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Red Dwarf To Return, Find Earth
Lawrence Person writes "Everyone's favorite live-action science fiction comedy series will finally return to TV, with Lister, Rimmer, Kryten and the Cat all making it to Earth. The new two-part series Red Dwarf: Back to Earth will appear on digital channel Dave, will be written and directed by Red Dwarf co-creator Doug Naylor, and will reunite the line-up. 'It will sit alongside two further new episodes — the improvised Red Dwarf: Unplugged, which will feature the cast dealing with no sets, effects or autocue, and Red Dwarf: the Making of Back to Earth, a behind the scenes look at the new production.' Personally, I think this is pretty smegging fantastic."
Season 7 and 8 levels of crap.
Usually these sort of "and then they came to earth..." plotlines are cost-cutting measures (so they can shoot in "regular" locations instead of on elaborate sets). They also often represent "jump the shark" moments for a series. When they did this on Lexx, the show (which had already begun to go way downhill in the previous season) went from bad to ABYSMAL.
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This series aged badly. Watched a few episodes last year and found them deeply unfunny.
It's a britcom so of course it'll be a bit campy, a bit odd, and not for everyone.
What really impressed me was how the Grant and Naylor team wrote the novels as well as the shows. The audiobooks based on the novels were also voice-acted by the original cast.
Humor is a difficult thing and prose and teleplays are two completely different environments to work in. There's so much to written humor that can simply never be translated to the screen, the classic example from the Hitchhiker's Guide -- "The huge golden space ship hung in the air in almost exactly the way a brick doesn't." How do you convey that visually? You can't, not well. And likewise there's more than just sight gags that simply cannot be done in prose. The easiest example to bring up is the Heath Ledger Joker. So much of that performance wasn't just what he said but how he said it, the mannerisms and expressions. It was both comedic and horrifying.
What I find impressive is when you have a writer or writers who can take a story and tell it in such diverse media and do it well. Adams was involved in all the HHGTTG variants and, as I said, Grant and Naylor did both the show and the books.
Anyway, looking forward to these new episodes! Between this and the final movie wrapping up Dead Like Me, looks like we're in for some good telly this year!
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Personally, I think this is pretty smegging fantastic.
Why is resurrecting Red Dwarf fantastic but resurrecting Blade Runner an abomination?
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It's a britcom so of course it'll be a bit campy, a bit odd, and not for everyone.
But you can't just lump all british comedies together that way. Some of them are just incredible works of comic art. Monty Python, Black Adder, the original HHGG, Fry & Laurie, The Office, and Spaced come to mind. And then there are british comedies that to my mind at least, have no redeeming value whatever. For example, Absolutely Fabulous, and Are You Being Served?. Red Dwarf to me, lies somewhere in the middle.
I'm not sure what it is that I don't like about some Britcoms, but it's not their Britishness. If that were the case, I wouldn't like any at all.
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I don't recall the Earth being destroyed. Lister was in stasis for a long, long time as the ship drifted further and further away, but IIRC, Earth was still there - just unreachable in any reasonable length of time (kind of like Dark Star). (Feel free to correct my bad memory.)
But, there was at least one episode where the crew does go back in time to visit Earth. I liked it just because it was so terribly un-P.C. to suggest that JFK needed to be assassinated in order to save the U.S. (Not unrealistic, just not P.C.)
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...well, actually, Robert Llewellyn (Kryten) announced it on Llewtube quite some time ago.
You can also get regular updates from him by following @bobbyllew on twitter.
He's a really good user of social media - he's very active on YouTube and twitter.
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Try asking the average American to tell you what a "bog roll" is and watch the steam come out of their ears thinking about it.
They also often represent "jump the shark" moments for a series.
Did you ever watch the show? They jumped the shark at least once an episode. That's part of what made it so great.
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Although in the case of HGTTG, I think the radio show out-shines the movie
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That said, I have to agree with GPP - It aged badly. When I go back to watch the episodes over, it's rare that I watch anything beyond the ship being reconstructed. It was still fun, but lacked a lot of the charm that the early episodes had.
Not a matter of aging imho. Something weird happened after season 6. I still deeply love seasons 1-6.
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Come on, the Mirror made it a serious drugs problem to sell papers - more than likely he was no more or less off his head than any other TV actor
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The Gestalt entity Grant Naylor fissioned, both Rob Grant and Doug Naylor, came out with crappy books, and, in spite of (or because of) the contributions of Robert Llewellyn the series went from amazing to crap.
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I find the biggest difference is that Britcoms are normally about losers. Compare with the US, say 'Friends'. The main characters are very successful; they have lovely flats near Central Park. I find it hard to have empathy with them. Whenever they have a 'problem' I wish they'd just shut up and catch themselves on. They seem like whiney, spoilt, brats.
Lister, on the other hand, is a slob who lives in an interstellar slum. Yet he always seems pretty chirpy about it. You should check out the US version of Red Dwarf, where some moron at the networks replaced Lister with a super-jock. None of the jokes made sense afterwards.
Of course, there are good US comedies (normally the cartoons) and there are *loads* of really, really bad Britcoms.
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This is summed up by the never made Red Dwarf USA .... ...Rewritten by Grant and Naylor .. and a team of American writers and producers ...Lister is heroic, and handsome (but still a slob)
Most British comedies are still written by a very small team (usually 2 or 3) people rather than the joke committee system they have in the states, it is noticeable that the US comedy shows that work in the UK are the ones with the smaller teams of writers ....
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Comparing Red Dwarf to Monty Python, HHGG or The Office is an insult to Red Dwarf. The Office is best watched on a weekday evening after a hard day of work. Monty Python is great entertainment with friends on a Saturday afternoon. Red Dwarf is something entirely different.
Like many Americans I first encountered Red Dwarf on PBS late Saturday evenings. After seeing one episode (Demons & Angels) I was hooked. I was thrilled when Season 1 released on DVD and I watched it through that Saturday afternoon. However, it didn't seem to hold up over the years. I was watching a mediocre British comedy, and quite confused.
Eventually I realized that Red Dwarf needs to be enjoyed late at night. Like ATHF, it's bizarrely hysterical but only when in a certain mood. Red Dwarf is not meant to be analyzed for plot holes or comedic merit. It's meant to be watched in a dark room, late at night, and alone. Only then does it become a spectacle of incomprehensible British slang, something far greater than it was meant to be.
Red Dwarf is the only TV series I've purchased on DVD. I've seen the episodes so many times that I remember the audience's laughter. It's no exaggeration to say that it's the best show I've ever seen. But, I can understand that many consider it a mediocre sci-fi comedy. It needs to come with a warning label, "Only watch after 10:00 PM".
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I think it's funny how you mentioned "Friends" and the US version of "Red Dwarf" in the same post. That "super jock" you mentioned was actually offered the roll of Joey on friends, but he turned it down and took the gig as Lister instead because he didn't think friends had any chance of success...
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