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Cory Doctorow Calls Death To Music, Movies, Print

An anonymous reader writes "Boing Boing editor Cory Doctorow depicts an unfortunate near-future for a handful of media industries being transformed or killed by the Internet. Predicting a large-scale transformation of the music, movie, book, and newspaper industry, Doctorow says, 'The Internet chews up media and spits them out again. Sometimes they get more robust. Sometimes they get more profitable. Sometimes they die.' While the Internet has the potential to help the dying book industry, for example, Doctorow predicts the 'imminent collapse' of the American newspaper industry because advertisers are uninterested in spending money on the remaining offline readership, such as senior citizens, who prove less valuable."

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  1. That's just a bit premature... by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a place for a whole multitude of media. Television news didn't eliminate the newspaper, and neither will the internet. Change it, of course, eliminate, no way !

    1. Re:That's just a bit premature... by koyote-eliot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Minimal Logistics - Television is dissimilar to Newspaper in many respects, whereas the Web can perform the functions of both, FOR FREE. No publication money, broadcast license, nor big ad revenue needed, and minimal startup costs. It's just a better wheelbarrow. So why cry because the old rusted out expensive wheelbarrow is going away?

      the problem with this argument is that the Internet is not "free". There are real costs involved, and a major but hidden cost is the development of content, especially news journalism.

      Sending someone to report on conditions in some remote area of the world doesn't happen for free. That person has to be transported, fed, clothed. Also needs some training in writing skills, probably photography. Maybe videography as well. All of that costs money. So does the cell phone, land line, or whatever means used to connect that person to online resources that are used to file the story, whether it goes into a print or online newspaper.

      That old rusted wheelbarrow still provides the majority of reporting that allows the chatterati to expound on subjects that they have no means to access otherwise. In the meantime, we pay every time our eyeballs are assaulted by the growing screen real estate taken by advertisers, in exchange for our "free" web.

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    2. Re:That's just a bit premature... by turkeydance · · Score: 4, Interesting

      television did eliminate evening edition newspapers. just like radio eliminated the "extra,extra read all about it" extra editions. in my opinion, this is the future of newspapers: 1. Free print editions...less pages and really just an advertisement "teaser" for the online version. 2. Admission of liberal/etc. editorial viewpoints and publish to that niche or demographic. forget about being objective or even lying about it. 3. Huge reduction in staffing. elimination of sports/weather/entertainment sections. yes, they will "cover" them, but only as "contract" services such as ESPN/TWC/TMZ.

    3. Re:That's just a bit premature... by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's utter nonsense. Doctrow is a self important blowhard who, for reasons unknown, people think is actually relevant.

      I watched a lecture from David Simon (creator of "The Wire", former journalist etc...) on this very subject, and his was the exact opposite opinion. That the Internet can't ever replace newspapers and proper reporting. Smaller newspapers will fold (no pun intended) but larger ones will always exist. I remember one comment was "How many bloggers are embedded in Falujah?"

      It's a very good lecture, but I'd recommend avoiding it if you've not seen at least the first four seasons of "The Wire" due to potential spoilers, but really "The Wire" is the jumping off point for the lecture, not the subject.

      I believe this is it. USC Lecture

    4. Re:That's just a bit premature... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Trouble is, the internet doesn't have to be a good replacement in order to end up replacing newspapers. If the Times could only afford to embed reporters in dusty warzones because of classified ad revenue, and their classifieds department has been gutted, well, I guess there won't be any more reporters out there, will there?

      That is my concern. I hope that the virtues of newspapers will carry through; but it is far from assured. Things like foreign and political reporting, and stuff that pisses off possible advertisers, are socially vital; but they are cost centers in the strictly financial sense. They could, fairly easily, end up just being eliminated, without replacement.

    5. Re:That's just a bit premature... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      1. Free print editions...less pages and really just an advertisement "teaser" for the online version.

      That's an interesting turnabout. I used to mostly see online newspapers & magazines that were advertisement teasers for the printed version. And I suspect the printed version isn't afraid to put a full page advertisement on, which does allow some continuity of revenue even though the classifieds ink is less.

      A trend in our neck of the woods (Victoria, Australia) is for a thriving community newspaper industry. The adverts are tied to very local businesses - e.g. your local tyre store, not national or international brands. This sense of connectedness with folks within driving distance means a closely tied advertising demographic. The trend for these newspapers is to get thicker, not thinner, and they're distributed free. So it appears for close community work, printed newspapers are still a viable concern.

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    6. Re:That's just a bit premature... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sending someone to report on conditions in some remote area of the world doesn't happen for free.

      And why exactly do we need to send someone to a "remote area" to report on conditions when there are already people in those remote locations who are quite capable of telling the story?

      What's really dying here is the colonial idea that only a white man who speaks English with a US accent can tell the truth. We used to only believe a story when we heard it come from Walter Cronkite. You want to hear about the Middle East? You think you're going to get a truer story from CNN or Al Jazeera? Or even better, from Mahmoud who lives in Basra.

      No, there's no need to send Wolf Blitzer, no matter how dashing he may look in his clever little vest with all the pockets.

      Plus, considering the fat lot of truth we got out of the big news organizations during the run up to the Iraq War or the election of 2004, I'm not sure I'm prepared to believe a single fucking thing that comes out some high-toned foreign news bureau.

      If newspapers die it will not be because of the internet, but rather because they long ago stopped serving their main function and became outlets for national pundits who have all the veracity of a west-side pimp.

      Great example just last week: George Will wrote some hack piece for the Washington Post on global warming that had exactly four data points in it, and each one of those facts was wrong. Do you think the "ombudsman" of the Washington Post is going to print a correction? No, because it's supposed to be an "opinion piece". Well, as the man said, you have the right to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

      Here's a safe rule of thumb: If a news agency is owned by a large corporation, it's not worth a good god damn and cannot be trusted, even for the weather report. It's a shame, but they're the ones that broke faith, not us readers.

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    7. Re:That's just a bit premature... by digitig · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I remember one comment was "How many bloggers are embedded in Falujah?"

      Just out of interest, how many (western) newspaper journalists were embedded in Falujah? The pattern across the board is for newspapers to keep cutting journalists on-the-ground, depending on hacks sub-editing Associated Press releases (and Associated Press seem to be constantly cutting journalists too). The reason internet bloggers recycling second-hand stories is a real threat to the newspaper industry is that that's just what the newspapers themselves have been doing for quite a while now. It's an enlightening excercise to pick a story and compare the actual text across different newspapers to see how many phrases are identical -- it's usually quite high. The stuff that newspapers still tend to do for themselves is the entertainment, gossip and sport. It's a lot cheaper to send a reporter to a celeb party or a big match than to a war zone -- it might even be free: some papers have been running punter reviews of concerts for years, and reader-generated content seems to be increasing.

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    8. Re:That's just a bit premature... by rho · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How many bloggers are embedded in Falujah

      Dunno if he was in Falujah or not.

      The disruption that the Internet lowers the cost of having your voice heard to near zero. The newspaper's advantage isn't that they have reporters. The newspaper's advantage is that they have editors.

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    9. Re:That's just a bit premature... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trouble is, the internet doesn't have to be a good replacement in order to end up replacing newspapers. If the Times could only afford to embed reporters in dusty warzones because of classified ad revenue, and their classifieds department has been gutted, well, I guess there won't be any more reporters out there, will there?

      That is my concern. I hope that the virtues of newspapers will carry through; but it is far from assured. Things like foreign and political reporting, and stuff that pisses off possible advertisers, are socially vital; but they are cost centers in the strictly financial sense. They could, fairly easily, end up just being eliminated, without replacement.


      The time when privately run, for profit news actually served a socially noble purpose, if they ever did exist, are long gone.

      If you want such things to exist, they need to be socialized, and they need to be transparent, and accountable, and dedicated exclusively to a higher social purpose. Even then it's hard to prevent them being corrupted.

      Media companies are propaganda machines. They're staffed by the people who brought you the cold war. They're nothing but groups of evil manipulators, and it's good that they're going to die.

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    10. Re:That's just a bit premature... by Hooya · · Score: 3, Interesting

      > Sending someone to report on conditions in some remote area of the world doesn't happen for free.

      I used to think the same thing. Until this past Sunday when a TV station played the footage of the Meteor fireball..

      That was an epiphany for me that posed the question of do we really need journalists to be sent out to where the news is?

      In the days past, cameras were bulky and expensive, satellite up-links were required to upload content and needed entire van full of equipment to make that happen. You couldn't equip enough people - you needed a trained few.

      When spontaneous events took place, all that could be mustered was a commentary and some interviews after the fact.

      Yet, this last Sunday, someone filming a marathon on (presumably) their camera phone, caught the action live, uploaded it and the news stations picked it up. No need for after-the-fact commentary and interviews to 'recreate' what happened. We were able to see what actually happened - not an embellished recount of the events.

      The TV station, in a small way, became the "chatterati" you speak of. They used footage from a person at the scene. Didn't have the send out reporters.

      Now, take any part of the world.. why couldn't the people that are already there report it? Before the internet came along, the cost of sending someone there to get you the report was small compared to trying to equip someone that was already there and then to retrieve the material. Not anymore. People have access to usable cameras. Have the means to upload it to the internet. The internet has the ability to 'ship' it around the world.

      You needed trained journalists because they were few (dictated by the resources needed to equip them, provide travel for them etc.) and needed the ability to cover wide range of events, topics etc. When you have everyone with the ability to 'report', presumably, they will be the familiar enough with the subject matter..

      Anyhow, the sanctity of 'journalism', at least to me, is quickly eroding. Most news outlets don't have a 'journalist' to begin with - they have opinionated pundits who just found a bullhorn. But I digress.

    11. Re:That's just a bit premature... by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually I think it is pointing out a serious weakness that newspapers have had for a LONG time, and that is the lack of local journalism and the rehashing of old news. All the local papers that I have seen lately, both at the city and state level, have almost nothing to interest the local reader and instead just rehash the same old wire stories that everyone else does.

      Now this could work in the days before the Internet simply because most of us didn't have access to the wire services so it was that or the 30 second soundbites on the evening news. Now we can get the wire services just as fast as they can, so by the time they have rehased it(while adding little to no value to the story themselves) it is old news and nobody cares. So to me this period is just separating the wheat from the chaff. The smart ones will hire good local reporters and advertise stories that are of interest to local citizens and will probably flourish, albeit with a smaller readership than before, but even that can be supplemented with a good online presence, while the ones that simply regurgitate what they get from AP will die out, and rightly so. This is simply the bad ones that have been coasting for far too long getting what has been coming for a long time now.

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    12. Re:That's just a bit premature... by Elder+Lane+Hour · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And why exactly do we need to send someone to a "remote area" to report on conditions when there are already people in those remote locations who are quite capable of telling the story?

      So true. And why would we need Woodward and Bernstein, when we could simply look at Nixon's or Deep Throat's blog?

    13. Re:That's just a bit premature... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's utter nonsense. Doctrow is a self important blowhard who, for reasons unknown, people think is actually relevant.

      And how are you any different? Everyone has a right to their opinion, and some think that others want to hear it. You obviously thought that someone wanted to hear yours. I guess the difference is that he is a successful author whose words people actually pay to read, and you're just some asshole on the net.

    14. Re:That's just a bit premature... by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, should we get news about NASA just by taking the word of insiders at NASA?

      If you'd *ever* been involved with the press covering something technical, you'd know that the press would be more accurate if they just made up their stories whole-cloth. The whole "sending the j-school major to interview the rocket scientists" thing actually *lowers* the accuracy of the result below straight fiction.

      This is the primary reason that the newspaper industry is dying. The don't add any value. The lie that there is some sort of "editorial fact checking" is exposed every days by blogs that actually have a clue, and really I can get plenty *opinions* for free on the internet. I think "the news" in general, even though cable news neworks scale better, is going to feel the pressure next.

      Sending a reporter to a war zone, who then hides in his hotel and reports gossip, isn't really helping much. That's the appeal of the "Joe the Plumber now the Journalist" gimmick: at least he's walking around talking to the man on the street, which might not by insightful political analysis, but *at least* you get to hear what the man on the street would be blogging.

      I'd far rather read the rocket scientists blog (even if I only understood half of it) than the crap some journalist thinks he heard. I'd far rather hear the political rants of a ramdom Israeli or Palistinian raw (even if I had difficulty with cultural context) than some journalist's spin on the man on the street's spin! The man on the street will certainly have a political axe to grind, but at least it won't be ground on American politics - two degrees of spin just makes my head spin.

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    15. Re:That's just a bit premature... by damburger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You fail to notice that many of the posters there are from corporations, all too eager to cash in on racism and xenophobia to squeeze more out of their workers. Not that there is much difference in the US though - your government and business elites are so intertwined it is near impossible to separate them.

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    16. Re:That's just a bit premature... by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If the editors aren't even able to spot the obvious errors or even invoke a spell checker it eventually becomes obvious to even normal people that the editors probably aren't there any more. If an article isn't even spell checked it probably wasn't fact checked any better.

      Mainstream news editors seem to serve mostly to fuck stories up. (I use this as my example because I'm quoted in it.) That particular article is a gentle example - we'll never see this sort of thing presented for an important story. They don't let people who would do this write those. Even so they changed the article substantially to demonize and sensationalize. In they process they actually made it less grammatically correct.

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    17. Re:That's just a bit premature... by genner · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People crave reasonably accurate news. Someone will find a way to make a buck giving it to them.

      People crave news that agrees with there particular world view. Hence...Fox.

  2. Re:Death of the newspaper is overrated by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Where did the eventual first link in the chain end up coming from? A newspaper.

    No, it came from a newspaper company's website. Newspapers _are_ dying, and the companies that own them are currently shifting to other media for their reporters to publish news.

  3. Re:Death of the newspaper is overrated by xilmaril · · Score: 4, Insightful

    http://www.groklaw.net/ or perhaps http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/ and for that matter, I know it's from the original sources, but how about: http://trial.thepiratebay.org/ . These are all investigative bloggers! zing!

  4. Re:news @ 11 by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Time magazine recently had a very good article about this. It's spread across 4 pages, so here's the important part:

    "The key to attracting online revenue, I think, is to come up with an iTunes-easy method of micropayment. We need something like digital coins or an E-ZPass digital wallet -- a one-click system with a really simple interface that will permit impulse purchases of a newspaper, magazine, article, blog or video for a penny, nickel, dime or whatever the creator chooses to charge..."

    "...Admittedly, the Internet is littered with failed micropayment companies. If you remember Flooz, Beenz, CyberCash, Bitpass, Peppercoin and DigiCash, it's probably because you lost money investing in them..."

    "...Under a micropayment system, a newspaper might decide to charge a nickel for an article or a dime for that day's full edition or $2 for a month's worth of Web access. Some surfers would balk, but I suspect most would merrily click through if it were cheap and easy enough..."

    "...I say this not because I am "evil," which is the description my daughter slings at those who want to charge for their Web content, music or apps. Instead, I say this because my daughter is very creative, and when she gets older, I want her to get paid for producing really neat stuff rather than come to me for money or decide that it makes more sense to be an investment banker."

  5. he might be right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What pisses me off about these blogs (techdirt is another), is how doggone smug they seem about the whole thing, with the implication that they (the bloggers) have found a business model that works for writers and creative artists; everyone else needs to get with it and adopt a similar approach.

    But the bloggers' business model depends on linking to other people's content, which is usually produced by non-blogging professionals. Almost anyone with a college degree and a few years' background in an industry can spend 15 minutes writing a provocative summary about some story in the news, or someone else's work. Nobody is going to pay to read these blogs, since similar quality posts on the same subjects can be easily found by googling. Frankly, what these industry bloggers do has little to do with either creativity or journalism (or economics, in the case of techdirt).

    Who is going to pay for the original piece of investigative journalism, specialized analysis, or original creative work? Should everyone under 35 in one of these businesses start applying to law school?

  6. TV has no classified ads by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Television news didn't eliminate the newspaper

    That's because ads in television are directed to the mass market, while newspapers carry classified ads. With the internet full of advertisements which are easier to search and read than newspaper classified ads, there's that much less motivation to buy printed papers.

  7. Risk of Death Spiral by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Obviously, certain aspects of the internet threaten newspapers(Hi Craigslist!) chiefly through hitting their ad and classifieds revenue, and in siphoning off some readers.

    Beyond that, though, I fear that the papers' response to this will, in many cases, be what ends up killing(or at least mutilating beyond recognition) them. Essentially, the problem is this: High quality news reporting is more expensive than printed trash reporting, vapid gossip, and opinion. On the internet, vapid gossip and opinion are free. So, the newspapers' costs are always going to be higher than the internet's costs. However, if the newspapers move to cut costs by cutting back on good reporting, the quality of their product will go down, and the value proposition of paper will become even weaker in comparison to web.

    I hope that at least some paper news sources will be able to swim upstream, instead of trying to out-cut the internet(which they'll never be able to do) and differentiate themselves by providing high quality reporting that classic internet sources don't. If, though, the papers just keep cutting quality in order to attempt to match price with the web, they will deserve their own inevitable deaths.

    1. Re:Risk of Death Spiral by Phoenix666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I must say that the race to the bottom began a long time ago when newspapers stopped doing original reporting in favor of rehashing AP articles and started doing more fluff and spin. They are the ones who devalued their product, because it was cheaper and easier to do and because it puffed up the owners' ideological egos (read: Rupert Murdoch). So why not get equally vapid content and chatter on the web for free?

      Anyone who wants real news will turn to the BBC, CBC, NPR, PBS, or foreign-language publications like Der Spiegel. And because they do something valuable, they will survive.

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  9. a bit optimistic about the printed page, aren't we by Simulant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    FTA:

    for many kinds of books -- long-form narratives, for instance -- reading off a screen is a poor substitute for a cheap and easy-to-buy codex...

    Me thinks the author is being a bit biased since this is what he writes. I hate to break it to you Cory but long-form narratives are EXACTLY what an e-book reader is good for. They are not good for reference material because random access is too slow. (at this stage, they just can't compete with thumbing through a printed text-book, programming manual or travel guide) They might be ok for newspapers & magazines if anyone ever decides to format them properly. BUT, they are absolutely perfect for novels and anything else that you'd care to read from cover to cover.

    I don't know that e-book readers are for everyone but if you love to read and you travel a lot, it's great to be able to lug an entire library of books with you in one very small package. On any given trip, I can bring, on my reader, more than enough reading material for myself, a bunch of children's books to read to my daughter, and maybe an audio-book and some music for good measure.

    After a year with it, I can't say that I miss the printed page at all... and don't get me started on what I can find to read on the internet for free....

    Finally, they cost about $270 now and dropping. Be afraid.

  10. Content @ 11 by Ostracus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I hate to be blunt but this is the real reason modern media will have problems. Basically to start with there's an uneducated public when it comes to the process of content creation and profit. Throw in unrealistic expectations. Add in a public armed with the technological tools to bypass any means to recuperate costs. Shake well and you have no one really getting what they want.

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  11. Local News the saviour. by Eth1csGrad1ent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, they have to adapt. They need an online presence. They need a different approach, to marketing and advertising.

    But there are a few things that people seem to forget when making the argument that the internet will kill media as we know it.

    1. Local news. Sorry, but unless a plane drops out of the sky, CNN isn't remotely interested in in Ballarat, Australia - nor do most CNN readers care about the local government elections, or which local VIP has just been arrested for DUI, or who won the district football on the weekend - but I do, and so does our local newspaper.
    While they don't have the circulations of the major world newspapers...the bulk of print news is still regionally based.

    2. Local Advertising. The local plumber doesn't need to or want to advertise to the entire state, country or to the world writ large. He wants to target the people in his immediate area, and the larger newspapers, and TV, are cost prohibitive, and online sites (mostly) don't meet that need. Local businesses and small businesses need a
    centralised local vehicle to push their message.

    2. Content. Someone, somewhere has to generate it. Someone has to follow up on leads and stories, and get the word out. Sure, once the word IS OUT, there is no limit to the number of places online where you can find out about it, but someone had to go out and get the story in the first place, check the facts, and filter it down to a piece that most people can digest. THIS is where newspapers must head if they want to survive.
    They need to be going out and getting the in-depth investigations and stories that their competitors don't have, and stop relying on regurgitating the same stories that everyone else has.

    If a plane drops into the Hudson, or a bushfire kills hundreds in Australia, its covered.. by everyone.. and I can find information on it everywhere. Its the local impact or other local events IN ADDITION TO the major news items, that push me to select one news organisation over another, and one medium over another, for day to day consumption.

    As long as people still want to sit down with a coffee to read through the week's news, local, national, international, and do the crosswords, read the comics etc., newspapers will be around. People enjoy sitting down and flicking through a paper at their leisure, and you can't do that online. Having said that, one does not preclude the other - they're different beasts.

  12. Re:Death of the newspaper is overrated by ucblockhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It depends on how you define "newspaper". Yes, the physical news sheet with printed text that arrives every morning may die. However, in fifty years, the "New York Times" will still exist as a news organization.

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  13. Re:don't forget radio... by David+McBride · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can bash the man if you like, but you'd be more convincing if you laid off the ad hominem attacks and got your facts straight:

    This latest is just the gasp of a flunkie, uneducated has-been science fiction author whose work is so spectacularly bad that he had never had a commercially successful work.

    On the contrary; his latest novel "Little Brother" made the New York Times Bestseller list (Childrens), reaching the #8 spot after 6 weeks. It's had multiple print runs, been published in both the US and the UK, where they've sold well, and has been nominated for and granted a range of literary awards.

    I'd say that qualifies as a commercially successful work by any reasonable definition!

  14. Kiosks by opencity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... with custom papers. I go to my news stand and order up a paper, AP, NYT, Nature, NBA, Premiership, brassiere ads, lots of cartoons and comic strips (that's what I want). The size allows for bigger pretty pictures than my laptop. It's paper so I don't worry about spilling coffee on it or reading it in a crowd or leaving it in a restaurant. I do the puzzles and drop the paper off at a news stand where a magic process strips the ink with a minimum of energy and water foot print. The paper is recycled.

    Sci Fi I know, so flame away.

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  15. Hardly "nonsense" and Doctorow's quite relevant. by jbn-o · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's utter nonsense. Doctrow is a self important blowhard who, for reasons unknown, people think is actually relevant.

    It's hard to see how your criticism is correct. Doctorow hedges a lot in this essay (one's "favorite medium" will be "devoured, transformed, or destroyed". That covers a lot of possibilities). But even if he's wrong in this essay, your criticism is unjustified and overly harsh: Doctorow is a writer making his money from selling books one can download free, something long thought impossible in the 'why pay for what you can get for free' philosophy. He is walking the talk showing us through his example how one can license liberally, make a living with a huge online component to one's work, and sustain this for years on end. Perhaps there's a message in there for the proprietors of movies, newspapers, TV, and music.

    That the Internet can't ever replace newspapers and proper reporting.

    One hopes the lecturer didn't conflate such different things as you just did. There's nothing categorically improper about the reporting going on online, and there's nothing categorically proper about reporting in print. Newspapers can switch to online publication and offer the same caliber of reporting they offer now. It's not the quality of reporting that prevents newspaper publishers from losing their print publications. The New York Times, for instance, can continue to lie about the most important issue of the day while punishing authors of far less important articles in ridiculous public displays (Judith Miller versus Jayson Blair) whether they do it in print or online. The medium can change and the reportage can remain the same.

    "How many bloggers are embedded in Falujah?"

    That doesn't strike me as nearly important as asking: How many reporters are independent? How many are not embedded with the military? How many are failing to present a "difficult public face for [their media organization] in a time of war" or judging their effectiveness by comparing to competitors who are "waving the flag at every opportunity"? Phil Donahue's CNBC show was cancelled for the reasons quoted in these last two quotes, according to a leaked internal memo. I don't recall most of the major news outlets telling us much about the millions on the streets of the world protesting the US invasion of Iraq before it began. I recall them getting head counts wrong and ignoring well-spoken war critics lest their contrary views gain mainstream exposure and thus legitimizing them in the views of those who consume nothing but corporate news. I don't recall good corporate news analysis of the run-up to the war before or after Col. Powell's lies to the UN. Instead, I recall seeing a strong imbalance of views on-air favoring pro-war voices. Some of the most valuable journalism about this war has come from unembedded independent journalists on far less-widely seen shows like "Democracy Now!". It seems to me that the medium isn't the critical factor here, what the news organization says is.

  16. Doctorow doesn't know what he's talking about by yelvington · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a rash of hyperbolic commentary lately about the "death of newspapers" from people who have no idea what they're talking about. Doctorow's post is just one more float in the parade.

    In the United States, the typical newspaper is fundamentally a local-regional advertising business. Local and regional advertising is changing, but it's not going away.

    The typical American newspaper produces a portfolio of print (daily, weekly, monthly) and online products. These include both mass and targeted media. It turns an annual profit (not a loss) ranging from 10 to 20 percent. The ad revenues alone -- not counting print circulation --roll up to a $45 billion annual total nationwide.

    Some newspapers are losing money and will close this year. But the more common situation is a publisher cutting staff, pagecount and sometimes even frequency in order to maintain profit margins so that corporate finance requirements can be maintained.

    Corporate finance is the real problem. Over the last 20 years, newspaper owners borrowed heavily to buy more newspapers (and take over other chains), assuming that historically aberrant profit margins -- sometimes in the 35 to 45 percent range or even higher -- would continue forever.

    The current business recession has suddenly placed those debt-laden companies in peril. Lee Enterprises, which recently narrowly avoided bankruptcy by renegotiating some loans, actually turned an operating profit of over 20 percent last year.

    I'm not in denial about the effects of the Internet. They are real and serious, but they are longterm, and they are not the cause of the crisis currently facing newspapers, regardless of the self-serving BS being spread by various media pundits.

    The irony is that the financial crisis has awakened slumbering newsrooms and sales forces, while robbing them of the resources they need to respond to those longterm challenges.

    Ever since I left print and moved to the online side of journalism in 1994, I've been battling people who had their head in the sand about the importance of the changes in media caused by the Internet.

    No more. Confusion and bewilderment, yes. Denial, no.

    I fully expect to see some big bankruptcies in the next several months. Journal Register Co. declared bankruptcy Saturday, following the overleveraged (Chicago) Tribune Co. and the Minneapolis Star Tribune in seeking protection from creditors. Some big dailies, such as the Seattle Post-Intelligencer and the Rocky Mountain News, will close, along with a lot of weeklies.

    But hundreds of other papers will continue to operate profitably.

    Among them, some will be smart enough to invest in creating new products that are more aligned with our net-connected and increasingly mobile lives.

    [Note: Worrying about this stuff is my day job. You can follow me on twitter or at my blog.]

  17. 10 years late? by Sir+Holo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Isn't Cory's brilliant insight coming about 10 years late?

  18. Are you kidding me? by bXTr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This from someone who works for a website that believes they can actually "unpublish" something. Can I "unpublish" this comment after submitting it? No.

    Yes, it's their website. Yes, they can do what they want with it. That's not the point. Anyone who believes they can just "unpublish" something after they've already put it out on the Internet for all to see isn't someone I would listen to about things like this.

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  19. Re:he got there on the backs of boingboing retards by Draek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For chrissakes, sales volume is not about quality;

    If you wanted to talk about quality, you shouldn't have used the phrase "comercially successful".

    Of course, if you had you would've been inmediately told that quality in these kind of things is completely subjective. I, personally, didn't like "Little Brother" but loved "Down and out on the Magic Kingdom" and I like most of his short stories, so I'd qualify him as a good writer overall but again, that's just me.

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  20. if it weren't for boing-boing? by alizard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Did you think boing-boing appeared from nowhere? Or slashdot? The reasons why either site can be used as a commercial promotion tool is because handfuls of people built each site, and people came. In boing-boing's case, Cory was one of the handful.

    You think slashdot useless? Why are you here?

    Perhaps if you had anything worthwhile to say, you might be able to build a site around your own content with enough traffic to build a marketable community around. I expect hell to freeze over first.

    The only real fail in that article is that Doctorow didn't project the impact of low-cost high-quality e-book readers on what he personally does for a living. I expect to see print books as a mass medium a decade from now just as much as I expect the horse and buggy to replace the auto for long-distance commuting.