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Wolfram Promises Computing That Answers Questions

An anonymous reader writes "Computer scientist Stephen Wolfram feels that he has put together at least the initial version of a computer that actually answers factual questions, a la Star Trek's ship computers. His version will be found on their Web-based application, Wolfram Alpha. What does this mean? Well, instead of returning links to pages that may (or may not) contain the answer to your questions, Wolfram will respond with the actual answer. Just imagine typing in 'How many bones are in the human body?' and getting the answer." Right now, though the search entry field is in place, Alpha is not yet generally available -- only "to a few select individuals."

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  1. Lojban by Sybert42 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think this can be examined without language issues. Lojban attempts to make a parsable constructed language (currently undergoing a few grammar issues, but mostly locked down). As we get closer to the Singularity, with regards to infant-style general AI and perhaps even transhuman implants (thought detector or such), we'll see perhaps a myriad of unambiguous languages.

    1. Re:Lojban by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 2, Funny

      There is no need to fully parse natural languages (or to substitute them with made up languages you can parse...) in order to answer questions posed in natural languages. Indeed, one does not need to *understand* a question (in whatever AI meaning you want) in order to find its answer.

    2. Re:Lojban by gardyloo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't think this can be examined without language issues. Lojban attempts to make a parsable constructed language (currently undergoing a few grammar issues, but mostly locked down). As we get closer to the Singularity, with regards to infant-style general AI and perhaps even transhuman implants (thought detector or such), we'll see perhaps a myriad of unambiguous languages.

      Your cautiousness and pragmatism in the first two sentences was noted and admired. Then you used the word Singularity in the Vinge sense, and my woo-detector pegged.

    3. Re:Lojban by dkf · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think this can be examined without language issues. Lojban attempts to make a parsable constructed language (currently undergoing a few grammar issues, but mostly locked down). As we get closer to the Singularity, with regards to infant-style general AI and perhaps even transhuman implants (thought detector or such), we'll see perhaps a myriad of unambiguous languages.

      Any language that is truly unambiguous is uninteresting. Firstly, you've got Goedel incompleteness to worry about (which stems from statements that are fundamentally ambiguous as to their interpretation, such as "this statement is false"). Secondly, languages are there for people to communicate with, and people seem to prefer ambiguity. Ask a poet if you need proof of that.

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    4. Re:Lojban by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      is the answer to this question "no"?

      If you want to answer a question without understanding the question then how do you know when the question can be answered?

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    5. Re:Lojban by linhares · · Score: 2, Funny

      "will you answer no to this question?" kernel panic

    6. Re:Lojban by linhares · · Score: 4, Funny

      You look for an answer until you find it or give up.

      Oh, so (i) you don't understand the question, then (ii) you look for an answer, (iii, A) you find it (how? how will you know you found it?), or (iii, B) you give up.

      Just wanted to make sure that this thread was really about this. Here's a new low, even for slashdot.

    7. Re:Lojban by HiThere · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Are you limited to yes/no answers?

      Why are people presuming that the program will be limited to yes/no answers?
      Q: Will you answer no to this question?
      A: It's rather unlikely.

      (Or, "I doubt it" or any of several different answers.)

      There are enough legitimate paradoxes that you don't need to construct such obvious losers.

      How about:
      Is "This statement is false." false?

      It's still easy enough to handle (in several different ways), but at least it's a valid challenge.

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    8. Re:Lojban by linhares · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why are people presuming that the program will be limited to yes/no answers? Q: Will you answer no to this question? A: It's rather unlikely. (Or, "I doubt it" or any of several different answers.)

      Q: What made you think it's rather unlikely? kernel panic

    9. Re:Lojban by fractoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      To my mind, any reasonable definition of understanding a subject includes the ability to reason based on information about the subject. In the case of a question, this would include the ability to say, at the very least, whether a given answer is a correct answer for the question.

      From this, we can see that if we can build a reasoning engine that can determine if a given answer is correct for a question, hypothetically we can iterate over a large set of answers and apply our filter to each one. This provides us with a machine to answer questions (although depending on the size of the set of answers, "I don't know" might be a frequent response) which (by my definition, at least) 'understands' the question.

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    10. Re:Lojban by Bandman · · Score: 4, Funny

      three, sir

    11. Re:Lojban by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't sweat it ... these are the same people who believe that a computer can "think" about chess, instead of just searching through N number of plies in T time, then offering the best solution it has found in those constraints, without ever having to "understand" chess on any level.

      This can be applied to ANY problem, provided you want to invest the design and testing time.

      This whole question was answered decades ago (1970s) with the "foreigner in a sealed room" turing thought experiment. It showed that the person in the sealed room doesn't have to understand english, or even know the answer to questions, provided they are given some simple rules to link words together in a response depending on what words are in the original statement.

    12. Re:Lojban by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 2, Informative

      Firstly, you've got Goedel incompleteness to worry about (which stems from statements that are fundamentally ambiguous as to their interpretation, such as "this statement is false"). Secondly, languages are there for people to communicate with, and people seem to prefer ambiguity

      What exactly does Godel's theorem have to do with what you just said? The incompleteness theorem deals with axiomatized systems. This leads me to think that you might be confusing the popular meaning of "language" with the mathematical definition. People (at least normal people) do not communicate with mathematical languages.

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    13. Re:Lojban by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Moreso, I'd argue that true reasoning would be the ability to provide a factual answer to a subjective question.

      For example, "Does food taste good?"

      The machine would have to take into account the vast bits of information at it's disposal. For example, found statements like 'This food tastes good' and 'this food does not taste good', would both have to be considered and then qualifiers added to the answer to make it correct, such as 'Some food tastes good'.

      Otherwise, it's just fancy regurgitation of facts using a complex language parser.

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    14. Re:Lojban by shawnap · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ... these are the same people who believe that a computer can "think" about chess, instead of just searching through N number of plies in T time, then offering the best solution it has found in those constraints...

      Who says that this is insufficient for "thinking"?

      I think understanding the Chinese room paradox as having provided a solution to this question is a misinterpretation. The best thing to take away is that "thinking" is not well defined.

    15. Re:Lojban by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The "thinking" can be reduced to a computing machine made out of tinkertoys, or punch-card readers. It requires no understanding, no "learning", no insight - just rote mechanical responses to inputs. That's not "thinking" any more than instinct is - it's just hard-wired responses.

      The real question is "what is sufficient for thinking", and I believe the answer is pretty easy - free will. To those who argue against free will, then all thought is predetermined, and therefore mechanistic. But of course, they're free to think that, though they would argue otherwise :-)

      Or we can try this (modified from the supreme's definition of pornography) - "I may not be able to define thought, but I know it when I see it!" - which under the circumstances, is actually quite appropriate - it means that discerning whether actual "thinking" is taking place requires - wait for it - THOUGHT!

      Or do I throw in the now-obligatory bad car analogy? :-)

    16. Re:Lojban by jadavis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Otherwise, it's just fancy regurgitation of facts using a complex language parser.

      It's more than regurgitation. It can make inferences from the set of facts available to generate new propositions. Some of these new propositions may not be obvious to a human looking at the same set of source facts.

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    17. Re:Lojban by cryptoluddite · · Score: 4, Funny

      You look for an answer until you find it or give up.

      Oh, so (i) you don't understand the question, then (ii) you look for an answer, (iii, A) you find it (how? how will you know you found it?)

      Once you have found the answer only then will you understand the question, grasshooper.

    18. Re:Lojban by home-electro.com · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just a couple of day ago I wanted to figure out how "crustacean" are related to other animals. (don't ask...)
      I'd have to think for five minutes to formulate the question instead of just typing 'crustecean' which I don't even know how to spell.

      In rare occasions that I only need a factual answer like how much the elephant weigh the answer is more complex than simple number.

      Anyway, after talking to a number of 'ai' voice recognition systems I don't believe in machine intelligence in any form :)

    19. Re:Lojban by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lojban allows for ambiguity, but in such a way that the listener can recognize that the statement is incomplete.

    20. Re:Lojban by nizo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ahh, but how many bones does a one-armed midget with three fused vertebra who just swallowed a whole parakeet have?

    21. Re:Lojban by znu · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Chinese Room is misdirection, pure and simple. We're supposed to conclude that because the person in the room doesn't have the subjective experience of understanding Chinese, the system as a whole (the person, the data tables, the rules) doesn't "really" understand Chinese.

      But there's no logical reason to assume a specific part of the system should have a subjective experience of understanding something that the system as a whole understands. This becomes obvious if you follow the logic a few more steps. Do you believe each specific part of your brain subjectively experiences understanding? How about individual neurons? How about the atoms that comprise the neurons in your brain? If you don't believe these things have the subjective experience of understanding the things that your brain as a whole understands, then your brain is incapable of "really" understanding anything, according to the logic of the Chinese Room.

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    22. Re:Lojban by dkf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What exactly does Godel's theorem have to do with what you just said? The incompleteness theorem deals with axiomatized systems. This leads me to think that you might be confusing the popular meaning of "language" with the mathematical definition. People (at least normal people) do not communicate with mathematical languages.

      If you have an unambiguous system, that means it must be possible to give an exact translation from it into mathematics. After all, that's what mathematical notation really is, a way of unambiguously saying things.

      But wait! Goedel says that there are no interesting complete mathematical systems (yeah, I do know what axiomatization is, thankyouverymuch). From that we can then deduce that the language that is being translated from must either be able to describe paradoxical entities whose interpretation/valuation must be necessarily ambiguous (that's what Goedel actually did, it's the heart of his proof) or that the originating language is unutterably trivial - that it can't even talk about simple arithmetic for example, let alone actual complex concepts.

      The heart of my real argument though was that most people prefer ambiguity. If someone writes "my love is like a red, red rose", it shouldn't have to include a frequency profile of the reflected light off the rose or a precise description of the variety. (More seriously, many poets explicitly want the ambiguity; the reader is supposed to have to work to extract the correct meaning(s) of the poem.)

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    23. Re:Lojban by palegray.net · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For a great many questions, getting an instant answer (ala "I'm Feeling Lucky") would beat the hell out of having to click on and read even one result link in a search engine.

    24. Re:Lojban by SnowZero · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have always hated Searle's Chinese room "paradox", since it is just playing a semantic game with the definition of the system. The claim that the person in the room doesn't understand things is no different from saying that a neuron doesn't understand things, or that 1/4 of my brain alone doesn't understand things. The "rules" in the box are part of the system, and I would claim that if it passes the test, the person+rules do demonstrate understanding. We have no evidence that human thought somehow transcends the model of executed rules anyway; at some level it is all chemistry and physics.

      A modern example would be that my CPU (::person in box) doesn't know how to behave as a web browser. While true, my computer does know how to be a web browser when you add the software (::rules), and an input and output system (::box interface). The Chinese room paradox is just yanking out the CPU and saying that it doesn't know how to be a web browser. Nice trick.

      The other thing the "paradox" does it to try to evoke imagery of a very simple ruleset because it is a person executing rules on paper, which would be very slow. The person executing paper rules is slow enough to have the computational power of a few neurons at best, while the brain has ~100 billion. So the equivalent rules in the paradox's imagined transformation would never fit in a room and could not be executed to completion by a person before their death. While it is supposed to be a thought experiment, the relative scale is so incredibly different that it makes imagining it difficult, and I wonder if it was chosen for that purpose. I will cut Searle some slack though, since Turing's guess about how much computing power needed to pass the Turing test was ridiculously low (~50 MB of storage), when compared to what we now know of human brain capabilities.

      I think the appeal of the paradox is that deep down many people want to believe that we are qualitatively different from computers, rather than quantitatively so. As for me, I'm happy enough knowing that atop my shoulders sits a computer with more raw processing power than the largest supercomputer, with rules/programming far beyond anything we can create now, or perhaps for hundreds of years.

    25. Re:Lojban by ultranova · · Score: 2, Informative

      The "rules" in the box are part of the system, and I would claim that if it passes the test, the person+rules do demonstrate understanding.

      Well that was Turing's argument, and what the Chinese room is arguing against (or at least questioning).

      No, Turing's argument was that the question "can X really think or is it merely perfectly simulating thinking" is impossible to answer for any value of X other than yourself. For this reason, we have a polite convention of treating things which appear to think as really thinking, so simply extend this courtesy to any seemingly sentient computer we might ever produce and be done with it.

      If anything the Chinese room and all other arguments from incredility ("How could it think? It's just a room!") reinforce Turing's point about the pointlesness of such arguments.

      We have no evidence that human thought somehow transcends the model of executed rules anyway; at some level it is all chemistry and physics.

      We have no evidence that it is merely executed rules either, nor that chemistry and physics follow the same.

      We have no evidence... that the laws of physics exist? Lul wut?

      Gotta hand it to you, you certainly take your scepticism seriously ;).

      Searle's response to this was to replace the man in the box with the population of India, thereby allowing for much more processing power in a reasonable time.

      This doesn't help the main problem in Searle's philosophy, namely his assumption that "brains cause minds" as opposed to their functionality. In other words, Searle assumes that an algorithm being executed on arbitrary hardware isn't conscious, but that only a (biological) brain can be. He never once proves or shows any evidence for this assumption, yet without it one has no reason to assume that the Chinese room isn't conscious or doesn't "really" understand Chinese.

      Chinese Room isn't a thought experiment, it's an argument in the lines of: "If algorithm executing on arbitrary platforms can be minds, then an algorith being executed by someone by hand might be a mind, and that's incredible!"

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  2. How many bones by icebike · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Q: How many bones are in the human body
    A: Did you mean cumulatively or at any point in time?

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    1. Re:How many bones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Q: How many bones are in the human body?
      A: Did the human in question eat fish recently?

    2. Re:How many bones by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 2, Funny

      A: Adult content detected, please submit age verification to see the answer.

    3. Re:How many bones by something_wicked_thi · · Score: 5, Funny

      Q: How many bones are in the human body?
      A: How does bones are in the human body make you feel?

    4. Re:How many bones by davester666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wasn't this done? answers.com, askjeeves.com (now ask.com)

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    5. Re:How many bones by linhares · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wasn't this done? answers.com, askjeeves.com (now ask.com)

      the answer to your question is yes.

      There's also the pathetic Powerset, which was sold to microsoft for 100 million bucks. Very pleasing see ms burning money on such hyped shit.

    6. Re:How many bones by Kaitnieks · · Score: 2, Informative

      From Powerset: Q: how many bones are there in human body? A: There are 206 bones in the adult human body and about 270 in an infant.

  3. Simple: by kbrasee · · Score: 4, Funny

    package com.wolfram;

    public class Alpha {

        public static void main(String[] args) {
            System.out.println("42");
        }

    }

    1. Re:Simple: by kbrasee · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry, I try to be diligent about these things, but just chose a bad time to leave my mom's basement for a few minutes.

    2. Re:Simple: by amirulbahr · · Score: 3, Funny
  4. Anyone remember AskJeeves? by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Been there, done that.

    All that is old is new again.

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    1. Re:Anyone remember AskJeeves? by Korin43 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Atomic mass of plutonium?
      Circumference of the earth?
      Number of horns on a unicorn?

      Google already does this. It's giving you the answer and linking to the page that has it. All Google needs is to be able to use these things in the calculator ("circumference of the earth in furlongs").

      Oh and related to your "rupees in a dollar". "1 dollar in indian rupees" will tell you.

    2. Re:Anyone remember AskJeeves? by dotancohen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Try checking the number of horns on a bicorn and you'll see that the google engine is not intelligent, artificial or otherwise. Or would you like to argue that bicorns are not real, and therefore don't count?

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    3. Re:Anyone remember AskJeeves? by Mr_Blank · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bicorns do exist. Napoleon's hat was a bicorn.

      Sci-Tech Dictionary: bicorn (bkörn)
      (mathematics) A plane curve whose equation in cartesian coordinates x and y is (x2 + 2ay - a2)2 = y2(a2 - x2), where a is a constant.

      WordNet: bicorn
      The noun has one meaning: a cocked hat with the brim turned up to form two points
          Synonym: bicorne

      The adjective bicorn has one meaning: having two horns or horn-shaped parts

  5. A.I. by unlametheweak · · Score: 3, Informative

    Google already does this. Type a question like "What is one plus one?" and you will get an answer. It's artificial intelligence.

    1. Re:A.I. by philgross · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It goes further than that. Try Googling "how old is Britney Spears" and "what is the population of iceland" (without quotes). The answer appears at the top, separately from the search results.

    2. Re:A.I. by am+2k · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That seems to be hardcoded though, it already fails at "how old is Steve Jobs".

    3. Re:A.I. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It also fails on This - seriously...

    4. Re:A.I. by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It goes further than that. Try Googling "how old is Britney Spears" and "what is the population of iceland" (without quotes). The answer appears at the top, separately from the search results.

      Google them together, it returns your post!

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    5. Re:A.I. by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      Now try googling "what is the population of states that border Spain and only Spain".

      If I understand TFA, the application in question will actually be able to answer that question.

  6. "When are you going to crash?" by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Either:
    1. Windows version of program crashes without answering
    2. Mac version of program says "after your next question, smartass"
    3. Linux version of program says never, 'cos it can't even drive a car

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    1. Re:"When are you going to crash?" by Repton · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Is 'no' the answer to this question?"

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  7. Computers are useless... by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...they only give you answers.

    1. Re:Computers are useless... by MBCook · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Questions are a burden to others. Answers are prison for oneself.

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  8. Re:Nope. by captainboogerhead · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, the original source, TechCrunch, not the dumbed down linked article, discusses in much better detail what Alpha is about.

  9. A new kind of askjeeves... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wolfram seems to be his, er, original self as always. Isn't phrasing search results in the form of a question old news by now?

  10. Yeah, but... by Ieshan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why would someone brand something that was supposed to be an intelligent machine as "W".

  11. like this? by cvd6262 · · Score: 2, Informative
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    1. Re:like this? by argiedot · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not at all. Compare this with asking START the same question: "How far is Los Angeles from New York?"

  12. I hope this is what I think it is by physicsphairy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Trying to find mathematics/physics information is often pretty terrible. I mean, if you are just looking for a topic you can generally pull up related papers, but that is about the depth of complexity you are capable of searching for.

    Unfortunately there is no convenient (or universal) plaintext notation. If you are doing anything serious you probably use latex markup (e.g., \Psi^{*}\Psi) or something similar to render images of your equations. That's well and good for people who just want to read your paper, but for people who want to do a complex search to find very specific bits of contextual information, it is just about useless.

    So if I can hope that Wolfram's goal is to make his company's math and science knowledge base searchable by some sort of contextual framework, then that could be pretty awesome for those of us who would like to penetrate particular aspects of independent fields without having to become experts on the fields first.

  13. All the Wolfram promises by basementman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    All that Wolfarm has promised here is a wall of text full of buzzwords. Until I can actually test this it's just another cuil.

  14. Re:Sweet! by poopdeville · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Isn't a proof of the Riemann Hypothesis necessarily non-constructive? If so, a computer can't answer your question.

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  15. Re:Nope. by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't actually know anything.

    If you RTFA, you'll see that something entirely different is being discussed here. Alpha is supposed to actually answer the question because it knows a lot of facts, not because it's been programmed to look for certain phrases and respond with certain strings of text.

    Good points, but this is still just a different (better perhaps?) implementation of the same concept. The big issue with the implementation is that it will only "know" what you tell it, the same as any other computer. Further it will only be able to tell you about what you want to know based on the system's ability to parse your question and return what it "thinks" you want to know.

    Look, I'm not saying it isn't a cool idea, I'm just saying that it isn't as shiny and new as the creator would lead you to believe. I'm also not inclined to be impressed considering that it isn't even available to try yet. It hasn't even been released yet.

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  16. Just Words by prefec2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As long as they are not showing the tool to the public, I do not believe they build a system which promises that. However, there have been lots of research in this area and there are methods to convert queries into horn-clauses so you can query knowledge bases. I designed a method in my master thesis which does similar things, however it was laid out to be performed by humans.

    As ingredients for such a system you need
    - a knowledge base filled with facts (you can use OWL for it if you want or a rule based approach)
    - a reasoner (e.g. something like pellet)
    - a rule engine (e.g. something like Jess)
    - a method which understands simple English query sentences.

    The really hard part is the knowledge base, because it is lots of work. And an automated approach which can understand written documents and classify them correctly would be great, but I doubt that they found a solution for this problem.

    This problem includes:
    - How to handle uncertainty?
    - What to do with contradicting knowledge?
    - What to do with temporal aspects in that knowledge?

    However, if they built a tool which can answer question of one single domain of knowledge, this is nothing new. Such machines exist now for a long time. They can be helpful, but there is nothing exciting about them.

    1. Re:Just Words by giles+hogben · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would bet big money this is just another iteration of the Knowledge Scam. Read this: http://personal.lse.ac.uk/angell/papers/knowledge%20management/km.htm

  17. True Knowledge by Sanity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    True Knowledge have been doing this for over a year. Anyone can add facts to their database, and it will attempt to use those facts to infer answers to questions. Its actually very cool, although doesn't yet support such notions as uncertainty.

  18. I don't know... by Cylix · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not sure I really want to trust a product by Wolfram and Heart. Seems like there is a possibility of some soul loss.

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  19. Re:Nope. by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd be impressed if it could answer "Could you explain your previous answer using a car analogy?"

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  20. The ever-decreasing depth of human knowledge by CAIMLAS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tools like this are decreasing the general ability of the population to research - resulting in a debt in 'comprehensive knowledge' on topics.

    Yes, tools like search engines enhance our ability to retrieve information faster than written documents such as manuals, dictionaries, and fiction, but they do not - 100% of the time, or even 80% of the time - lead us to the answers to complex questions directly. We are still required, as human beings, to read material, digest it, and often confer an answer.

    People will largely lose the ability to make (effective) decisions on their own, because the critical inputs for a good decision are usually both a broad and deep understanding of the topics at hand.

    Think of what kind of impact this would have on the overall problem solving ability of a population. Problem solving is often largely qualified by a person's ability to get a good picture of what the problem is. What do we do when a person can simply ask complex questions where a wealth of experience was previously required? Sure, this allows people to move on to do other things, but...

    When you make it so that your analytical people - the problem solvers and those who create new things - are made irrelevant by a technology, you as a society will stop evolving socially. No, it will not happen immediately. It will happen gradually, over the period of a generation. Consider the dearth between the research abilities of a previous generation, and those who are graduating college today. There is a substantial difference, and the ease in which information is acquirable today has had a lot to do with this shortcoming.

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    1. Re:The ever-decreasing depth of human knowledge by Praxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When you make it so that your analytical people - the problem solvers and those who create new things - are made irrelevant by a technology, you as a society will stop evolving socially. No, it will not happen immediately. It will happen gradually, over the period of a generation. Consider the dearth between the research abilities of a previous generation, and those who are graduating college today. There is a substantial difference, and the ease in which information is acquirable today has had a lot to do with this shortcoming.

      While this may be true for some people, it's their own fault if they limit themselves in this way. The people that are really passionate about research will use this technology as a tool to enhance their research capabilities. Those that do not probably weren't motivated enough to be successful anyway.

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    2. Re:The ever-decreasing depth of human knowledge by davevr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suspect it will be similar to the great cultural loss of the ability to memorize long narratives that was brought about by the invention of writing.

    3. Re:The ever-decreasing depth of human knowledge by xkcdFan1011011101111 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's what everyone said when wikipedia came out.

      I'm a researcher, and I find that googling/wikipediaing my questions often helps me know if I'm looking in the right area. If I've conjured a sufficient amount of buzzwords about the topic, I'll get a good wikipedia page or mathworld.com page or something. I can then look at what THOSE pages reference and usually find links to some peer-reviewed sources.

      Also, I've noticed a lot of my coworkers (myself included) will often try to learn more about a problem we're working on and through wikipedia/google find similar problems in several other fields. A lot of the time the other fields that have a similar problem as mine are so different than my field that I wouldn't have noticed the problem existed elsewhere without stumbling across it on the internet.

  21. Not quite correct by snowwrestler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This whole question was answered decades ago (1970s) with the "foreigner in a sealed room" turing thought experiment. It showed that the person in the sealed room doesn't have to understand english, or even know the answer to questions, provided they are given some simple rules to link words together in a response depending on what words are in the original statement.

    That's not quite correct--the Chinese Room thought experiment does not depend on "simple rules"--it imagines a Turing-Test-passing program converted to book form, which is then run manually by an English speaker, responding to Chinese inputs. But there's nothing in it that implies that the Turing-Test-passing routine is simple.

    In fact there's nothing that says such a routine is even possible. The Chinese Room thought experiment has always struck me as begging the question. It starts by assuming that a routine exists that has passed the Turing Test, then shows that a machine running such a routine need not demonstrate actual thought. But it is entirely possible (IMO likely) that the Turing Test cannot be passed without actual thought, which would render the first assumption void.

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  22. Re:Who is the greatest scientist? by Jeremi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There were many editors on the book, but unfortunately, they weren't actually allowed to do anything. I mean nothing.

    If an editor is denied write access to the book, is he still an editor?

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  23. Re:People are special. by TheCrazyMonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    Also, until you can claim to solve the halting problem in real life (as opposed to a "theoretical device"), don't go around claiming that the brain is turing-complete. It isn't, and cannot be - not in this universe, anyway.

    Of course the brain is turing complete. You can prove it the same way you prove any other machine is turing complete: it has the ability to simulate a turing machine. I can simulate a tape driven turing machine pretty damn easily with a sheet of paper and a pencil. I think you're confused as to what "turing-complete" means. Solving the halting problem is not a requirement. In fact, you can prove that a turing machine cannot solve the halting problem. So the brain's inability to do so doesn't have any bearing on whether it's turing complete.

  24. Re:Nope. by Tom · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Good points, but this is still just a different (better perhaps?) implementation of the same concept. The big issue with the implementation is that it will only "know" what you tell it, the same as any other computer.

    Or human, for that matter.

    The big difference is inference. If I tell you the facts "John married Jane in 1981" and "Frank is Johns son, he's 15", you will probably conclude that Jane is very likely Franks mother, at least until you get conflicting information. Computers so far could not. AI research has been working on giving them that ability for almost 20 years now. After lots and lots of failures, they've also made some progress. The big issue hasn't been the collection of facts for years now, but how to combine those facts to generate new "knowledge". That's something we humans do with so much ease that it is too easy and gets us to generate false "knowledge" all the time - marketing are experts at exploiting that, as are novel writers.

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  25. What's so new about this? by Kleiba · · Score: 2, Informative

    Question answering (QA) has been around as a research track for years, and quite a lot of effort has been spent in the field. See for instance http://trec.nist.gov/data/qa.html - So, is the novelty in the story that someone is trying to make a business out of it? I doubt it, because even that has been tried before, most recently with powerset.com. Of course, I assume that the business model would be "getting bought by a search giant as soon as we can", and not creating an actual competitor to google and the likes.

  26. Re:People are special. by Thiez · · Score: 3, Informative

    > Also, until you can claim to solve the halting problem in real life (as opposed to a "theoretical device"), don't go around claiming that the brain is turing-complete. It isn't, and cannot be - not in this universe, anyway.

    The halting problem is undecidable over Turing machines. Claiming 'the brain is not turing-complete because it cannot solve the halting problem' makes no sense.