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Nintendo Reveals New Wii Controller
IGN reports that Nintendo has unveiled the Classic Controller Pro, a new input device for the Wii of a more typical design than the Wii Remote. "From the info we've already got on the PRO, we know it's a larger controller, not only in thickness, height, and width, but it also makes use of one of the more well-received concepts out there, which is the extension grips, which gives it a GameCube, Xbox Controller S/360 look. As you can see, the Z buttons (Z/L and Z/R) are larger now, and placed like the R1/R2, L1/L2 setup found with Sony controllers. The PRO even borrows from the Nyko Classic Controller and Click Grip."
It doesn't look like a Wiimote replacement. If anything, it's a Classic Controller with grips slapped on. The summary makes it seem like it's to replace the Wiimote.
worst controller? maybe sony are just lazy, but three generations of console with the same controller begs to differ..
Sony just doesn't care...
The dualshock wasn't the worst controller in history, but they really should have corrected its mistakes somewhere along the line... E.g., don't put the !@#% digital pad in the sweet spot, when nobody uses it for the main controls (the sony dpad was a horrid dpad too, literally painful to use for any length of time).
Even worse, they repeated their mistakes with the PSP -- putting the dpad (and it's the same painful dpad as the playstation) in the sweet spot, and cramming in the analog control in an awkward and uncomfortable position -- despite having the opportunity to design the controls without compatibility concerns.
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Sure it does look sleek, but it is much of an old gamecube controller
Was this really necessary? It looks to STILL have a wire necessitating connection to the wiimote. Why switch from a completely wireless gamecube pad for that?
frankly i defy you to come up with some kind of rationale to backup your rabid anti plastic hate.
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The dualshock wasn't the worst controller in history, but they really should have corrected its mistakes somewhere along the line... E.g., don't put the !@#% digital pad in the sweet spot, when nobody uses it for the main controls (the sony dpad was a horrid dpad too, literally painful to use for any length of time).
Did it ever occur to you that not everyone shares the same anatomical configuration? I've always felt the PS-series controllers were quite nice to use. Not that I'm a hardcore games, but none the less...
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I don't think Nintendo has a magic stick with which they can beat developers into creating games you specifically like.
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To me is just looks like a Sixaxis painted white.
It's because the Wii is marketed to adults. The PS3 and 360 are marketed to teens and college students. Wii owners have money.
Bring out a wii version of the Wavebird - that really was my favourite of the controllers on the last gen systems. The biggest thing (not just wavebird specific) was being able to tell what buttons you were pressing without looking down because of the different shapes. The Xbox controllers in particular took ages for me to get accustomed to.
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I agree. I never touched a gamecube controller until after I purchased a Wii, but I was amazed by it. Possibly the best gamepad I've ever used.
I think the Wii beats it, though... not because of the motion detection, but because of the three foot cord between the left and right hand. My ideal controller would be something like a gamecube controller, but with the sides split so you don't have to hold your hands together in front of you.
completely agree, but, maybe they'll sell it for 3$ ? :)
It says in the article it "borrows" from the Nyko Classic Controller. But to me it looks like EXACTLY the Nyko Classic Controller except for the Nyko label and a slightly different look of the grips! I suppose Nyko and Nintendo are related to each other then?
How many stupid bloody plastic toy accessories are going to be released for this fad of a console?
I don't know, but I'd expect the total volume of plastic used for accessories to the wii to be maybe 0.0000000000000001% of the total plastic humanity has made.
So once the environmentalists have recycled all the billions of plastic bottles (maybe they will put a roof over the state of Washington or something) then wii accessories might be a priority.
Correct to a point.
The PS3 and 360 are for the 'guys' between 14 and 44 (older is fine of course you older gamers)
The Wii is MARKETED towards children, housewives, grandparents and extremely casual gamers.
It does have some use in a purely casual party environment with the hardcore demographic too, it's a social console if people are around, yet online, it's FAR from social.
The Wii doesn't appeal to the 'normal' gaming demographic and frankly the fact that large amounts of gaming development budget is starting to be put towards developing for it frankly makes me sad.
The thing has gimick controls, it SHOULD have had motion plus at launch, it won't even play a DVD it doesn't have fcking optical audio output or HDMI (low res or not, no HDMI out in 2009!?)
This isn't just anectodal evidence, I genuinely know several people who literally have the thing under the TV collecting dust, the device is mainly a replacement for monopoly or a pack of cards at xmas, which is pulled out once a year because 'hey, remember that year granny won at bowling! haha'
I despite it even more, knowing nintendo is milking the shit out of the system by releasing peripheral after peripheral but offering little for online connectivity or storage solutions for the few who do donwload (OVER PRICED) old games on it.
Frankly, fuck the Wii.
But they do have a pile of great old games which they refuse to put on Virtual Console.
It's just a shell for the classic controller. This is no different than the "steering wheel" shell for the wiimote.
I doubt it, a shell cannot move the buttons, the shell locking mechanism on the CC is purely mechanical. Also the assembly gap on the top of the thing goes through the cord connection leaving no gap for the separation between the CC and its shell.
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Company makes product, plans to sell it to make money. Seriously, how is this news?
Part of this complaint is hard-core gamer based I think. The thumbsticks are set much too far in and down to use for a long period of time. They're fine for short periods, but in a slightly un-natural position that gets more painful with time.
They were ahead of the game by offereing 4 ports as standard as well, plus with games like GoldenEye allowing a single player to use 2 controllers at once by holding the analog stick in each hand, giving analog movement and analog aim.
>I genuinely know several people who literally have the thing under the TV collecting dust... So have them all contact me so I can buy their consoles. I know several people who want one. I want a second one to hack/homebrew. I believe the wiimote with nunchuck is hands down the best controller on the market (though overly expensive at retail). I love hearing people complain about the Wii when Nintendo is watching every other competitor in their rearview.
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I don't think this guy is flamebait at all guys, the wii really does need some more games. I bought Twilight Princess, MP3, and RE4 soon after they came out. Since then, I haven't gotten anything. After they figured out the awesome control of MP3, I figured they had it down and would release several more games at that level, but nothing yet.
:(
I rented the new Super Smash Bros game. I got bored with that after a couple hours. Having movies of the characters I liked was cool (though way too darn fast), but the gameplay was just a weak sidescroller with no plot. I'm not a fan of typical Mario games, so Mario Galaxy was a pass for me also -- that lowers my decent game count to only 3.
And no, I don't count the virtual console as contributing to the Wii game count.
[Nintendo] were ahead of the game by offereing 4 ports as standard as well, plus with games like GoldenEye allowing a single player to use 2 controllers at once by holding the analog stick in each hand, giving analog movement and analog aim.
Williams beat Nintendo to that punch a long time ago. Robotron: 2084 (1982) and Smash TV (1990) had a setup with one joystick for movement and one joystick for aiming years before Goldeneye was a film, let alone a game.
Seems the cord is exactly the same. I can see a gap between the CC and the back buttons. Also, for all we know the shell could have a passthrough hookup. CC -> shell -> wiimote.
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I want a second one to hack/homebrew.
Can't you just use a PC, a Wii Remote, and a Bluetooth receiver for that?
Good job on the controller! For your next assignment, expand the library of desirable games to a number greater than 4.
I play Super Mario Galaxy and Animal Crossing: City Folk. Even among only Classic Controller-compatible titles, I play Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Tetris Party, and Dr. Mario Online Rx. My cousin plays Mario Kart Wii, which also compatible with the Classic Controller, even though I think the excessive luck factor makes it less fun. What four titles were you thinking of?
You've gotta be kidding. You have a Wii and you haven't bought Super Mario Galaxy? That's so absurd I don't even have a snarky remark for it. Quit reading Slashdot and buy Super Mario Galaxy (and maybe Super Paper Mario) now.
I agree with your overall sentiment, though. The Wii isn't just a fun system for party games and sports - it's also got a very good shooter interface, better than consoles, and certainly more intuitive than a mouse and keyboard. I wouldn't play Unreal Tournament with it, but for the aforementioned RE4 and MP3 it's ludicrously fun.
That said, I can't help but look at most of the blockbuster games (i.e., the ones that rise to the top on Metacritic) for the Xbox and PS3 and think, "Well, I already beat that on my computer, with a better control setup." And I just got a new laptop, so I don't see much sense in getting one of the other consoles.
I really hope it has the Gamecube style handle grips, and not the PSX style nubs. I have big hands and found the GC to be a supremely comfortable controller.
The PSX derivations still hurt my middle->pinky fingers if I squeeze one for too long, and Sony should be outright embarrassed for not improving the DS3 design. They retreated when their prototype batarang style was ridiculed, and all we got was a wireless DS2 with mushy shoulder triggers.
This released picture only shows a top view, so I have my fingers crossed. Oval pad devices also bug me, especially the PSP (awful analog nub aside), and I've avoided the current Wii classic controller for this reason.
IMO the DS2 controller's configuration is pretty good. My gripe with it is that the thumbsticks are both too sensitive and not sensitive enough, if that makes any sense. Try playing a game like Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and aiming your guns with the thumbsticks, and contrast that to aiming in $FPS with a keyboard and mouse.
Maybe it would help if Sony shipped a utility in their consoles to adjust sensitivity and dead zones that overrides anything in the game.
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Maybe the answer lies in making a few different controllers rather than just one. Different shapes for different hands.
Dual-shock? Good?
You, my friend, and deluded. The fact that both analog sticks rest at the bottom but the buttons are at the top right corner is evidence enough that it sucks giant donkey nuts. With a gamecube controller I can move and shoot. Can't do that with a dual-shock.
The Gamecube also managed to put in two L/R buttons: press down for one, and click for a second.
The only bad thing about it was the Z button, but games barely used it.
That 'stick' is called money and Nintendo has more then enough of it at the moment.
The thing has gimick controls, it SHOULD have had motion plus at launch, it won't even play a DVD it doesn't have fcking optical audio output or HDMI (low res or not, no HDMI out in 2009!?)
Funny how everybody scrambled for motion-controls after Nintendo did it? And I wonder if you called the dpad, analog stick, etc., "gimick controls".
Motion-plus isn't really needed. It would have just bumped costs for nothing. There's only one game coming out that supports it, The Conduit, and it's not likely you'll see a whole bunch using it.
Everything in my house plays a fucking DVD. Do you really think I want another device burning its DVD drive just to play some movies? My laptop, my desktops, my DVD player all play DVDs already. (hey, who would have thought people bought these? what would you do with it if you had a wii? throw it out?)
Not everyone has optical audio. I don't. I want a car to come with my console. Does that mean I need it? HDMI is a terrible connector interface, the worst I've ever seen, with so many licensing issues, it's just a botched "standard". It's a good thing they didn't go for it.
"Gamers" make me fucking sad. You're the same pricks who bought PS2s back when the Gamecube was the only console putting out 480p over component, and was by far the strongest console of the last generation. Now that Nintendo realises it's a fairly useless title, you guys start bitching?
You've gotta be kidding. You have a Wii and you haven't bought Super Mario Galaxy?
Topical? Super Mario Galaxy is a Nunchuk game, not a Classic Controller game.
The Wii isn't just a fun system for party games and sports - it's also got a very good shooter interface
For shooters like Ikaruga, what's so much better about the Wii controller than, say, an Xbox/GCN style controller? Sure, Wii Play demonstrates that the Wii Remote's pointer works well for games in the vein of Duck Hunt or Time Crisis. But a 720p TV makes Metroid Prime 3 look chunky, and the companies with money have tended to prefer the output side of the interface over the input side.
I can't help but look at most of the blockbuster games (i.e., the ones that rise to the top on Metacritic) for the Xbox and PS3 and think, "Well, I already beat that on my computer, with a better control setup." And I just got a new laptop, so I don't see much sense in getting one of the other consoles.
At least with consoles, you don't always need to buy four laptops, one for each player, and four copies of each game. Unlike PC titles, console titles are more often designed to show all characters in the same view (e.g. Smash Bros.) or a split screen (e.g. Mario Kart).
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HDMI is a terrible connector interface, the worst I've ever seen
You've never seen a SCART connector then.
The Dreamcast could do 480p in 1998, albeit via VGA which wasn't available on TV's at the time.
Gamers, the kind you're talking about, are just like any other group of people waiting to slurp up the latest marketing drivel. They think games are neat but aren't attentive enough to realize resolution and graphics power don't make a video game. Their interest is sparked by cool "new" things like WiiFit; they just don't realize the same thing was made for the Amiga in the 80's because games weren't "cool" then.
Shorter attention spans are disturbingly codependent with marketing.
While the original Wii controller is innovative, it is too simplified to allow certain modes of game play.
I wonder if this addition is meant for Virtual Console gaming, and, if not, would it be too late to breathe new life into the already family oriented console.
Also, the Wii can play DVD, just not under the standard firmware, under homebrew mine plays DVD's.
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How many stupid bloody plastic toy accessories are going to be released for this fad of a console?
Soon it will be a 1:1 ratio of games to controllers available for it, all the while your consumers snapping them like wildfire.
I'll stick with my PS3 and maybe buy a 360 again when Jasper Elite finally comes out.
Better than "buying a 360 again" when a game comes out, eh?
You've never seen a SCART connector then.
Well, that's French engineering, of course it is terrible.
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But then you'd have to shove the whole cord into the shell and it still doesn't explain where the original ZL and ZR buttons went.
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Well, if you're looking for an FPS there's Onslaught on WiiWare, it's very good and a lot of fun but reviews seem to be intent on comparing it to Halo (which it isn't even trying to be, it's designed completely different). There's also a lot of B list (well, not really B but not GOTY caliber like the big 3/4, more like regular A list) games like Boom Blox, Wario Land, de Blob and Zack & Wiki.
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Shouldn't they be trying to get the Wii MotionPlus to market?
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