsoft had a 'dumptruck licensing plan' where you simply drove them a dump truck full of money every 6 months and you could use whatever software in whatever situation.

      My linux licenses are so much easier.
      Server: $0
      Workstation: $0
      Database (MySQL or Postgresql): $0
      Jabber collaboration server: $0
      Development workstation (with any combination of vi, vim, emacs, openkomodo, kate, eclipse, etc...): $5
      (Actually, my linux sales rep says 'Just kidding stupid, it's $0')

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    8. Re:Survey says.... by LordKaT · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You know, I'd mod you funny ... but there's the nagging thought in the back of my mind that you're serious.

    9. Re:Survey says.... by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 5, Funny

      If we're basing the naming on what the product is aimed at, how about "Trashcan"?

    10. Re:Survey says.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      For you Google chrome users...

      Point your browser to: about:internets

    11. Re:Survey says.... by drsmithy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Why would anyone put up with a hopelessly-crippled-to-the-point-of-being-nearly-useless version of Windows when they could buy a bootleg of a Pro/Ultimate edition on a street corner for almost nothing or even torrent it for free?

      Because most people installing Windows are OEMs, not end users.

    12. Re:Survey says.... by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because it's Microsoft, it's okay to pirate their software.

      Oddly, there are a lot of people that seem to feel this way toward Microsoft. I know several people that I feel are rather honest law abiding type citizens that do. They are totally against any kind of software piracy, except for Microsoft products. They will gladly give out copies of any Microsoft products that they own or accept pirated copies. It's actually a little odd now that I think about it.

    13. Re:Survey says.... by Thinboy00 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My linux licenses are so much easier.

      Server: $0

      Workstation: $0

      Database (MySQL or Postgresql): $0

      Jabber collaboration server: $0

      Development workstation (with any combination of vi, vim, emacs, openkomodo, kate, eclipse, etc...): $5

      (Actually, my linux sales rep says 'Just kidding stupid, it's $0')

      A fully functional server: Priceless.

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    14. Re:Survey says.... by darien · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Presumably it's because it's been proven in multiple courts of law that Microsoft has no problem with illegal acts that extend its market share. Sauce for the goose, my friend.

    15. Re:Survey says.... by dargaud · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I got a laptop with XP home on it. At the time I had no idea what the restrictions were (and no way to get a better version actually). Now not having a [Sharing/Security] tab on folders is actually crippling. I pay money for that shit ?

      Having multiple versions with artificial limitations is the single things that is currently pushing me most towards Linux everywhere (I already develop for it and use it at work, but the next home upgrade will be it).

      The only time I've ranted more at a commercial company bizarre marketing technique was when we ordered extra memory for our (very expensive) HP oscilloscopes. We immediately received a 'memory upgrade license number'. I didn't understand why there was no hardware chip, so I called them up: "Oh, the memory is already inside the oscilloscope, you just need to change your license number in order to activate it!". I was so taken aback I had no breath left to hurl insults at them. If it had been my personal hardware I would have sent the whole thing back for a refund.

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  2. how is this news? by Omega996 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I mean, my copy of the beta from TechNet says right on the login screen 'Windows 7 Ultimate'.
    That would imply a product selection similar to Vista...

  3. another crippleware outrage by spankyofoz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've got big issues with artifically crippled software, where all versions come on the same install media.

    It's like buying a car with 12 cylinders and having a switch hidden under the hood somewhere that controls the number of cylinders used. You buy the budget model, still have to cart around the weight of all 12 cylinders, but only get to use 4 of them.

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  4. Not a surprise really... by zappepcs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I always wondered why they didn't just call it Windows 7 or whatever code name and then distribute it with application packs, which would include application packs such as:
    server app pack
    home/media app pack
    basics/offic app pack

    The way they do it, joe public can't really be sure what version they have. Hell, there are a lot of end users that don't know if they are currently running XP or Vista (but you can tell by complaints about performance LOL).

    I think that Ubuntu, Fedora and others could use with that sort of packaging also. By simply distributing the basic distro and setting up repositories for each application pack. That would make it easy to get a media server based on abc linux set up and maintained.

    1. Re:Not a surprise really... by tchuladdiass · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually you can kind of do that with Fedora. Instead of downloading the full ISO, just download the 5-meg ISO image which contains just the anaconda installer. Then select a fedora mirror as your install server, and choose the package groups that you need as they are presented to you.

      Only thing is they don't make it obvious where to grab the small ISO image. You have to browse through the the repository a bit. For example: "/pub/fedora/linux/releases/10/Fedora/i386/os/images/boot.iso"

  5. Re:The difference by AdamPee · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll just hold out for Windows Cool Ranch.

  6. New Boss Same as Old Boss by BountyX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows 7 is a marketing attempt to remove the negativity associated with the Vista marketing campaign and name. Instead of rolling out vista with a new service pack, they are rolling out "windows 7". In reality, windows 7 is a bunch of delayed features and vista bug fixes. They HAVE to keep the same versioning system as windows vista becuase of licensing tools already in place and the way the development teams are setup. The vista team is working on the Windows 7 stuff too, as opposed to having a seperate dedicated team (which will come later). So from a business standpoint, the internal resources have no need to be rearranged for a simple marketing change.

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  7. Microsoft is at least *gathering* customer input by CambodiaSam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I somehow got roped into the Microsoft Partner Research Panel. It's essentially a mailing list with highly detailed surveys about their products. I figured this ended up in some statistics that are eventually bleached and skewed in their Executive Reports, but heck, it's worth it for the possibility that I might a little bit of my opinion voiced.

    Yesterday they sent one out that asked very pointed questions about XP, Vista, 7, 98/ME/2009, Linux, and Mac OS. Things like "On a scale of 1 to 9, rate how likely you are to develop solutions on one of these platforms".

    They included questions about likely we would be to upgrade systems to Vista if 7 were released soon (Yup, I answered "Extremely Unlikely"). There were also focused questions on the versions available and if it was more/less confusing. I specifically wrote a comment on how the multiple versions serve as an obstacle.

    I wonder when this starts to eat into real profit. I mean, if they have to un-bundle IE for European distribution, they just multiplied their versions by at least 2. Checking MSDN, there are a huge number of flavors for XP when you also add in the 32/64 bit, Embedded, Media, Tablet, Volume License, and other types beyond Home and Pro. At least 50. Yup, 50! And that's XP!

  8. Re:Windows 7 non-starter by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 5, Funny

    I, for one, won't be buying it.

    If you want to cut out the middle man but still support your favorite artists, you can always download it from TPB and then donate $15 directly to Microsoft. Or go to one of their concerts and buy a t-shirt.

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  9. Two Versions by jlindy · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know what all the flap is about. No matter what distinctions Microsoft will impose it'll boil down to just two versions... Server, and Bot-net!

  10. overrun with textbook MBAs by icejai · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The textbook says, if a company is in a monopoly position, the best way to maximize revenues is for them to differentiate their output so as to take away as much consumer surplus possible under the demand curve.

    So, of course, they differentiate their product.

    What they've failed to understand is this factoid completely relies on the consumer's ability to differentiate between the products! If 100,000 Joe Schmoes don't know the difference between Home Basic and Home Premium, then guess what, revenue from the two will just be the average prices between the two as Joe Schmoes around the world toss coins to decide which to buy. Some will buy the "better" (more expensive) one because they can't tell but want to "be safe", while others will get the cheaper one because they can't tell and want to save some money. MS will have been better off just selling an all-encompassing "Home" version at a price set at the averages of the Starter and two Home versions and not incur the overhead costs of differentiating the two versions in the first place.

    Bottom line:
    The people who can differentiate between Start, Home Basic and Home Premium won't bother with either, and the people who can't won't care which one they get.

    I mean, three different versions for non-geeks?? Of all products to differentiate, they choose the one aimed at the customer demographic who are least equipped to make an informed decision between all options.

    Geez, God help you Microsoft.

  11. The reality... by gravos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First of all, all of those flavors were available for Vista as well. Starter was only marketed for emerging markets.

    Second of all, all of those builds have been available since the early days of Windows 7. This isn't something they recently added in to 7025, it's been there the entire time as a carry-over from Vista.

    Just because these versions are randomly available in a pre-release version of an OS doesn't mean they'll still be there by the time it's actually released.

    1. Re:The reality... by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Exactly. The only place I've heard about the "Disasterous Confusion" of vista's multiple versions is on Slashdot.

      Who's up for guessing what the difference is between Windows 7 'Starter' and Windows 7 'Home Basic?

      There is another method... it's far more effective than guessing. You could... look at the feature list.

      http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-vista/compare-editions/default.aspx

      OMG The confusion!!!

      Let me break it down for ya'all

      Do you need remote desktop?
      Ultimate or Business.

      Do you need Faxes?
      Ultimate or Business.

      Do you need Media Center?
      Home Premium or Ultimate.

      Do you want to burn DVDs and HD-DVDs out of the box?
      Home Premium or Ultimate.

      Do you live in a third world country and have flies on your face?
      Home Basic

      Was that REALLY so difficult?

    2. Re:The reality... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah - but there IS a difference....

      The "home" versions of Linux most times are focused on speed rather than stability. Not to say the "home" versions are not stable, but the first priority is things like multimedia etc. Also the focus lays on the latest and newest applications.

      The "Server" versions are optimized to be rock stable and fast in things you could expect from a server. Multimedia has no high priority here. Also software is not the latest bleeding edge but proved and stable.

      So - there is a reason you have two very different types. At the other hand the Microsoft versions are all the same. The only difference is the amount of services (software) added, and the amount of cash you have to deliver...

    3. Re:The reality... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah - but there IS a difference....

      The "home" versions of Linux most times are focused on speed rather than stability. Not to say the "home" versions are not stable, but the first priority is things like multimedia etc. Also the focus lays on the latest and newest applications.

      The "Server" versions are optimized to be rock stable and fast in things you could expect from a server. Multimedia has no high priority here. Also software is not the latest bleeding edge but proved and stable.

      So - there is a reason you have two very different types. At the other hand the Microsoft versions are all the same. The only difference is the amount of services (software) added, and the amount of cash you have to deliver...

      Actually the server versions of Windows are tuned differently too

      http://blogs.msdn.com/larryosterman/archive/2009/01/08/why-do-people-think-that-a-server-sku-works-well-as-a-general-purpose-operating-system.aspx
      One of the senior developers at Microsoft recently complained that the audio quality on his machine (running Windows Server 2008) was poor.

      To me, it's not surprising. Server SKUs are tuned for high performance in server scenarios, they're not configured for desktop scenarios. That's the entire POINT of having a server SKU - one of the major differences between server SKUs and client SKUs is that the client SKUs are tuned to balance the OS in favor of foreground responsiveness and the server SKUs are tuned in favor of background responsiveness (after all, its a server, there's usually nobody sitting at the console, so there's no point in optimizing for the console).

      In this particular case, the documentation for the MMCSS service describes a large part of the root cause for the problem: The MMCSS service (which is the service that provides glitch resilient services for Windows multimedia applications) is essentially disabled on server SKUs. It's just one of probably hundreds of other settings that are tweaked in favor of server responsiveness on server SKUs.

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    4. Re:The reality... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not missing, it's on a secret mission to the neutral zone.

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  12. As opposed to Linux... by AbandonAllHope · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Which only has one version and a single standardized desktop environment. Clearly multiple versions of the same OS are bad.

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  13. Re:Good luck with that by BlueStrat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > It was limited to 800 x 600 resolution, classic mode only - no theming, only three applications running, and a network restricted to an internet connection, not home networking.

    Ouch! Why would anyone bother with it?...You really have to wonder what idiots at Microsoft think this stuff up? Presumably some idiot proposed crippling it to absurdity as "a way to combat piracy" and the co-idiots in the room nodded enthusiastically: "Hey! That'll work."

    That's because it was never actually intended to reduce piracy or to be actually used in said developing countries. It was simply meant to placate politicians' voter-bases while giving the politicians a convenient reason to put more pressure on poor developing nations to adhere to US and international IP laws and cough up more cash. (Thereby also helping to keep them "poor" and "developing".)

    By offering this crippled nearly-useless piece of crap they could then say to the politicians;

    "Hey look! See!? We even went to the trouble to create a low-cost OS *just* for them, and they still pirate our "IP"! Sanction 'em and maybe threaten to stop humanitarian food shipments too, as they're clearly lawless IP pirates with no respect for the rule of law because they refuse to stop their "theft" and switch to paying for the privilege of using this crippled, all-but-useless (P)OS! They're practically terrorists!"

    So then they can co-opt the might of the US government to help them enforce their marketing strategies and price structures around the world.

    Cheers!

    Strat

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