The Chinese (Web Servers) Are Coming

Glyn Moody writes "The February 2009 Netcraft survey is not the usual 'Apache continues to trounce Microsoft IIS' story: there's a new entrant — from China. 'This majority of this month's growth is down to the appearance of 20 million Chinese sites served by QZHTTP. This web server is used by QQ to serve millions of Qzone sites beneath the qq.com domain.' What exactly is this QZHTTP, and what does it all mean for the world of Web servers?"

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[FredFredrickson]

Self Censoring Web servers! Automatically removes all politically sensitive info for you! This will catch on quick, I bet!

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[UID30]

Self Censoring Web servers! Automatically removes all politically sensitive info for you! This will catch on quick, I bet!

pfft. I've had this running as an apache module for years. mod_bigbrother ftw.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Self Censoring Web servers! Automatically removes all politically sensitive info for you! This will catch on quick, I bet!

um, that's not funny. it's serious. or insightful.

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[Shakrai]

mod_Obama

Naw, a Democratic President would never condone internet censorship. Only a Republican President would ever sign something like that into law.

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[guyminuslife]

Sure, it can handle heavy loads, but how quickly can your web server sync its logs with gov.cn?

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[blhack]

I don't know why you're being modded "flamebait" (okay, yes i do).

Have people really got their heads that far up their ass? Look around you. Look at what Obama is doing. Every time that this guy gets on the television the stock market takes a nosedive. The "economic stimulus bill" that he passed is one of the most absurd, destructive, ridiculous things in the history of the American Economy.

So...what is he doing? I mean...not to sound like a conspiracy theorist, hill-dwelling, gun-hoarding psycho here, but if you were going to set yourself up as the dictator of a socialist nation, what would you do?

He got lots and lots and lots and LOTS of support during the election. People fell in love with him. People had an almost religious experience. They were so completely and utterly devoted to anything Obama that he could do no wrong in their eyes.

Then...only a few WEEKS after he gets into office he starts mucking about in the Economy. An economic stimulus bill that almost deliberately nearly a trillion dollars on failing projects. Why? Why would he do that?

Then, during a recession mind you, he decides to INCREASE taxes!? That is one of the most batshit insane fucking things a person can do!

Okay....well then we start seeing things like the "fairness doctrine" popping up. Sounds like a great way of censoring people that don't agree with you, wouldn't you say?

Okay, guys...I promise, I usually poke fun at the people "wake up sheeple!" types, but seriously? Is ANY of this stuff explainable? WTF is going on? What motivation could there possibly be for pretty much everything that he has done if NOT to intentionally drive our country into a crisis?

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[cencithomas]

What motivation could there possibly be for pretty much everything that George W. Bush and co. did if NOT intentionally drive our country into a crisis?

There, fixed that for yez!

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[andymadigan]

He cut taxes, where's the increase you're babbling about? Specify a real, legitimate link. Why are the republicans so mad about this when Bush gave billions to the financial and car industries anyway (talk about failing projects...)?

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[Anonymous Coward]

Dude, get a clue stick. The economy was in a nose dive before he too office.

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[Anonymous Coward]

amadigan@gmail.com

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[blhack]

He cut taxes, where's the increase you're babbling about?

He cut taxes for the wrong people.

Bush gave billions to the financial and car industries anyway

It makes people angry, I know, but trickle-down economics *works*. Giving money to the ultra-rich makes people angry (myself included), but what are those rich people good at? Turning 1 dollar into 20.
Give them a million dollars and watch them create a multi-million dollar job creation machine. People that make $30,000 a year are not out there building wealth and creating jobs. People making $3 million a year, are.

Its simple, its mean, its cold, but it works.

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[morgauo]

I think that was mod_Obama_supporters_with_modpoints

or something like that

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[morgauo]

So that the next, more charismatic president could use the crisis to secure legions of blind followers while serving the same corporate interests of course!

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[andymadigan]

None of that answers the original post that said he raised taxes. You can have your own opinion on trickle-down economics, but that isn't related.

However, you should consider that giving a tax cut to consumers means they will spend money, and they will give the money (in theory) to those which are best equipped to survive, and those businesses will therefore be able to cut jobs.

In any case, giving tax breaks to rich people, rather than corporations, is not the right way to do it. I don't see any millionaire CEOs creating jobs out of their own pocket. They didn't get their millions by writing checks.

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[EgoWumpus]

But it's also funny. Wasn't it Heinlein who posited that all humor is based in pain?

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[Anonymous Coward]

You need to get out more.

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[jimicus]

pfft. I've had this running as an apache module for years. mod_bigbrother ftw.

OK, I admit it, I googled mod_bigbrother to see if it really existed.

It doesn't yet, but given the number of modules that exist for Apache

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[blhack]

However, you should consider that giving a tax cut to consumers means they will spend money, and they will give the money (in theory) to those which are best equipped to survive, and those businesses will therefore be able to cut jobs.

But where do these people spend their money? They're not investing it.

They spend on computers, or televisions. Things built in china. They spend it on cheap, non-american cars. Giving money to the poor is good way of flushing into other economies. Giving it to the rich (in the form of doing things like cutting the capital gains tax) is a great way of keeping the money IN the economy.

This isn't speculation. This is reality. Open a history book and take a look at what happens when you cut taxes for the wealthy and for the corporations that they run, then take a look at what happens when you take the money away from the rich and give it to the poor.

Warm fuzzy feelings or not, giving money to the poor is one of the most idiotic economic moves you can make.

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[andymadigan]

Suppose it's worth pointing out I meant *create* not *cut* jobs. Oops.

In any case, there's currently no tax on long-term capital gains. If corporations need cash, why not cut the corporate income tax, rather than giving money to the rich and hoping they'll invest it?

Investing isn't likely to be the first place anyone would put their money right now. Even the rich might just turn around and buy treasury bonds, or foreign bonds/investments. After all, the "socialist" European countries are more likely to keep their businesses afloat right?

It's true that cutting taxes for the bulk of Americans is unlikely to have much of an effect, it takes an unimaginably large cut to really effect someone's pay meaningfully. The best policy is to free up credit by any means necessary and temporarily bulk up welfare so that intelligent people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own are not left out on the streets. If anyone should get a tax cut, it's probably corporations which create jobs. A good start would be eliminating payroll tax, which effectively taxes businesses for hiring people.

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[Anonymous Coward]

This of course is true as long the majority is not forced under 30$k level because then the only branch of economy that actually sees growth is security firms and prison service.
One must also ask question based on recent events - how much of these 19m$ (to keep your example) is real and how much was value 'added' by finance sector (mostly using spreadsheet software)?

By all means - let people make their business and get rich or super rich but if balance is lost then society dissipates and the only way to keep it together is by violence. This does not happen of course if these 3ok$ people can still provide food for their children and have at least some hope of getting their piece of the cake.

Now to the rationale beyond cutting taxes for different parts of society. I suppose whether you deliver a tax cut to super rich (30+m$) the tax cut does not matter that much as they have means to optimize their tax burden anyway. If you cut taxes for people that have little you have guarantee that they spend at home as they have direct needs they need to address. The same middle class with a difference that they may actually invest the saved income. From what I see tax cuts still cost money but have real effect only in bottom and middle part of society. This of course provided that the system is well balanced (again this word) as overtaxed businesses indeed collapse and those that do not especially small ones may find their progress inhibited. Again the international corporations will find ways to avoid too much burden anyway not because they are evil of course but because they can. So the actual burden is carried by small and middle businesses and that is where tax cuts are felt.
Now you may continue in believing in the system of
tax cuts for super-rich and big corporations but I think you should do what they do - look at your pocket - does the tax cut leave more money in it or not - if it does then it is a good thing for you. I would not worry to much about these super rich that you seem to care so much - they always find ways to survive. It gets unpleasant if small people cannot.

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[LingNoi]

Well done you can type the GPs email address, have a cookie.

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[Fulcrum of Evil]

trickle-down economics *works*.

Yeah, it got Reagan elected. As an economic theory, it's bunk - rich people are rich because they spend a lot less than they earn.

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[billcopc]

Your plugin isn't secure enough. I use mod_devnull.so

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[Major Byte]

trickle-down economics *works*.

Yeah, it got Reagan elected. As an economic theory, it's bunk - rich people are rich because they spend a lot less than they earn.

Correction--Rich people are rich because they earn a lot more than they spend.

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[cheftw]

When you cut misinformation the quality of life goes way up. When you learn unbiased economics the knowledge of you increases.

As for history check out what happens when you oppose free trade, or have a super-rich ruling class for too long, or neglect the poor.

Warm and fuzzy feelings aside, you sir, are an idiot.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yes it works. It gives jobs to people in Dubai, India, and China, all completely irrelevant to the average American.

Trickle down economics doesn't do a single damn thing for the American who is out of work and needing a job. Getting projects done like infrastructure does create American jobs. Look how the US got out of the Great Depression. It wasn't trickle down spending that pulled us out of that, it was getting people to build bridges, roads, and infrastructure.

In previous recessions, the FED was able to use control measures to help things. However, the FED has no more cards to play. Interest rates are at zero percent. Now the FED can't do its job in mitigating recessions, so there isn't a bottom in sight.

Finally, stocks are a zero sum game. What goes up must come down, and right now, the people in the stock market are paying for the other people who made soaring profits in past years.

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[treeves]

Stupid correction: it's the same thing.

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[kiddygrinder]

What's the difference? they're still taking money out of the machine. 100 people on 30k will keep a lot more money moving than 1 person on 3 mill

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[asamad]

Yeah they are making it for themselves.... give th money to the battlers, to get out of the debt cycle.

With a $1M i can make money to, specially with no debt.

Plus its all about who you know as well. The filthy rich hang out with the filthy rich and when they have money to spend they do so through their friends.

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[klenwell]

trickle-down economics *works*.

Yeah, it got Reagan elected. As an economic theory, it's bunk - rich people are rich because they spend a lot less than they earn.

Or, failing that, because they spent a lot before the rest of us caught on.

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[audunr]

Correction--Rich people are rich because they earn a lot more than they spend.

Yes, but only in Soviet Russia.

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[operagost]

Yes; it's called "living within your means" and it's a pretty unpopular concept these days.

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[operagost]

Trickle down economics doesn't do a single damn thing for the American who is out of work and needing a job. Getting projects done like infrastructure does create American jobs. Look how the US got out of the Great Depression. It wasn't trickle down spending that pulled us out of that, it was getting people to build bridges, roads, and infrastructure.

And weapons of war. You see, Hoover bungled it for three years, then FDR socialist policies stagnated us from 1933-1940. It wasn't until we started arming up and lending materials to the UK that things took off. Building infrastructure helped, I do admit. But this time, Congress and the President think they know better and dedicated only a small portion of the spending bill to infrastructure-- even though a year ago people were afraid all our bridges were going to collapse like the one on I-35.

In previous recessions, the FED was able to use control measures to help things.

How exactly, was getting people upside down on mortgages they couldn't afford-- helping?

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[operagost]

Have you noticed how much money Bill Gates is spending lately? How much of your "fortune" did you donate to charity last year?

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, Paris Hilton sure "earned" a lot of her wealth.

--Jeremy

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[Falconhell]

Lets just look recently eh?

Giving money to the rich in the form of tax cuts has left the economy in a great state has it not?

Frankly the naivety of folk who believe in the con called trickle down effect borders on complete stupidity.

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[Anonymous Coward]

You do have to realize that /. is populated by mush-brained, red necked right wingers.

Fixed that for ya.

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[Anonymous Coward]

People that make $30,000 a year are not out there building wealth and creating jobs. People making $3 million a year, are.

You're an idiot. The reason why Microsoft laid off a bunch of people? The volume of computer sales is down. Do you know why? People people who make $30,000 a year are afraid of making luxury purchases like a computer upgrade. The rich people can't create new industries if there's no market for them. People need to have money to make purchases in order for the industries the ultra-rich own to be successful.

Trickle-down economics is bullshit the idiot rich people came up with to make the middle class less angry about giving them tax breaks. I said the idiot rich people because the smart ones know that tax-breaks for them leads to more money in their hands on the short-term but economic ruin in the long-term. That shit is why we're in the economic situation we are now...8 years of Bush tax policies.

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[Celandro]

As for history check out what happens when you oppose free trade, or have a super-rich ruling class for too long, or neglect the poor.

You missed the wikipedia links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

Assuming the poor arent so poor as to be starving to death, the problem for the rich is not the extremely poor, it is the middle class. The poor do not have the means or motivation to revolt so long as they have a job or 2 that provides just enough to cover basic subsistance needs. The middle class on the other hand has been known to kill off all the rich people if inequality gets too great. You can argue that this type of thing causes the middle class to be worse off when its all over but humans tend to judge their position relatively not absolutely.. If all the people richer than you are dead, you are very well off indeed.

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[Anonymous Coward]

It isn't bunk. When rich people buy things, the people selling stuff to them get wealthier. Come to think of it, when poor people buy things, the people selling the stuff to them get wealthier as well. It's how the economy works when government minds its own damn business (a very rare occurrence).

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[shutdown -p now]

Lets just look recently eh?

Giving money to the rich in the form of tax cuts has left the economy in a great state has it not?

Frankly the naivety of folk who believe in the con called trickle down effect borders on complete stupidity

I'm not sure whether GP meant that or not, but he's right in that giving the money in cash to the poor while keeping the rest of the system intact (mortgages etc) does not accomplish anything useful. But giving the money in services (education, health care etc) does.

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[shutdown -p now]

Giving money to the ultra-rich makes people angry (myself included), but what are those rich people good at? Turning 1 dollar into 20.

s/turning/robbing/

Not always, but there are few millionaires out there that are truly "creating jobs".

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[agbinfo]

I agree with some of what you say and disagree with some. However, given the situation Obama has been placed into, it will be very hard to blame him for any of it.

The USA, and due to the influence of its economy on others, many other countries as well, has been placed into a recession by the former president. The current president has to make difficult decisions because of that.

All I'm saying is that maybe the people that supported the previous president should shut the fuck up - they've shown that they don't have the skills to judge the merits of a president. Those that did criticize Bush might want to remember that Obama didn't start the fire. It was already burning when he got the job.

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[agbinfo]

... If anyone should get a tax cut, it's probably corporations which create jobs. A good start would be eliminating payroll tax, which effectively taxes businesses for hiring people.

I'm not an accountant but, if by payroll taxes you mean the taxes that the corporations pay in lieu of the worker, how does that change the total tax burden? In the first scenario, assume an employer hires someone for 100$, pays 10$ in benefits and the employee pays 0$ in benefits. The corporation can deduct 110$ from its revenues and the state gets 10$. If the employer doesn't deduct the 10$ then the state will require the same income and therefore the employer will pay 110$ to the employee who will pay the 10$ to the state. What am I missing?

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[kiddygrinder]

None, but i spent a much larger percentage than your average millionaire.

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[cheesybagel]

The $1 trillion in spending in the Iraq war isn't seemingly helping as much as investment in WWII. But then again, with the Bush administration forcing the military to fund research programs for immediate needs, rather than doing long term research when they want to, had to cause that. I guess in their minds the jet engine (ok that was the British), radar (uh British again), aircraft carriers, nuclear weapons, nuclear power, ICBMs, ARPAnet were pointless wastes of time too. The typical problem of late has been nearsightedness, and Obama isn't improving on that front as much as he should. The military would probably fund investments in alternative fusion and nanotechnology research if they could, but they are hamstrung by policy from above.

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[Mr2001]

You see, Hoover bungled it for three years, then FDR socialist policies stagnated us from 1933-1940. It wasn't until we started arming up and lending materials to the UK that things took off.

This revisionist version of history has been making the rounds lately, but it's false.

FDR's policies got us heading out of the depression, and they worked pretty well. What slowed them down was doing a half-assed job: cutting back and raising taxes in 1937 because he thought balancing the budget was more important than getting the economy back on its feet.

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[cheesybagel]

PS: The army is also interested in an all electric tank (weapon, defensive systems), while the navy is interested in electric powered weapons as well (railguns). Such investments should improve research for pure electric or hybrid transportation, but the tap on investment is a mere drip.

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[MobileTatsu-NJG]

He probably did that so the guy'd receive spam.

If you ever get bored, try taking teh spam armor plating off in Slashdot. You'll start recieving crap almost right away.

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[oldspewey]

You do have to realize that dailytech is populated by mush-brained, red necked right wingers.

Fixed that for ya.

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[n7kv]

What motivation could there possibly be for pretty much everything that George W. Bush and co. did if NOT intentionally drive our country into a crisis?

There, fixed that for yez!

i saw what you did there.

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[skarphace]

It makes people angry, I know, but trickle-down economics *works*. Giving money to the ultra-rich makes people angry (myself included), but what are those rich people good at? Turning 1 dollar into 20.

I'm very curious to know where you think those extra 19 dollars some from. You can't create resources from nothing, so that rich person is gaining those 19 dollars from someone else.

So, give the rich a big tax cut and they'll find a way to use that money to take money from the bottom of this model. I'm not knocking business, this is the model of capitalism. However, you have to worry about the gravity of money. Once you have a certain ammount of money, it's virtually impossible not to make more money from it(even if you just have a savings account). So, to keep society in somewhat of a balance, you have to do things like tax the rich to try and redistribute wealth to some extent.

Give major tax cuts to the people at the bottom of trickle down economics, and it will no doubt still be attracted to the top where people invest millions of dollars. The gravity of money has always been there, and always made the rich richer. They don't need help from the government.

Corrected Story Blurb

[JWSmythe]

... the appearance of 20 million Chinese phisher sites ...

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[pxlmusic]

exactly.

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[VeNoM0619]

This web server is used by QQ to serve millions of Qzone sites beneath the qq.com domain.'

I don't think whoever modded you troll understands the meaning of QQ...

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[Anonymous Coward]

and what does it means venom born on june 19 ?

Re:Corrected Story Blurb

[Anonymous Coward]

Nippon QQ
Ash gala wonderful
Easy rider salad the mall
Who dong hide label
GOO! GOO! GOO! GOO!
BUS! BUS! BUS! BUS!

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[Aladrin]

Last I checked, it was net/phone-slang for 'cry moar.'[sic] As in QQ noob.[siq]

I suspect that isn't what you mean, though.

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[Profane MuthaFucka]

As in, a dozen men stand around a woman and QQ all over her face.

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[the_B0fh]

net/phone-slang ? I tried to emerge that, and nothing happened. Is this a new variant of slang that supports voip? Where can I get it?

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[Anonymous Coward]

I'm also part of this conversation!

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[Anonymous Coward]

nippon kyuu kyuu
demo ashita wa wandahoo
ijiwaru sarete mo
futon haireba
guu! guu! guu! guu!
pasu! pasu! pasu! pasu!
ohayou

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[khellendros1984]

Judging from the name, I'd guess it's a version of phone that supports slang =p

Re:Corrected Story Blurb

[Anonymous Coward]

You must be the first person to ever relate numbers to a date (and assume that's what all 2, 4, 6, or 8 digit numbers relate to)! Congratulations, your expert cryptographer certificate will be mailed to you shortly.

Population growth

[dimethylxanthine]

Didn't they implement the 1 server per company policy some time ago now...?? oh wait.

Re:Population growth

[Anonymous Coward]

Damn, dude. You're either a perv or into child labor.

Re:Population growth

[Anonymous Coward]

It's never too early in the morning for forced abortion jokes.

The GeoCities of China?

[eldavojohn]

Could someone help me out here, I am an ignorant occidental American developer barely able to use English ... I thought QQ was just a messaging program of bloated malware and adware that is insanely popular in China? Has it become (or is it aiming to become) more than that?

Its parent company is a media company ... is this destined to be China's GeoCities era with horrid user generated web content alongside ads and malicious user generated data like GeoCities in the 90s? Or maybe the Myspace/Facebook of China?

What exactly is this QZHTTP?

I honestly don't know. Never heard of it before now, my Google Fu finds nothing in English. Indicating it is most likely propriety to Tancent QQ ...

I hope this didn't affect the IPv4 exhaustion date.

I guess this could also just be a whole lot of fuss over something that will become common place. I mean with the event of virtualization, hilarious 32 core chips due out and predictably cheap storage/memory ... won't every large company soon be able to foot the bill on and house (what appears to be) 20 million web servers? I guess IP addressing, routing & bandwidth will always be a problem but the hardware is sure getting to the point.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[the white plague]

I thought 'QQ' was "round eyes filled with tears".

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[JWSmythe]

    My guess on the QZHTTP thing is that they're simply sending their own banner, rather than that of their real server. It's not exactly rocket science. Anyone who's good enough to handle millions of domains can set one line of configuration I wish we had some examples. The qq.com domain itself, besides being pathetically slow, gives these headers:

telnet www.qq.com 80
Connected to www.qq.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET ? HTTP/1.1

HTTP/1.0 400 Bad Request
Server: squid/2.6.STABLE5
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:17:23 GMT
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 1336
Expires: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:17:23 GMT
X-Squid-Error: ERR_INVALID_URL 0
X-Cache: MISS from rainny.qq.com
Via: 1.0 rainny.qq.com:80 (squid/2.6.STABLE5)
Connection: close

    So, I'd guess they're basing that analysis on the Via or X-Cache lines (or both)

For those who aren't familiar with the headers, this is what it looks like from Slashdot
telnet slashdot.org 80
Trying 216.34.181.45...
Connected to slashdot.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET ? HTTP/1.1

HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:19:49 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.41 (Unix) mod_perl/1.31-rc4
Connection: close
Transfer-Encoding: chunked
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Vary: Accept-Encoding, User-Agent

I'll simpify the rest, and just show the "Server:" line.

Apache.org: Server: Apache/2.2.9 (Unix)
Microsoft: Server: Microsoft-HTTPAPI/2.0
Whitehouse.gov: Server: AkamaiGHost
cnn.com: Server: Apache

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[MightyMartian]

Netcraft confirms it! Apache is dying, to be replaced by Apache!

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[querist]

I don't know about malware in QQ's software, but QQ is much more than just China's answer to Microsoft Messenger.

QQ is a portal site that links to search engines and also provides users a place to create their "home" on the Internet, much like live.com and other sites.

Yes, QQ is insanely popular in China, as is MSN and Yahoo! chat.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Anonymous Conrad]

Try qzone.qq.com rather than just qq.com.

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 17:41:06 GMT
Server: QZHTTP-2.3
Content-type: text/html
Content-length: 1728
Connection: close

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[ObsessiveMathsFreak]

What exactly is this QZHTTP?

I honestly don't know. Never heard of it before now, my Google Fu finds nothing in English. Indicating it is most likely propriety to Tancent QQ ...

Proprietary? Perhaps. But I'd be willing to bet that the codebase is more than likely a fork of Apache or another open source web server, or else a "customised" version of IIS. Copyrights are not a Chinese concept, and I doubt that a site as large as QQ claims to be is running off a web server they rolled themselves.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[omegadraconis]

An NMAP Scan on qq.com flags it as being Apache HTTPD. From my log: "PORT STATE SERVICE VERSION 80/tcp open http Apache httpd |_ HTML title: 302 Found"

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[khellendros1984]

Nope. It's boobs with tassels on the nipples.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Anonymous Coward]

I think you are mistaken here.

The sites in question are not qq.com they are subdomains of .qzone.qq.com
(BTW http://qzone.qq.com/ by itself does not use QZHTTP 2.3 web server software it uses Apache)
like
http://182273490.qzone.qq.com/
Here is the netcraft report for that site:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=182273490.qzone.qq.com

These sites appear to be running on Linux and state they are running QZHTTP-2.3 web server software.

Yes you can edit the banner but often netcraft digs further into it then this (response times, packet information, etc) and doesn't blindly use the banner value.

It is likely to be using a modified version of Apache like Google do with their GWS (Google Web Server) software.

And thus given a separate version of web server software in its own right. So I suspect there has to be a significant changes to the normal operation/code of Apache (or whatever they have modded). It could be a whole new set of web server software but likely a significantly modified version.

Hope it helps

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[TheLink]

My verdict is a modified version of thttpd, see the error message:

telnet qzone.qq.com 80
Trying 58.251.60.181...
Connected to qzone.qq.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET - HTTP/1.0

HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Server: qhttpd
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 235

<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>400 Bad Request</TITLE></HEAD><BODY><H2>400 Bad Request</H2>Your request has bad syntax or is inherently impossible to satisfy.<HR><ADDRESS><A HREF="http://www.tencent.com/">qhttpd Server</A></ADDRESS></BODY></HTML>
Connection closed by foreign host.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[miller60]

Netcraft's actual site report for qq.com shows it using Apache on Linux, so odds are qzhttp is either customized Apache or using altered headers.

Spoofing headers to fool Netcraft is nothing new. Bruce Perens did it with his Open Source Parking project. He was using lighttpd but wanted to help Apache's numbers.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[jerAzevedo]

FYI in English we usually say "western" (eg westerner) not occidental but your english is very good. I don't know if that word is used in Britain but very few Americans would understand that term.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Anonymous Coward]

Two things:

Use netcat, not telnet.
Send a HEAD request, not a bogus GET.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Jamie's Nightmare]

This really isn't that hard.

QQ is indeed an instant messaging service like AIM, MSN, or Yahoo. Just like those sites, each user is given a "homepage" where account owners can post pictures, leave messages, ect.

QQ isn't nearly as bad as depicted on the sometimes untrustworthy Wikipedia. Don't like the built in ADs? Use Tencent Massager, which offers less features but doesn't display an AD window (think AIM)

Tencent Messanger 2008 is what I'm using currently. It actually has a smaller memory footprint that any of the "big 3".

You might also check out the new QQ 2009 Beta, which uses the same streamlined interface. They also, to my dismay, offer a Mac and Linux client as well.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[sohp]

Mod parent up.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[xhanjian]

QQ is not only an instant messenger, it includes games(QQGames and online games), blogs(QZone), news portal(QQ.com), mail service etc. All of its products has a large user base. It's neither malware nor adware.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Anonymous Coward]

I actually have quite a few friends in China. QQ is so early 2000...MSN is more the norm now (not sure why). You are right about it being bloat-ware/malware thought...QQ and MSN. I suppose the server is by the same company Tencent. Not to be confused with the Chinese car manufacture Cherry's QQ.
This must be the Chinese's POA (South Park, anyone?) then...naming everything QQ.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Anonymous Coward]

Balloons floating away from a child's birthday party?

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Arimus]

X-Cache: MISS from rainny.qq.com
Via: 1.0 rainny.qq.com:80 (squid/2.6.STABLE5)
Connection: close

    So, I'd guess there basing that analysis on the Via or X-Cache lines (or both)

From the X-Cache line you can find the server name but not the server type...
From the via line you can find the server which in this example is squid... nothing to do with QZHTTP.

Using qzone.qq.com you get:-

HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Server: qhttpd
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 235

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Kalriath]

We don't use that word widely in the major variants of UK English either.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[snspdaarf]

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Anonymous Coward]

You try to follow the boobs with tassles comment with that?

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, of course - they're Chinese, it's got to be copyright infringement. All those yellow people are up to no good, I tells ya. Probably just ripped off Apache - maybe the Apache Foundation should sue! After all, it's not as if anyone can just take the code and fork it as they please.

Oh, wait...

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Anonymous Coward]

Heavens, he did? Just goes to show again that Bruce Perens really is a wanker, ultimately. I have a lot of respect for people like RMS or Linus, but Bruce Perens is a wart on the arse of free/open source software, if you'll pardon the expression.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[Anonymous Coward]

I am an employee of Tencent, which run www.qq.com and qzone.qq.com.

The two sites are running on different web servers. xxx.qzone.qq.com is on qzhttp, which is Tencent's proprietary web server.

However, all our servers are on Suse or slackware(which will be replaced by Suse).So, please show me how you run "a customised version of IIS" on Suse. LOL

Tencent DOES respect software copyright. We didn't use MS Office(WPS instead) and every Windows XP in the office are licensed.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[vampire_baozi]

Xiaoneiwang is the Facebook of China. Even the interface and logos look similar.
QQ on the other hand is the Geocities/Myspace. It comes with QQ Kongjian, or QQ space, which is a user-generated MySpace or Geocities style page.

And yes, it is bloated. I've had to build so many exceptions into my AV and firewall software in order to run it that it's almost unbearable.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[JWSmythe]

    Old habits die hard.

    You should have seen me take the Cisco test. "write m" isn't acceptable. "copy run start" is. I typed the wrong command every time to save. At least they don't mark you down for hitting wrong commands, as long as the outcome is right. :) I still do "write m" on real Cisco equipment. It's an old habit.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[JWSmythe]

    Ya, someone else said they got QZHTTP. I got qhttpd. I know the others are hostnames. it was just a wild guess at where they may have gathered statistics from. If it wasn't, then they likely only got a fraction of the total hosts that QQ is hosting in their nice shiny new server farm. :)

    It appears that there are at least a few "qhttpd" projects, so the magic question becomes, are they using one of those, or a hack of something else to show the qhttpd/QZHTTP banner.

    I can't imagine they're trying to run a mirrored server farm on multiple web server platforms. It's probably an inconsistency in the configs when they changed the banner from whatever.

Re:The GeoCities of China?

[weegiekev]

You've stated QQ is malware and linked to a wikipedia article, but the wikipedia article makes no suggestion of that. Even calling it adware seems far fetched based on this article... Ad-ridden, perhaps?

Neck-and-neck

[conureman]

LOL- good to see MS prompted to fight for its second place standing.

Re:Neck-and-neck

[CAIMLAS]

The truly funny thing is that they only just barely beat out this QZHTTP, which is likely just a rebranded Apache or another open source web server.

How Dare they.

[jellomizer]

How dare the country with the worlds highest population, effect all our statistics and charts. Sorry China has no where to go but up. A giant population who has been repressed is not experience a free(ish) market. Will cause some changes.

This isn't a bad thing, if you learn to use it to your advantage.

Re:How Dare they.

[Anonymous Coward]

Please read what you wrote and ask yourself if that made one bit of sense.

Re:How Dare they.

[Anonymous Coward]

But worlds Time Simulates Change. Small Population Wealth Instigates Hegemony. Free will for your soul? Money absolute relate back no spirit.

Re:How Dare they.

[jellomizer]

no. I wont.

Good News ! Dear China : +1, Informative

[Anonymous Coward]

Please appoint a Trustee In Bankruptcy In Residence For :

Obama.

Yours In Communism,
Kilgore Trout

P.S.: Slashot - Get some Cyrillic fonts !!

Why mock this ?

[Yvanhoe]

I don't understand the people mocking this. Sure this is probably a service a la geocities with a minority of webpages worth of any interest. But some are. Internet gains million of new users and publishers and people just dismiss this as non-significant while we should try to build bridges. As ugly a Myspace-QQ bridge may sound, it could be a worthwhile objective...

Re:Why mock this ?

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't understand the people mocking this. Sure this is probably a service a la geocities with a minority of webpages worth of any interest. But some are. Internet gains million of new users and publishers and people just dismiss this as non-significant while we should try to build bridges. As ugly a Myspace-QQ bridge may sound, it could be a worthwhile objective...

Alright, I'm calling your bluff: link to one GeoCities page worth our time.

Re:Why mock this ?

[Colonel Korn]

I don't understand the people mocking this. Sure this is probably a service a la geocities with a minority of webpages worth of any interest. But some are. Internet gains million of new users and publishers and people just dismiss this as non-significant while we should try to build bridges. As ugly a Myspace-QQ bridge may sound, it could be a worthwhile objective...

At least Geocities was better than Myspace.

Re:Why mock this ?

[Anonymous Coward]

http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/

Re:Why mock this ?

[JWSmythe]

    Hey, that's not fair. I saw one good Geocities site....

    Once....

    A long time ago...

    Ok, you're right. :)

Re:Why mock this ?

[kabocox]

I don't understand the people mocking this. Sure this is probably a service a la geocities with a minority of webpages worth of any interest. But some are. Internet gains million of new users and publishers and people just dismiss this as non-significant while we should try to build bridges. As ugly a Myspace-QQ bridge may sound, it could be a worthwhile objective...

There are times that I'd like to give China a small hint on the best way to culturally take the US would be. First mandate an entire generation of Chinese students learn some English. Next give/sell that entire generation net books/internet cell phones. Now you just tell that generation to pick a few English/US sites and let the rest of the world know the real average Chinese view point on various subjects.

Utter chaos happens or no one notices?

How would slashdot change if we suddenly gained double or triple the current user base yet all active average Chinese folks?

Re:Why mock this ?

[Aerynvala]

Barely. I think the only way in which Geocities wins that contest is there were no integrated forums/walls on each garish, color-clashing, animation heavy page.

Re:Why mock this ?

[Skye16]

We'd learn some sweet Mandarin phrases, get some space ships, and then live in a pseudo wild-west sci-fi sort of situation.

Just remember; I do the job, I get paid.

Re:Why mock this ?

[conureman]

I like your geocities page and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Dumb as a brick, I installed MS ME.

Re:Why mock this ?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why do you want to do this?
It seems you want to elevate the Chinese by introducing them to your superior culture.

An entire generation of Chinese students is ALREADY learning English.
They ALREADY have net books and cell phones.
They ALREADY have their own mirror internet with youtube and facebook clones.

And I already know the real average Chinese point of view because I asked them. They think their nation and culture is superior, just like most people from every other nation and culture.

Re:Why mock this ?

[Yvanhoe]

Well, in France we wondered why Americans didn't take over all French websites by learning some basic French ;-)

Seriously, what would be the point of this ? Do you think they don't have their own blogosphere, slashdot, webcomics, news sources ? All in the language that the biggest part of humanity uses ?

Re:Why mock this ?

[Anonymous Coward]

AHAHAHA. If I were logged in and had mod points, I would mod you up for the most awesome Firefly reference ever.

Re:Why mock this ?

[khellendros1984]

I remember, in the days of dialup, having a really terrible Star Trek fan page. It had a 500KB animated gif up at the top, which I converted from a video file. Glad I've grown up since then. Now I think I would put a 50MB animated gif, at least!

Re:Why mock this ?

[khellendros1984]

Correction, we would all cuss and argue in Mandarin, and that's all we would use it for (except for the cool-looking Hanzi logos on our ships!) Still....I call the engine room bunk!

Re:Why mock this ?

[Colonel Korn]

Barely. I think the only way in which Geocities wins that contest is there were no integrated forums/walls on each garish, color-clashing, animation heavy page.

Geocities had fewer instances of black text over very dark and busy background images, and slightly less music loading with the page. Also, for awhile people put quasi-content on geocities. Little freeware apps, etc. I haven't seen something useful yet on Myspace.

Re:Why mock this ?

[Anonymous Coward]

I've got news for you: your netbook and cell phone is already made in China. In many cases by Asian companies.

They don't get all preachy and say that you should adopt their culture... That sounds much more of an American thing to do. They're happy enough just to take your business.

Re:Why mock this ?

[TheRaven64]

I think you have very rose-tinted memorise of geocities. It didn't have as much black text on a black background, but it did have a lot of fluorescent text on a repeating background image.

MySpace, at least, is used by a few bands. Weird Al, for example, has put a few tracks up there for free download.

Re:Why mock this ?

[russotto]

Well, in France we wondered why Americans didn't take over all French websites by learning some basic French ;-)

A) Americans, learn a foreign language? You must be joking.

B) Taking over French things is the Germans' job.

Re:Why mock this ?

[sfcat]

Actually English is the language spoken by the most people worldwide. Mandarin is second, but ignored due to the fact it is only spoken in one country. Generally, languages spoken in only one country eventually die with that country. Languages that spread to various different countries tend to survive (if only to spawn a language family).

Re:Why mock this ?

[shutdown -p now]

First mandate an entire generation of Chinese students learn some English. Next give/sell that entire generation net books/internet cell phones. Now you just tell that generation to pick a few English/US sites and let the rest of the world know the real average Chinese view point on various subjects.

The problem is, between #2 and #3, you'll have a revolution (knowledge of English + unrestricted Internet = access to objective information on politically sensitive topics).

Re:Why mock this ?

[Aerynvala]

That's a fair point re: content.

Re:Why mock this ?

[cheesybagel]

That language would be Pig English: The new Pig Latin.

Re:Why mock this ?

[JewGold]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4dSsla-q6o

Re:Why mock this ?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm in China and for a good idea you might want to check out the houston rockets forum at "clutchfans". Nothing really that unusuall really. Fact is most Chinese really don't care what Americans think of them...
Side note---they know far far more about American culture that vice versa. eg reading tom sawer and other american literature is a a mandatory part of english studies.

Re:Why mock this ?

[CAIMLAS]

They think their nation and culture is superior, just like most people from every other nation and culture.

Oh really? How many young Americans did you ask to see if they like their culture?

It would seem to me that most young Americans think their nation and culture suck, as evidenced by cultural and political trends. They're voting out the old and pulling something distinctly un-American into the country.

Truthfully, I've met a great deal of young people in the US who have a fair amount of disdain for America and her culture; they prefer the cultures of European countries and Asia to America's. The relatively large number of young American ex-pats in Asian countries is probably a good indicator of this.

I'd be interested in finding out what the older generations of Chinese think about China, as well as America. Are they uber-nationalist as well?

Re:Why mock this ?

[CAIMLAS]

You sir, are correct.

I imagine that most people don't learn Mandrin as a 2nd language partially on the basis of it only being a Chinese language. But I suspect that the language having something like 5000 written characters also has something to do with it.

English? 26, or around 80 or so if you count all numbers and punctuation.

Re:Why mock this ?

[Doctor O]

Taking over French things is the Germans' job.

Dude, you've got it all backwards. We only SHOT BACK.

(Warning: Moderation of this comment exhibits your knowledge of history.)

Re:Why mock this ?

[Yvanhoe]

Oh, English is the lingua franca then ?
The dominating language is the language of the wealthiest nation in the world. Saying that Chinese is only spoken in China is a bit exagerated : every capital has its own Chinatown harboring several thousands or even millions of Chinese-speaking persons. And yes, Mandarin comes first only if you consider the native language of persons.

Re:Why mock this ?

[Yvanhoe]

Ah. But once you know every latin letters you have to learn how words are spelled, the problem is the same. That, and there actually are patterns in Chinese signs. Most signs are the combination of a handful of keys (something like 100 basic characters)

Re:Why mock this ?

[rbrausse]

> Taking over French things is the Germans' job.
been there, done that

(ah shit, I couldn't resist)

Re:Why mock this ?

[Anonymous Coward]

Dude, you've got it all backwards. We only SHOT BACK.

If you're saying the Germans "only shot back" in 1870, you're technically right. If you're saying the Germans "only shot back" in 1914, you're either misinformed or mendacious. If you're saying the Germans "only shot back" in 1939-40, then in the words of George W. Bush, you forgot Poland.

Re:Why mock this ?

[Doctor O]

WHOOSH.

Even if we forgot Poland, Poland would never forget *us*.

in other news...

[Anonymous Coward]

chinese mmo gold farmers are QQ'ing even more over disruptions in their business

Software vs. content

[geekmux]

"...What exactly is this QZHTTP, and what does it all mean for the world of Web servers?"

Ah, what does it all mean? I dunno, are the Chinese proposing some sort of new web server protocol standard? Is there a new RFC out?

Seems we might be confusing web content with web server software and/or protocols. IM and blogging isn't exactly new, and neither is the idea that whatever China chooses to put online en masse would be larger than just about anything else in the world based on their population numbers alone.

Re:Software vs. content

[Anonymous Conrad]

Ah, what does it all mean? I dunno, are the Chinese proposing some sort of new web server protocol standard? Is there a new RFC out?

They've just called their software 'QZHTTP'. Try 'telnet qzone.qq.com 80' and 'HEAD / HTTP/1.0' and you'll see for yourself:

Server: QZHTTP-2.3

I don't think anyone's suggesting there's a new protocol here.

Re:Software vs. content

[Anonymous Coward]

And I see that they serve up a whole html object (not just headers) in response to a HEAD request.

That's a quality implementation of the protocol right there.

Re:Software vs. content

[troll8901]

What? You give it HEAD, and it gives you everything?

You're right, needs more refining, tit-for-tat exchange, until the final climax...

Re:Software vs. content

[Anonymous Coward]

"...What exactly is this QZHTTP, and what does it all mean for the world of Web servers?"

Ah, what does it all mean? I dunno, are the Chinese proposing some sort of new web server protocol standard? Is there a new RFC out?

Seems we might be confusing web content with web server software and/or protocols.

"We" being you and ...?

Websites

[iztehsux]

I really don't care what they're serving up on QQ as long as they knock it off with the repeated brute force SSH attempts every single day.

Okay...

[Penguinisto]

...so is it a re-jiggered Apache (a'la Red Flag Linux), or what? If it's GPL, then cool... welcome to the pile.

/P

Re:Okay...

[Kalriath]

Uh, based on this Slashdot comment I get the feeling they built it themselves from scratch. None of the mainstream FOSS servers would be implemented so badly that they'd give you the entire HTML page in the response to a HEAD request. Not even IIS is dumb enough to do that.

What exactly is this QZHTTP

[dimethylxanthine]

Ships with mod_serialz, mod_sslstrip, mod_censorhip and mod_smtprelay all configured and ready for use out of the box.

Re:What exactly is this QZHTTP

[FutureDomain]

mod_censorhip

Nah, that's only for the Australian servers that are now required to filter naughty images.

LOL web admins

[tjstork]

Let's see how all you pro free-trade computer people make out now. Boy, after decades of saying that auto-workers should make the same as their chinese counterparts, how will it feel to hear corporations saying the same about computer people?

Re:LOL web admins

[homer_s]

how will it feel to hear corporations saying the same about computer people?

Is there any reason why someone should make more here for the same work than someone in Asia? Do you apply the same logic toward automation and the resulting cost savings?

Whether by computers or by cheap labour in China, reducing the cost of production generates wealth. If you want all the jobs to stay in the US - automotive, coffee plantations, shoe manufacturing, fruit picking, etc - how would you have time to create new technologies?

Every job has a cost - the opportunity cost. Reduce that cost and you increase wealth.

Re:LOL web admins

[tjstork]

Is there any reason why someone should make more here for the same work than someone in Asia? Do you apply the same logic toward automation and the resulting cost savings?

Yeah, I would prefer to not live in a one room hut with 20 people. I like to have more than one TV. In fact, come to think of it, I really, really like electricity.

Re:LOL web admins

[tjstork]

Every job has a cost - the opportunity cost. Reduce that cost and you increase wealth.

It's whose wealth is being increased, is the question that we're asking here.

Re:LOL web admins

[RingDev]

Is there any reason why someone should make more here for the same work than someone in Asia?

Yes.

How is the price of bread set in the United States?

How is the price of bread set in China?

Once you see the difference there you should be able to understand why it is critical for someone here to be paid differently than someone in China, and why Tariffs can be used not just for protection and isolation, but to foster a healthy global economy.

-Rick

Re:LOL web admins

[agrounds]

Let's see how all you pro free-trade computer people make out now. Boy, after decades of saying that auto-workers should make the same as their chinese counterparts, how will it feel to hear corporations saying the same about computer people?

I guess you have been hiding under a rock for the last 6+ years or so and entirely missed the whole offshoring-to-India movement? Thousands of jobs forever lost to the WalMarts of India IT.

Frankly, if those jobs went to China from India, I'd probably laugh at this point. It would only be a change in accent from the people I have to deal with every day already. The level of service couldn't possibly go lower.

Re:LOL web admins

[tjstork]

I guess you have been hiding under a rock for the last 6+ years or so and entirely missed the whole offshoring-to-India movement? Thousands of jobs forever lost to the WalMarts of India IT.

No, I really haven't. I noticed it most when American Express offshored its customer service, and they position themselves as a premium service card. I've actually argued that of all the dumb things that McCain and Republicans did in the campaigns of the last, oh, 6 years, was to be in favor of free trade. It's politically stupid, especially for them, because, they would have the blue collar vote if they weren't, so, well anti-blue collar.

Re:LOL web admins

[Anonymous Coward]

I was in an Indian spice market with a banker.

He was appalled. Hundreds of people, all selling the same good at the same price. All transporting and storing their good separately.

He ranted that it'd be far more efficient if they setup a corporation with a proper supply chain. That they'd only need 1/4 of the # of people to generate the same revenues, that it'd create lots of wealth.

But he had no answer when asked what the other 3/4 of the people should then do. The 3/4 of people who had no skills beyond growing, and selling spices.

Re:LOL web admins

[Anonymous Coward]

I've actually argued that of all the dumb things that McCain and Republicans did in the campaigns of the last, oh, 6 years, was to be in favor of free trade. It's politically stupid, especially for them, because, they would have the blue collar vote if they weren't, so, well anti-blue collar.

Wow, you seriously consider the Republicans to be pro free trade? What would possess you to think that? They're at least as far away from free trade as the Democrats.

Re:LOL web admins

[tjstork]

But he had no answer when asked what the other 3/4 of the people should then do. The 3/4 of people who had no skills beyond growing, and selling spice

Well, they could do what the USA did, and dole out degrees and cubicles to everyone, pretend that selling insurance to each other creates wealth, have them all borrow trillions of dollars to build up their houses, and then bankrupt the planet.

The biggest problem with QZHTTP

[Anonymous Coward]

An hour later and your browser is hungry for headers again.

ripped from future headlines

[Anonymous Cowbell]

Millions of spam zombies added to the latest Storm botnet based on an exploit in QZHTTP, despite security patches having been available for months. Attempts to contact the owners of the exploited sites are met with silence.

The Great Scrabble Offensive of Twenty Ought-Nine!

[MaxwellEdison]

I knew it! China is finally making their move by grabbing up all q's. Then when we least expect it they'll slam down QUAMQUAM on a triple word score and we'll be toast! Why else would the Chinese have such a firm grasp of the Latin language?

In other news,

[SilentBob0727]

served by QZHTTP. This web server is used by QQ to serve millions of Qzone sites beneath the qq.com domain

A quorum of queasy, quitting queens, quaffing questionable quaaludes, quietly quote quips of quality quite exquisitely.

Re:In other news,

[JustOK]

Quite! Now quietly quit quoting.

Please no more...

[ericrost]

Stop linking to zero content, zero insight, zero analysis blogs!

Re:Please no more...

[Blakey Rat]

But to be fair, it's a story about web servers. The most mundane of all implementation details-- who even slightly gives a crap whether a site uses IIS, Apache, or Bob's Discount House of HTML Hosting?

QQ more noob!

[genner]

I know I know...back to the Warcraft forums.

What's the point of the second article.

[adonoman]

What makes this all slightly troubling is that I don't know anything about QZHTTP: I presume it's not open souce, since I can't find any links to its code.

The only point that I could find from the second article (oh wait, random vapid blog post referencing the first article). What kind of logic is this? "I don't know anything about X, therefore X must be a scourge upon the earth." I personally don't know anything about Glyn Moody, so I assume he is a SCO shill trying to incite terrorism.

Re:What's the point of the second article.

[mpl]

What kind of logic is this? "I don't know anything about X, therefore X must be a scourge upon the earth."

You're wrong. Scourge is normally in Northrend.

The Q continuum will be very unhappy

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm not sure you want to mess with the omnipotent. You may end up a merry man.

Netcraft confirms it

[Locke2005]

Mao is dead!

It's apache

[seanadams.com]

I'll bet dollars to donuts it's just "a patchy" apache. This raises the question as to how netcraft should determine speciation...

That's nothing

[Anonymous Coward]

If it does not match up correctly, they kill it.

Pheature creep...

[geekmux]

... the appearance of 20 million Chinese phisher sites ...

Ah, is it still considered phishing when it's a feature enabled by default?

Just curious.

Re:Pheature creep...

[Fred_A]

Ah, is it still considered phishing when it's a feature enabled by default?

Just curious.

Teach one man to phish and he can feed...

Teach 20 million to phish and you have the Internet.

Re:Pheature creep...

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't you mean pheed?

There's a video that helps explain this

[Anonymous Coward]

Ok, if you can stand the sight of a bunch of skinny Japanese comedians running around in underwear, there is a music video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW6M8D41ZWU

It's not as gay as it sounds.

Re:There's a video that helps explain this

[xaxa]

Ok, if you can stand the sight of a bunch of skinny Japanese comedians running around in underwear, there is a music video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW6M8D41ZWU

It's not as gay as it sounds.

Correct. It's gayer than it sounds.

Logic

[argent]

What kind of logic is this? "I don't know anything about X, therefore X must be a scourge upon the earth."

Well, it's not the logic in the article you're referencing, so my guess is that it's reductio ad absurdum.

Getting back to the logic in the article itself... if it was open source, then he would likely have been able to find it by searching the web. He tried to find links to it, failed, so it's a reasonable assumption that it's not open source. He obviously doesn't like the idea that it's proprietary. Perhaps you have a different opinion there. Which is also reasonable. In any case I don't see anything wrong with the logic.

the boring days are over

[Anonymous Coward]

With google translate we can now access 20 millions new webpages filled with political free content.just a little bit of adware, and blurry pictures :)

I, for one, am thrilled!

[beadfulthings]

It's a whole new arena from which the Chinese hackers can continue to launch their lame--but oh, so annoying--port scans and root login attempts. I'm jaded enough to be willing to bet money that the security will be up to the usual high Chinese standards--absent unless they decide to block something. Every day I have the same struggle: Bad Self says, "Just block the whole goddamned country." Good Self says, "Shame on you." One of these days, Bad Self is going to win.

(Speaking of lame login attempts, the firewall just blocked the first one ever from Rwanda. Good Self is telling me that I should be encouraged that they actually have an Internet there...)

Re:I, for one, am thrilled!

[Ash-Fox]

I agree with badself. I endorse it.

Re:I, for one, am thrilled!

[n0dna]

You have to love the kits they use too... I saw a "Sendmail WIZ" exploit attempt a couple months ago. :)

Re:I, for one, am thrilled!

[Anonymous Coward]

[sithlord]
I got authorization from the boss two months ago to block the entire pacific rim! Actually, I just blocked off china and korea (but vietnam--I'm eyeballing you next). My "bad" logfiles are nearly 95% smaller now, and I can actually resume sending repeat bans of ssh to my handheld. So *completely* worth it just for peace of mind. It's even visibly reduced load on at least one system just dropping it at the firewall.

Come--join the dark side--it's easier, cheaper, and saves resources. Until they get their festering craphole under control, there's nothing wrong with treating the whole area like the digital leper colony it is.

Come on...you know you want to...
[/sithlord]

Re:I, for one, am thrilled!

[gzipped_tar]

It's a whole new arena from which the Chinese hackers can continue to launch their lame--but oh, so annoying--port scans and root login attempts)

Don't think so. These servers mostly appear to be virtual hosts managed by Tencent (operator of QQ) for its blogging service. Kinda like the _____.blogspot.com hostnames. I understand you point --- these crappy servers are likely to be exploited or even rooted for malicious purposes due to sloppy QA, but I think the actual number of those machines are not that high hence not that big deal of a "threat".

Of course I may be wrong about it. But given that there's almost nobody except Tencent themselves actually deploying the server, I guess it's just some in-house quick-and-dirty project specially tailored for their business.

Oh by the way, as a Chinese, I feel kinda sorry for your frustration. I can understand that, 'coz I have similar experiences with those nasty hackers (I'm not an admin, but I know it from some experimentation involving a SSH honeypot). I don't know whether this idea will help, but think in this way: you can think of "blocking the whole country", while it's unimaginable for some honest guy in China who operates a website targeting at Chinese markets. Try looking on the bright side -- at least these hackers are making you tougher and more experienced.

Good luck :)

Apache & Microsoft both improved

[Anonymous Coward]

Really this is only impacting the overall market share percentage by incorporating previously unreported data. It's not like a giant portion of servers suddenly switched over to qq.com

Frightening?

[dmomo]

I don't get why the article is being sensationalist about this. Is it simply a re-configured Apache? Is it a new closed source platform? I just don't know. It's curious, yes, but hardly frightening.

Competition *IS* good right?

Maybe I'm missing something like... Is the server itself doing anything odd other than "being mysterious"?

Re:Frightening?

[InvisibleClergy]

I think it is that there are so many, so fast.

Might be a version of thttpd instead

[TheLink]

I think it's more likely to be a version of thttpd because of an error message I got:

telnet qzone.qq.com 80
Trying 58.251.60.181...
Connected to qzone.qq.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET - HTTP/1.0

HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Server: qhttpd
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 235

<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>400 Bad Request</TITLE></HEAD><BODY><H2>400 Bad Request</H2>Your request has bad syntax or is inherently impossible to satisfy.<HR><ADDRESS><A HREF="http://www.tencent.com/">qhttpd Server</A></ADDRESS></BODY></HTML>

Compare that message with:
thttpd-2.25b
libhttpd.c: "Your request has bad syntax or is inherently impossible to satisfy.\n";

Re:Might be a version of thttpd instead

[itsme]

http://www.net-square.com/httprint/

thinks it is thttpd as well

Re:Might be a version of thttpd instead

[Anonymous Coward]

Strange, I got:

telnet qzone.qq.com 80
Trying 58.251.60.181...
Connected to qzone.qq.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
GET - HTTP/1.0

HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request
Server: 4Q2USA
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 235

Re:Might be a version of thttpd instead

[Anonymous Coward]

... inherently impossible to satisfy.

So is my wife.

Less QQ...

[CompMD]

Actually, wait. Considering this is China, I'll accept QQ instead of pewpew.

Re:Good News ! Dear China : +1, Informative

[khellendros1984]

"Get some Cyrillic fonts" doesn't make any sense. It's not a lack of fonts that are causing the problem, it's the non-unicode character encoding (Latin-1).

Old ICQ service...

[InvisibleClergy]

I bet this is like the old ICQ service where you could run a shitty web server from your computer. Even though I wasn't even in high school at the time, it seemed like a huge security flaw. Extra points to the first hacker to exploit the flaws in this system to make a new botnet!

oblig

[ianare]

You must be new here.
Don't swim against the current, but perpendicular to it.

Re:oblig

[shutdown -p now]

Don't swim against the current, but perpendicular to it.

I just prefer to watch as ... things... float by. At least it's mildly entertaining.

Re:oblig

[qmaqdk]

You must be new here.

Don't swim against the current, but perpendicular to it.

Ah, this almost certainly warrents a Hilbert space joke.

*tumbleweed*

Maybe not.

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fortune cookie

[ianare]

"learn Chinese"

Re:fortune cookie

[snspdaarf]

Is this word association? Felps! Rosetta Stone! Bong!

Apache can do this

[AndyFewt]

I've seen many sites change the headers/version replies for various reasons. Hell, anyone using mod security for Apache will default to a different version if they use the community ruleset.One website I know will respond with:
Server: Apache/2.2.0 - However, I know for a fact it is running 2.2.11

That can easily be changed in the mod security ruleset to be anything. Like this: Server: Myfakehttpdtakesovertheworld/1.9

I'd bet it is just apache.

qhttpd

[ianare]

they're using qhttpd and linux.

filtered/parsed results from running :
nmap -A -T4 -F 182273490.qzone.qq.com

Port80-TCP : i686-pc-linux-gnu

501 Method Not Implemented
The requested method 'OPTIONS' is not implemented by this server.
http://www.tencent.com/ - qhttpd Server
Server: qhttpd
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 255

info on qhttpd :
http://www.xman.org/Qhttpd/design.shtml

Re:qhttpd

[GerardAtJob]

This is old news... I read http://internet.solidot.org/ instead ;) (Damn they even copied slashdot?!? qzhttp "created" by tencent = apache for sure...)

Re:qhttpd

[GerardAtJob]

Self reply... it's not apache

GeoCities == 1999

[Dogtanian]

Alright, I'm calling your bluff: link to one GeoCities page worth our time.

http://www.geocities.com/rcwoolley/

Pretty clever... and no clashing-colour or non-scrolling-starfield background in sight!

At the same time, it's hardly topical and doesn't exactly counter the notion that nothing on GeoCities has been updated since the year 2000... :-)

Goofy question

[Roadkills-R-Us]

" What exactly is this QZHTTP, and what does it all mean for the world of Web servers?"

I think the first question is settled on the page referenced (as well as in another reply here), but the second one really cracked me up. Why should it mean anything of import to "the world of web servers"?

Even if it were truly a new piece of code written in China as opposed to Apache (maybe with mods, maybe not), why would anyone outside China worry? As for the Chinese, I suspect they're far more concerned with overall censorship of external web server access, and free speech in general.

Am I Seeing Double?

[TheNinjaroach]

Am I seeing double, or what?

Re:Am I Seeing Double?

[Anonymous Coward]

Just a modified version of the original :).

Really?

[hacksoncode]

Wikipedia page or it doesn't exist.

;-)

Re:The Great Scrabble Offensive of Twenty Ought-Ni

[Anonymous Coward]

In the most common form of Chinese written in the latin alphabet (pinyin), Q stands for something like the "ch" sound in "chin", or "qin" as the Chinese would write it.

but they have dependencies

[unity100]

mod_moron and mod_troll have to be preinstalled. i guess that is the setup you are using anyway so no problem.

yea

[unity100]

because capitalism worked SO much better, to the point of totally breaking down ENTIRE WORLD ECONOMY in just 6 years.

definitely we all should buy into your morondom. count me in.

Re:yea

[Anonymous Coward]

... what? Your post makes no sense whatsoever.

Re:yea

[unity100]

think. then it will.

Re:yea

[Anonymous Coward]

because capitalism worked SO much better, to the point of totally breaking down ENTIRE WORLD ECONOMY in just 6 years.

definitely we all should buy into your morondom. count me in.

Really? Where was capitalism implemented? Certainly not in the US or Europe.

Trade me your valuable Gold for my worthless Money

[headkase]

Hey, of course he's doing it. Might as well dump all that old valueless money. Everyone's doing it - they don't care. Money is being sucked out of a common economy because of the realization that within a seen time it will be worthless - when you need food a system will provide it, when you need shelter the same system kicks in. Machines work, people think. You could be anything you wanted and like the nannies in THQ 1138 machine-systems prevent anyone from offending anyone-else according to the Law.

Re:Trade me your valuable Gold for my worthless Mo

[headkase]

Oops, my bad: THX 1138. Sorry! :)

Negative annotation of the word 'Chinese'

[Anonymous Coward]

It's called red scare.

not the same

[ovu]

The difference is in attitude. Which is the controlling factor, and which follows?

Self-made rich people grow their lifestyle with their means, focusing on maximizing their income. Contrast that with someone who bags groceries, who spends less than they make. They do it because they can't afford to live any more lavishly - they're bumping up against a ceiling.

Maybe the rich got rich because they actually understand the difference between a necessity and a luxury, and they have a long-term goal?

Re:not the same

[Fulcrum of Evil]

Self made rich people tend to have had a large payoff on top of a middle class salary. When the annual salary is huge (like for a heart surgeon), their lifestyle tends to expand with it. What you describe is relatively rare, even among the highly paid.

Re:not the same

[mattack2]

Relatively rare? You need to read "The Millionaire Next Door" (http://www.amazon.com/Millionaire-Next-Door-Thomas-Stanley/dp/0671015206).

Re:not the same

[Fulcrum of Evil]

Did read it; I'm referring to a separate study which looked at how spending habits change with increased income. A large payout such as money from an ipo is less likely to result in corresponding consumption versus a gradual increase to a high income. Rich people have middle class spending habits because that's how they started and that helps them by not expending money looking rich.

Re:not the same

[cheesybagel]

Some high income professions in fact require increased spending. If you are a salesman, or even an executive in a large company, it is often expected you wear a suit and have a luxury car (perhaps even with a driver). Sometimes the company in question actually pays for these things (e.g. the car with driver can be perceived as granting more time and security for said executive) but other times it does not. You may spend more on lunches, and other things that rack up the bills.

Re:not the same

[Fulcrum of Evil]

This is true, but only to a point - the heart surgeon supporting his extended family comes to mind as someone who takes things way too far.

In China...

[mahohmei]

server installs you!

Pirating Business Model

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe the chinese is adopting MS business model -- Embrace (HTTP) Extend (QZHTTP) Extinguish (HTTP)

Mod Parent Up

[khanyisa]

Mod parent up, this is useful info...

Re:The Great Scrabble Offensive of Twenty Ought-Ni

[DNS-and-BIND]

Due to the new system of Pinyin romanization, the letters Q, Z, and X occur frequently at the beginnings of words in Mandarin Chinese. This makes abbreviations look weird. They especially like Q, for some reason. The stolen design of the Chevy Spark compact car is being sold as the QQ.

Oh nooo

[hesaigo999ca]

This is great, just when the Americans said they would control the internet by having their own botnet, here come the Chinese before them to take over the internet. Lets see how many more zero day attacks are hosted on these websites now.

Chinese are no different from Romulans

[Anonymous Coward]

Chinese aren't capable of innovations, everything they ever came up with are either stoled or faked, just like compass, printing, gun powder, and paper making... Oh did I mention that the Art of War is actually just a big state propaganda?

Of course the Chinese don't have the brains and capacities to develop their own web servers, because they are CHINESE!

Let's not forget that the Apache's license SPECIFICALLY STATED that it's alright for anyone to grab and modify its source code, except for the Chinese, in which case it becomes crime of stealing.

If they can't even steal right, never mind innovate.

Now, that's slightly troublesome and frightening to me...