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Obama To Name Melissa Hathaway Cybersecurity Chief

hargrand writes "President Obama has found the cyber tsar to head his new White House office of cybersecurity. According to US press reports this morning, an announcement expected later today will confirm Melissa Hathaway is to come in as cyber chief, after being cyber coordination executive for the director of national intelligence."

188 comments

  1. Tsar or Tsaritsa? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Informative

    President Obama has found the cyber tsar ...

    Uh, shouldn't that be tsaritsa?

    Or is there something you know about Melissa that we don't?

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    1. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by nicolas.kassis · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      sounds like starbucks. "Barista"

    2. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or is there something you know about Melissa that we don't?

      Her parents were stranded on a tropical island you insensitive clod.

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    3. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by 1+(smarterThanYou) · · Score: 1

      Tsarina is the english feminine form. I figure we'd use that instead of tsaritsa...

    4. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like starbucks. "Barista"

      if there is something that you won't never find at starbucks, it's a real barista.

    5. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by JorDan+Clock · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I'm a barista, but I don't work at Starbuck's, you insensitive clod!

    6. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Samschnooks · · Score: 5, Funny
      Neither. Cyber-Dominatrix.

      She'll need to wear spiked heeled boots and a leather corset.

      I think I have issues.

    7. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You may or may not be right. The wiki article you linked doesn't make clear if tsaritsa means only tsar's wife or a ruler on its own.

      E.g. due to this distinction in Poland they crowned female ruler as king: Hedwig Rex Poloniae not Hedwig Regina Poloniae.

    8. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Despite the hype, a retard could use an espresso machine successfully. It's not hard.

    9. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, they can't. If I have to deal with one more idiot (in Starbucks or otherwise) who doesn't know how to foam milk properly, I'm going to get arrested.

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    10. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Does she run Linux?

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    11. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by nicolas.kassis · · Score: 2, Funny

      but but they invented the word

    12. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Apple+Developer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Neither. Cyber-Dominatrix.

      She'll need to wear spiked heeled boots and a leather corset.

      I think I have issues.

      Mod -1 Creepy?

    13. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Judging by this picture of her, she's got the figure for it, but I've no idea if she's interested in dressing that way. Enquiring minds want to know!

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    14. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sounds like starbucks. "Barista"

      if there is something that you won't never find at starbucks, it's a real barista.

      FYI, "won't never" = "will always". I think you were trying to say "won't ever".

    15. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It actualy came from the italian word for barman.

      and I'm an ex barista who cringes at the concept of Effing starbacks calling thier monkies baritas

    16. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Call me a troll, and as much as I hate to admit it, he is right. Foaming milk is nearly an art.......

    17. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by sexconker · · Score: 4, Informative

      FYI, "won't never" = "will, on at least one occasion", whereas "never won't" = "will always".

    18. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Namlak · · Score: 1

      Mod -1 Creepy?

      Mod -1 Competition

    19. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by lysergic.acid · · Score: 4, Funny

      yea... that's not her. that's Faith Hill. why the hell would the chairwoman of the National Cyber Study Group be in a publicity photo with Tim McGraw?

    20. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by glwtta · · Score: 2, Informative

      You may or may not be right. The wiki article you linked doesn't make clear if tsaritsa means only tsar's wife or a ruler on its own.

      The article actually says in the first sentence that it can mean both. It doesn't come up as much, though, because most of the famous female rulers of Russia were in the 18th century, when the official titles were Emperor/Empress (though Tsar kinda stuck around in foreign translations).

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    21. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Surely it's Mod +1 Creepy?

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    22. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by couchslug · · Score: 4, Funny

      "I think I have issues."

      If she's hawt you do not have issues.

      If she looks like Janet Reno you have issues.

      If she looks like Janet Reno and dresses per your description, post pics because you are not alone.

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    23. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yoda? Is that you?

    24. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by jo42 · · Score: 3, Informative

      There is no way anyone working for Starbucks is a 'barista' or "one who has acquired some level of expertise in the preparation of espresso-based coffee drinks" much less a "a professional who is highly skilled in coffee preparation with a comprehensive understanding of coffee". They just misappropriated the word. Yeah, yeah, I know, off-topic.

    25. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, you're a troll
      Now don't you feel better?

    26. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by supernova_hq · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia, Linux runs her!

    27. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try drinking coffee as intended, then you won't suffer the indignity of throwing a hissy fit over an ingredient that shouldn't be there in the first place.

    28. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Barista is Italian for "If we don't call you a waitress, can we still pay you minimum wage?"

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    29. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 3, Funny

      If there's going to be temporal logic, I'm going to need more coffee.

    30. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by robogymnast · · Score: 1

      Right, next you're going to tell me that the people at Pizza Hut: Italian Bistro are not masters of authentic Italian cuisine...

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    31. Re:Tsar or Tsaritsa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So far I don't see any evidence she's guilty of tax fraud.... I wonder why obama picked her?

  2. Is she related? by neoform · · Score: 4, Funny

    If she's related to Ann Hathaway, she's got my support..

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    1. Re:Is she related? by retech · · Score: 1

      She's not. However, she is related to Jane Hathaway. And she's got my vote!

    2. Re:Is she related? by owlnation · · Score: 1

      I misread the title as Anne Hathaway (wishful thinking). Agent 99 as head of cyber-security -- he could do much worse.

    3. Re:Is she related? by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      If she's related to Anne Hathaway, she's got my support..

      There, fixed it for ya!

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    4. Re:Is she related? by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      I wonder if she is any relation to Professor Jerry Hathaway, that guy who was involved in a popcorn & laser scandal back in the 80s?

  3. Can't keep 'em straight by RockMFR · · Score: 3, Funny

    How many cyber/cyborg tsars/chiefs/secretaries do we have now?

    1. Re:Can't keep 'em straight by internerdj · · Score: 2, Funny

      Apparently not enough to bring up Skynet...Yet.

    2. Re:Can't keep 'em straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      The plan is to give everyone a job in the government; then we all have full employment with benefits. The name of this new economic system escapes me since it fell out of fashion about 20 years ago.

    3. Re:Can't keep 'em straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have more tsars that Russia...

    4. Re:Can't keep 'em straight by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Not enough. Yet. Be silent. The call to action will be raised when the time is right.

  4. Uh oh... Beveryly Hillbillies flashback! by erroneus · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Miss Hathaway, can you come into my office for a moment...?"

  5. Anyone have a picture of her? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm trying to remember if I met her or not. If she's the person I'm thinking of then I don't think she is a good choice.

  6. What's the difference between a "cybersecurity... by EWAdams · · Score: 0

    ... chief" and any other overworked, underpaid IT schmoe?

    Gurlz iz rare in IT. The work/life balance sucks hard. I hope she knows that.

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  7. But what if she's related to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  8. I, for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...welcome our new American cyber-overlords!

  9. CYBER by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Am I the only one who *hates* the word cyber?
    Is it a generational thing? Does it have something to do with Lawnmower Man?

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    1. Re:CYBER by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Using Windows is like walking through Middle-earth. There's a freaking wizard lurking around every corner.

      and most of them are up to no good...

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    2. Re:CYBER by Protoslo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, I was groaning all through the summary. The term utterly lacks dignity, in my opinion. It is hard to imagine a "Cyber-Czar" doing anything worthwhile. "Cyber-" invariably summons up images of bad 90's movies (though I never saw Lawnmower Man), and William Gibson's earlier novels, the technology in which seems even more quaint and anachronistic today. Creating an office of Cybersecurity just makes Obama seem foolish and out of touch (even if the system of nomenclature originated elsewhere, he's the president); there is no reason that it couldn't be called "Information Security," "Network Security," or something equally mundane and relatively dignified.

      From TFA:

      Hathaway chairs the National Cyber Study Group (NCSG), a senior-level inter-agency body and is recognised as being instrumental in developing the Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative (CNCI).

      It takes a more serious person than I to read a sentence like that without giggling. Please. I'm sure thousands of bureaucrats have wet dreams about being "instrumental" in developing a "Cybersecurity Initiative." I hope that put that in her epitaph some day.

    3. Re:CYBER by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      Is it a generational thing? Does it have something to do with Lawnmower Man?

      There are a lot of issues that have to do with Lawnmower Man.

      Fear of the word "cyber" is just one. :P

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    4. Re:CYBER by QuantumG · · Score: 2, Informative

      Cybersecurity is a military term. All military terms are honky, it's the style.

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    5. Re:CYBER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hate the use of tsar it refered to rulers originally ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar ) and now it's used more like executive or manager for these new departments in government.... why don't we have the King of Homeland Security or the Emperor of Central Intelligence or is there a Dictator of Finance? Geez people!!!

      Oh I got it Cyber-lord of Internet Content Purification and Control.... perfect!

    6. Re:CYBER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, especially that evil twin brother, Gandalf the Blue

    7. Re:CYBER by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, cybernetics came into widespread use meaning the study of feedback and control systems.

      Computers obviously have considerable applications to many modern control applications. However, it was premature in the 80's and 90's to refer to anything computer related as "cyber-". The case may somewhat different today, particularly in regard to security.

      A system's property of "security" is not inherent in the security of its parts, it is not in any way shape or form the sum of the security of its parts. A secure system may include some insecure components, and an insecure system may contain nothing but secure components. Therefore it is possible to argue that security is truly a cybernetic phenomenon, in which we try to keep the system in some kind of defined state (including defined states of knowledge and ignorance on the part of its participants).

      That' said, people who use the prefix "cyber-" to refer to anything related to computers are morons.

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    8. Re:CYBER by Shaitan+Apistos · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who *hates* the word cyber?

      That depends... are we talking about the verb?

    9. Re:CYBER by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Yup, it's a horrible "word", prefix, and term in general.

      Cyber to me means only one thing - cyber sex (from text conversations to full blown VR).

    10. Re:CYBER by Adambomb · · Score: 1

      Really, i find its more a problem involving the instant it left gibsons pen and was read by someone in the media.

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    11. Re:CYBER by pwizard2 · · Score: 1

      Using Windows is like walking through Middle-earth. There's a freaking wizard lurking around every corner.

      If Windows is Middle-earth, then Linux must be the blessed realm of Valinor.

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    12. Re:CYBER by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Are you racist against rednecks?

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    13. Re:CYBER by QuantumG · · Score: 1

      Hey! Not anymore. I apologized to ESR and everything!

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    14. Re:CYBER by narcberry · · Score: 1

      I don't get why people are using it as a noun or adjective. IT'S A VERB PEOPLE!

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    15. Re:CYBER by incognito84 · · Score: 1

      It's not just you, I hate it too. I also hate people-that-aren't-me, young people on my lawn and those pesky kids that foil all my plans.

    16. Re:CYBER by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      IT'S A VERB PEOPLE!

      Only in the alternate universe where English is more of a guideline rather than a fully normative experience.

      Incidentally, did you happen to be holding a... cookbook, lately?

    17. Re:CYBER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The military aren't any better and they didn't invent "cybersecurity". They only took up the term because they're just as clueless about proper network security as civilian bureaucrats.

    18. Re:CYBER by Tellarin · · Score: 1

      It could be worse, they could have called her virtualsecurity chief or something.

      Every other thing that has slightly to do with tech is called virtual* these days.

    19. Re:CYBER by Veggiesama · · Score: 1

      IT'S A VERB PEOPLE!

      Only in the alternate universe where English is more of a guideline
      rather than a fully normative experience.

      If that's what you think, I pose a simple question:

      wanna cyber?

    20. Re:CYBER by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes.

  10. Change by cats2ndlife · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If she can somehow become the poster girl for geeky women and bring more of those into our line of work to lighten up the workplace, that'll be awesome. Now that's progress my friends.

    1. Re:Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If she can somehow become the poster girl for geeky women and bring more of those into our line of work to lighten up the workplace, that'll be awesome. Now that's progress my friends.

      Would you call it ... "Change you can incessantly masturbate to"?

    2. Re:Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      I've seen her.

      Not really.

    3. Re:Change by cats2ndlife · · Score: 1

      I somehow have a hard time finding her pic on the net. Care for a link?

    4. Re:Change by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          You know, I've been curious too. I went crawling around for pictures or more biography. Pretty much the same ol' stuff everywhere. She's either done a good job sanitizing her public history, or she's never done anything. I'll opt for #1.

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    5. Re:Change by Scrameustache · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If she can somehow become the poster girl for geeky women and bring more of those into our line of work to lighten up the workplace, that'll be awesome. Now that's progress my friends.

      We'd have to start wearing pants ;-(

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    6. Re:Change by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Only if she doesn't screw up. But the same goes for Obama as well.

      Sad but true.

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    7. Re:Change by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Sadly, I suspect that's why she was appointed. In a field that's dominated 20-1 by males, I am skeptical that she just happened to be the most qualified individual for the job.

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    8. Re:Change by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 1

      so if she fails and sucks will you cry about sexism inherent in the system? just curious...

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  11. tsubject by Eil · · Score: 0

    President Obama has found the cyber tsar

    I tsee what you did tsere.

    1. Re:tsubject by spun · · Score: 1

      What did he do? AFAIK, 'tsar' and 'czar' are different spellings of the same word.

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    2. Re:tsubject by spun · · Score: 1

      I asked the Spanish sergeant to seize her and he said "Si, sir.'

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    3. Re:tsubject by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I asked the Spanish sergeant to seize her and he said "Si, sir.'

      spun (1352)
      s pun
      S, PUN

      WHOAMG low UIDs really are better.

    4. Re:tsubject by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      How is that offtopic? Tsar and Czar are both derived from Caesar.

  12. I would have gone with... by GPLDAN · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Marcus Ranum myself.

    This woman helped politic the CNCI into existence.

    This editorial says more about the uselessness of that than I ever could:
    http://duvet-dayz.com/archives/2008/07/21/805/


    One of Obama's weakest appointments, and yes - I voted for him.

    1. Re:I would have gone with... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about? Almost (if not all) of his appointments have been weak and/or corrupt.

      Say what you will about GWB, but within a span of a few weeks, Obama already shatter his record in the most unsavory manor.

      Change alright...for the worst.

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    2. Re:I would have gone with... by tsm_sf · · Score: 2

      Almost (if not all) of his appointments have been weak and/or corrupt.

      Do you have any idea how many people he's appointed within the past few weeks?

      Say what you will about GWB

      Ok. He was a fucking moron who couldn't have done more damage to our country if he was a paid subversive.

      Obama already shatter his record in the most unsavory manor.

      Too bad spell checkers can't catch stupid.

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    3. Re:I would have gone with... by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

      Pierre de Fermat is impressed by the enormity of your unsubstantiated assertion.

      Do you have some shred of evidence that a significant fraction (to say nothing of "almost all, if not all") of the eight thousand appointments and nominations he's made are corrupt and ineffectual? I'm guessing not, because unless they all live six feet underground it's impossible to make any meaningful determinations after three whole weeks.

  13. Misread.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read that to say "Obama to Change Name to Melissa Hathaway"...

  14. why are we using the term in a democracy? by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Informative
    Why do we keep using a term that means, essentially, monarch or "supreme ruler"? Last I checked, these people aren't even members of the cabinet.

    They're mid-level federal pencil-pushers, at best- and the only reason she got the job was because she was a consultant at Booz Allen Hamilton, which is basically a government consulting group (aka glorified money sinkhole.)

    If that's not a conflict of interest, I don't know what is.

    1. Re:why are we using the term in a democracy? by sexconker · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And we're still under 3 weeks in folks!

      Only 206 to go!

      Obama and the democrats seem to be on the Peg Bundy economic plan. Just replace the cosmetics with whatever bailout, hand out, loan, stimulus, etc. bullshit they're pushing.

      Al: You see, Pookie, since you're the only one buying your cosmetics, you're not making any money.

      Peggy: Oh, yes I am. They send me checks.

      Al: Ah yes, but you send them much bigger ones. And that's what we call in the world of business "sending your husband rocketing to the poor house!" Why didn't you sell any make-up, Peg?

      Peggy: Well, like I told the girls, it's not very good.

      Al: Then why did you keep buying it?

      Peggy: Because that's how I make my money!

    2. Re:why are we using the term in a democracy? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Why do we keep using a term that means, essentially, monarch or "supreme ruler"?

      The whole "czar" thing in US government was coined to represent an official with overall coordinating responsibility over functions which are within the domains of several different executive branch departments (and usually, in each, within the domain of some obscure office within the department); it makes sense when you consider the common description of the problem "czars" are intended to address that the various offices with related responsibilities tend to operate as independent "fiefdoms" with no overall direction in addressing the larger policy problem. Within a particular narrow policy area, the "czar" is over all of the "fiefdoms".

    3. Re:why are we using the term in a democracy? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      Fucking genuis, man. Genuis.

      And we still let it happen. We put on our NO MA'AM shirts and go into the basement to rant, but we still let it happen!

    4. Re:why are we using the term in a democracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is it the government's place to be turning a profit? This "parable" isn't even relevant.

    5. Re:why are we using the term in a democracy? by ozphx · · Score: 1

      Yes it is. What the hell else do you call a GDP?

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    6. Re:why are we using the term in a democracy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gross domestic product. Maybe you should read up on economics?

    7. Re:why are we using the term in a democracy? by billstewart · · Score: 1

      It would have been more appropriate under the Bush Administration, since they believed in Unitary Executives who weren't accountable to Congress or the Courts, but the term rather predates them. But really the term is an anglicization of "Caesar", the family of thugs who ruled Rome and the surrounding world and turned the Republic into an Empire.

      There are several reasons for calling somebody a (whatever) Czar:

      • Bureaucrats like to build empires, and they're in charge of one
      • The last Czar of Russia got assassinated along with his whole family, and if it's politically expedient, a US administration can do that to their (whatever) Czar.
      • The title "Scapegoat" just doesn't have the same appeal when you're recruiting them...
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  15. I think that's so funny by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The US government appointing delegates with huge powers to regulate and oversee entire swaths of industry with very little personal accountability (heaven forbid!), and the irony in calling them tsars.

          Well when the "Land of the Free" finally stops being free, you won't be able to argue that you didn't see it coming.

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    1. Re:I think that's so funny by brentonboy · · Score: 1

      Well when the "Land of the Free" finally stops being free, you won't be able to argue that you didn't see it coming.

      Because it will be illegal?

    2. Re:I think that's so funny by mangu · · Score: 1

      Well when the "Land of the Free" finally stops being free, you won't be able to argue that you didn't see it coming.

      Free as in speech or free as in beer? The speech part seems to be less and less free each day, now the beer thing, could anybody please tell me exactly *where* do they give away this free beer?

    3. Re:I think that's so funny by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 1

      The US government appointing delegates with huge powers to regulate and oversee entire swaths of industry with very little personal accountability (heaven forbid!), and the irony in calling them tsars.

      Wait a sec. Oversee and regulate entire swatch of industry? Really? How?

      Seems to me the post is more about going "say guys - this would be a really Good Idea if we all did it this way." To which some will agree and adjust accordingly. Others will go "a mighty fine idea you got there" and continue trudging along in the same direction as always. And most won't even be aware that any of this is going on.

      And that's just in Government IT.

    4. Re:I think that's so funny by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      This person will have no power to regulate or oversee any part of any industry.

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    5. Re:I think that's so funny by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      You can get up to three free beers at my place.

      However, there is a $25 cover charge...

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    6. Re:I think that's so funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      College apartment block parties?

    7. Re:I think that's so funny by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      Hey, dumbass, czars regulate and oversee entire areas of executive branch policy, not 'industry'.

      Congress is the one that regulates and oversees 'industry'.

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  16. ASL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    15/F/FL...
    Honestly Cyber is charged word

    1. Re:ASL by Barny · · Score: 1

      No, DSL....

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    2. Re:ASL by needs2bfree · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the internet. Where men are men, women are men, and 15 year old girls from Florida are FBI agents...

  17. Headline should be... by Legion_SB · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obama names another cyber post... despite poor economy.

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    1. Re:Headline should be... by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      I almost gave you a hard time for unnecessarily relating something to the poor economy.

      Joke's on me. :-)

    2. Re:Headline should be... by will_die · · Score: 1

      Yea but if she follows true to form she will add a few thousand dollars in back taxes to the government coffers.

  18. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gurlz iz rare in IT. The work/life balance sucks hard. I hope she knows that.

    Yes, because obviously being female and having only made it to a senior position appointed by the most powerful man in the world, she must be a clueless newbie in need of advice on work-life balance from Slashdot...

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  19. ha good choice by afxgrin · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Come on - a woman as head of cybersecurity? This is like trolling the entire male IT world. If there's any single woman who's computer is going to be the focus of internet attacks - it's going to be hers. :-)

    It's not that I have anything with women in positions of authority, but this is different - I think Obama is underestimating the collective power of the patriarchal IT industry.

    Rule 34 if she looks anything like that actress named Anne.

  20. Melissa? Is that you? by mangu · · Score: 3, Funny

    Melissa... Melissa... Cyber security... Now, where exactly did I hear that name?

    1. Re:Melissa? Is that you? by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Well, according to Google images, she could either be a teacher, a photographer, a student, or a 29-year old baby.

      Take your pick.

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  21. In a related artcile.... by mitso6989 · · Score: 1

    Some of the things the Cyber Tsar will be responsible for are, worrying about intrusion at the manufacturing level. To quote: "What if malicious code were secretly installed during the manufacture or shipping of computer equipment, to be activated at some future date? How would we even know what threats we face?" -Microsoft and Intel have been doing this for years now. It's about time we catch them.

  22. Re:Well, it's a good bet... by nicolas.kassis · · Score: 1

    Proof please. oh... you are just a troll. Good to know

  23. Re:Well, it's a good bet... by EbeneezerSquid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it's less trolling, and just a reasonable expectation taking into account past history (from the past 3 weeks) that she will either a) have a Tax issue or b) have lobbying (or lobby-like) ties to the industry she will be regulating. As Cyber-Security Czar is unlikely to regulate an industry, that leaves us with a).

  24. No picture, but more details by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's her bio, from the announcement for an event, 'Cyber Security Breakfast with Melissa Hathaway' held last month.

    Melissa E. Hathaway is Senior Advisor to the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and Cyber Coordination Executive. She chairs the National Cyber Study Group (NCSG), a senior-level interagency body that was instrumental in developing the Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative (CNCI) aimed at substantially improving the ability of the United States to secure and defend its critical cyber national infrastructure. In January 2008, Ms. Hathaway was appointed the Director of the Joint Interagency Cyber Task Force (JIACTF), which coordinates and monitors the implementation of the broad portfolio of activities and programs that comprise the CNCI. In discussions at the highest levels of the U.S. Government, Ms. Hathaway has articulated a holistic, integrated vision to bridge offensive and defensive missions and capabilities to provide a full situational awareness of the Federal network environment and the global cyberspace environment. Her management of the CNCI ensures that this vision takes into account all of the U.S. Government mission areas, including law enforcement, intelligence, military, diplomatic, and homeland security.

    Prior to her appointment as Senior Advisor, Ms. Hathaway was a Principal with the consulting firm Booz Allen Hamilton, where her responsibilities focused on leading two primary business units: information operations and long range strategy and policy support. Her consulting efforts supported key offices within the Department of Defense and Intelligence Community, including United States Strategic Command, United States Pacific Command, the Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, the Office of the Secretary of Defense for Net Assessment, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. Her work included the design and development of novel techniques for mapping social, business process, and infrastructure relationships. She also led the design and development of a methodology for evaluating new force options across the electromagnetic spectrum. Some of the more significant long range strategy and policy studies on which Ms. Hathaway worked focused on biotechnology, power projection, Asia, and other national security issues.

    Earlier in her career, Ms. Hathaway was employed with the consulting firm Evidence Based Research, where she performed research and developed databases to track economic and political issues in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, developed a model to detect the routes and modes and to estimate the quantities of cocaine movement into the United States, and studied other key issues in support of the Intelligence Community.

    Ms. Hathaway has a B.A. degree from The American University in Washington, D.C. She has completed graduate studies in international economics and technology transfer policy, and is a graduate of the US Armed Forces Staff College, with a special certificate in Information Operations.

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    1. Re:No picture, but more details by blool · · Score: 1

      Ms. Hathaway was employed with the consulting firm Evidence Based Research

      I guess that's better than working for Lies Based Research?

    2. Re:No picture, but more details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So she was the one who helped create the CIP device!

    3. Re:No picture, but more details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After reading your post I have come to the conclusion that she doesn't do anything......A perfect appointment in every way.

    4. Re:No picture, but more details by korbin_dallas · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Shes a talking head. Crap I have better security credentials than that.
      I recently read an article about the DoD cyber-warfare....they all use Windows for jebus sake.
      HTF can you hack anything running windows....this is just more Security Theatre, Act2.

      WW3 will be decided in less than 6 minutes.

      Hows that for getting inside your opponents decision timeline?

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    5. Re:No picture, but more details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did she pay her taxes?

    6. Re:No picture, but more details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words... she has no idea what she's doing. Sounds like a bureaucrat with a fluffy bureaucrat's degree (and a special certificate!) and no real technical experience. If they get a real hacker in that office, then maybe I'll take the whole idea of government digital security (s/cyber/digital/) seriously.

    7. Re:No picture, but more details by pixelcort · · Score: 1

      So does she know how to do an SQL SELECT query with a LEFT JOIN?

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    8. Re:No picture, but more details by spun · · Score: 1

      That sounds like an Information Operation. She has a special certificate in that!

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  25. My Pictures (morgan_greywolf) by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Uh oh.

  26. every many and woman is a tsar by adavies42 · · Score: 1
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  27. Cybersecurity Chief? by Austin+Milbarge · · Score: 1

    Cyber? Seriously, anyone who names a person place or thing containing the word "cyber" is a fruit cake and probably knows horse crap about how to secure a computer to start with.

    1. Re:Cybersecurity Chief? by jasonmanley · · Score: 1

      I agree - I too will prejudge a person based solely on their use of colloquialisms etc. I once had a friend who said that anyone who used the term "sequel" as opposed to spelling out the letters "S-Q-L" knew nothing about databases!!!!!!!

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    2. Re:Cybersecurity Chief? by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          You know, when I was starting to really ramp up towards advanced stuff, I was pretty isolated. I had a lot of online resources (sites, email, chat with knowledgeable people), but rarely did I actually talk to people in person. Some things I got right, just out of dumb luck. Some things I didn't. I pronounce Linux wrong (leye-nuhks). Around 1992, I was told to "Try out this Linux thing". Armed with a box of floppies, and no idea what I was getting myself into, I tried. (and failed, as a good newbie should). From there, for several years, it was more reading online and in books. Then in the late 90's, someone said "You're saying it wrong." Really? How do you know? "Because someone else told me". We chased it around, and finally found the famous recording of Linus saying it. Aw heck.

          There's a neat thing about language. Usually if you learn to say something wrong, you'll keep doing it for an awful long time. So I say it wrong, and usually catch myself just as I say it.

          I did see Linus' posting where he said "I don't care how you say it, as long as you use it."

          I do say SQL. I am annoyed by people who just say "Sequel" and really mean Microsoft SQL. I ask them "Which SQL", and they'll come back with the MSSQL flavor of the year. They usually get annoyed that I'll start rattling off various SQL's, and they won't quite get what I'm saying, until I get to "Oh, you mean Microsoft S Q L"

          It's not that they're ignorant, it's that they probably don't know that there are other more dominant SQL servers out there. They were given the MSDN box set by their school or employer, and told "This is the world. Learn it. Live it. Love it.", and are frequently thrown for a culture shock to find out there is a much bigger, free world out there. :)

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    3. Re:Cybersecurity Chief? by jasonmanley · · Score: 1

      Hmmm ... yes these are some good points. So over here we say "cisco rowter" as opposed to "cisco rooter" [router]. We also say "deeb-eye-an" as opposed to "deeb-i-in" [debian]. Soo-zee as opposed to Soo-zuh [Suse] Dee-min as opposed to Day-mon [Daemon] Ah and two of my personal favourites: This same guy I mentioned above will correct you if you don't say the WHOLE name. eg: Postgres - he will correct you and say postgresQL OpenOffice - he will insist on OpenOffice.org and so forth

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  28. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I mean she obvious knows how to both give head to get ahead, AND keep from getting a belt buckle imprint that would be oh so un-photogenic.

    Hah: Captcha was Satisfy.
    Anyone else get the feeling they do some context checking on these captcha words?

  29. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by celle · · Score: 1

    As opposed to the political hacks from past administrations that compose the rest of Obama's appointees. So much for change. Industry leaders don't necessarily know the industry, they just won the back-stabbing contest.

    President Obama. How about posting questions straight to slashdot, you might just get some true, no kiss-ass, answers for once from people who aren't trying to make points and kissing up to ambitions.

  30. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about posting questions straight to slashdot, you might just get some true, no kiss-ass, answers for once from people who aren't trying to make points and kissing up to ambitions.

    Of course, the advice from Slashdot would be completely neutral and have no bias at all... except where anything to do with software or databases was concerned, but I can't imagine how this role would be affected by that sort of contraint!

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  31. Is She a Ph.D.? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because it'd be fan-freaking-tastic if the geekiest guy in the office asked her, "Dr.Hathaway? Are you wearing makeup?" every freaking morning. Just sayin'.

  32. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sucking cock is usually enough to get the position. Or would that be "taking the position is what it takes to get the cock" Damn it, I can never remember how it goes... Oh well.

  33. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but does she have a MS Security Cert?

  34. i just got off the toilet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i shit out an obama

    plop!

  35. Do all these "Tsars" piss anyone else off? by mahsah · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I thought we didn't have titles of nobility or royalty in America. FYI "Tsar/Czar" comes from "Caesar".

    Or maybe it is appropriate these days...

    1. Re:Do all these "Tsars" piss anyone else off? by narcberry · · Score: 1

      It's called "Change!" Obama didn't approve of my suggested slogan, "What's an america?"

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    2. Re:Do all these "Tsars" piss anyone else off? by kasdaye · · Score: 1

      Indeed!

      For those not in the know, the Latin pronunciation of Caesar is "k-eye s-ah-r". Compare to the German 'Kaiser' or Russian 'Tsar/Czar'.

    3. Re:Do all these "Tsars" piss anyone else off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF? Can't you Obama haters come up with a new joke.

  36. Open source it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So change it: develop open source governance.

  37. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You got to +5 insightful for saying the truth. If you were being sarcastic you'd have gotten +5 funny...

  38. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gurlz iz rare in IT. The work/life balance sucks hard. I hope she knows that.

    Yes, because obviously being female and having only made it to a senior position appointed by the most powerful man in the world, she must be a clueless newbie in need of advice on work-life balance from Slashdot...

    It's not so unlikely, considering that her new boss is a clueless newbie desperately in need of advice from (somewhere not Slashdot, I think)...

  39. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by narcberry · · Score: 1

    Agreed. This couldn't be a political ploy to appear to be reaching across the gender isle to fill an ambiguous position with no real future impact on society, could it?

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  40. Re:Well, it's a good bet... by BlueStrat · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think it's less trolling, and just a reasonable expectation taking into account past history (from the past 3 weeks) that she will either a) have a Tax issue or b) have lobbying (or lobby-like) ties to the industry she will be regulating. As Cyber-Security Czar is unlikely to regulate an industry, that leaves us with a).

    Or c) runs a botnet.

    Just sayin'...

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  41. Hope she... by klipsch_gmx · · Score: 0

    ..paid her taxes...

  42. is she CISSP certified? by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    If not, what qualifications does she have?

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    1. Re:is she CISSP certified? by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

      I asked that question when I found out this horrid news earlier.

      she has no qualifications other than holding previous posts in 'cyber' security.

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  43. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  44. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Of course it could be that. I just think it's sad how many people around here seem to be assuming that it is that, just because this particular high-ranking official is female. I hope it's just a young male insecurity thing amplified by the profile of Slashdot posters, and not a reflection of how sexist society as a whole still remains.

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  45. The opposite of honky by tepples · · Score: 1

    All military terms are honky

    Then does that make all civilian terms niggar...dly?

  46. CyberSecurityCyberCyberChiefofCyber by algae · · Score: 1

    For the love of $DIETY why the fuck is it that the government feels the need to call anything that has the slightest thing to do with information technology "Cyber." I'm cybersick of cybermorons in cybergovernment cyberthinking they cyberknow cyberanything about cyberanything.

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    1. Re:CyberSecurityCyberCyberChiefofCyber by AgentSmith · · Score: 1

      Let's deal with the McSecurity after going to McDonald's for a McPizza Mmmckay?

  47. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by grcumb · · Score: 1

    This couldn't be a political ploy to appear to be reaching across the gender isle to fill an ambiguous position with no real future impact on society, could it?

    'Gender Isle'. That's inadvertent genius.

    Okay, seriously, she does have serious military training, pretty decent database chops, and she did create cocaine traffic flow models for the government in the past. That leads me to believe that:

    • She knows a thing or two about geek stuff.
    • She has a pretty high security clearance.
    • She could probably kill you with her bare hands.

    Conclusion: Probably best to show a little respect.

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  48. Cybersecurity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, it's not me ?

  49. Re:Well, it's a good bet... by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of the more than eight thousand appointments to government positions that Obama has made, a grand total of somewhere around fifteen to twenty have approached or passed the no lobbyist line he drew and two or three had tax issues*. So do enlighten me as to where making the strictest promise to fight lobbyist influence in history and then keeping it 99.75% (with another .2% not technically falling afoul) made the near-discontinuous jump into the idea that he's intentionally appointing foxes to guard henhouses the same way Bush did?

    * Though I do find it most out of character that "no-drama Obama" missed that shit

  50. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by polle404 · · Score: 1

    appointed by the most powerful man in the world

    What, Hu Jintao http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Jintao appointed her?

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  51. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

    you might just get some true, no kiss-ass, answers for once

    ...but you'll most likely be Goatse'd to Hell and back.

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  52. Re:What's the difference between a "cybersecurity. by kayditty · · Score: 0

    pareidolia &c.

  53. She doesn't even have an IT degree by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    She's a political wonk and a holdover from the Bush homeland security team. The woman doesn't even have an IT degree (the closest thing she has is a "special certificate in Information Operations" from the military).

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  54. Is it me? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
    I read this headline and I originally through it said he was hiring "Miss Hathaway".

    I started picturing in my mind...Mr. Drysdale yelling at her that she's spending too much money on her projects while she trys to garner Jethro's romantic insterests....and getting invited that evening for some of Granny's possum stew.

    Oh well...it sure made thinking about the next 4 years more entertaining, that's for sure...

    :)

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  55. "Cybersecurity chief" is a senior position? by EWAdams · · Score: 1

    How would you know? It didn't exist until a minute ago. It's certainly not cabinet-level, or there would be confirmation hearings.

    My point is that most IT people, regardless of their gender, are "cybersecurity chiefs" -- that is, they're responsible for the security of their systems. What makes this one so special?

    Most women are too smart to go into IT. As we all know from personal experience, it's a rotten job with too much responsibility, not enough authority, and zero upward mobility.

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    1. Re:"Cybersecurity chief" is a senior position? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      What makes this one so special?

      She, like other 'X czars', is in charge of coordinating X across various departments and whatnot. She'll be making sure that consistent security policies exist at all levels of the executive branch's computers, hopefully with some level of standardization. She probably will also be a direct point of contact for people with security concerns about said computers, for both people within and without the executive branch.

      She's also a public face for this Administration's computer security policies. Aka, she's ready to be the scapegoat if things don't work. And going to Congress with legislation that is needed.

      At least, that's from what I'm guessing based on what 'czars' do.

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  56. Re:Well, it's a good bet... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

    I think it's worth mentioning that failing to vet isn't really an ethics violation either.

    The people with tax problems whose he's suggested have not ended up in those positions, which isn't a 'ethics failure' so much as, um, an 'ethics success'.

    Meanwhile, I find this level of scrutiny amazing. Bush had incredibly dodgy people in positions of power and no one seemed to say anything about it.

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  57. Progress vs. end-goals by jonaskoelker · · Score: 1

    If she can be judged on her achievements without mentioning her gender, that'll be real progress.

    Wouldn't that be the end goal rather than progress towards it?

  58. Re:Well, it's a good bet... by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

    intentionally appointing foxes to guard henhouses the same way Bush did?

    WHAT foxes? WHAT henhouses? Citations, please (far-left sources, bloggers and other mentally unstable conspiracy nuts don't count) or it never happened.

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  59. MOD PARENT +5 Funny! by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

    ROFL!!

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  60. Re:Well, it's a good bet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think generally you shouldn't appoint a guy with tax issues to run the IRS.

  61. This is a joke, right? by Viewsonic · · Score: 1

    The people at the top of the chain rarely have any sort of degree within IT. For any business. It would be a total waste of their degree being in such a position, and would probably end up making them, if anything, unqualified for the position.

  62. Back in Soviet Russia by sslk · · Score: 1

    Earlier in her career, Ms. Hathaway was employed with the consulting firm Evidence Based Research, where she performed research and developed databases to track economic and political issues in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union, developed a model to detect the routes and modes and to estimate the quantities of cocaine movement into the United States, and studied other key issues in support of the Intelligence Community.

    hmm... worked in relation to soviet russia... now is a tsar... and in breaking news russia is creating its own OS... coincidence? i think not.

  63. Czarina is more common by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Since we've been calling the previous people Czars rather than Tsars, the corresponding anglicization of a russianized roman title would be Czarina rather than Tsarina or Tsaritsa.

    (Or "Ocarina" if you prefer? :-)

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  64. Isn't that slander? by Snaller · · Score: 1

    I mean modding the parent post "Informative" ? :)

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  65. Re:Well, it's a good bet... by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 1

    <30 seconds of Google queries>
    <5 minutes of sorting out the most egregious and obvious examples>

    Named the senior lobbyist of the National Association of Manufacturers to head the CPSC
    Named the former CEO of Goldman Sachs to head the treasury
    Recess-appointed coal mine executive Richard Stickler to be mine safety czar
    First energy secretary Spencer Abraham once called for the end of the Dept. of Energy

    Among dozens of others chosen straight out of lobbying or industry positions to regulate the very things they lobbied for, or who wanted to destroy the agencies they were tasked with running, or who had no qualifications to be there outside of having business or sexual relations with other Bush cabinet members. Seeing as this is all a matter of public record, I'll let you do your own 30 seconds of Googling.

  66. Re:Well, it's a good bet... by csartanis · · Score: 1

    I find your willful blindness appalling.

  67. WHAT foxes? WHAT henhouses? by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

    So, with the exception of Spencer Abraham, he named people with actual experience and knowledge of the industry in question to watch over it.

    (yawn)

    I repeat the question: WHAT foxes? WHAT henhouses?

    So far, all you've provided are examples of Mr. Bush appointing competent people. Why am I not surprised?

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  68. Re:Well, it's a good bet... by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

    I find your willful blindness appalling.

    And I find your refusal to think for yourself even more appalling. Before you call someone else "blind," check your facts. And read Plato's parable of the Cave while you're at it.

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  69. Re:Well, it's a good bet... by Tyrannicsupremacy · · Score: 1

    you can all but hear the sharp snap of fine gloves hitting cheeks in this thread...

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