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RIAA About to Transform?

It has been reported for a while that the RIAA was suffering some cutbacks and dwindling support, but techdirt is reporting that the cuts may be even deeper than most originally suspected. Who knew suing potential customers would ruin your business? "I'm sure some will somehow 'blame piracy' for this turn of events, but it's hard to see how that's even remotely the issue. The real issue is that the RIAA has basically managed to run one of the dumbest, most self-defeating strategies over the last decade. Rather than helping major record labels adjust to the changing market, it continually, repeatedly and publicly destroyed its own reputation and the reputation of the labels — each time shrinking their potential market by blaming the very people they should have been working to turn into customers."

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  1. In demand as witnesses? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well I would imagine the excess employees will be much in demand as witnesses.

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    1. Re:In demand as witnesses? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2, Funny

      No way! People willing to work for such an ethical and forward thinking organization would have more loyalty to each other.

    2. Re:In demand as witnesses? by LuYu · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well I would imagine the excess employees will be much in demand as witnesses.

      Then, let us all hope for the sake of the families involved that the MafiAAs do not make them mysteriously disappear.

      "The RIAA has announced a new severance package . . ."

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    3. Re:In demand as witnesses? by vux984 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "The RIAA has announced a new severance package . . ."

      I think its dubbed "Head and Shoulders"... er no that's a shampoo... "Head from Shoulders"!

    4. Re:In demand as witnesses? by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well I would imagine the excess employees will be much in demand as witnesses.

      We've always known when it comes to the RIAA there's more than meets the eye, but witnesses would truly help expose their deceptive cons.

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    5. Re:In demand as witnesses? by gemada · · Score: 2, Funny

      like a horse head in a bed....except with people!

  2. RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    TERRORIZE!!!

    1. Re:RIAA by Hordeking · · Score: 2, Funny

      TERRORIZE!!!

      I think "EXTERMINATE!!!!!! EXTERMINATE!!!!!!" is more appropriate here.

      Just throwing that out there.

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  3. Will it be... by jd · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...a Z Transform, a Laplace Transform or a Fast Fourier Transform?

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    1. Re:Will it be... by LrdDimwit · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think I'm going with Decepticon.

    2. Re:Will it be... by EdZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Given the RIAA's usual complaints, a BAW filter seems appropriate.

    3. Re:Will it be... by geekoid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ha, I beat you with my transformers reference by 2 minutes.

      Decepticons lose again!

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  4. Nothing but a rumor, yet... by Endo13 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Chasing down the links leads to this:

    http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/02/is-the-.html

    But one seemingly knowledgeable but unconfirmed source tells Hypebot that the cuts run much deeper than previously reported.

    And not much else. One can hope, but so far this is nothing but a rumor.

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    1. Re:Nothing but a rumor, yet... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...nothing but a rumor.

      Synonym for fact here at Slashdot.

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  5. book publishers by cyborch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If the book publishers are about to make the same mistakes as RIAA, then at least we know where they are heading now.

    1. Re:book publishers by cptdondo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, too true. I quit buying music years ago when CD prices got ridiculous. I haven't bought (or downloaded) music for years. Now my daughter is getting into music, and surprisingly for our 40-years-of-age difference, our music tastes are similar, so we've been building our library.

      She's started sending me links to youtube videos of her faves. Sent one today. I gave it a quick listen at work; kind-of-liked it, went back to listen again at home and it's been taken down. Humph. No sale there.

      I end up buying about 1/4 of the music links she sends me. This just makes no sense at all - the music industry is shooting itself in the foot. All the younguns are growing up pirating music instead of buying it - because the industry has created such hurdles to getting music legally.

  6. supporting companies outed by Dan667 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While it is no doubt that the people who run the RIAA and IFPI have no idea what they are doing I also wonder how much of a contributing factor that people are putting 2 + 2 together and recognizing who supports the RIAA. Companies are very protective of their brands and sony, emi, warner bros, and universal do not like the negative image this is bringing them directly.

    1. Re:supporting companies outed by uniquename72 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Companies...do not like the negative image this is bringing them directly.

      Neither do the artists themselves, who seem to get lost in the "OMG PIRACY IS THEFT!!1!" argument.

      It gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling to go to a concert and hear the band say, "Thank you for paying to come see us, now go download our stuff illegally and fuck the labels who are fucking us!" (No, I don't download music and am not a pirate, although I don't care if others do and are.)

  7. Re:give it a fucking break by mlwmohawk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    take this infantile whining to torrent freak or the playground where such anti-corporate whining isnt seen as the transparent bullshit

    I don't think we are "anti-corporate" enough in the U.S.A. They've more or less destroyed the economy with short sighted strategies that can't see past a 3 month horizon.

    Businesses move jobs over seas. Umm? Who's going to buy your product? The list of offenses is pretty long from exploitation to pollution.

    or get a job and pay for music for a change.

    Um, I use Linux, where would I buy digital music that plays on my system and has any value? I want it on my home stereo (CD, DVD, or a Linux box) and my MP3 player. (which is not an iPod)

    I buy CDs if I really like the music, but I was so disappointed with Gnarles Barkley, one good song on a whole CD, I usually go to the library and borrow CDs.

  8. All I can say is... by jamstar7 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Yo, ho, ho, pass me the rum.

    I do, however, once RIAA is dead and buried, intend to dig them up once a year on the anniversary of their death just to make sure they're still dead.

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    1. Re:All I can say is... by ProfMobius · · Score: 2, Funny

      RIAAphilia ? Now this one is twisted.

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  9. Worse by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

    each time shrinking their potential market by blaming the very people they should have been working to turn into customers.

    Worse than that, they were shrinking their market by blaming the very people who already were their customers. Contrary to the way we sometimes talk about it, "people who download music in violation of copyrights" and "people who buy music" are not mutually exclusive groups.

    Often enough, the same people who will spend money on high-quality convenient products that they feel are worth the price will also look for alternate channels in cases where they don't think the product they are being offered is high-quality enough, convenient enough, or worth the price.

    Now I'm not trying to excuse people who download music illegally. It's illegal. I don't do it. I don't advocate that others do it. I don't approve of it. I'm just pointing out that all those nasty/evil group of "pirates" and "thieves" that the music industry keeps blaming, vilifying, and suing-- that group has a fair amount of overlap with that industry's legitimate customers.

    1. Re:Worse by LuYu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Now I'm not trying to excuse people who download music illegally. It's illegal. I don't do it.

      I am so sick of this argument. The RIAA never (as in: not once) sued anybody for downloading music. No matter what they said to the press, 100% of their "filesharing" lawsuits were for uploading. Further, it has never been conclusively established that downloading songs is illegal. In the Napster case, the judge stated that people using a service like Napster had the "effect of piracy". Just because something has the same consequences does not mean it is the same thing. On top of that, it has since been argued -- rather convincingly -- that music sharing increases sales because the heaviest downloaders are also the biggest music buyers.

      You can listen to the radio for free. Are you or the radio station doing something "illegal" when you tune in? Are radio audiences "pirates"?

      This whole "downloading == theft" thing is merely the RIAA's creation.

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    2. Re:Worse by nine-times · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I didn't say that "downloading == theft". I wouldn't. In fact, I've argued many times here on Slashdot that copyright infringement is not the same thing as theft, and people who are trying to equate them are being dishonest.

      However, there are many laws other than those against theft, and to the best of my knowledge, it's not untrue to say that copyright infringement is "illegal". Also, that copying copyrighted material without a license to do so is generally considered copyright infringement, and that the process of downloading something from the Internet includes "copying".

      I'm not trying to be controversial here. I don't believe that copyright was intended to prevent private individuals from enjoying copyrighted material without a license. It was more to prevent professional publishers from poaching off of each others' work for profit. On the hand, copyright does have a valid role in ensuring that artists are compensated for their work, and in the current legal formulation, I believe copying songs without buying them (outside of "fair use") is illegal.

    3. Re:Worse by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It just depresses me that you (quite rightly) felt you had to throw in that last paragraph, even though the things you didn't say can be easily spotted, simply by reading your actual message.

      It depresses me a bit too. I've found that I have to tell people what I'm not-saying on a pretty consistent basis, or else I get attacked for saying things that I specifically did not say.

      I don't think we really listen to each other very well, and we don't think very deeply about what other people are saying. If we did, we'd often find that people who disagree with us are disagreeing for a reason-- maybe even a valid reason-- even if they're still "wrong".

    4. Re:Worse by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They didn't know that he had downloaded any songs when they sued him. They sued him because he had made the files "available".

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    5. Re:Worse by bhiestand · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You made a little mistake... you didn't yell loudly, beat your chest, and say it in a more confident manner. You'll never get modded up this way!

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    6. Re:Worse by steelfood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but what GP is trying to say is that downloading isn't copyright infringement. The burden of obtaining authorization to distribute is on the person offering the goods, or the uploader. And it shouldn't be on the burden of the receiver to know whether the copy is obtained through legit channels or not.

      So people who download may be pirates, but they're not committing any crime or tort until they redistribute what they've downloaded. Whether it is moral or otherwise is another issue. But since copyright infringement is not theft, the data can't actually be "returned" and the owner of the files can't be charged with possession of stolen goods.

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    7. Re:Worse by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      what he really means is that he uploaded them

      No, because there was no evidence that he uploaded them, either.

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    8. Re:Worse by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The courts do seem to have seen uploading as infringement

      The issue hasn't come up yet; there hasn't been an RIAA case with any evidence of uploading... at least not of which I am aware.

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  10. Meet the New Boss, by Neptunes_Trident · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Same as the old boss. Heh, Just because the RIAA transforms, does not imply that the copyright laws they try to enforce or fight for have changed. Slam them all you want and call'em a failure, as far as I'm concerned this means nothing. When the laws change toward cultural liberation, (like they used to be) only then will I celebrate. Only then.

  11. Re:give it a fucking break by Zordak · · Score: 2, Informative

    I use Linux, where would I buy digital music that plays on my system and has any value?

    Um, Amazon for starters? Or did you not realize that iTunes is not the only digital music store in the world?

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  12. Re:give it a fucking break by Chabo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mostly buy from a used CD store in town, and even if I find an occasional new CD there, it's well under the usual price (usually around $10 for a normal CD, I got Pink Floyd's "The Wall" for $15 new). Combine the fact that I don't care if I buy a used CD (EAC does a good job with mildly-scratched CDs) with the fact that I've only bought 2 CDs made in the last 5 years, and the RIAA probably doesn't like me, even though I'm a paying customer.

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  13. Re:Slashdot broken? by Zordak · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdot broken?

    With that low user ID, you should have figured this out a long time ago.

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  14. Re:give it a fucking break by Chabo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Unless Amazon added lossless support recently, I'd rather just buy the CD.

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  15. New business for the RIAA? by portnux · · Score: 4, Funny

    Maybe it will involve skinning puppies or pulling the horns off unicorns? Perhaps ripping the wings from butterflies? There must be and endless supply of ideas for the RIAA, given all their experience.

  16. Shutdown one Industry in support of another by HartDev · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am not gonna make remarks that are uber pro-piracy, but I will say this about the RIAA, they should have seen this many years ago, they were just stubborn.

    The market for blank media was not going to go away, and it was going to be filled with downloaded music, now regardless that it is illegal to download copyrighted material did not slow anyone down. And just like the article mentioned, it only soiled the name of those who tried to stop it, yeah I am talking about how people like Metallica a whole lot less.

    Being Pro or Anti piracy aside I do not feel for the RIAA losing money (if in fact they did lose any money, and if that money was a substantial amount) because they blatantly starred the changing times in the face ignored all possible opportunities it could have afforded them, and now, just like the banks and the auto industry they will cry about how the oldschool ways don't work anymore.

    I am glad that hard drives and blank CD's and DVD's are so cheap now a days!

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  17. Re:give it a fucking break by SCPRedMage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Blu-spec CDs are just CDs. They hold no more data than a regular CD. The only difference is that the masters are made with a blue laser instead of the standard red laser, which supposedly lowers their error-rates.

    Blu-spec CDs are nothing more than a marketing gimmick.

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  18. The RIAA is going to get you by Biff+Stu · · Score: 2, Funny

    Did you pay a commission for that lyric?

  19. Re:give it a fucking break by Chabo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nope. Blu-CD is compatible with regular CD players, and still plays back at 16-bit, 44.1kHz. The theoretical quality of the output audio is exactly the same. The only difference is that the physical process of making the CD will be more precise, so playing a Blu-CD back in realtime on a regular CD player will, Sony hopes, give better measured output quality.

    However, if you rip a Blu-CD and a regular CD to a computer using cdparanoia or Exact Audio Copy, you'll get exactly the same files.

    In short, if you rip your CDs, Blu-CD will give you no benefit. If you play your CDs on a home-theater system, however, if Sony implements the technology correctly you'll get fewer playback errors.

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  20. Transforming, but not in a good way by mysidia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With RIAA Lawyers running the DOJ, the RIAA is transforming into a US government agency.

    Now their antics re. DoS'ing suspected torrent sites will not only be legal but an act of the gov't.

    Not only will gov't money will be budgeted for catching the file traders, and probably some money from the economic stimulus packages to help bail out the recording industry and encourage innovation, it will be a gov't initiative.

    Along with a new and improved patent enforcement department to help make it more cost-effective for companies having difficulty collecting license fees from people infringing on patents like one-click (due to millions of small infringers, and formerly expensive legal processes required to enforce a patent)

  21. So... Decepticons? by mc1138 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does this mean the RIAA is more than meets the eye?

  22. Cue evil music by nurb432 · · Score: 2

    Its not over yet.. Transforming isn't always a good thing.

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  23. It's a transformer! by wcspxyx · · Score: 5, Funny

    What, are they going to go from 'suck' to 'blow'?

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  24. Who knew? by Groo+Wanderer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Who knew suing potential customers would ruin your business?"

    SCO did. Worked for them as well.

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  25. Re:give it a fucking break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Corporations spending money they didn't earn, working up ideas to get free anything *pay inflated maintenance costs later, but it looks great on the books now*, outsource jobs overseas, outsource data entry of your personal financial, medical and retirement records, make job cuts to cover losses due to multi-million dollar bonuses for cutting jobs previously, all while doing their best to cover up the fact that the companies are failing due to the cuts, overspending due to outsourcing (it costs upwards of 4 times as much to outsource a single position as to keep it insourced), so that the stock price can marginally rise a few cents so they can pay out a dividend and make the stock holders happy.

    yeah - that's right - corporations didn't do *ANYTHING* to mung up the economy...

    BULLSHIT you fucking idiot.

  26. Transform into... COPYRIGHT MEGACRONYM! by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Funny

    Left arm: MPAA
    Right arm: IFPI
    Left leg: SPA
    Right leg: BSA
    Torso: RIAA
    Head: DMCA

    Combined: WTMGDL! (Way too many god damned lawyers)

    Hmm, any other suggestions for the copyright megacronym? :)

  27. Re:give it a fucking break by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ahh, but pressed from what? It's not like they have some kind of articulated pinbox with 6 billion elements.

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  28. Re:give it a fucking break by Chabo · · Score: 2, Informative

    The master CD is burned with a laser, then the distributed copies are pressed from the master.

    To be honest, I don't think Sony is out to get us with this one, because these are just regular CDs, made in a better fashion. It doesn't sound like there's any DRM involved. It might be too late for Sony to make any money off of it, but I don't think it's a technology to be avoided for any reason other than possibly price.

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  29. Re:Lesser of two evils by indi0144 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What does one thing have to do with the other, as if just BAD DRUGS are the source of income for Cartels in general around everywhere. May it be Coffee? yeah there is a cartel there, you don't have to shoot someone to make damage because you can pay farmers a misery for their products (as in the Colombian cartel of coffee) so they will grow dope instead, dope that it's so friking hard to sell there as nobody want that shit.

    Someone made a comic strip this year about it

    Even if it's something non related, Juan Valdez and Mule SUED the guy And he apologized rather quickly.. srcsm/ I think he was just afraid of the mule /srcsm

    So maybe now IT professionals and their high intake of Coffee, and also trendy snobs on starbucks are sponsoring drug production.

    BTW theres no Muslim Turrurists (TM) here.. the only terrorist here is the one Bushy boy help to get elected.

    and the oblig..

    also, fuck you.

  30. Re:give it a fucking break by ameyer17 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bzzt.
    First, Amazon's download manager is available for Linux*.
    Second, and more useful, IMO, http://code.google.com/p/clamz/

    It sucks that Amazon hasn't heard of the newfangled .zip format, but saying that you can't buy albums from Amazon on Linux is a lie.

    *Admittedly, it wasn't available when they launched the mp3 store, and it's a pain in the ass to get working if you're not running one of the 4 linux distro versions they make packages for, but it is available.

  31. Re:give it a fucking break by cibyr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That said, I do appreciate Trent Reznor providing FLACs, both in CD-quality format -- 16/44.1 -- and in 24/96.

    I wish everyone did this. Even if I didn't like the music I would've bought Ghosts anyway just to support people selling music in good format.

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  32. Re:pronounceable by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 3, Funny

    It is, but only with the second pair of cheeks.

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  33. Hope I had something to do with it. by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2

    If they are being "transformed", I hope my work had something to do with it.

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  34. Re:Never truly transform! by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The RIAA will never really transform itself as long as the same eggheads are in charge of its member companies.

    I wouldn't call them "eggheads". I'd call them phonies.

    They are failures as business managers, and have been trying to scapegoat the blame to everyone but themselves... and have no concern for the harm they do.

    Meanwhile there are signs of a possible power shift: (1) the absence of new "John Doe" cases, (2) a possible change in lawyers (they did not use Jenner & Block on the Seeqpod case), (3) the firing of MediaSentry.

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  35. Re:why suing customers was a bad move... by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    this was a bad move by the RIAA because they didn't anyone would pay attention. well someone did. and it appears that enough help is being focused on particular cases that some unfortunate for the RIAA precedents have been or are going to be shortly set. lets not stop now. but score one for the internet.

    Agreed. They embarked upon a ludicrous campaign and they have lost. It is now all over except for the mopping up. Unfortunately for the families caught up in it, though, there's still a lot of mopping up.

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  36. Re:give it a fucking break by qubezz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's a technology to be avoided because it is from Sony. The same people that installed root kits on it's customer's computers. We shall not forget that they despise their customers.

  37. Not to burst anyone's bubble by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And I hope as much as the next guy that this means what it says in the summary. The RIAA is finally getting the results it has worked so hard for.

    But it might just be the crappy economy.

    Music is a luxury item, and they're usually the first thing to go when things get tough. This might be nothing more than a consequence of the current economic picture. I've seen massive layoffs pretty much everywhere lately.

    Sorry if this dampens the mood in here. But it's worth considering. The last thing we need to do is to start bullshitting ourselves. Seeing things as they are best prepares you to deal with them.

    But that being said, this is still a good thing. The less of these goons working the better. It would be nice if it was simply their just desserts for their failed plan, but if they go out as collateral damage to our ailing economy, well...at least some good has come from that.

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  38. Re:give it a fucking break by Draek · · Score: 2, Informative

    Um, I use Linux, where would I buy digital music that plays on my system and has any value?

    Magnatune.com, their collection of Classical music is huge and excellent, and as far as I'm concerned that's the only kind of music that has any value ;) though their Rock section has some pretty nice gems, too.

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  39. Re: NYCL FP FTW!! by Brickwall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ZOMG! Even for /., this is self-congratulatory beyond the pale.. Also, fuck you. ;}

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  40. Re:RIAA successful? by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ummmm, DRM doesn't work. I thought we'd established that.

    DRM only ever hurts the paying customers. After they've been stung a few times it makes the pirate offerings more attractive. Downward spiral.

    The best way to make money is to, um, listen to the customers instead of dictating to them. The RIAA thinks this is crazy talk so they'll sink.

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  41. Re:give it a fucking break by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >>>You, cibyr, can't tell the difference between a high-bitrate MP3 and a FLAC

    You can when you hook it up to your 4.1 or 5.1 surround system. The difference becomes immediately obvious, even if you've used a 320 kbit/s MP3. There are weird sounds coming from the speakers which should not be there. AKA compression artifacts.

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  42. Re:give it a fucking break by Ciggy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oddly, making a scratch worse can make it better: a CD I own had a slight scratch that would 'jam' my players at that track (it ran roughly circularly, not radially), but by making it worse by deliberately scratching it into a slight 'v' groove, the laser is able to read the data under it again and the track plays fine!

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  43. Re:RIAA successful? by NewYorkCountryLawyer · · Score: 3, Funny

    I dunno if I'd call their mission a complete failure...

    Well I always admire an independent thinker who's willing to go out on a limb and espouse a thought that no one else agrees with.

    You've certainly established your credentials.

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  44. Re:give it a fucking break by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why do people make posts like this one to undo their mod? Why not instead make a useful post anywhere else in the thread?

  45. *facepalm* by w0mprat · · Score: 2, Funny
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