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Obama Looking To Symantec CEO For Commerce

patentpundit writes "Word has started to circulate that President Barack Obama may be close to appointing John W. Thompson, the outgoing chief executive of network security firm Symantec Corp., to be the next Secretary of Commerce. According to the LA Times, over the last several days Thompson has spoken on the telephone and met with key senators, and Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), a member of the commerce committee that would hold confirmation hearings for any appointed Secretary of Commerce, is 'extremely supportive and hopeful he'll be the nominee.' The appointment of Thompson to head the Department of Commerce would be an exceptionally interesting choice given that only days ago President Obama asked Scott McNealy, a co-founder of Sun Microsystems, to lead his open source charge and conduct a study and report back regarding the feasibility of the US government forgoing proprietary software and moving toward open source software solutions."

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  1. Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is his track record so far.

    What can we now expect?

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    1. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Is his track record so far.

      What can we now expect?

      Dude, that's a great resume for a government bureaucrat.

    2. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Symantec software sucks balls. Maybe it is this guy's fault, maybe not.

      Obama certainly has made quite a few strange nominations so far... :-/

    3. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then he's a perfect choice for the new all-Democratic government.

    4. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by FlopEJoe · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds perfect for a government official!

    5. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by kwandar · · Score: 1

      Hey!! It tool a lot of work to make a not bad Anti-virus parasitic bloat wear!! He should be congratulated for having exceeded beyond anything anyone outside of MS could have conceived!

    6. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Symantec antivirus products not reporting NSA developed spyware?

      Paranoids and conspiracy believers unite!

    7. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Anybody that can not only get people to PAY for that shite, but maintain a thriving business based on it, obviously has some skills in commerce.

    8. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by couchslug · · Score: 5, Funny

      "What can we now expect?"

      A Department of Commerce that adds positions throughout government which affect essential services and are difficult to remove without system damage?

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    9. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by jslaff · · Score: 1

      Most Commerce secretaries come in thinking the job is entirely trade, but close to 40 percent of Commerce's budget is NOAA. Q: What's the first thing a Commerce secretary says when he's confirmed? A: "Fish?"

    10. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Excellently summarised :-)

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    11. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by El+Torico · · Score: 1

      A Department of Commerce that adds positions throughout government which affect essential services and are difficult to remove without system damage?

      It already does, as does the Department of Homeland Security, Department of Defense, Department of State, etc. Hiring him would be superfluous.

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    12. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by TheKidWho · · Score: 1

      Depends which version. I use a corporate version of symantec antivirus and it is significantly better and less intrusive than the regular bloatware one would purchase.

    13. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See also:Steve Jobs

    14. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What can we now expect?"

      A Department of Commerce that adds positions throughout government which affect essential services and are difficult to remove without system damage?

      but that would be a good thing wait no wait yes... I dont know.

    15. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Prime example: Bill Gates

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    16. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Most Commerce secretaries come in thinking the job is entirely trade, but close to 40 percent of Commerce's budget is NOAA. Q: What's the first thing a Commerce secretary says when he's confirmed? A: "Fish?"

      Somehow I doubt any incoming secretaries think that. I think the most recognizable faces of the Dept. of Commerce to most people are the Census Bureau and the Patent Office. Techie-types are also likely to know NIST. It would surprise me if trade was a significant part of Commerce's activities. Aside from encouraging free markets abroad (which off the cuff I would be uncertain if that's Commerce's job, or State's), trade is mostly supposed to just take care of itself under market capitalism. Commerce does best just providing it with data and promoting standards to facilitate it. People complain that the federal government is too meddlesome, but it's a testament to just how hands-off our government is that Commerce spends more time worrying about fish than regulating trade.

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    17. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      Well he's also guilty of laying off employees to prop up the pathetic SYMC stock price and then cashing in his stock options for $600,000 a transaction (twice this year).

      JWT is a scumbag. I've lost a lot of faith in Obama.

      Fortunately I left that shithole of a company on my own and went to a far better gig.

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    18. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by Hordeking · · Score: 1

      Is his track record so far.

      What can we now expect?

      Dude, that's a great resume for a government bureaucrat.

      What track record? I didn't see any track record. Maybe a bureaucrat that doesn't do anything is the best kind.

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    19. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      I concur, I've seen corporate editions a lot in third world countries where everyone pirates everything (the corporate editions have no cd key check/activation) and they are much less bloated than the normal ones you buy from the store. But the easiest thing is to just use Avast or AVG or Clamwin or whatever floats your boat.

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    20. Re:Guilty of supplying Parasitic bloatware by Rysc · · Score: 1

      Even the corporate Symantec AV is a bloated, horrid piece of junk compared with e.g. AVG. I've never used the consumer version... if it's worse than the corporate version, I cannot imagine how.

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  2. Oh great- by FredFredrickson · · Score: 5, Funny

    The first thing he'll do is Root the country- for our own protection. We won't be able to do anything once he's in. He'll screw everything up, and won't leave when we ask him to. We'll need to find a special force of people to go in and remove him manually.

    Worst of all, he won't even fix any problems while he's there, and we'll end up calling his competitors to fix the problem later.

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    1. Re:Oh great- by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 5, Funny

      We won't be able to do anything once he's in. He'll screw everything up, and won't leave when we ask him to. We'll need to find a special force of people to go in and remove him manually.

      Actually he might be a blessing in disguise. After 4 years of this guy, the only hope for the USA will be repartitioning the country and then a swift reinstall of the operating system. Looks like the hardcore liberalists will get their wishes after all ;-)

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    2. Re:Oh great- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as one with experience within the big yellow beast -- God help America! >8o

    3. Re:Oh great- by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Funny

      ...and who's to say that he won't be productive while in office! I'm looking forward to his hourly TV and radio address broadcast over all channels:

      John W. Thompson: "Hi, I'm interrupting your regularly scheduled programming to let you know that your commerce is safe."
      average American: "&*%^&$&* how do I turn this damn thing off?!"
      John W. Thompson: "YOUR COMMERCE is SAFE, DAMMIT!"
      average American: "^$%^#$*%%"

    4. Re:Oh great- by lytles · · Score: 1

      hardcore "liberalists" ?

      i wasn't familiar with the term so i googled it, and mw says:

      1: the quality or state of being liberal
      2 (a) often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity (b) a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard (c) a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties (d) capitalized : the principles and policies of a Liberal party

      2c sounds a lot like the american libertarian party. i'm assuming that this is what you meant. if so, why did you use "liberalist" - does it include parties similar to but distinct from the libertarian party ? if not, what did you mean

      fwiw, i agree with portions of the libertarian platform. as for reinstalling the os ... let me think about it :)

    5. Re:Oh great- by AvitarX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Libertarian is a political party.

      liberalism is an ideology.

      The presence of another party that shares views is irrelevent, if you are not a partisan Libertarian, but share liberalist ideas, then you are liberalist, not a Libertarian.

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    6. Re:Oh great- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Libertarian is a political party. liberalism is an ideology.

      I think the confusion arises from the shift of idealogies over time - Libertarians have more in common with conservative small-government views than with "liberal" views. The movement in recent years of (some of) the conservatives in the US (at least) towards stronger centralized government and government enforcement of social views (previous "liberal" positions) can only further the confusion.

      Not to mention "liberalist" vs "liberal". I think confusion is justified.

    7. Re:Oh great- by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't a true libertarian (lowercase "l") eschew the idea of parties?

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    8. Re:Oh great- by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Funny

      I like parties. I like to get drunk and take my pants off. Maybe start a fire or go yell at the dolphins at Sea World.

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    9. Re:Oh great- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a-fucking-men. this is a man who has literally stolen millions from shareholders via sec pre-arranged trading plans set up every quarter. if the quarter was good, the plan got cancelled. if its not the plan got executed. how was it legal? by cancelling the trade, no trade occurred and the sec can't prosecute on insider trading. the evidence is right there in the trade announcements (or lack thereof). can't wait to see what he'll do for america.

    10. Re:Oh great- by Munpe+Q · · Score: 1

      Doesn't seem like people are seeing the thick gooey sarcasm on this one.

    11. Re:Oh great- by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      That he means is a person who is literally liberal, that is what some Americans would call libertarian. The point is anyway that "libertarian" is a stupid invented word that means liberal to people who has forgotten what liberal really means.

    12. Re:Oh great- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG, it's you. You fuck with the dolphins.

      I must tell you, I thought I would never have met someone like you. You have convinced me to not divorce my wife when I realized she was a sea cow.

  3. It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by xzvf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    CEO's are just part of the same thought elite recycling old ideas. Even ones that run technical companies. Stuff like this is only news when real reformers like RMS get cabinet appointments.

    1. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Timothy+Brownawell · · Score: 1

      Stuff like this is only news when real reformers like RMS get cabinet appointments.

      I thought we were supposed to keep religion out of government?

    2. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fortunately in the same link you provided there's the following statement:

      "Warning: taking the Church of Emacs (or any church) too seriously may be hazardous to your health."

    3. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like Richard Stallman. He is the best.

      I think that every president should listen to Richard Stallman.

    4. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by WindowlessView · · Score: 3, Insightful

      CEO's are just part of the same thought elite recycling old ideas

      Worse. Letting Scott McNealy lead an open source initiative is like putting the CEO of United Fruit Company in charge of campesino agrarian reform.

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    5. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2, Funny

      No! It will be the start of The Révolution!

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    6. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha, excellent! But most readers of a thread like this won't get it.

    7. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by 4D6963 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Give me a break, RMS is an ideologist and a zealot. And a hippie. We're talking about government work here.

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    8. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by jo_ham · · Score: 4, Funny

      Isn't it called Gnupocalypse?

    9. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Start now; run with the hurd!

    10. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Call it what you want, but RMS is nuts in more ways that one.

    11. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Funny

      Homer: "Why do you look like Caesar Romero?

      Hallucination: "Because you do not know what Caesar Chavez looks like."

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    12. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by __aagmrb7289 · · Score: 1

      I hope so! After all, who'd want to live long enough to have to deal with the fallout?

    13. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny

      Excuse me, I belive you mean GNU/Apocalyse.

      - RMS

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    14. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Actually, it will be the GNU World Order.

    15. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      I'd rather Linus. He's proven himself to be a competent manager, gets things done, delegates tasks well, and doesn't make a fuss.

      No offense to the guy, but RMS is a dirty hippie, and almost certainly a communist (not that there's anything necessarily wrong with that). Appointing him as Commerce Secretary would be grossly irresponsible.

      It's not like what you're describing hasn't already happened -- Steven Chu, Obama's Secretary of Energy is an extremely accomplished scientist with some serious management credentials. I only wish there were more people like Chu to properly balance ideology with pragmatism.

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    16. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean by "reformers like Root Mean Square"?

    17. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Root mean square for secretary of of statistics!

    18. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by kohaku · · Score: 1

      Better the Gnupocalypse than the gpocalypse (beta). Worse still is the iPocalypse, but at least it'll be something to look at.

    19. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by jdgeorge · · Score: 1

      CEO's are just part of the same thought elite recycling old ideas. Even ones that run technical companies. Stuff like this is only news when real reformers like RMS get cabinet appointments.

      Richard Stallman IS part of the "thought elite". His ideas ARE now old ideas. His ideas have become part of the establishment view.

      The "thought elite" of business founders and CEOs includes people who have used recycled "old ideas" to get a lot of good stuff done, such as Steve Jobs, Warren Buffett, Paul Newman, etc.

      Writing off the entirety of such a diverse group of people as the CEOs of corporations with the nearly meaningless accusation that they are "recycling old ideas" is not only fallacious, but also foolishly dismissive of the value many of them have to contribute.

    20. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by recharged95 · · Score: 1
      RMS is just like Oprah... He'll say something like, "No thanks, I don't have the time to do this cause I got my hand in umpteen other things."

      .

      .

      Celebs only bring to the table... themselves.

    21. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Sentry21 · · Score: 1

      RMS is enough of a revolutionary lunatic that he'd most likely destroy the country. Judging from his ideas, he'd make illegal software patents, as well as commercial software, since 'information wants to be free'.

      RMS's intentions are great, but putting him in a position of power would be as ill-advised as doing the same for Theodore Kaczynski.

    22. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by F.Prefect · · Score: 1

      No, that would be the GNU/Apocalypse.

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    23. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Software · · Score: 1

      Sun open-sourced StarOffice and Solaris, both of which were acquired or developed at a cost of many millions of dollars. How many other companies have done this?

    24. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And before that, XView, and before that. . .

    25. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by i.of.the.storm · · Score: 1

      I was doing my physics homework while reading slashdot, and this cracked me up.

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    26. Re:It'll be news when he asks Stallman to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many other companies have done this?

      How willingly and to what ends they did so can be debated but it is the wrong question.

      The operative point is why a high powered former executive of a powerful producer of largely proprietary hardware and software should be in a position to judge the viability of open source prodcuts for the federal government, one of the most lucrative markets for any vendor? Even if McNealy could be said to be perfectly objective in these matters - and many would question that - what does he bring to the table that any number of less encumbered people with greater open source credentials do not? A big name and campaign contributions, both of which should make people alert.

  4. w00t! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    JWT did an excelent job turning Symantec into a profitable corporation and expanding their protfolio!! This has my vote!!

  5. Symantec tech support model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully John W. Thompson will not use the Symantec tech support model for Commerce. I base some of this negativity on support for what was Veritas. Symantec has dropped the ball on that.

  6. First move will be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...revamping the legislation under the "Yes, we CAN-SPAM" slogan

  7. Other industry associations by gravos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thompson had a career at the IBM Corporation and serves as a director on the corporate boards of UPS and Seagate Technology.

    1. Re:Other industry associations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you just say Seagate? You know, THAT Seagate?

    2. Re:Other industry associations by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thompson had a career at ... Seagate Technology.

      OMFG! Nobody reboot ANYTHING at the Dept. of Commerce!

  8. feature creep by gandhi_2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obama's administration, feature creep, and bloat. Just like Symantic.

    1. Re:feature creep by antdude · · Score: 1

      Symantic? :P

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  9. Any explanation? by nine-times · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't know about John W. Thompson, but my gut response to this was, "Could he look for someone who runs a company that doesn't suck?" Thompson might not be responsible, but *someone* has been running Symantec into the ground for several years now-- at least as far as product quality is concerned.

    As far as technology goes, I'd be much more pleased if I felt like the administration were looking for people with pro-freedom and pro-consumer tendencies.

    1. Re:Any explanation? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Agreed, this guy fails on all counts.

      He profiteered on scare scaremongering.

      He ran a company that turns out crap (doing more harm than good to many computers).

      The software is anti-consumer in it's behavior (e.g. deceptive un-install)

      I bet there was some weird deal though. After the special exception to allow google to track visitors to the website (at a cost of $750,000 it appears), I pretty much assume he is wrapped up in similar (though hopefully not as bad) politics as other Illinois politicians.

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    2. Re:Any explanation? by nine-times · · Score: 1

      allow google to track visitors to the website (at a cost of $750,000 it appears)

      Any additional information on that? I'd read about the Youtube being allowed to store some kind of cookie, but from reading about it, I'd come to the impression that it just that Youtube movies automatically track certain things, and it would have become one of those "how do you omit someone from tracking without keeping track of them to know to omit them?" issues.

      I'm just wondering if there's any more information out on that. It seemed kind of weird to me that the Whitehouse had chosen to use gmail for interim addresses and also chosen to use Youtube for video, but I hadn't heard anyone that was able to tie it together credibly into an actual conspiracy theory.

    3. Re:Any explanation? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Money bundled by Google:
      http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

      The facts as I see them are:
      1) google employees, through the organisation, gave almost 1 million USD to Obama.

      2) days after being sworn in, whitehouse.gov changes policy to allow google to track it's visitors. Because they want to ebmbed videos from only google into their pages.

      The fair solutions (as I see them) would be to either:
      1) allow all embeded media to track, not only your donors

      2) host your own damned media, and don't track.

      3) eliminate the no tracking policy at all.

      The solution that gives me concern was:
      1) specifically allow one of your largest contributors to track viewers to whitehouse.gov

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    4. Re:Any explanation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Agreed, this guy fails on all counts.

      He profiteered on scare scaremongering.

      He ran a company that turns out crap (doing more harm than good to many computers).

      The software is anti-consumer in it's behavior (e.g. deceptive un-install)?

      He's the only available Black CEO from a "high tech" company. I really hope that isn't why.

    5. Re:Any explanation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about John W. Thompson, but my gut response to this was, "Could he look for someone who runs a company that doesn't suck?"

      Do you mean someone like Bill Gates ? We can hate or love him but the truth is Microsoft made lots of money under him.
       

    6. Re:Any explanation? by jdgeorge · · Score: 1

      Oh, awesome... I finally know what the ??? step is!

      The facts as I see them are (according to the source you cite):

      1. Microsoft employees gave more ($791,342) to Obama than did Google employees ($782,964 -- this is almost 1 million USD?).

      2. You believe the Obama administration made an IT decision based on how much money Google's EMPLOYEES gave to his campaign.

      3. Profit!!!

    7. Re:Any explanation? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      If the administration wrote special exceptions into long standing rules for the benefit of MS I would have similar concerns.

      Do you think the most reasonable solution to problems using embedded media is to write a specific exception for one specific vendor?

      And if one were choosing the vendor, is the right choice the one that is most likely to be able to match IP address at the moment to a name?

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    8. Re:Any explanation? by Arterion · · Score: 1

      Symantec Antivirus products are good.

      Norton sucks.

      It's not a horrible company, they just have one bad product: Norton. Unfortunately, many, maybe people have had bad experiences with Norton. Their business software is pretty good.

      I use their business version -- Symantec Endpoint Protection 11 -- at home, and it works pretty well.

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  10. Symmantec out for the count by furby076 · · Score: 1

    Well if this guy gets in, according to Obamas decree this guy will not be allowed to tap them for projects for the gov't. I am sure this will not extend into existing contracts but this could prevent Symmantec from providing any contracts to the white house for 2 years.

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    1. Re:Symmantec out for the count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      this could prevent Symmantec from providing any contracts to the white house for 2 years

      I don't like Symantec either, but if this is Obama's attempt to keep NAV off his white house PC it's a bit extreme.

    2. Re:Symmantec out for the count by ianare · · Score: 1

      he's a mac user anyway ...

    3. Re:Symmantec out for the count by Buelldozer · · Score: 2, Informative
  11. Mixed Blessing? by Cowmonaut · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I suppose he knows the "tech industry" or what have you better than other possible choices. I just have this feeling that having the former CEO of a proprietary software company in charge of looking into the feasibility of going open source might not be as good an idea.

    I mean, the guy is capable but is he willing? Several nations are going nuts with open source now since it puts them in control of their own systems and even fits their philosophical ideas (power to the people, etc) better than going Windows. So we know its possible and seems to be working out okay where it has been done. Why do I have a feeling whomever we do get for Secretary of Commerce is going to say we should stick with Windows for the OS, Symantec for the AV, and MS Office for our primary apps?

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  13. One of the worst proprietary vendors... by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I couldn't help but notice that he picked the CEO of a company that makes the worst, most bloated, least valuable proprietary products I've ever used. Say what you will about the bloat in Microsoft products, but at least the bloat is there because they are trying their damnedest to create a robust platform and maintain compatibility. I've never seen a single benefit to the bloat that Symantec products have, and have often found myself wondering how you would even notice malware and viruses on a system that has their antivirus products on it.

    1. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hey, ghost is a great product. ( ya, i know they bought it a good decade ago, but all the legacy code is long gone by now )

      And their latest acquisition: Altiris is nothing to sneeze at either.

      They are *much* more then antivirus. ( which i agree, sux )

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    2. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't help but notice that he picked the CEO of a company that makes the worst, most bloated, least valuable proprietary products I've ever used.

      So what if the Symantec guy voted for Obama? So did more than 50,000,000 other registered voters!

      (And the other 50,000,000 picked that McAffee guy! Even older, cruftier, and slower!)

    3. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by valnar · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I couldn't help but notice that he picked the CEO of a company that makes the worst, most bloated, least valuable proprietary products I've ever used.

      Democrats/liberals = bloat
      Symantec = bloat

      Sounds about right.

    4. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      His company makes a shitty product and have made a huge profit from it. He should be excellent as Secretary of Commerce. Hell, selling a good product ain't that hard.

    5. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by db32 · · Score: 1, Troll

      maintain compatibility

      AAAHAHAHAHA....Ok...to be fair here... I think Symantec's consumer offerings are total garbage, but I have not had anywhere near the same level of nightmare in dealing with their corporate products. But seriously...saying Microsoft became bloated in an effort to maintain compatability?! That is laughable at best. Hell, half of their 'backwards compatability' issues wouldn't even exist if they weren't constantly trying to make sure their newest software is incompatable with everything else.

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    6. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Firehed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If we're going to make political statements out of software, then is it safe to equate republicans with spyware?

      /sick of party-line bullshit - they both suck

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    7. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Democrats = economic bloat
      Republicans = moral bloat

      Vote third party!

    8. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by nvrrobx · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Having been an engineer at Symantec for 5 1/2 years, I can tell you that what they suffer from is the inability to build new products themselves, or a management team that refuses to try (you choose).

      It's a company of "buy everything you can see, who cares if you can integrate it". Very little in the way of shared components, every product looks and works different, very little interoperability, etc.

      It seemed like we always bought the worst codebases we could find, then tried to fix it. It's not due to a lack of good engineering talent - there is plenty at the company.

      While I think JWT is a nice guy, one only needs to look at the purchase of Veritas to find a completely failed business model, and a CEO who doesn't seem to "get it". Even after that, they continued (and still continue) to snatch up other companies with little regard to how it will really affect shareholders. Nice guys don't make CEOs.

      When John Schwarz left to take the CEO spot at Business Objects and we kept Gary Bloom (CEO, Veritas) - I knew we were in trouble.

    9. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the worst, most bloated, least valuable proprietary products

      You've never used Lotus Notes, have you?

    10. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by The+Angry+Mick · · Score: 1

      While I think JWT is a nice guy, one only needs to look at the purchase of Veritas to find a completely failed business model, and a CEO who doesn't seem to "get it". Even after that, they continued (and still continue) to snatch up other companies with little regard to how it will really affect shareholders.

      I think this is more indicative of a general trend in modern corporate culture that has never really made any sense to me.

      Somewhere along the line corporate success has become less equated with how good your products were, and more with how many competitors you could buy out of existence. Larger is not necessarily always better if the only thing you're trying to do is grow for growth's sake, and abandoning innovation and competition in favor of a policy of expensive buyouts does nothing to improve your reputation with your most important assets: your customers. All a customer can see is a CEO throwing shareholder money at his competitors wallets while doing nothing to improve his business model or product development.

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    11. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by davie · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Democrat and Republican parties are the two sides of a counterfeit coin. Heads? they win, tails? we lose. Their core agenda is unified, and they have perfected the art of keeping half the country fighting the other half to support it. I'm waiting for an ex-Professional wrestler to show up with magic sunglasses (I won't fight it, I'll put them on right away).

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    12. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by operagost · · Score: 1

      I do love how OFO basically stopped working and causes system crashes on Windows 2000 since Symantec bought Veritas. Irony: a product that is supposed to help protect your data puts it at risk through instability.

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    13. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by gladish · · Score: 1

      Wow. I'm glad I'm reading this. I've been going for a year now without anti-virus on my windows pc at home for fear of installing some shit that slows my machine to a crawl. I had no idea symantec sucked this bad. I think I'll stay with my current procedure which is to do microsoft's online check once every week that's free. Probably isn't going to do much, but what the hell, it does seem to find unused items from your registry and remove them.

    14. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Uberbah · · Score: 0, Troll

      The Democrat and Republican parties are the two sides of a counterfeit coin.

      Have any more simplistic platitudes from 2nd grade that you'd like to share with us? Take shelter in your false equivalencies, but they wont change the fact that Republicans get crushed by Democrats on fiscal responsibility, job creation, civil rights and real national defense.

    15. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by davie · · Score: 1

      Thanks for proving my point. The "counterfeit coin" is the false premise that the individual exists to serve the collective. The "parties" only differ in how they want to waste the wealth they steal by force. You support the Democrat party and oppose the Republican party, but in the long run it doesn't matter which party prevails because both of them are pursuing the same immoral agenda and America will continue to decline because of it.

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    16. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Try ghost on a unicode (ie non english) FS - I guarantee you won't like it anymore.

      2 years ago it would FAIL to restore an image (the entire sodding image!) with any file that had a unicode character in its name.

      No clue if they fixed it lately because I binned it all and went with something else.

    17. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Ogive17 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Having been an engineer at Symantec for 5 1/2 years, I can tell you that what they suffer from is the inability to build new products themselves, or a management team that refuses to try (you choose).

      So what you're saying is we're going to have to buy Canada in order to fix health care?

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    18. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      The "counterfeit coin" is the false premise that the individual exists to serve the collective blah blah rhetorical masturbation blah blah blah

      You have the right to your own opinion, but you don't have the right to your own set of facts. And it's a fact that Republicans suck at any policy you care to name. More jobs were created under Clinton than Reagan and both Bushes combined. $10,000 invested under Republican presidents would have grown to a paltry $11,733 ($51,211 if you exclude Herbert Hoover), but over $300,000 under Democratic presidents.

    19. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by davie · · Score: 1

      Thanks again.

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    20. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Have you tested partimage on such a FS? I am not trying to "sell" partimage, I am just curious if it is capable to restore the FS on which Ghost would choke.

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    21. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      It used to work on Japanese installs ( NT4 ), but i do admit that was before Symantec bought them.

      Not had to deal with any non english installs since then.

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    22. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by qnetter · · Score: 1

      The Veritas failure was JWT's alone -- the useless Gary Bloom notwithstanding. Symantec acquired a company with a solid lead in most of its markets and a track record in enterprise sales, then starved all of the oxygen out of it, allowed its products to stagnate, then did an "I told you so" and cut it even further.

    23. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      I'm waiting for an ex-Professional wrestler to show up

      Will Jessy "The Body" Ventura do?

      Falcon

    24. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Your colon would thank you, if you started ignoring reality by sticking your head in sand for a change.

    25. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "My governor can beat up your governor!" (bumper sticker seen on a truck with Minnesota plates)

    26. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, I work for HP and this sounds *EXACTLY* like what's going on here under our Dear Leader.

      Sigh...

    27. Re:One of the worst proprietary vendors... by davie · · Score: 1

      Awesome mixing of metaphors. You should write for SNL.

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  14. Fox watching the henhouse? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    I realize you want experience when you appoint people, but if they still have 'ties' there is a great chance of conflict of interest in moves like this.

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  15. New Governemnt Suffix code? by geekmux · · Score: 1

    Anyone else curious when they're going to start adding "360" to the end of every departmental name or Project?

    DHS is dead. Long live DHS360!

    If you thought NSA was watching you, just wait until the NSA360 upgrade comes out.

    Can't wait for change360.gov website.

    Let's just hope in four years the 360 moniker doesn't ring too true. Turn 360 degrees, and you're pretty much back where you started from.

    1. Re:New Governemnt Suffix code? by Icegryphon · · Score: 0

      Meet the new boss, Same as the old boss.

    2. Re:New Governemnt Suffix code? by operagost · · Score: 1

      The public keeps falling for this. Look at Philadelphia: they voted for a supposed "Maverick" named Michael Nutter (basically the Democrats' John McCain) and expected something different. Nope: the same left-wing Democrat party lines Philadelphia is known for:

      - Anti-gun (two new gun control laws, tried to implement unconstitutional handgun ban)
      - Pro-police state (random police searches on the street)
      - Pro-tax (cancelled promised tax cuts)
      - Destroying civic pride and traditions (implementation of outrageous parade fees that almost cancelled the Mummers parade-- blamed on the minor chaos after the Phillies brought the first championship to the city since 1983)

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  16. lame by nilbog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What has this guy done except lead a company that makes a crappy product that only succeeds because of their volume license deals with computer manufacturers and Microsoft's own ineptness and inability to produce a secure product?

    Symantec produces software that slows down your computer, makes your other software stop working, and makes itself difficult to uninstall. Pretty much the same as a virus.

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    1. Re:lame by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      The symantec corporate AV product is pretty solid. Ghost is pretty solid, but certainly has been badly hurt by Acronis. They own Veritas now which is a solid backup solution.

      Its not all the home market.

    2. Re:lame by operagost · · Score: 1

      Even the corporate AV is terrible now. It removes various commercial remote-control products as "threats" without prompting and performs start-up scans that make most PCs unusable for the first ten minutes-- and attempting to disable the scan does not work.

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    3. Re:lame by Buelldozer · · Score: 1

      I work in the SMB space and am familiar with every product you named.

      SEP is a pile. Even the latest version has mondo performance issues. It's centralized management is terrible and has ridiculous problems. For instance; try and delete the "Default Group" created at install time.

      Ghost is horribly outdated and lacking features that it had 10 years ago. It has been solidly thrashed by Clonezilla. If you haven't tried Clonezilla lately then you have no idea what you're missing and how crappy Ghost is in comparison.

      Veritas is an outdated back up application with a stupid and counter-intuitive GUI and terribly over priced add on modules.

      Every product that Symantec has that I work with suffers from poor product support. Their VAR channel would be hard pressed to suck any worse, as would their license purchase and renewal process.

      Symantec is a screwed up mess of a company. It lacks direction, focus, and commitment.

    4. Re:lame by MightyDrunken · · Score: 1

      Symantec produces software that slows down your computer, makes your other software stop working, and makes itself difficult to uninstall. Pretty much the same as a virus.

      As a long term victim of Symantec software you are absolutely right.
      Though their anti virus software does work, it out competes any malware completely leaving no room for them to run, or anything else.
      Symantec Endpoint Protection sucks, just view the Symantec forums for ample evidence.

  17. Wow by unity100 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    open source initiatives through sun ceo, ex yahoo exec for admn. post, symantec exec for ceo .... totally investing in the upcoming tech age.

    u.s. is going to shake up and lead again after all. just at the time we thought it was going down the drain. amazing.

  18. Norton Antivirus for everyone!.. oh wait... by valnar · · Score: 1

    As if the Democrats don't get enough flack about creating overly large, bureaucratic initiatives, he hires the guy in charge of Norton products! Does that mean the next Republican President will hire the guy from ESET?

    1. Re:Norton Antivirus for everyone!.. oh wait... by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but that guy on the front of the Norton box looks so knowledgeable and trustworthy! I'd trust him with my computer in a second!

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    2. Re:Norton Antivirus for everyone!.. oh wait... by psergiu · · Score: 1

      Yep - please tag article as NortonGovernment

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  19. ha by unity100 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    what did ANY senior post appointee in the administrations of the last 30 years do to get to their post ? APART from being regulars of smoke filled rooms ?

    please wake up. this person, is of our age and times. he doesnt belong to an age in which life was decided in smoke filled rooms on leather armchairs.

    its not what he has done. its that he is of OUR generations, the tech affiliated generations, and he is of our rising internet/tech culture. thats what's important.

    it would be utterly stupid, STUPID to assign a person to such posts, just because they have pulled some ceo stunts in some monolithic dinosaur companies. considering the fact that we are well into the tech age and the only thing we havent started automating&integrating being the way we shit in our wcs, and the fact that how badly the 'executive' understanding of the past 'hey its high finance & executive times !' era screwed up our global economy, doing as such would be even more stupid.

    1. Re:ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get off it with your conspiracy theories already. Government is run just like a business so you hire people with business experience. Its not OMG CORRUPTION because they didnt pick some ideological radical like RMS.

      Please go back to not using capitalization and listening to Rage Against The Machine(TM). Dont forget to stop at HotTopic(TM) and Twitter(TM) your rebellion.

  20. open source by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The appointment of Thompson to head the Department of Commerce would be an exceptionally interesting choice given that only days ago President Obama asked Scott McNealy, a co-founder of Sun Microsystems, to lead his open source charge and conduct a study and report back regarding the feasibility of the US government forgoing proprietary software and moving toward open source software solutions

    The Navy-Marine Corp. Intranet (NMCI) project has been seen as a huge, overpriced failure. It's also due for re-bidding in 2010, I believe, because EDS decided it wasn't a profitable contract.

    I wonder if a general push towards OSS in the federal government will even lead to an eviction of the unholy Exchange servers that are part of the current NMCI.

    1. Re:open source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe, because EDS decided it wasn't a profitable contract.

      EDS, good lord. Can anyone ever remember them finishing a contract on time? Or software that worked?

    2. Re:open source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I don't quite understand the hating on Exchange I see on a daily basis here. What exactly is wrong with it and are there actually any serious alternatives?

      On a side note, my captcha is 'martyr'

    3. Re:open source by ishobo · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is because of incompetence. There is nothing wrong with Exchange in the hands of somebody that knows the product. Alternatives include products such as Sun's Communication Suite and IBM's Lotus Domino.

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    4. Re:open source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is nothing wrong with Exchange in the hands of somebody that knows the product.

      That is utter Bull Shit. Exchange is the WORST mail server ever devised.

  21. Whew!! by erroneus · · Score: 2, Funny

    For a second there, I read "Jack Thompson"

    1. Re:Whew!! by The+Moof · · Score: 1

      Jack Thompson's real name is John Bruce Thompson (for reasons I've never understood, 'Jack' is short for 'John')

    2. Re:Whew!! by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's because "Jack" is a shortened form of the French "Jacques"...

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  22. Huh? by SwashbucklingCowboy · · Score: 2, Informative

    given that only days ago President Obama asked Scott McNealy, a co-founder of Sun Microsystems, to lead his open source charge and conduct a study and report back regarding the feasibility of the US government forgoing proprietary software and moving toward open source software solutions.

    It certainly wasn't Obama, but SOMEONE in the administration that asked McNealy to write a paper on open source in government. That is not the same as leading a "charge."

    Interestingly, Symantec reports earnings today. Gotta believe at least one of the analysts will ask about the reports (and be given a long winded "no comment."

    1. Re:Huh? by troll8901 · · Score: 1

      It certainly wasn't Obama, but SOMEONE in the administration that asked McNealy to write a paper on open source in government.

      I wonder what will happen if the Obama administration asked Jim Whitehurst (CEO of Red Hat) to write the paper on open source, instead.

      I'm still trying to figure out what I do wrong; I can't seem to install v7 of Fedora.

  23. Symantec the new Haliburton by NFN_NLN · · Score: 1

    Should I be buying stock in Symantec now? Is this going to be like Haliburton with tons of money being thrown at it via government?

    1. Re:Symantec the new Haliburton by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, JWT has all but run Symantec into the ground at this point. He's destroyed morale among most development teams by demanding across the board layoffs regardless of relative performance.

      Finally the board got a clue and he's being forced to retire in April. Not nearly soon enough. Glad I don't work for that asshole anymore.

      He's a great public speaker, but he's a self-serving snake. Lay off 5%, and cash in the stock options a couple weeks later.

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  24. Who you talking about? by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    Obama or the guy he is appointing?

    I just want to know the obvious creeps are getting a free pass from the Republicans and the press. The problem with a "Cult of Personality" President is that the usual concerns don't question or challenge him. That is the real danger and a good number of his appointments demonstrate that clearly.

    All in all we end up with the realization that after the election the dream world ceases to exist.

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    1. Re:Who you talking about? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Obama or the guy he is appointing?

      When has Obama run a software company?

      The problem with a "Cult of Personality" President is that the usual concerns don't question or challenge him.

      As is usually the case, take the opposite of the wingnut viewpoint and you have reality.

  25. They should hire Peter Norton by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now there was a geek's geek.

  26. Makes sense. by mindwanderer · · Score: 1

    If I could sell bleach as a mouthwash, I'd want me on my staff too.

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  27. The country will be on hold for a long time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So does this mean when we call his office we'll get a call center in India, with reps who will read a script over and over in response to our questions? Of course the script won't quite answer the question, and when we get frustrated, we don't get to uninstall him since he's a non elected official. Can't wait.

  28. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 0, Flamebait

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  29. Has anyone actually seen him by lyz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Most of the comments here are quite negative towards Mr. Thompson. He is actually a very impressive person. I suggest people who have decided to base their judgment of him on the company he ran watch the episode of CEO Exchange with him in it. http://www.pbs.org/wttw/ceoexchange/episodes/ceo_jthompson.html

    1. Re:Has anyone actually seen him by tniermann · · Score: 2, Interesting

      He is a great choice. He was on the advisory committee of a previous company of mine. He was always insightful, and he has a magnetic personality. He is someone who is impressive in both small private sessions as well as the big forums. At the end of the day he is a sales person through and through. Having someone in Commerce who can facilitate big deals and trade structures with class will be very good for the country.

    2. Re:Has anyone actually seen him by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      It really doesn't matter what someone says in life - its the results of what he/she does that makes a difference.

      Ceo exchange had Carla Fiona on there once - she came across as quite pleasant, and not the CEO that destroyed the HP way and fired so many American workers building and developing HP products and then campaigning for McCain on a platform of "we need to create more jobs in America" (something she said with a straight face).

      Symantec is no better - they outsource and ship more work off to India/China than most companies.

    3. Re:Has anyone actually seen him by antdude · · Score: 1

      JT is a great speaker too. I have seen him in person a few times already. I was sad him to see him resigning this year. :(

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    4. Re:Has anyone actually seen him by madman101 · · Score: 1

      This is Slashdot. No one cares about facts...

    5. Re:Has anyone actually seen him by bit01 · · Score: 1

      This is Slashdot. No one cares about facts...

      The fact is that Symantec software is crap and he was in part responsible for that crap.

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  30. Of course... by zullnero · · Score: 2, Funny

    You all could be thankful that it isn't someone who believes the Internet is a set of tubes, which you cannot dump large objects on, as you could the bed of a flatbed truck.

  31. New Policy by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Going forward, taxes will now be referred to as a Yearly Government Subscription Fee.

    1. Re:New Policy by Ares · · Score: 0

      great! where do i sign up to cancel my subscription?

    2. Re:New Policy by jdgeorge · · Score: 1

      great! where do i sign up to cancel my subscription?

      At the border, dude. I understand Canada is a fairly popular option.

  32. SYMANTEC??? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    The people who ruined the Norton Utilities?

    Why in the world would he want a corporate exec from a corporation that does even know how to improve its own products?

  33. McNealy by jvillain · · Score: 1

    I think what we have learned here is that McNealy can't write a convincing letter.

  34. Where else has Symantec been in the news lately? by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 1

    Oh I remember... Symantec and Sun are both on the list of "Tech Giants that Might Not Survive 2009." http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=910

    I wish the new president would bring successful executives into government, not losers.

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  35. Didn't the SEC find a lot of wrong doing by geekoid · · Score: 1

    at symantic?

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  36. Re:Where else has Symantec been in the news lately by nine-times · · Score: 1

    Well, that survey was hardly conclusive, but I suppose it might be a symptom of the old, "only losers go into government" theory.

    I've never seen it explicitly stated anywhere that I can remember, but I've heard people complain on countless occasions that the best and brightest simply don't go into government. If you're making millions and millions of dollars running a successful company, are you going to quit to make a salary that's chicken feed (relatively) working for the government?

    I don't know how true that really is, though. It seems like there are some people who are very interested in public service, and are willing to sacrifice a little income.

  37. Why is "crime" a keyword here? by Benfea · · Score: 1

    Is that a reference to the way Symantec products tend to gobble up system resources? Or is mister Thompson in some sort of legal trouble? I don't get it.

  38. make believe need by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1

    Fantastic idea. I can't imagine someone better at creating an artificial need and demand for products than the ex-CEO of Symantec.

    "Oh Noes! The current products suck! You might all die!

    But fortunately, do I have the solution for you. In low low payments of $800B/Qtr, all of your problems will be solved..."

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  39. oh so right... but oh its so wrong by konigstein · · Score: 1

    I just want to say that as someone who had worked on an NMCI team at the washington navy yard, you could not be more right. I never saw an enviroment anywhere else where the techs that were supposed to be running the network and FIXING it when it was down or broken (always) could huddle in their little room across from the server room and sit back and laugh and chill for hours on end until someone came to check up on them. Then it was a quick hush, and everyone getting up from their seats and walking across the hall to the server room to look busy. And without consequence! And this went on for the year that I worked there, probably has gone on for years, and I have no doubt will continue until the contract is rebid. Worse for me, I can't even put that year of work experience on my resume without techs looking at each other and laughing knowingly when they see that I worked on the NMCI network, and then showing me the door. DON'T GET SUCKERED INTO AN NMCI CONTRACT POSITION! it could be the end of your IT career.

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  40. Obama's top posts by Jarrod+Q · · Score: 1

    Sen. Judd Gregg has bee a good government official for a long time. And itâ(TM)s reportedly that Obama is looking at Republican Senator Judd Gregg to head the Department of Commerce. The fiscal conservative has confirmed that he is being looked at to be Commerce Secretary, but doesn't have too much else to say about it. Obama has hit the ground running, and he's getting in his picks for top posts. He is committed to bipartisanship, like an online payday loan is committed to convenience.