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Targeted Advertising Coming To Cable TV

The New York Times reports that Cablevision Systems is testing a new project in Brooklyn, the Bronx, and some areas of New Jersey to bring targeted advertising to television audiences. "The technology requires no hardware or installation in a subscriber's home, so viewers may not realize they are seeing ads different from a neighbor's. But during the same show, a 50-something male may see an ad for, say, high-end speakers from Best Buy, while his neighbors with children may see one for a Best Buy video game." The test deployment includes 500,000 households, and separates viewers by demographic data from Experian. "Experian has data on individuals that it collects through public records, registries and other sources. It matches the name and address of the subscriber to what it knows about them, and assigns demographic characteristics to households. (The match is a blind one: advertisers do not know what name and address they are advertising to, Cablevision executives said.)"

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  1. OK fine. by gnick · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A little weird, but I'm not really alarmed that this is being used. It (for better or worse) is public data - Taking advantage of it to bore me as little as possible with ads seems perfectly appropriate. Frankly, if I have to watch ads, I'd rather see ads for computer equipment and stuff than for My Little Pony Playhouse...

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    1. Re:OK fine. by Kabuthunk · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Although this also goes in the opposite direction for some. It mentions that houses with children may see ads targetted towards games and the like.

      So if you have a baby, are you going to be stripped of watching the "funny" advertisements... usually for more adult things like beer, and whatnot... and be forced to sit through baby-food and diaper commercials? I know they're far and few between, but some commercials are actually fun to watch. Why should being in a specific demographic strip you of that fun?

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    2. Re:OK fine. by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Something just occurred to me. You know there's going to be cases where a couple's baby dies, and the cable company's records don't get updated for a while...

    3. Re:OK fine. by dgatwood · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except you won't. Experian won't have details about credit card transactions. They'll see "Oh, he buys a lot of stuff at Fry's, so lets send him electronics ads." What they won't realize is that most of those purchases involve either DVDs or capacitors for microphone modding... the occasional hard drive.... For anything more expensive, I'm 100x more likely to buy online, usually at about half the price.

      I'm also likely to spend days or weeks researching purchases ahead of time to zero in on a particular model, so sales on a different model are unlikely to affect my decisions at all on most products.

      They'll see that I buy a lot of food at restaurants, so they'll send me restaurant ads. What they won't see is that it is invariably restaurants within walking distance of my workplace and that I almost never go to restaurants that aren't, which pretty much means five or six very specific restaurants.

      They'll see that I go to Target a lot, so they'll send me Target ads. What they won't see is that I go there to either eat at the Pizza Hut Pan Pizza Express inside (which looks like any other target purchase) or to buy groceries and carry them back to my workplace refrigerator. Once every couple of months, I'll restock on soap, shampoo, toilet paper, paper towels... but otherwise, it's pretty rare that I go to one looking for more general purchases.

      It's just like TiVo's suggestion feature where it sees that I watch a couple of shows that are (IMHO incorrectly) marked as "Kids", and it starts suggesting Barney & Friends. It sees that I watch a couple of shows that are marked "Drama" and "Movie", and it starts picking up black-and-white drama movies from the 1940s.

      Any system like this, if you want it to work well, needs to have dozens of very specific keywords associated with each ad, and needs to have a thumbs-up/thumbs-down feature. It should also allow you to give a thumbs up or down to keywords on a manual basis to adjust the rankings.

      Ideally, they should also do surveys regularly to randomly chosen people and ask them why they gave a thumbs down to a commercial that looked like something they might have reasonably been interested in. That would give additional insight into the sorts of keyword information they should be adding, and would help the system improve.

      Short of that, it is inevitably going to be a joke.

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  2. So, for those of us who... by level99 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Married a chick from Eastern Europe, who is .. cough, 19 years younger than myself. Will we get Viagra or Britney Spears Perfume advertising?

    Oh, the suspense!

    1. Re:So, for those of us who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      He didn't mention the fact he's 32.

    2. Re:So, for those of us who... by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Funny

      She'll probably get adverts for applying for citizenship followed by adverts for divorce lawyers.

    3. Re:So, for those of us who... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You'll get lots of ads for Dateline NBC and Chris Hansen's To Catch A Predator.

  3. No more tampon comercials by detnyre · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cool... No more tampon commercials at my house...

    1. Re:No more tampon comercials by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Never any girls in your house, then?

      do you *have* to live up to the stereotype so much?

  4. Awesome! CV strikes again! by LearnToSpell · · Score: 4, Funny

    They might have a tough time finding product placement for this household, since the account's in my grandfather's name, and he died in 2003. Maybe some ads for psychics?

  5. Once again it's time to suggest by Travoltus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That we do a DMCA on people's personal information.

    Remove the concept of 'public records' and make it all PRIVATE.

    If Experian wants to collect personal information on you, they should have to pay a fee to you and agree to a standard distribution restriction agreement that makes them come to you for permission to distribute the data elsewhere.

    Now of course credit card companies have to ask and pay you for the right to get that information but they can also charge higher fees, too.

    Violations bring the same penalties as with "pirating" a mp3.

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  6. Not sure of the value of this. by Telecommando · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm wondering, if Grandma wants to buy a new video game for little Bobby, how is she going to know about any sales in her area? All she's going to get on her TV is commercials for arthritis rub, denture cream, cat food and the like.

    On a related subject, I've also wondered why they target ads to kids anyway. They can't drive, don't have much money and from my experience if I whined and pleaded with my dad to buy me something I saw on TV I generally got sent to my room.

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    1. Re:Not sure of the value of this. by Kabuthunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sadly, a lot of parents cave into their child's slightest whims every single time. I've seen brats in the mall that I would have loved to hit with my car for the way they were acting, and the mother is actually APPOLOGIZING to the brat for not buying him the crap sooner.

      It would be the children of THOSE parents (although it applies to situations not quite that extreme as well, I suppose) that all the advertisements you're thinking of are for.

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    2. Re:Not sure of the value of this. by David+Nabbit · · Score: 2, Insightful

      On a related subject, I've also wondered why they target ads to kids anyway. They can't drive, don't have much money and from my experience if I whined and pleaded with my dad to buy me something I saw on TV I generally got sent to my room.

      Are you kidding? Child marketing is a huge industry. Coincidentally, I'm pretty sure Dante reserved one of the lower circles of Hell for child marketers.

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  7. Re:Awesome! CV strikes again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Air fresheners, perhaps?

  8. Sounds like a good idea by Gothmolly · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why should I watch commercials for tampons, tinned soup, and shampoo? Show me Apple ads, Best Buy ads, trailers to movies I might like, etc.

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  9. No more hoveround commercials by twickline · · Score: 2, Funny

    Those hoveround commercials every 30 minutes during the night are such a pain in the butt... I'm not going to buy one for another 30 years so it's waisted advertising. and the commercials suck! So every time one comes on I turn the channel!! And most of the time don't go back to the original channel for hours if not days, so the channel looses out as the "commercial" ran me away. I would like to see ads about crap im interested in... So who knows this might be a good thing?

  10. Re:Don't use their boxes by dontmakemethink · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Once the system goes digital, all subscribers will be identifiable by the MAC address or UID of the cable box. One could argue that ad targeting is one of the primary reasons it's going digital.

    The really bad news is that although many cable boxes are hackable, and the UID can be changed, it would either be a telltale sign to the cable company that the box has been hacked, or you just end up getting someone else's targeted ads.

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  11. Re:An end to offensive ads? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they can do that then they can take off the ads for phone sex when I complain! I've been watching F1 GPs in Australia at 11pm and had 6 of them in a row.

    On the contrary, it appears that they're already running targeted advertising and have you pegged as belonging to the "sad lonely loser" demographic ;-P

  12. Re:An end to offensive ads? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, now they will know that they need to replace them with the gay phone sex ads.

    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  13. Shooting the fish in the bucket! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Today, our advertising is so full of lies and deceptions, only if they would tell the truth, then the consumer would be able to choose what they need and not what the advertiser wants the to want and buy.

    Our brains can not tell the difference between fact and fiction. It's our higher cognitive abilities that will reason in hope to find the fact. Advertisements don't give the higher functions a chance to work, subsequently and despite the common knowledge that the ads are just ads, in the long term, we end up thinking what they want us to think.

    Test your self, next time you are in the grocery store, review what you pick and ask yourself why one brand vs the other, then compare ingredients, and see if you have made the better choice. I have talked to many and found that they just picked things that they though were good. I urge you to read the following articles on false memories and see how easy it is to manipulate ones thoughts even memories:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/06/010612065657.htm

    http://www.rense.com/general11/TAWT.HTM

    We have no Cable programing of any kind in our home, our time is ours. We rent movies, talk about thing in life, inter act with our neighbors and read more. It took a year after we cut the cable to realize that we never really benefited from watching general TV programing. Just wasting time, the time that was supposed to compose our lives, hence wasting our lives.

    Good luck.

    1. Re:Shooting the fish in the bucket! by toddestan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I see a lot of automobile ads. Do they influence me? Yes, to the extent that seeing the vehicle on TV might get me into a dealership to have a look at it, but is my final decision made by TV? Not a chance - I need to evaluate the test drive, the deal, the warranty, operating costs, and, these days, whether the company is likely to survive or not. Ads have zero influence there.

      The fact that they got you to go to the dealership to "have a look" means the ad worked on you. Remember, one of the goals of advertising to convice the consumer to buy something while maintaining the illusion that they choose to buy it of their own free will the entire time. Don't be so naive ao to assume that you are immune to it.

  14. Could end up being a little too revealing by bjdevil66 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wife - "Wow - the commercials have changed for the worse, honey... Why do we keep getting ads for pay-per-view porn? I hope the neighbors are seeing this 'cause I'm going to complain to the TV stations and I hope they do too."

    Husband - "Ummm, yeah. I don't know why... these ads are coming. Don't call anyone, though. I'll take care of it..."

  15. Re:Don't use their boxes by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is only on digital. And they surely aren't sending a different ad to each subscriber. In all likelihood they're transmitting two to four ads per service.

    Digital cable video bitrates are highly variable. There is no technical impediment to sending out multiple A/V streams on the same service at the same time without increasing the total bandwidth used by the service. Of course, video quality will suffer, but a significant portion of ads are "talking heads" anyway.

    Furthermore, it would be quite possible to monitor bandwidth at the QAM level, and "steal" some bandwidth from other services on the QAM in order to provide more consistent quality during targeted ad breaks.

    The really interesting thing here is that previous systems (that I'm aware of, anyway) have used a software client on the set top to select the ad. This scales. If they're doing this in the headend I don't see how they're going to scale to a significant number of channels with a useful number of demographic groups. Maybe this is only on DSG boxes?

    -Peter

  16. That could be potentially embarrassing for some... by bjdevil66 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The content of the ads could be a little TOO revealing about people. Imagine this conversation after the Super Bowl party:

    "Did you notice that the Smiths had a lot of ads for bankruptcy lawyers? I wonder what's going on with them..."

    It's not an invasion of privacy, but it is a subversion of privacy.

  17. Long Term Progression... by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. Free TV with commercials
    2. Promise of pay TV without commercials
    3. Pay TV with commercials
    4. Pay TV with commercials and shopping channels
    5. Pay TV with targeted commercials and shopping channels
    6. Pay TV where they remove your eyes and jab probes directly into your brain so they can harvest your inner most thoughts for a profit

  18. Re:No, they just want us to ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Funny

    in the long term, we end up thinking what they want us to think.

    Think Different (TM)

    Like that line of Durango commercials that just said "Dodge. Different." And they were right ... things are bigger and uglier than most other vehicles and get really lousy gas mileage. What do you know, truth in advertising.

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  19. For those of you who have seen The Network by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's too late, Diana! There's nothing left in you that I can live with! You're one of Howard's humanoids, and, if I stay with you, I'll be destroyed! Like Howard Beale was destroyed. Like Laureen Hobbs was destroyed. Like everything you and the institution of television touch is destroyed. You are television incarnate, Diana, indifferent to suffering, insensitive to joy. All of life is reduced to the common rubble of banality. War, murder, death are all the same to you as bottles of beer. The daily business of life is a corrupt comedy. You even shatter the sensations of time and space into split-seconds and instant replays. You are madness, Diana, virulent madness, and everything you touch dies with you. Well, not me. Not while I can still feel pleasure and pain and love.

    Basically, forget television. It is an expensive waste of time. Go out and have fun. Take your daughter out to the park. Get out and enjo a nice sunny day, like we had today where I live. The hell with television. Its time has passed.