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More Websites Offending Thai Monarchy Blocked

An anonymous reader writes "Thailand is ramping up their media wide censorship of anything that remotely offends Thai royalty. In the last three weeks, another 2,300 websites have been blocked. Another ~4,000 are soon expected. And not just websites, but books as well as the Economist have been blocked. And anyone caught publishing such material, including foreigners, will get 3 to 15 years in a Thai prison. You don't want to be in a Thai prison!"

220 comments

  1. Awesome! by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Funny

    Finally, we'll get the answer to that burning question: how many pages are there on the Internet?

    The King of Thailand will be honored for finding out before anyone else.

    1. Re:Awesome! by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      [qoute=TFA]But he is just one of a growing number of people being investigated and charged under Thailand's draconian "lese-majeste" law, as the police and army try to suppress what they fear is a rising tide of anti-monarchy sentiment.[/qoute] Rising tide? I think the wave is about to crest...

    2. Re:Awesome! by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, yeah... Dyslexics of the world, UNTIE!

    3. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on! "King" of something? Didn't Howard Stern ass fuck that so hard that no one would EVER want the title applied to them? Shit, "Best Ballerina on Bora Bora" would be a higher rank.

    4. Re:Awesome! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Funny
      The King of Thailand will be honored for finding out before anyone else.

      Well, he won't be reading Slashdot, 'cos he's an arsehole.

      And now neither will anyone else from Thailand...

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    5. Re:Awesome! by UltraAyla · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, he won't be reading Slashdot, 'cos he's an arsehole.

      Since when has that ever prevented anyone from reading slashdot?

    6. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, he won't be reading Slashdot, 'cos he's an arsehole.

      Since when has that ever prevented anyone from reading slashdot?

      *whoosh!*

    7. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, he won't be reading Slashdot, 'cos he's an arsehole.

      Since when has that ever prevented anyone from reading slashdot?

      *whoosh!*

      *whoosh!*

    8. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really know nothing about Thailand.
      (And I'm a thai reading your comment)

      I'd like to say that our gov. is overacting.

      The king said himself few years ago in his birthday speech that he allowed anyone to "speak freely" about him.
      He's a very kind person.

    9. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the problem is the fact that the government has all the power and he's just a figurehead used to blame edicts on that are generated and enacted by those truly in power who'd rather remain anonymous?

    10. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, he won't be reading Slashdot, 'cos he's an arsehole.

      Since when has that ever prevented anyone from reading slashdot?

      *whoosh!*

      *whoosh!*

      *ULTRA-whoosh!*

    11. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought that was funny...

    12. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, he won't be reading Slashdot, 'cos he's an arsehole.

      Since when has that ever prevented anyone from reading slashdot?

      *whoosh!*

      *whoosh!*

      CCCCCCOMBOBREAKER

      *ULTRA-whoosh!*

    13. Re:Awesome! by wish+bot · · Score: 1

      The king's displeasure with the previous prime minister lead to a coup. His displeasure seemed to be quite valid give the corruption at the time.

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    14. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whoosh

    15. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      King Bumibol is NOT an arsehole. I will not go into detail on this, because I found out that it is very difficult to point out to people who haven't experienced that "Thai King Thing" that this is actually a king who tries to care for his people. Without taking himself too seriously... (some say that he is himself not entirely innocent when it comes to offending Thai royalty, criticizing the crown prince for example).
      The fact that his reign survived a series of coups might show that even within the country he has a significant moral impact (very little political power though...).
      As far as I know, he is an intelligent man (yes, also an engineering degree, so he might read /. after all... ) who likes to joke from time to time, even about his own position as a half-god.

      The problem with this royalty offences thing is that other people in Thailand are using these laws to restrict information, as threads below point out.

    16. Re:Awesome! by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Plus:

      > "You don't want to be in a Thai prison!"

      "Hey, what are you...HEY! Get away! You aren't a sweet little ladyboy!"

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    17. Re:Awesome! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, I didn't even notice the arrangement of letters in the last word until another look.

  2. Captain Oveur by XanC · · Score: 5, Funny

    Joey, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?

    1. Re:Captain Oveur by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Try a Russian prison. East Russia. The ones that "were" Gulags.

      It's like KZs never stopped existing.

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    2. Re:Captain Oveur by qualidafial · · Score: 1

      Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?

    3. Re:Captain Oveur by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Joey, have you ever seen a grown man naked?

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    4. Re:Captain Oveur by esocid · · Score: 1

      ahhh, Midnight Cowboy. Just watched that recently. Not sure Thai prisons would be much better.

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    5. Re:Captain Oveur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You ever seen a grown man naked?

  3. Are we banned yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Slashdot isn't already banned, it will be soon...

    1. Re:Are we banned yet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time there's an article about Thailand banning anti-royal websites, there will be comments like yours.

      Hopefully it won't be banned.

  4. Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    CNN has censored itself on reporting on Thailand so as to not offend the government: http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/01/19/thai.jail/index.html . This is the real problem with censorship in the internet age: It is very easy to say that the internet treats censorship as damage and routes around it. But in practice in many cases the ease of access leads to more censorship rather than less. This means that it is all the more important that we resist censorship in all its forms.

    1. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by DeadPixels · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I wonder is why no one seems too concerned with the fact that the media is self-censoring. If CNN had refused to report on Iraq or any other such nation, they would be harshly criticized. It seems that the fact that there isn't a negative public opinion of Thailand has led to this being an overlooked occurrence - but a potentially very dangerous one.

    2. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by G-Man · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, they did the same thing in Iraq under Saddam Hussein..

    3. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Dionysus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If CNN had refused to report on Iraq or any other such nation, they would be harshly criticized.

      Maybe because American don't find "proper" reporting on Iraq offensive. OTOH, CNN (and American media) don't show flag draped coffins of Americans being flown home, or American soldiers suffering on the battlefield. Few people are criticized for that, and those are considered "anti-American" for mentioning it.

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    4. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by spasm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      CNN != the internet.

      This is one of the main reasons I find `traditional' news media less and less relevant: a) they won't cover something discovered by another news agency unless that discovery creates additional news (eg an expose produces a resignation), which limits the propagation of often genuinely interesting news; and b) they self-censor in order to retain `access'. Neither of these are true about news via pure internet: a) internet news is all about repeating stuff someone else found first; and b) discussing the fact that the King of Thailand is raping ladyboys on a regular basis (or whatever) gives you your 15 minutes of fame on the intertubes, and since you never had `access' in the first place, this is gold gold gold.

      Re (b), I expect that as politicians increasingly treat bloggers and other pure internet news sources as regular journalists, we'll being to see more self-censorship on the web. Alas.

    5. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It sucks; but this story falls, hard, into the "quaint foreigners and their quaint customs" story frame. I'd be very surprised to see much media fuss about it.

      1. Thailand counts as "exotic" for western media. This isn't a local interest story.
      2. Thailand is neither friend nor foe in any emotionally significant way. This isn't an "our brave allies" or "our vile enemies" story.
      3. The subject of the story is monarchy, which gives it a sort of storybook air. Compare to, say, Chinese sensorship, which feels more modern, and gets a lot more coverage.

    6. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by iminplaya · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But with the internet we can route around CNN.

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    7. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Bieeanda · · Score: 1

      I think there's a qualitative difference between 'we don't want to offend the government' and 'we don't want to risk our correspondents being tossed in a Thai prison'. The former might make it hard to get through customs, or not get ticketed on a variety of technicalities. The latter might make it hard to do much of anything. The article you've linked makes it clear that someone in the Thai government has a long memory and a vindictive streak.

    8. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Spasemunki · · Score: 5, Insightful

      a) internet news is all about repeating stuff someone else found first;

      This is exactly why the internet journalism is still a long way away from being able to fill the role of the traditional media. Real journalism has nothing to do with link farming or writing editorials about issues that have already been reported. Very little breaking of actual news- the work of establishing what the facts on the ground are when an event is underway, or following leads over a long period to discover a story- is done by internet media. What do you repeat when there's no one to repeat?

    9. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by timmarhy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thailand has oil - quickly over throw the vile tyranny!

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    10. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, they did the same thing in Iraq under Saddam Hussein..

      I remember reading that when it came out. Maybe some of the NYT's columnists and reporters should read it. They might learn something.

    11. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hate to tell you, but bush is out of office now.

    12. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by mellon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Does anybody still take CNN seriously as a news source?

    13. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by dougisfunny · · Score: 1

      Well they have to have some resource we 'need'... even if it isn't the internets.

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    14. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Thai pussy!

    15. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by kheldan · · Score: 1

      The CNN story you linked to seems to imply that the King himself isn't so much the problem, as is the PM and the law as it stands.

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    16. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by BarlowBrad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But there still has to be someone that finds it first and reports it. This cannot come from traditional media sites if they self-censor, but instead must come from true internet journalists.

    17. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Atario · · Score: 2, Informative

      I hate to break it to you, but the traditional media is also filled to the brim with repetitions of news written by others.

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    18. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by houghi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why would you watch CNN if you have Fox?

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    19. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by houghi · · Score: 1

      Have you ever looked how the traditional media get their news? They buy it. They just tell you what was fed to them through whatever source they get it from. If you read some newspapers online, you see that many messages are almost identical from one mewsitem to the other. With larger news items they will rewrite more. It becomes obvious with the smaller items. Almost identical word by word.

      And not only in one country, this can be noticed cross border and cross language.

      Sure, "real" journalism would not do that, but there is very little happening in that area. Most likely a traditional media had one own item and the rest is copied. The difference is that the traditional media adds comments (if that) and the internet, well, does basically the same.

      Traditional media are not in it for the sake of news. They are in it for the sake of money. Journalism is expensive. Reselling stories is cheap.

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    20. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Let it be said first that I don't agree with censorship - people in the public spotlight should develop thicker skin, IMO. But it is not all that important what I, or any of us think - the people of Thailand are very fond of their king and almost fully support the strictness of this legislation. And to be quite honest, I can't see that anybody loses much by not insulting the king Thailand; no-one says this means that you have to not express important political or religious viewpoints. Even if one might have a critical view about something or someone, it is generally possible to express that in a non-insulting way.

      It is a fact of life that everywhere in the world there are some aspect of local culture that require us to refrain from doing or saying certain things that we think of as "obviously no problem at all". When we come in contact with other cultures, I think it is up to us to develop a bit of cultural sensitivity and make ourselves aware of what is acceptable to others. I know, there is a balance between "freedom of speech" and being diplomatic, but it isn't all that difficult, and I suspect too often "freedom of speech" is simply used as a cheap excuse for being too lazy to even try being a little bit sociable.

      Freedom of speech is important - far too important to be used on trivial matters.

    21. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope - really hope - that you're going for a 'funny' and not 'insightful'!

    22. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shush! That article breaks the current feelings that Iraq wasn't so bad under Saddam and they were probably better off then than now.

      Stupid Americans.

    23. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. And I don't get that reaction on the part of the media. It's weird that in all this time I've never seen a flag-draped coffin arriving in the U.S. in the news. That policy isn't as respectful as it might seem, because the preferences of the families are probably quite mixed.

      Here in Canada there was a huge outrage when it was decided by the government that the media would not be permitted to attend and record the arrival of our deceased soldiers from Afghanistan. The issue came to a head when some of the families wanted the media there -- ostensibly so that others across the country could share in the grieving. Eventually the government realized it was a mistake to force the issue one way or the other against the wishes of the relevant family, and now it is entirely their choice whether the media is there or not. That's a much better and more respectful arrangement than having the government forcing the issue. Thanks to the debate it's far better than what we had before.

      This kind of debate is the way democracy is supposed to work, and the media is part of the equation. Shutting them out discourages proper democratic debate over the issues. Apparently the Thai government doesn't get this, and wants to roll things back to the 19th century. It's idiotic lese-majeste law is a symptom of a more serious problem than respecting the monarchy. If the Thai king wished to put Thailand on the road to a modern democracy he could push to abolish the law.

      You have to ask why a monarch who is such a great guy needs the law to protect him from insults anyway. If I want to call Queen Liz an old hag, I can. That's freedom. The Thai monarch can't take it like Liz can?

    24. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Spasemunki · · Score: 1

      The question is: where are these 'true internet journalists'. 99% of the blog postings on current events or politics that I see are just summarizing or editorializing on events reported by someone else. There are stories that certainly could be broken by internet writers if they were willing to do what paid journalists for the old media do- either sit down and do a lot of research, or pick up the phone and call people who are involved in the issue in question and get information. But that doesn't really happen. Either people are commenting on the work of others and drawing attention to it, or they are affiliated with some organization that differs from the 'old media' only in that it publishes online instead of on paper.

    25. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Spasemunki · · Score: 1

      The real problem is not that people can't write 'screw the king' on their cars. It's that the lese majesty laws inhibit open discussion of the role of the monarchy in Thai politics (hint: the government would prefer you to think there isn't one), and shields groups that are close to the monarchy from criticism. The law doesn't just say that you can't insult the king; it says that you can't criticize not only the king, but anyone in the royal family. A Western author was arrested for repeating what is a commonly known fact among Thais and people who follow Thai politics: that the Crown Prince is unpopular, and widely felt to relate poorly to regular people. That's a violation of the law. To say or imply that the the Thai monarchy has ever taken any actions that are contrary to the interest of Thai people or their government is a violation of the law. Furthermore, the law is not primarily used to punish foreigners who slip up in handling Thai money; while a few extreme occurrences do get punished, by and large the law is used instead to suppress political dialogue. This suppression generally benefits right wing, authoritarian and pro-military groups at the expense of more liberal and pro-democratic groups.

    26. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by liegeofmelkor · · Score: 1

      I've always been skeptical about how I've heard that the Thai people are very fond of their king. How do you confirm a statement like this when anyone saying they aren't fond of the king could be jailed? True, they probably won't be jailed, but there's a risk, and that's going to bias results.

      I don't have a statistically significant number of Thai friends (and those I know are Americans of Thai heritage (2nd gen., mostly)), but anyone I talked to when the YouTube foot+king video broke didn't really care one way or another about the insult to the king. However, if my friends were in Thailand and someone asked, I'm damn sure what their responses would be.

      In short, I don't know any way verify whether the people of Thailand are fond of their king... and as unreliable info (more or less by definition of circumstances), I exclude it from consideration.

    27. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No, the cult of the Thai monarchy is an entirely modern affair that dates back to CIA attempts to reinforce the monarchy during the Vietnam war. There is no longstanding cultural tradition, it is a fiction entirely maintained by suppressive laws that westerners and in particular western media don't think to question.

      The Thai monarchy has frequently intervened in politics and rather more often on the side of military dictatorships than the western hagiographies allow.

      The Russians would have appeared to be equally reverential to Stalin during the 1930s. But that does not mean that they loved him or would have loved him if they knew what he was really.

      CNN has gone downhill since the Ted Turner days. But even then you could tell if US/Russia relations were friendly or not by whether the 'This is CNN' newsreel included shots of the parliament being bombed by Yeltsin or not. They totally gave the Bush administration a pass for eight years while they were trying to be mini Faux news and now there is a Democrat they want to try some journalism again.

    28. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      Not really it's all the douchebags around the government. The main one being the minster of IT who is the one banning the websites.

      He's an old robotics engineer, that some how makes him qualified to be minister of IT..

      I'd also like to point out that Jonathan Head, the bbc correspondent is a self proclaimed enemy of the monarchy and has got himself into hot water before. That wouldn't particularly matter that much however he's a very corrupt man and his news reports leave out facts which make them extremely bias. He is also known for hosting meetings with corrupt officials that were kicked out of the government for corruption.

      His being part of the BBC has really made me realise how actually the news we get is only as good as the man reporting it.

      In short you shouldn't read anything on Thailand from the BBC because it's stained with this guys bias.

    29. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      The last thing Thailand needs is more discussion on politics.

      What Thailand needs is to shut up while a government actually gets to run it's full term without a coup happening every year.

      We've been through, what.. 3 Prime ministers in less then 2 years.

    30. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by spartacus_prime · · Score: 0

      Why would you watch cable news when you have /.?

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    31. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > In short, I don't know any way verify whether the people of Thailand are fond of their
      > king...

      and thus the purpose of the law is served.

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    32. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      And to be quite honest, I can't see that anybody loses much by not insulting the king Thailand

      That's not the problem. The problem is that some minor bureaucrat gets to decide what is insulting or not, and the definition is fuzzy at best.

    33. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by edward2020 · · Score: 1

      /. is probably the best source of news on all the internets. From the delightfully polite GNA, to the depths of hidden goatse links, all the way up that taco guy's arse - coming to /. both enlightens and variously disgusts, enrages, and sickens. If only it had a seemingly sexy woman (with a stretched out stork neck and huge fucking hair) talkin' the news, this citizen wouldn't have to plumb the tubes quite so much.

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    34. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      The real issue is tha CNN is protecting its staff from getting arrested the second any of them touchdown on thai soil. I dont see why CNN should put its people at risk from a dictator, which is what a king really is. Why should CNN or the west be the ones who stand up to the king? Thai men should be taking arms against the monarchy. Until that happens, its decrees from the throne as usual. You cant force people into the 21st century (well, 18th century really). They must want it themselves first.

    35. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

      but they aren't Muslims, so it's just not the same fun.

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    36. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN...They totally gave the Bush administration a pass for eight years while they were trying to be mini Faux news and now there is a Democrat they want to try some journalism again.

      This is insane. CNN lead the "Elect Barack Obama" campaign, or to be more precise, the "Elect Any Democrat" campaign over the past two years. And you think they'll want to try journalism "again" when the man they used the entire resources of their company to elect screws up? Pah..

    37. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by meringuoid · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You have to ask why a monarch who is such a great guy needs the law to protect him from insults anyway. If I want to call Queen Liz an old hag, I can. That's freedom. The Thai monarch can't take it like Liz can?

      It doesn't appear to be the king's doing. The king of Thailand is enormously popular, and prosecutions under these laws are well supported by the public. I gather that the king usually pardons offenders, and seems to think the whole thing rather silly.

      As for insulting Queen Elizabeth - she is also extremely popular, but not to the same extent. You'd still be safer insulting her children, whose private lives have become a national joke over the last couple of decades. And when you do so, be careful around the UK's notoriously plaintiff-friendly libel laws.

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    38. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by gd23ka · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding me? "Real journalism" is rip and read whatever AP or Reuters puts out.

      "a) internet news is all about repeating stuff someone else found first;"

      All Newspapers and TV stations simply repeat / cut up and rebroadcast / copy verbatim what they get from a handful of agencies. It is only the local segment where some 'real journalism' takes place, and that is subject to censorship as well, can't really jeopardize the ad revenue can we.

      Like Jefferson said, the man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

      On the other hand on the internet 'real journalism' does take place, hand in hand with original research and uncut interviews. Here's an example for you: http://www.infowars.com/ and http://www.prisonplanet.tv./ Yeah I'm plugging those sites here, but they are a _prime_ example of uncensored reporting and commentary you would never get on the broadcast airwaves in a billion bailouts.

    39. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by Daengbo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right, except for the southern half of the country.

    40. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by mahadiga · · Score: 1
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    41. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > If CNN had refused to report on Iraq or any other such nation, they would be harshly criticized.

      From a western news agency's perspective, stuff that happens in the middle east is often front-page news, because the middle east has been politically important for at least three millennia. Almost half the wars in the history of Europe involved the middle east to a greater or lesser extent, and the US also has major interests in the region...

      Stuff that happens in Thailand more likely belongs on page six of the international section anyhow, so leaving it out doesn't upset very many readers very badly. There are exceptions (e.g., when resorts frequented by rich western tourists got hit by a tsunami), but on the whole, Thailand isn't newsworthy over here. Quite frankly, they could have a violent bloody civil war lasting a decade and costing the lives of over 30% of the population, and most of the western world wouldn't notice. (Lest you think I'm exaggerating, Cambodia *did* have approximately that, right next-door to Thailand, fairly recently, and most of the western world *didn't* notice.)

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    42. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Thailand has oil

      Venezuela has more. So what?

      (The people who think we invaded Iraq to get its oil are delusional. The US, as the largest market *and* one of the largest producers, has more influence over the commodity price of crude petroleum than Iraq and Iran combined. The only individual country with more influence on oil prices than the USA is Saudi Arabia.)

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    43. Re:Thailand's censorship directly impacts our news by jonadab · · Score: 1

      > Compare to, say, Chinese censorship

      China is politically significant, worldwide. They have a large population. They control a lot of land. They have a history of being a significant factor in major world conflicts (e.g., both World Wars). They have a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, and the veto power that implies. Spock famously mentions China in STVI:TUU. Most Americans have had cuisine that they believe is Chinese in origin. We study China in elementary school. If you ask random people off the street to name something invented in China, or a famous Chinese historical figure, or an era or dynasty in Chinese history, some people would actually be able to name one. Chinese locations and characters occur with some regularity in western television and movies.

      Thailand is significant regionally, perhaps, but once you're an ocean or two away, it just doesn't matter. People are vaguely aware that it's a country, and *maybe* they can even find it on a map, or name the capital, but beyond that...

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  5. Simple: Don't go to Thailand by syousef · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a country wants to enact oppressive laws that censor citizens and foreigners alike that's their perogative. Just another reason to boycott travel to such a country. It's not the only country I'd choose to forgo unless I had to travel.

    Meanwhile their Royal Family becomes less and less atuned to the sentiment of their populace. In other places and at other times similar action has usually led to poor leadership, the Royal Family becoming less relevant, and eventually the deposition of that family, often in a bloody revolution. It's the Royal Family that should be asking for this crackdown to end, if they know their history.

    I've been very careful but does the above paragraph mean it's no longer safe for me to travel to Thailand?

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    1. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only if you signed your passport with syousef as your name.

      Good thing you didn't check the box, I'm absolutely certain that Anonymous Coward is banned from traveling to many if not all countries by now.

    2. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by QuantumG · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yeah, every now and then someone asks me if I want to go to Thailand or some other oppressive nation and I'm like "uhhh, no thanks!" and they're completely baffled as to what I could possibly have against leaving my nice little democratic country where attempting to bribe an officer of the law get you arrested rather than be expected.

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    3. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 4, Informative

      From what I remember, the Thai monarchy takes a dim view of the whole "oppress people for offending the monarchy" idea. I seem to remember reading something about their king taking it all in good stride, but the monarchy is a figurehead and the military likes using "offending the monarchy" as a good way to crack down.

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    4. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Funny

      I seem to remember reading something about their king taking it all in good stride

      You read that on CNN, didn't you?

    5. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Interesting

      the monarchy is a figurehead and the military likes using "offending the monarchy" as a good way to crack down.

      The king is actually very well liked, and the people take it quite seriously when someone offends him. For instance, I was playing golf there and on the 18th green I had a putt to win a bet. My opponent took out the amount of the bet and placed it just behind the hole. Well, the money has the king's picture on it, and the caddies were horrified that his image had been placed on the ground.

    6. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Informative

      From what I remember, the Thai king often pardoned people for that. If so, good move -- harder to say bad things about someone who just saved you from 15 years in a Thai prison.

      Also, I seem to remember hearing how much the Thai love their king.

      If these are true, I wouldn't say they're less attuned to the "sentiment of their populace", but to the rest of the world, and to the realities of an information age.

      That "rising tide" of anti-monarchy sentiment would be, at least at first, no more and no less sentiment than was already there.

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    7. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by kheldan · · Score: 1

      From what I remember..

      This sounds more like what I envision to be the real situation. Unless the King in question is a complete despot, or perhaps so far into his dotage that his mind isn't working properly anymore, why should he care so much? Making such an issue of such trifles as the words of commoners or worse, foreigners, is unseemly at best; better to ignore it, rather than react to it and give such persons importance artificially. No, I'd also much sooner believe that the PM, or someone who has the PM's ear, is abusing an old and outdated law for their own political agenda. The real question is though, is the King paying attention enough to what's going on in his own country and/or the media, to eventually get sick and tired of his own government making a mockery of his good name and put a stop to it?

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    8. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by dangitman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, the money has the king's picture on it, and the caddies were horrified that his image had been placed on the ground.

      But they're just fine with him being in your pants?

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    9. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's a bit like the cult of the "dear leader" in North Korea. Everything good that in other countries would come from the government (medical care, education scholarships, that sort of thing) is represented as being the personal gift of the king. The newspapers and TV are filled with pro-king propaganda and never publish anything in the least bit critical of him. Couple that with the natural deference to authority that is part of Thai culture, and you get a situation where he is all but worshipped.

      Everyone there will tell you that he does not approve of this sort of censorship or of people being jailed for criticizing him, but he has never done anything to stop it, and it is getting much worse under the present pro-royal government. Of course the reality will be that he denies in public that he is offended (to look good) but behind the scenes is telling his minions to crack down heavily on any opposition to him.

      He is very old now, and all the orchestrated adulation has been directed towards him personally, and has not involved anyone who might be his successor. So the whole thing will probably collapse as soon as he dies.

    10. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Aris+Katsaris · · Score: 1

      "Also, I seem to remember hearing how much the Thai love their king."

      It seems that it's illegal not to love him. So what choice do the Thai people have on the matter?

    11. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      It's *good* to be king.

    12. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm absolutely certain that Anonymous Coward is banned from traveling to many if not all countries by now.

      Beh! There goes my vacation plan to Thailand!

    13. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      The new prince who will be king once this one dies isn't liked much at all.

      This king is pretty awesome, he holds two patents for designing a method for making clouds rain via dropping pellets out of a plane.

      He'd fit right in with the slashdot crowd.

    14. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The current sitting king of Thailand -deserves- the respect he gets. He was very much involved with improving his country on all fronts, social, economic and technological. His response after the tsunami's was not just to grant aid and support to the villages that were literally wiped out, but to help those people rebuild and give the chances to make a living doing the rebuilding. I had the chance to tour the area about a year after the tsunamis and was quite pleased with what I saw; our own US Government could learn a thing or two in regards to our disasters, like Katrina. But, make no mistake, it was the king who had this done so quickly and for the people, most of who were well within poverty levels, to not only give them houses, but to -improve- their villages at the same time.

      The same can be said for the queen. I got to visit a cultural center a bit outside Bangkok, where people (normally the rural and poor) are paid to make traditional thai arts for a two-pronged purpose: to keep the traditional arts alive and to be sold to tourists to generate revenue to further fund such projects. This was the queen's idea and I think it makes great sense.

      Now, the sitting prince? I've heard rumblings about him; he is not nearly as well liked or respected, because of his attitudes and semi-playboy lifestyle.

      I should post-fix this with the fact that I am married to a Thai woman and have gotten to spend quite some time over there. ^.^

    15. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by S.O.B. · · Score: 1

      The king doesn't have much political power so there's not much he can do to repeal the law or prevent people being changed under the law. However, he does have the power to pardon people once they have been convicted and routinely does so.

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    16. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I've been very careful but does the above paragraph mean it's no longer safe for me to travel to Thailand?

      No, it means it was never safe to go to Thailand.

      My lady and I need to have a grip of mercury-based fillings removed, and I need to have two impacted wisdom teeth extracted (ow.) We were considering getting this done in Thailand. Now, we're getting it done in Mexico (Nogales.) I don't get to vacation in Thailand, but I do get to skip a 22 hour flight in an asian airplane seat.

      To be fair, we're also considering moving out of the USA...

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    17. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Asic+Eng · · Score: 1
      The king apparently plays a very important role in Thai politics, unfortunately. My impression is, it's not so much the military using him as a figurehead, but him pulling the strings without officially admitting to being involved. He seems to use the military regularly to overthrow the government whenever he doesn't like the guys who were elected.

      Him pardoning people who "offend the monarchy" very much fits into that pattern. He doesn't actually do anything to get the law of the books, just pretends it's not him who is the driving force behind it. I think the Thai's worship of the king is the root to a lot of their problems.

      Mind you, this is only my personal opinion, I'm by no means an expert on Thai politics. Luckily I live in a country where I can freely debate my thoughts with others, though.

    18. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hey baby, is that the king of Thailand in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

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    19. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I remember, the Thai king often pardoned people for that. If so, good move -- harder to say bad things about someone who just saved you from 15 years in a Thai prison.

      sure it is, if he's the person who also threatened to put you there in the first place.

    20. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

      But they're just fine with him being in your pants?

      Well, this is Thailand, after all...

    21. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Potor · · Score: 1

      perhaps you should know what you're talking about before boycotting thailand. the king is revered, and people there support lese majeste laws.

    22. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the threat of 3 to 15 years in prison, who wouldn't like the king? =P

    23. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hail to the king, baby.

    24. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Except, he isn't. His lackeys are.

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    25. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by jandrese · · Score: 1

      I've always distrusted the whole "But Thai people love their King!" reporting that you always get with these stories. When the penalty for not loving your King is 15 years in Thai prison, I bet you won't find too many people who don't "love the King". The same effect can be seen in North Korea, where every time a reporter goes over there he finds nothing but unconditional love for their glorious god-leader.

      I also find suspicious the story that the King doesn't really like all of that fuss over his name, it's the nasty military guys who always take it too far. Is Thailand some kind of odd monarchy where the King doesn't have any control over the military? Is he so powerless he can't even write formal letter to the Military advisers saying basically "Don't be dicks."?

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    26. Re:Simple: Don't go to Thailand by ibsteve2u · · Score: 1

      And you know that American custom of when you drop a coin and, if it starts rolling across the floor, you stomp on it to stop it? Don't, in Thailand; there is a particular taboo about your feet ever being above the level of someone else's head, and Thai coins have the King's picture on them.

      That one made it into State Department brochures back in the early '70s.

      I have to add, though, that Thailand has far and away the friendliest people of any Asian country that I've lived in. OTOH, ditto on the prisons, and I, too, would tend to suspect that this action originates from Thailand's military.

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  6. So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who is going to be the first person here to insult the Thai Monarchy?

  7. Let me be the first to say... by Stormwatch · · Score: 3, Funny

    King Bhumibol, I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a binturong and your father smelt of durians!

    1. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Get a grip, stormwatch - this is *not* being driven by the Thai monarchy, but by the political forces currently struggling for control of a fragile democracy.

    2. Re:Let me be the first to say... by wITTus · · Score: 1

      Slashdot censored in 3.... 2.... 1....

    3. Re:Let me be the first to say... by fyoder · · Score: 1

      King Bhumibol, I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a binturong and your father smelt of durians!

      That's his real name, I just looked it up in case you were joking. I guess with a name like that as a kid he took all the teasing that he's going to take and he's not going to be teased by anyone anymore ever! Nyah!

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    4. Re:Let me be the first to say... by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Get a grip, AC. It is not remarks about political forces that get censored, but remarks such as that made by Stormwatch about the Thai monarchy.

    5. Re:Let me be the first to say... by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      3-15 years in a Thai prison for insulting the Thai royal family?

      So, would this be the first time in Slashdot history that posting a goatse link would *not* be modded "Troll" if it was labeled "King Bhumibol"?

      Just sayin'...

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    6. Re:Let me be the first to say... by mjwx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      this is *not* being driven by the Thai monarchy, but by the political forces currently struggling for control of a fragile democracy.

      This is 100% correct, but the GP was just making a joke by using a /. meme. Given the wording he probably knows that as well as you do, if not more.

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    7. Re:Let me be the first to say... by julian67 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Thai king is very old and very fragile. Succession is imminent. In Thailand you probably won't hear a bad word about the king but you seldom hear a good word about the crown prince. The current king has taken the royal family from penniless pawns of the military elite (ethnic Thais) and business elite (Chinese/Thai)to being phenomenally wealthy and arch manipulators of everybody and everything; politics, politicians, the army, the courts, markets, property deals and so on. He is also one of the few uniting factors in a nation horribly divided by religion, ethnicity, class and money, rural vs urban. When he dies there's a very good chance that Thailand will descend into a bloody mess. The recent more robust (than usual) prosecution of lese majeste cases probably has many causes but surely one is the stark realisation by the current self appointed government that when the monarchy ceases to be universally respected it must at least be prohibitively risky to criticise it. If the majority of Thais, who are very poor and have seen the only politician who ever gave them anything deposed and then the next government they elected dissolved in a de facto coup, one day cease to be blinded by their adoration of King Bhumibol, if they finally see how the royal family and the urban rich are ceaselessly getting richer while the poor stay poor and are also disenfranchised....maybe they won't be too happy...and there are plenty of them. Thaksin might even be able to exploit the situation by being the only person capable of quelling a serious threat akin to the communist insurgency of the 70s. The current rulers of Thailand would go to almost any lengths to keep Thaksin out and he and his supporters will be very interested in opportunities to foment a volatile and frightening climate. It would be extremely ironic if the next king found himself asking such a bitter enemy to save his skin. Thailand is a very fucked up country and I would hate to be there when the king dies. There will be a few weeks of mourning and then anarchy.

    8. Re:Let me be the first to say... by fatmal · · Score: 1

      I have done a bit of work in Thailand, and a girl I worked with was named Supaporn Sukdol. Talk about perpetuating stereotypes.....

    9. Re:Let me be the first to say... by volcanopele · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good job! You just got Slashdot banned in Thailand. I hope you are proud of yourself. To Thai Authorities: Stormwatch is over there! Get him! Seriously, I agree. These regulations are ridiculous.

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    10. Re:Let me be the first to say... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Mmmm durians.

    11. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, saying that someone smells of durians must be the worst insult in southeast asia. Those things stink!

      And the proof that human kind is full of crazy people is that some actually like the fruit! :-P

    12. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      I guess with a name like that as a kid he took all the teasing that he's going to take

            What? Why would anyone make fun of old Bummy-ball?

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    13. Re:Let me be the first to say... by Heian-794 · · Score: 1

      Actually, such a joke wouldn't have been made. I'm no expert in Thai spelling, but if you hear his name said, it's more like "Pumipon", with heavy aspiration on the P's. He's also known as Rama IX, and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what he called himself in the English-speaking world. (Anybody know? He *was* born in Massachusetts, after all. He must have had a childhood nickname.)

    14. Re:Let me be the first to say... by cparker15 · · Score: 1

      King Bhumibol can bite my shiny metal ass.

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  8. Contra-Slashdotting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what is it called when an entire country can no longer access Slashdot?

    1. Re:Contra-Slashdotting by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      Internet Censorship?

      Either that, or some administrator is about to get swiftly fired. (or in this case, promoted)

  9. Sounds like Fark and Worth1000 need a new contest. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    They don't like their pictures defaced? Let's sub their pictures and show them what defacement is!

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  10. "You don't want to be in a Thai prison!" by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    I dunno know abut that. Get enough rambunctious independent thinking foreigners in there and it might just be the place to be.

    1. Re:"You don't want to be in a Thai prison!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, that, and anyone from a western country will likely have the benefit of being "bubba" in a Thai prison.

    2. Re:"You don't want to be in a Thai prison!" by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I dunno know abut that. Get enough rambunctious independent thinking foreigners in there and it might just be the place to be.

      I know you're trying to be funny but the actual fact is you'll be in there with the drug dealers, murderers, pimps and child molesters. There's no such thing as a "white collar" or minimum security prison in Thailand, the petty thief goes into the same monkey house as the hardened gang member.

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  11. Re:Sounds like Fark and Worth1000 need a new conte by IonOtter · · Score: 1

    http://diy.despair.com/motivator.php

    Let the bannings begin.

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  12. This is not a problem with the Thai people by mjwx · · Score: 5, Informative
    Or the Thai monarch, its a problem with the Thai elected government. Well minus the elected part, they took power in what pretty much amounted to a coup.

    The current government is in a precarious position and are attempting to use the Thai peoples reverence of the king to increase their own popularity. The current government will not be re-elected if general elections are called as they are favoured by the Thai upper and middle classes and disliked by the lower classes which make up the majority of the Thai people.

    Despite outward appearances to us Farang tourists (Farang: Thai-white skinned foreigner) Thai people are quiet conservative but their religion (Bhuddism) teaches them to be open and accepting of others even when they do something rude.

    Meanwhile their Royal Family becomes less and less atuned to the sentiment of their populace.

    As I said before, its not the Thai monarch, they have no real power, the king is king in name only (a rich land owner that holds no real political power much like the queen of England). It's Thailand unstable democracy that keeps producing these laws, not its monarch, they chose to pick emotional subject like the king to rally around to gain popularity. The king is very popular amongst Thai's, he was responsible for implementing education amongst even the poorest Thais and is respected for this. The Thai royal family holds as much political power these days as the house of Windsor (England's royal family).

    It's pretty hard to be convicted of Leste Majesty in Thailand and that law is only ever used for political gain. The Thai king himself has tried to get the law struck down on several occasions but he is a constitutional monarch and failed. The King has pardoned almost everyone charged with leste majesty in recent years (since Thailand returned to democratic elections in the 80's).

    I've been very careful but does the above paragraph mean it's no longer safe for me to travel to Thailand?

    Do my posts critical of the Bush administration make it dangerous for me to travel to the US? Thailand is a great holiday destination and is not dangerous to go to so long as you have half a brain. Insulting the king is like insulting the founding fathers, everyone knows whilst you're in the US you just don't do it. The most dangerous things in Thailand are the wild life, corrupt cops and falling in love with a Thai girl and for the first two, you can just avoid them.

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  13. Armchair pundits by dnwq · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cue the million and one Slashdot analysts who believe they, yes, they! alone understand Thai domestic politics, and hence they know that this is a simple instance of unreasoning tyrannical government censorship rather than, say, a careful political gambit being played by pro-monarchy upper-class forces amidst a political battle that has lasted the past two years.

    Yeesh. This isn't some minor county library board going thinkofthechildren!!1! yet again. The point isn't to actually control speech - this is a power play.

    1. Re:Armchair pundits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cue the million and one Slashdot analysts who believe they, yes, they! alone understand Thai domestic politics

      Now that you joined, we're a million and two?

      The point isn't to actually control speech - this is a power play.

      So? No-one goes through the trouble of censorship just for the sake of it, there is always a reason for it. Why does this reason make it less bad?

  14. Mystery Man Wins! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You haven't been paying attention to CNN's self-censorship during Obama's campaign, have you?

  15. Is Thai Prison as bad as this.... by AgNO3 · · Score: 1

    Is Thai Prison as bad as Philippina prison? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o

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  16. Obligatory Airplane reference by Schemat1c · · Score: 1

    You don't want to be in a Thai prison!

    Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

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    1. Re:Obligatory Airplane reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An unfunny reference to a movie nearing 30 does not count as "Obligatory..."

    2. Re:Obligatory Airplane reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An unfunny reference to a movie nearing 30 does not count as "Obligatory..."

      You must be new here.

  17. I think I have another use for that by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    They love me up here at work......

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  18. Re:Sounds like Fark and Worth1000 need a new conte by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    I think I have another use for that,

    they love me up here at work. /doh, hit the wrong reply earlier //no deletes on /. - you're stuck with the humiliation forever

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  19. Nevermind! by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    Fark is on the job!

    User Comments

    And of course the photoshop contest. Lots of criminals now.

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  20. There should be some way to bump your post to the by George_Ou · · Score: 1

    There should be some way to bump your post to the entry at the top. It puts everything in the proper context.

  21. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Insulting the king is like insulting the founding fathers, everyone knows whilst you're in the US you just don't do it.

    Hate to say this, but noone here really cares if you insult America's Founding Fathers. It's not like we don't do it ourselves a fair amount.

    Hell, we insult sitting Presidents, so why shouldn't we insult dead ones?

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  22. My website got blocked as well! by Dixcuxx.com · · Score: 0

    A friend of mine who lives in Thai just told me he cannot visit my website! It just says 404 cannot find! I am worry that Thai gov may even records my name and going to put me into jail if I visit Thai in future, scary!

    1. Re:My website got blocked as well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's either:

      1) Shitty connection
      2) A mistake, email the thai government website and get them to take you off the list

      Your friend however could get a vpn and his surfing would be much safer.

  23. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by mjwx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hate to say this, but no-one here really cares if you insult America's Founding Fathers

    Something tells me that if I marched into LAX with my Australian passport and shouted "George Washington was a Fag" someone would object. Not that I'd do that, I have common sense enough to be polite to the nation of which I am a guest. I have the good decency to only slag off other nations when I'm at home.

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  24. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by rob1980 · · Score: 1

    Something tells me that if I marched into LAX with my Australian passport and shouted "George Washington was a Fag" someone would object.

    Somebody would certainly object, but they wouldn't be able to do much more than call you an idiot for making that kind of declaration. Saying you have a bomb strapped to your chest on the other hand, now that'll get you a real objection..

  25. Oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't want to be in a Thai prison!

    Isn't that a bit presumptuous?

    Look, you have your hobbies and lifestyle, and I have mine.

  26. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Spasemunki · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yelling 'free hugs' in an airport would probably get you in trouble. On the other hand you can- and in fact someone has- publish a book suggesting that Lincoln was secretly gay without getting in any meaningful trouble. Do the same thing in Thailand with a member of the royal family, and you're in a lot of trouble.

    More importantly, despite the official legal story about the Thai king being 'powerless' according to the law, there have been suggestions that the monarchy exerts a great deal of influence over Thai politics through indirect channels. At least one author has suggested that this interference is one reason why democratic governments tend to be so fragile in Thailand, and why there have been so many coups and revisions to the constitution. This kind of discussion about the interests and actors who influence government affairs is vitally necessary to the functioning of a democracy, but the lese majesty laws guarantee that this won't happen in an open and honest way in Thailand.

    Interestingly, everyone always talks about how the king is 'universally beloved'. The Economist was almost certainly banned for an article published recently where they pointed out that the recent government crisis has started to put some dents in this image. They interviewed rural Thais (anonymously, of course) who felt betrayed that the monarchy was quietly supporting a political movement that seems intent on disenfranchising rural and ethnic minority Thais. The monarchy has been able to preserve its prestige by depicting itself as the protector of all Thais- as rescuing the country when things go badly out of kilter. During the most recent crisis, their support for a vocal minority over a very popular elected government who has catered to people outside of the Bangkok elite has damaged that perception.

  27. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by mjwx · · Score: 1

    It was originally just an example of how to be an arsehole, as I said, I'd never actually do it.

    With Thailand, unless you did it in front of a cop, making a disparaging remark about the king wouldn't even get a reaction (getting angry is a major loss of face in Thai/Buddhist society). A local cop would just throw you into the local lock-up for a few hours and then until you coughed up a few thousand baht (B1000 is roughly AU$45).

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  28. Unflattering article on Economist.Com by WittyName · · Score: 3, Informative

    read it here: http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12724800&source=hptextfeature

    Quote:
    Bhumibol's tale, even if stripped of the mythology his courtiers have spent decades constructing around him, is exceptional. The American-born son of a half-Chinese commoner accidentally inherits a throne close to extinction and revives it, creating one of the world's most powerful and wealthy monarchies, and surely the only one of any significance to have gained in political power in modern times. The king's charisma, intelligence, talents (from playing the saxophone to rain-making, a science in which he holds a European patent) and deep concern for his people's welfare make him adored at home and admired around the world. His image perhaps reaches its zenith in 1992, after the army shoots dozens of pro-democracy protesters in Bangkok, when television shows both the army leader (and prime minister) Suchinda Kraprayoon and the protest leader, Chamlong Srimuang (now a PAD stalwart), kneeling in an audience with him. Shortly afterwards General Suchinda resigns, and the king is given credit for the restoration of democracy.

    I can see how this might piss of the Powers That Be..

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    1. Re:Unflattering article on Economist.Com by julian67 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They forgot to mention the part about him and/or his mother the queen shooting his older brother dead and thus guaranteeing the succession of a hard nosed and ambitious leader instead of a sickly youth. Thais just love that story, start telling it as soon as you're through immigration, or maybe even right there at the desk while the happy cop checks your passport.

    2. Re:Unflattering article on Economist.Com by LingNoi · · Score: 0

      Apart from the fact that you made it up and it's never been proven who killed his older brother, it could have been the bother himself that suicided.

      Never attribute to malice which can be explained by stupidity.

    3. Re:Unflattering article on Economist.Com by julian67 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hmmm...a brain washed Thai speaks? No I didn't make it up. It definitely wasn't suicide, nobody of any persuasion has ever considered that to be a possibility because of the nature of the fatal wound. Some innocent palace servants were eventually executed many years later. The two prime suspects with motive, opportunity etc are clearly the current King and his mother. I'd suggest to anyone interested that they do their own research because it's a really remarkable event. If you're in Thailand don't do it, do what everyone else does which is pretend it never happened and refuse to acknowledge the event (another they pefer to overlook/deny occured is the Japanese occupation...a trifling matter, an agreement between friends *cough*). If you're in Thailand and do attempt to research this event you will be jailed if caught by the MICT censorship machine. If you discuss this event you have a very good chance of being jailed. If you write about this event your writings will be banned and you will be jailed. If you're considering discussing it with a Thai then reconsider. They are not allowed to know their own history and even when it stares them in the face they are so perfectly imbued with blind nationalism, ideas of racial superiority and so perfectly conditioned in their adoration of their masters that they are in fact unable to address many subjects with any kind of rationale.

    4. Re:Unflattering article on Economist.Com by Dahan · · Score: 1

      As far as I can tell, he's no Thai—he's just a farang who lived in Thailand for maybe a year, and now thinks he knows everything about Thai politics. Unfortunately for him, he's shown that he knows very little—for example, he thinks that that Samak Sundaravej was appointed PM by the junta.

    5. Re:Unflattering article on Economist.Com by julian67 · · Score: 1

      oooh look two foreigners having a pissing contest about which is the best "little thai".

  29. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by mjwx · · Score: 3, Informative

    In the recent troubles, the royal consort (Queen) was seen at the funeral of a PAD (Peoples Alliance for Democracy, the anti-elected government faction). The Rural Thais would not act against the king. The Economist was attempting to draw conclusions without a sufficient understanding of the people (Thai culture is far more complex then western culture). The king was attempting not to take sides this was exacerbated by his health issues.

    The king has a great deal of influence with the people but he cant dictate policy directly or indirectly and stays out of politics for the most part. The King is the only part of political stability the nation has and I'd hate to think what will happen when he dies. Thailand has had as many coups as the US has had democratic elections since 1932 (when the monarch gave up absolute power) 20 to be exact, make no mistake, this act was in no way ordered by the king as unlike the semi-elected government has no need to silence critics.

    The king has pardoned almost anyone convicted of Leste Majesty in recent years, Thai and Farang alike. With how tolerant the Thai people are you have to deliberately insult the king to get them to act on it. Being rude is easy, for example pointing at a picture of the king with your forefinger is rude (you are meant to use your palm) but if you do it the vast majority of Thais will say nothing.

    It's bash censorship week on slashdot, same as every week but Thailand is not the worst censor and censorship is not the act we should chastise Thailand about, their treatment of Burmese refugee's is appalling, but this is done by the military, a political force in their own right (19 coups and not all of them bloodless).

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  30. redundant question by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 1

    but is the royal family censoring news stories that publicize their role in censoring stories about them?

  31. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 1

    I really don't think that insulting the founding fathers would provoke a stronger reaction than insulting any other famous people. Clearly if you're shouting obscenities in an airport like a crazy person it doesn't matter who you're insulting; it'll be a problem no matter what.

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  32. They're doing it *exactly* wrong.. by cheros · · Score: 1

    Sigh. These guys obviously have never heard of the Streisand effect..

    What's happening now is that anyone who wants to annoy the Royals sets up a site outside Thailand and puts crap on it. It's turned into a (very questionable) sport, leaving the Thais to commit a Denial of Service on themselves.

    If they had simply ignored this rubbish as being well below them (as most other Royal houses do) the "fun" would have gone off it in a week. Actually, I don't think you can even assume a Royal will sit there telling his cohorts "I don't like this" - it could be the familiar effect of overzealous staff who suffer from a God complex..

    Some will never learn.

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  33. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone would object, but I'd probably think you were funny--especially with an Australian accent.

  34. You don't want to be in a Thai prison? by jsse · · Score: 2, Funny

    It'd not be too bad, consider some of them put males and females in one single large cell!

    They flip side is that you'd possibly be treated as female nevertheless.

    1. Re:You don't want to be in a Thai prison? by theskunkmonkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Are you really sure those were females?

    2. Re:You don't want to be in a Thai prison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure you could tell the difference without physical contact anyway?
      In a related matter, there are also the free kick boxing lessons available. 3 to 15 years of bootcamp will have a new meaning!

    3. Re:You don't want to be in a Thai prison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe they re-enact music videos like the Philippine prisons

      Thriller
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o

      Do the Hustle
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-FhczpCZ84&feature=related

  35. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Spasemunki · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the recent troubles, the royal consort (Queen) was seen at the funeral of a PAD (Peoples Alliance for Democracy, the anti-elected government faction). The Rural Thais would not act against the king. The Economist was attempting to draw conclusions without a sufficient understanding of the people (Thai culture is far more complex then western culture). The king was attempting not to take sides this was exacerbated by his health issues.

    The notion that Tha culture is 'more complex' and therefore somehow incomprehensible to Westerners is just an old orientalist canard. Rural Thais might not act against the king directly, but if they continue to feel that their interests are being denigrated in favor of the interests of the Bangkok elite, it will have significant consequences for future governments, and for whoever takes the throne after the current king.


    The king has a great deal of influence with the people but he cant dictate policy directly or indirectly and stays out of politics for the most part. The King is the only part of political stability the nation has and I'd hate to think what will happen when he dies.

    The idea that the king 'stays out of politics' is a common aphorism, but it's hard to say how true it really is. It's very hard for writers in Thailand to say anything about the role of the king in politics. The Economist and other Western journalists have written about how the king has likely taken an active hand in several of the coups- essentially overturning the democratic system when it's felt by members of the aristocracy that a democratic movement has gotten out of hand and needs to be reigned in. Publishing these kind of works basically guarantees that they will lose the ability to report from inside Thailand.

    It's true that respect for the king has been a stabilizing factor in many cases, but the thesis put forward by some of the critics is that overall his interventions in politics have prevented the development of a more robust and stable democracy in Thailand- rather than coping with short-term crises through democratic means, royal and military intervention have been used. It means that after the king passes away, Thailand will be in much worse shape than it would be if they had been force to deal with these sorts of issues directly. Of course, these sorts of counter-factuals are easy for historians to make, but hard to prove.

    With how tolerant the Thai people are you have to deliberately insult the king to get them to act on it.

    To me, the insults or criticism is less significant than the fact that it's not possible to write honestly about politics in Thailand. Looking critically at the role the monarchy plays is simply not possible from inside Thailand, or in the Thai press. This also prevents criticism of other political groups that have ties to the monarchy. It's certainly true that the king isn't responsible for the lese majesty laws, and that he has pardoned those who have run afoul of them; on the other hand, there was talk at one point that Thaksin would be charged with lese majesty (before the coup and the trial in absentia). I have little faith that he would have been pardoned if it had happened.

  36. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    Insulting the king is like insulting the founding fathers, everyone knows whilst you're in the US you just don't do it.

    People pick on the Founding Father's all the time, most notably Jefferson's jungle fever with his slave women.

  37. S. P. Somtow by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    I wonder if that would include an unflattering review of something by composer and SF author S. P. Somtow? It's not mentioned in his Wikipedia article, but I've met him a few times, and he's related to their king.

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  38. This is not about offending the royals. by TheMCP · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Thailand is ramping up their media wide censorship of anything that remotely offends Thai royalty."

    Uh, no. Thailand is ramping up their media wide censorship of anything that remotely offends the kind of obnoxious people who think censorship is a great idea, are looking for something to get offended about, and don't mind using the king's good name as an excuse.

    There's a difference.

    The actual king says that people should be permitted to criticize him, and I believe he has not expressed that he's in any way offended by any of the stuff people are being jailed for.

    1. Re:This is not about offending the royals. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well is he powerless then, like the Queen of England? If not, he should do something about this.

  39. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hell, we insult sitting Presidents, so why shouldn't we insult dead ones?

    Because it's just not nearly as much fun. Try it yourself and see -- "Grover Cleveland was a fucking pussy." "Andrew Jackson was a racist prick."

    Hey, I think I was wrong; this actually does have its appeal. Millard Fillmore was so fat....

  40. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Insightful

    censorship is not the act we should chastise Thailand about

    Why not? It's bad in China, it's bad in the US, it's bad in Europe, and it's bad in Thailand.

  41. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by slapys · · Score: 1

    Thai people are quiet conservative but their religion (Bhuddism) teaches them to be open and accepting of others even when they do something rude.

    Have you ever traveled to Thailand? I dare you to walk down the main street of Pattaya Beach at night. You'll see wilder shit than you've ever imagined in the craziest college town you've ever visited in the U.S. It will blow your mind.

    All the stereotypes about Thailand are true.

  42. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by raju1kabir · · Score: 1

    I'm fresh out of mod points, but as a frequent extended visitor working in Thailand I'd just like to say that this is easily the most informative and insightful post on the page.

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  43. Offending the monarchy -- Free press by MoellerPlesset2 · · Score: 1

    See, not every country became democratic and fully 'modern' in one swoop like the USA did (well.. not that the USA actually lived up to its ideals initally, but I disgress). Other countries like Sweden and England evolved that way through gradual reform.

    In the early 19th century, Sweden had become a democracy, albeit with a monarch. There was freedom of the press insofar that anyone could start a newspaper. But one of the rights the king had retained was the ability to revoke their right to publish. Well, in 1830 the newly created newspaper Aftonbladet ("The evening paper") criticized the king, who then revoked their right to publish.

    So, very quickly they resumed publication under the name "Det andra Aftonbladet" ("The second Aftonbladet"), which was also banned fairly soon. So they started the third Aftonbladet, the fourth Aftonbladet, etc. By the time they'd changed their name 26 times, the monarchy gave up. The right to free press has never been seriously contested in Sweden since. (and the privileges of the monarchy were gradually reduced to today's figure-head status - with less rights, I believe, than the Queen of England)

    Actually the current Karl XVI Gustav, made a deal with the Government back in the 1970's to never, ever, interfere or even comment on political matters. If he did, the monarchy would risk being abolished completely. -The Social Democrats have ruled Sweden for all but 3 terms in the last century, and their party platform has always included abolishing the monarchy. The monarchy's existence is entirely due to their popularity.

    1. Re:Offending the monarchy -- Free press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Social Democrats have ruled Sweden for all but 3 terms in the last century, and their party platform has always included abolishing the monarchy.

      This is swedish efficiency people: The ruling party platform has included abolishing monarchy for a hundred years and they've still not done it ("men vi mÃ¥ste ju diskutera fÃrst")... Reminds me of their decision to stop using nuclear power: That was thirty years ago and they're still splitting atoms as much as before* :)

      *) to be fair, I think they've re-evaluated that decision lately and it's no longer a short term goal

  44. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by raju1kabir · · Score: 4, Informative

    All the stereotypes about Thailand are true.

    Pattaya is hardly typical Thailand. It's like going to Las Vegas and drawing conclusions about the USA.

    Thailand is a conservative country, but their idea of conservative is different to yours. Furthermore, it's not a rich country, so the prospect of extracting a lot of money from foreign douchebags is able, in some places, to supplant traditionally (and universally) conservative values like keeping the exploitation of women behind closed doors. Hence Pattaya, Patong, Patpong, Nana, etc.

    Recently a Thai friend of mine was supposed to go to Patpong Road (in Bangkok) in the evening to make some observations, as an assignment for her postgraduate degree studies. She didn't feel comfortable going on her own, and couldn't find anyone else who was willing to go with her. Most Thais find that stuff as objectionable as anyone else would if it were in their country. They're just good at smiling and pretending it's okay.

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  45. Re:fp by beckerist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

  46. Who want's to be in a Thai prision? by nwerneck · · Score: 1

    If so many writers of such diverse media are going to start to be locked in Thai prisons, perhaps it will become a nice place to stay. Think about it, if the government of Thailand start to get all Internet website owners in their prisons, Thailand's jails __will become the new Internet!__

    It's like that joke, that Hell can be a better place to be, because of the company.

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  47. learn something new every day by jipn4 · · Score: 1

    I didn't know Barbara Streisand was the King of Thailand.

  48. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Hell, we insult sitting Presidents,

          Nah, it's no fun now that Bush is gone...

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  49. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On the other hand you can- and in fact someone has- publish a book suggesting that Lincoln was secretly gay without getting in any meaningful trouble.

    As a gay man, I've got to say I find it saddening that you equate the notion that someone was gay with an insult.

    I don't know whether Lincoln was gay or not, and honestly, I don't even care, but OF COURSE saying "Lincoln may have been gay" or even "Lincoln was gay" is NOT the same as insulting Lincoln (or Lincoln's memory or whatever). His sexuality, whatever it was, is a historic fact, and him having been gay wouldn't make him any better or worse of a person than him having been hetero would.

    So, could you please think of a different example next time?

  50. Why not? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    censorship is not the act we should chastise Thailand about

    Why not? It's bad in China, it's bad in the US, it's bad in Europe, and it's bad in Thailand.

    Saying so is like saying
    MS Windows is the only operating system for most computer users, so it should be the only operating system for all computer users.

    1. Re:Why not? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, saying so is like saying that evil is evil anywhere on the globe regardless of any "moral relativist" crap.

  51. Depends which prison by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  52. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by rswail · · Score: 1

    The king has pardoned almost anyone convicted of Leste Majesty in recent years, Thai and Farang alike.

    He better pardon the poor bastard from Australia that wrote one sentence in a book that sold 7 copies that got sentenced to 3 years jail. The sentence in question referred to a non-existent, fictional junior prince.

    "lese majesty" is a bullshit offence. The King of Thailand earned respect, he doesn't need a law.

    Almost as stupid as blasphemy.

  53. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most dangerous things in Thailand are the wild life, corrupt cops and falling in love with a Thai girl and for the first two, you can just avoid them.

    But the last one, on the other hand, is pretty much unavoidable, especially if you happen to like asian girls...If you still manage to avoid it, then it means that becoming a monk may be something to consider

  54. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

    As I said before, its not the Thai monarch, they have no real power, the king is king in name only (a rich land owner that holds no real political power much like the queen of England). It's Thailand unstable democracy that keeps producing these laws, not its monarch...

    Many reputable sources, including 'The Economist', (which is probably why it's been banned too), would beg to differ. See:
    http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12724800&source=hptextfeature

    An extract: 'Many Thais will squirm at what follows, and will prefer the fairy-tale version of the king's story. But the king's past actions are root causes of a conflict dividing the country, and need to be examined.'

  55. Talk about a never ending task. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Thai monarchy sucks donkey balls. Try to find me and put me in prison, good luck.

  56. Reminds me of a joke by bbbaldie · · Score: 1

    The pope, Jesse Jackson, and the king of Thailand walk into a bar...

  57. The Thai Royal Family are hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The soft porn film Emmanuel was filmed in Thailand. The director said that they had some problems filming some scenes but that a member of the Royal Family offered them the use of his estate to complete filming as the police would not dare to investigate there.

    Like most of the remaining royal families they rely on the fairy tale aura which hangs over them, making them appear to be something other than the vain useless leaches which they are.

    It's not surprising that they want to censor the internet. The truth does them no favours.

    1. Re:The Thai Royal Family are hypocrites by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      Who said they want to censor the internet? They don't have any say in the matter.

  58. Yay great for tourism competitors by unity100 · · Score: 1

    since thai tourism will be getting a nose dive, others can benefit. serves them right for being jackasses about freedom of speech.

  59. Why can't it be both? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It can simultaneously be tyrannical government censorship and a careful political gambit. In fact, much modern censorship *is* a disgusting mating between these two political themes.

  60. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pattaya is hardly typical Thailand. It's like going to Las Vegas and drawing conclusions about the USA.

    No need for that though. We can form conclusions about the USA well enough from all the Hollywood movies.

  61. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

    As others have mentioned, yelling it in an airport would invoke alarm, but if you stood on some random street corner holding a sign or whatnot, then people would only care if you got in their way on on their nerves. I know of no one who really gives a damn about George Washington one way or another.

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  62. news site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For more information, please see www.thekingofthailandispants.com

    1. Re:news site by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      Why would we want to visit a troll site run by a spanish cheese dick? Unlike the site owner I've got better things to do with my time then waste it on trolling.

  63. I wonder if I've been blocked by Thaidog · · Score: 1

    My nick name "Thaidog" used to be number one on google and it went to my personal page. Since I'm neither Thai nor Thaidog I wonder how that comes across there.

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  64. Re:Let's get slashdot banned in Thailand! by LingNoi · · Score: 0, Troll

    or another way to write your post..

    "haha I'm a fag taking away slashdot for thailand because I can"

  65. King of Thailand by rossdee · · Score: 1

    Yul Brunner was not available for comment

  66. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

    Something tells me that if I marched into LAX with my Australian passport and shouted "George Washington was a Fag" someone would object.

    You might get convicted of hatethink for using the F-bomb, but no one would really care that it was directed at Washington.

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  67. Re:fp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because I shouldn't doesn't mean I didn't.

  68. Joke by kel-tor · · Score: 1

    The young Thia King was a kindly man full of humor and mirth who was always making self depricating jokes about himself. So of course he had himself put to death.

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  69. "You don't want to be in a Thai prison!" by Britz · · Score: 1

    Lately I heard lots of things about not wanting to be in an American prision. Thai might be even worse, but do you really know for sure?

  70. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

    The Economist was attempting to draw conclusions without a sufficient understanding of the people (Thai culture is far more complex then western culture).

    I think "inscrutable" is the word you're circling around.

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  71. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    Something tells me that if I marched into LAX with my Australian passport and shouted "George Washington was a Fag" someone would object.

    Unlikely. They might look at you the way they look at the Moonies in the airport, but it's unlikely in the extreme that anyone would be so rude as to say word one about your comment.

    Though, come to think of it, someone who was sleeping nearby might tell you off for yelling. Or at least glare at you.

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  72. Next to be banned... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...will be websites that insult Barry.

    All Hail Barry!

  73. who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    LAX? They wouldn't know who GW was.

  74. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    Hell, we insult sitting Presidents,

    Nah, it's no fun now that Bush is gone...

    Let's see. We insulted Bush the younger, Clinton, Bush the elder, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Truman, FDR, Hoover...

    Why do you think that Obama will get a pass?

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  75. Do They Serve Thai Phood in Prison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The King is a Wonderful Great guy! He's quite a Prince of a Fellow! Yowsa yowsa yowsa - you've been really great. I'll be here all week.

  76. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

    With Thailand, unless you did it in front of a cop, making a disparaging remark about the king wouldn't even get a reaction (getting angry is a major loss of face in Thai/Buddhist society). A local cop would just throw you into the local lock-up for a few hours and then until you coughed up a few thousand baht (B1000 is roughly AU$45).

    And in the USA, making a disparaging remark about the Founding Fathers (or even the sitting President) in front of a cop would cause nothing to happen whatsoever.

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  77. Let's do this Right by pugugly · · Score: 1

    Can we simply make it a goal to get every useful site onto Thai/Chinese/Russian blocklists?

    Seriously - I want to just take it all the way and make blocking the internet do them verifiably more harm than good. I want there to be no useful science, technology, nothing of use they can get off the internet anymore, unless they give up and allow for free transfer of information.

    (Slashdot of course should be allowed through - I said useful sites - {G})

    Pug

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  78. In that case... by tgrigsby · · Score: 1

    Thai Prince Maha Vajiralongkorn is a prick. The King seems like a pretty decent guy and has said he thinks the law needs to be repealed, but instead of repealing it, he's letting people go to jail, so what does that tell you? The Prince, on the other hand, is truly convinced that his fecal waste has the olfactory qualities of a fragrant flower.

    This is the reason we fought a war to get rid of a king, George Bush's ambitions not withstanding.

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  79. The King and I 2: Electric Boogaloo by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1

    As if Thailand wasn't in enough trouble already (mistreating Burma refugees, underground slave trade, and lets not forget the big sit in protest at the airport), this comes along and sets things completely backwards.

    Let me know when the King of Siam wants to send President Obama some male elephants to fight the War on Terror.

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  80. Child prostitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Child prostitution is still cool there though, right?

  81. Re:This is not a problem with the Thai people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Skin color. It's hard to come up with an insult that doesn't give the impression of being racially insensitive.

  82. Thai Royalty named after new sex act. by DrStoooopid · · Score: 1

    Thailand is a shithole country, where beautiful women are forced to work as sex slaves to send money back to their parents, and the monarchy does nothing but sit on its ass and let it happen. What's it like to be a pimp, your excellency? Stand up and be a leader, stop oppressing your people and stop allowing them to oppressed, or are you just letting it happen because you secretly love the cock of some 12 year old Filipino boy in your ass, and the balls of a donkey on your chin? The monarchy can suck a fart out of my butt...wait a minute, you'd like that, because you're the type of people that would get off on that shit, and then have Australians pay 50 baht to see it. You suck, your country sucks, and you all felch M&M's from the asses of well trained shaven gerbils

    Oh darn, now I can never go to Thailand....I hope I never have any connecting flights through Thailand, I may wind up in a prison where the King's mom works as a fluffer for prison porn.

    (too much?)

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  83. So long /. by gevantry · · Score: 1

    So now /. will get the censor's swipe in Thailand, since these days just mentioning the King seems to set off the self-appointed royal honor watchdogs. Calling all tourists: take your cash to Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam. Tourist capital flight is possibly the only thing that will get their attention.

  84. Re:Yes that was too much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that was unnecessary. Is that imagery something young people need to read? Poor judgement dude. Or you have a great career in Hollywood ahead of you.

  85. Dear King, please be offended by that law by Pan+Sola · · Score: 1

    The King ought to be offended by the politicians using his position as a tool to rally the populace's emotions around.

    Problem solved

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