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Best Wi-Fi Portable Browsing Device?

foxxo writes "I'm a library worker, so I get lots of questions about our collection when I'm out in the stacks. I'd love to be able to access our online catalog and give patrons more comprehensive guidance without directing them to the reference desk. What options are available for a portable device with Wi-Fi connectivity, full-featured Web browsing, and (most importantly) no cellphone-style activation and service fees? Size is important, too; I need something I can carry in my pocket, not a micro-notebook with full keyboard. (And I am a library worker, so low cost is key!)" One device that sounds interesting in this category is the GiiNii Movit (not yet released, but shown off at CES). What can you recommend that's out there now?

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  1. Nokia n810 by murph · · Score: 5, Informative

    No recurring fees, I just picked one up for $222.

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    1. Re:Nokia n810 by Kamokazi · · Score: 5, Informative

      Seconded. Very nice device, and has a physical keyboard, unlike the other one likely to get mentioned a lot.

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    2. Re:Nokia n810 by fm6 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Somebody who's just pulling up information might not want a keyboard. In which case the N800 makes more sense.

    3. Re:Nokia n810 by bluephone · · Score: 5, Informative

      Except the N810 is smaller than the N800, has 2GB of storage built in, and the kb slides out like many cell phones for text message addicts. It's an incredible package.

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    4. Re:Nokia n810 by kabloom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A librarian is probably querying a lot, not just pulling up information from predefined bookmarks. I'm sure a keyboard will be greatly appreciated.

    5. Re:Nokia n810 by monopole · · Score: 4, Informative

      Amen to that. I've got the 770, n800 and an n810. The n810 wins out for this app due to the keyboard, and the size which is small enough to put in your breast pocket or in a belt holster. WiFi is good and the display is fantastic. Onboard GPS sucks but otherwise an excellent device.

      Boot time is a bit long, but power management is sufficient to leave on for a long time.
       

    6. Re:Nokia n810 by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

      or in a belt holster.

      That's a good look.

      Nothing says "sex appeal" like a portable WiFi browsing device in a belt holster.

      But there's no law that says everyone has to get laid, so go ahead. Be bold.

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    7. Re:Nokia n810 by despisethesun · · Score: 5, Informative

      The N800 also has the advantage of taking regular SDHC cards, rather than the miniSD used in the N810. The full size ones are cheaper, and the N800 can hold 2 of them. And they can be set up as part of the root file system, if you're technically inclined. Plus miniSD cards can be a pain to find in decent capacities, they're kind of the red-headed stepchild of the SD family.

      The on screen keyboard on the N800 is not bad either. Obviously not as good as a physical kb but more than adequate. It's tough to go wrong either way, though, as they're both excellent devices. Definitely the best handhelds available for their purpose.

      (Typed out on my N800. :)

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    8. Re:Nokia n810 by rtb61 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Keyboard or nor keyboard, not really the driver in the most appropriate selection. The main driver is how do you comfortably carry the device. Leaving the counter, carrying books, walking around the stacks tidying up etc. So obviously the most useful and cost effective device will be a typical netbook, getting it to the spot where it will be used, keeping in charged up between uses are the problem to be solved.

      So small enough to fit comfortable in a pocket will end up generally speaking to small to be really useful, large enough and with suitable input devices is awkward to carry in your hands while you want to do other things and certainly doesn't fit in a typical pocket. So netbook stored in some kind of comfortable wearable pouch, shoulder holster, apron, bumpack etc. combined with a docking station for quick convenient recharging now add in a pen styled, optical scanner/bar code reader and you are done.

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    9. Re:Nokia n810 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is that the internet in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

    10. Re:Nokia n810 by supernova_hq · · Score: 2, Informative

      How has nobody in this thread mentioned the N810's built in GPS? Nothing says "I know where wifi is" than a list of geo-coords to back it up!

      Not to mention that the built in map program has a list of Gizmo (paid) wifi spots. There is also osm2go that allows you to edit osm maps (adding wifi spots, etc) on the fly in the field

    11. Re:Nokia n810 by despisethesun · · Score: 4, Informative

      You've clearly never actually used one of the Nokia tablets. They're plenty usable at their size and they fit easily in a pocket. I've gotten a lot more mileage out of mine than I expected when I bought it, and it's become an indispensable tool for managing the network at work. They are, without a doubt, exactly what foxxo was asking for.

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    12. Re:Nokia n810 by maxume · · Score: 5, Informative

      The miniSD thing isn't that big a thing:

      4GB for $8:

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211343

      16GB for $42 (which is only about $12 out of line with regular size SDHC)

      http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134912

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    13. Re:Nokia n810 by QuestionsNotAnswers · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Buy micro-SDHC cards and use an adapter (adapters are very cheap, and often come free with micro-SDHC cards).

      I now only buy micro-SDHC cards and use an adapter when necessary with older devices. (All my devices are SDHC compatible, not SD which is limited to 2GB and won't work with larger capacities).

      Bonus 1: Get a small USB<->micro-SD adapter for a few dollars and you don't need a USB key anymore either.

      Bonus 2: Can easily carry multiple micro-SD cards on you - normal SD cards are too bulky.

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    14. Re:Nokia n810 by FlyingBishop · · Score: 5, Funny

      I would jump any woman wearing a WiFi browsing device in a belt holster in a second.

      Oh, I see what you mean. Nevermind.

    15. Re:Nokia n810 by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The belt holster is the pocket protector of the 21st century. But don't worry retro-nerds, the GP assures us it fits in your shirt pocket.

      The belt holster is also the pocket protector of the 20th century, used by millions of geeks to carry their slide rules and later their HP calculators.

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    16. Re:Nokia n810 by itomato · · Score: 3, Informative

      With the n810 you can have the best of everything (almost):

      - Full Debian installation, including GTK and KDE apps
      - Android
      - Newton OS via Einstein
      - Any platform where an emulator is available for ARM
      - Bluetooth, WiFi, Webcam, Skype, built-in GPS (lousy)

      All in all, it sounds like the ultimate development package. The major downside is the speed. Application response is a good 10% slower than it should be. A second negative point might be the GPS performance, which is widely reported to be weak, which I can attest to first hand, It's kind of fragile, and doesn't respond well to gravity checks, but the slide-out keyboard and brilliant flip-out stand/finger sling make it usable in a wide variety of situations - standing at a bar, sitting down, plus it comes with a novel vehicle mount. I assume the developers counted on the use of the device in its fulle GPS capacity. No doubt, it would be awesome, but it's just not quite there..

      Fifteenthed.

    17. Re:Nokia n810 by theillien · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or you can get an 8GB microSD with a miniSD adapter. I bought a Kingston kit which came with the microSD card, a mini adapter, standard adapter and USB adapter for $16 from Amazon. I believe the 16GB kit was $25 or so. That said, I thirded the n810 notion. I have the Wimax edition and I'm quite happy with it.

    18. Re:Nokia n810 by xSauronx · · Score: 2, Informative

      indeed. i went from a thinkpad to a netbook for the sake of portability, the thinkpad was just a bit more than i needed on the go.

      i considered an 810, and thats what came to mind when i saw the front page post, but i need a new phone and expect to get a blackberry or something with internet access, and didnt want to basically end up carrying 2 devices like that on me, so i got the netbook which will let me be a little productive.

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    19. Re:Nokia n810 by 5pp000 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have not gotten the micro-to-mini SDHC adapters to work in my N810. Looking closely at the differences between the adapter and an actual mini-SDHC card, I see that the contacts on the adapter are slightly recessed, while those on the card are on the bottom surface. Apparently the little wires in my N810 don't come up high enough to reliably make contact with the adapters. I don't know if many others have had this problem.

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    20. Re:Nokia n810 by carlzum · · Score: 4, Informative
      That's something I've never heard of, but according to Wikipedia people really walked around with slide rules on their belt.

      Some engineering students and engineers carried ten-inch slide rules in belt holsters, and even into the mid 1970s this was a common sight on campuses. Students also might keep a ten-or twenty-inch rule for precision work at home or the office while carrying a five-inch pocket slide rule around with them.

    21. Re:Nokia n810 by Askjeffro · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just realize that the n810 can only accept up to a 8GB card; 16GB will not work.

    22. Re:Nokia n810 by Gandalf_Greyhame · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bonus 2: Can easily carry multiple micro-SD cards on you - normal SD cards are too bulky.

      What the hell do you mean, SD cards are too bulky? I mean, FUCK! I know that the micro-SD cards are smaller, but even the normal SD cards aren't exactly massive.

      What else don't you carry because they are too bulky? Wallet? Car keys?

      Seriously, grow some balls mate!

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    23. Re:Nokia n810 by 5pp000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Word on the Net is that the 16GB cards do work, even though Nokia hasn't updated their Web site to mention them. See for example Internet Tablet Talk for confirmation.

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    24. Re:Nokia n810 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dude... this is a librarian we're talking about.

      All this means is she has to take off the belt holster before removing her glasses as the backlighting glistens playfully off her hair while she shakes it out in slow motion and two, maybe three blouse buttons come mysteriously undone revealing ample cleavage before the protagonist realizes that it wasn't actually the popular girl (whom, by the way the librarian had hatched a wacky plot to get the protagonist a date with, which turned out allright but in the end unsatisfying) he was in love with, but the librarian he was best friends with since they were six who everyone only THOUGHT was ugly because... umm... she wore glasses and kept her hair up in a bun. Bonus points if the chorus to Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah" is playing, but it would probably be something corny like this song.

      Sheez. Haven't you ever seen a movie?

    25. Re:Nokia n810 by Warll · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Seriously, grow some balls mate!"
      They are also too bulky!

    26. Re:Nokia n810 by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Interesting
      What the hell do you mean, SD cards are too bulky?

      Actually, I have balls and I sort of agree.

      SD cards are large enough to get cracked, scratched and broken when I keep them in my pocket. Micro SD are small enough not to be subject to the same damage.

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    27. Re:Nokia n810 by drb_chimaera · · Score: 2, Informative

      No problems here - I've basically standardised on using MicroSD cards here then adapting them to fit whichever device it needs, and have yet to have a problem.

    28. Re:Nokia n810 by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's something I've never heard of, but according to Wikipedia people really walked around with slide rules on their belt.

      And I was one of them. Having a belt holster for a straight slide rule (10-12 inch) was fairly standard among engineers then. I still have a couple of old slide rules at home: a good slide rule is something you don't easily part with.

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    29. Re:Nokia n810 by redxxx · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right. Nokia has only tested 8gb cards. I have a 16 which works just fine.

    30. Re:Nokia n810 by redxxx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's just you. Have you actually tried more than one adapter? They cost a few cents to make, so I could see quality control not being a huge issue.

    31. Re:Nokia n810 by vrmlguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Put them in a pouch or tin. Keeps all the cruft out too (if the tin had sweets in, wash it first!).

      Now you tell me! I was keeping my microSD cards in an Altoids tin. Then one day I reached for a mint and swallowed 8gb instead.

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    32. Re:Nokia n810 by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      10 PRINT THANKS FOR ADDING NOTHING.
      20 GOTO 10


      Isn't the capital letter filter just special?

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    33. Re:Nokia n810 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      SD cards do come with cases which protect them from said abuse. Also Micro SD are also subject to damage as they are thin as hell and are easier to lose.

    34. Re:Nokia n810 by CannedTurkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      Untrue - They will work with at least 32GB. They are SDHC compatible. There's a guy in the 810 community selling MiniSD to SD adapters, so that if you're using the larger battery pack (with accompanying larger battery cover) you can install standard SD cards.

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    35. Re:Nokia n810 by lazarusdishwasher · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Library. So big it doesn't need a name - just a great big "the."
      http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Library

    36. Re:Nokia n810 by Orange+Crush · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ^and that's with the plastic outer casing. MicroSD cards could be made even smaller if there was a good reason to do so. As if it wasn't difficult enough to handle them. Especially when you're as clumsy and fat-fingered as I am.

    37. Re:Nokia n810 by roc97007 · · Score: 2, Informative

      From personal experience, I've found that SD cards can get chewed up by a small dog but micro-SD cards pass through unscathed.

      Don't ask...

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  2. Low Cost? by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

    iPhone or iPod touch, assuming what you want to access is browser based.
    Low price? Not so much, but if you have one anyway... Or were looking for a tax write off this might be the way to go.

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    1. Re:Low Cost? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

      The poster did say nothing with a monthly fee.

      Since the library certainly has Wi-Fi already, the iPod Touch is a good possibility, unless he wants to input any queries on a regular basis.

      I love my Touch but I prefer real buttons to the virtual ones.

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    2. Re:Low Cost? by mochan_s · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the iPod touch keyboard is really bad. Trying to enter an search string in iPod touch would be a nightmare.

      I think one of those slide phones with querty keyboard would be much better. I'm sure there are ones with wifi.

    3. Re:Low Cost? by Simon80 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      maemo (on N800, N810) lets you pop up a full screen virtual finger keyboard that is pretty fast to type on, though the screen gets a bit dirty as a result. With the N810, there's a real keyboard, too, which is even better, I guess (I only have an N800, which was $200). I wouldn't get an iPod for browsing the web, especially if flash support is desired. For those who aren't following the tablets closely, however, it seems safe to predict that Nokia will be releasing a new version in about 3-5 months, based on the state of the next maemo release, and how long it's been since the N810 came out.

    4. Re:Low Cost? by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm trying to figure out how someone manages to misspell "qwerty"?

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    5. Re:Low Cost? by Wanon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      lol, that's the first time I've heard the iphone's massive price tag spun as a plus!

      I'm glad it costs so much! I can get a bigger tax refund this way!

    6. Re:Low Cost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      He probably uses a querty keyboard, you insensitive clod.

    7. Re:Low Cost? by pokopoko3k · · Score: 3, Funny

      They're probably using a Dworak keyboard. (forgive any misspelling-- i'm using Qwerty, obviously)

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    8. Re:Low Cost? by Yold · · Score: 4, Funny

      Its the U.K. spelling you insensitive clod!

    9. Re:Low Cost? by dokebi · · Score: 2, Informative

      He's probably using Dvorak, like me. I certainly find typing "querty" easier than "qwerty". Dvorak layout is so good that it even corrects qwerty's spelling mistakes! :)

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    10. Re:Low Cost? by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

      While it is true that no on-screen keyboard can ever match a physical keyboard in ease of use, I know of a lot of people who are quite fast and accurate at typing on their iPhones, I'm not a big fan of them either, but when you get used to them you can type decently

      yeaf it[s grue - I am tyoinh on mu iPhone riggt now and I can ty[e p5etty fadt on tjis thing

  3. iPod Touch by erayd · · Score: 5, Informative

    Gotta say the cheapest iPod touch is probably going to be a good bet here, particularly as it's a wifi-only device; you don't have to buy a whole cellphone at the same time.

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    1. Re:iPod Touch by erroneus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think "niche market" means what you think it means.

      What you mean to say is that the Nokia devices aren't well known or used by many people. It is QUITE easy to use the the N810 is excellent. I have one. The N800, however, uses memory cards that are more compatible. Both have bluetooth which means a folding bluetooth keyboard can be used on either device. N810 has GPS built in... but I am going off on a tangent. The N8x0 is very easy to use and a lot more web standards compliant than the ipod touch.

    2. Re:iPod Touch by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Not sure if you've been to many library web sites... but they tend not to be heavy on Flash.

      I dunno about that, we used to not have a lot of javascript crap on em either. The 'web designers' are killing the internet I tell ya. And you kids get off my lawn!

      The point being if you do much Internet searching you are bound to hit Flash, Java, etc. And the i* products aren't designed for real Internet access, just the stuff Apple wants you to do on them. The same locked experience as any other browser on a phone, only more from being locked and less from being lame and crufty.

      Compare to the Nokia I mentioned which runs a Mozilla based product with a real Adobe ARM port of Flash 9 on a display good enough (800x480) to display real web pages instead of a 'mobile phone' experience that often totally fails unless the site has a special reduced 'mobile' version. Sorry, Apple's stuff looks pretty but the tech is always second rate.

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    3. Re:iPod Touch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      iPod Touch (or else, Sony Mylo)

      1. $229 new from Apple, or you can get it cheaper used on eBay, Craigslist, etc.

      2. The screen is large and has great resolution.

      3. Contrary to what other commenters have said, the iPod Touch / iPhone browser is excellent. Very easy to use, and renders web pages very well. Even pages with a lot of Javascript work just fine. While true that it does not support Flash, I think that is fine - especially for the use you describe. Most importantly, it allows for very quick navigation to favorites/bookmarks, and allows for easy scrolling through lists, zooming, etc.

      4. Someone (you) could write a dedicated iPhone/iPod Touch App that does just what you want, potentially improving over the basic web interface. This is not necessary, but is a nice option to have. Alternatively, one can use the free iUI Javascript/CSS library to make the web app that you mention work even better on the device.

      5. It's here to stay.

      6. It has a decent camera. You could snap a shot of the ISBN number, cover, etc. if that turns out to be useful.

      Potential downside: If you need to enter a large amount of text, say for your queries, then you should test the device first and see if you feel comfortable with the on-screen keyboard. Personally, I don't like it much - if you do have to type a lot, then something with full QWERTY keyboard buttons might be better.

      Alternative: Sony Mylo

      1. $199 (free shipping from Sony Style)

      2. Full physical QWERTY keyboard.

      http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=3711&N=4294965990

    4. Re:iPod Touch by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, but it's usage is exactly the same functions as ipod touch. It does more than ipod touch, but otherwise they are extremely comparable devices. A niche market is one that fits a limited range of use or purpose that isn't necessarily mainstream.

    5. Re:iPod Touch by jmorris42 · · Score: 4, Informative

      > 1. $229 new from Apple, or you can get it cheaper used on eBay, Craigslist, etc.

      Yea and an N810 is $259 and a lot more usable AS A WEB BROWSER. Yes the iPod is probably a better music player but that wasn't the question.

      > 2. The screen is large and has great resolution.

      No. 480x320 is NOT high resolution. Few non mobile phone optimized pages are going to display on that. The N8x0 series has 800x480. Do the math. Hopefully Apple fanbois can still do simple X > Y type reasoning.

      > 4. Someone (you) could write a dedicated iPhone/iPod Touch App that does just what you want

      And the Nokia runs Mameo, a Linux based open platform. Besides writing a full GTK app you can program something up in one of the SIMPLE SCRIPTING LANGUAGES THAT APPLE FORBIDS. And you don't need to get anything signed by Apple before passing it around. So your point was?

      > 5. It's here to stay.

      Because we all know Nokia is tettering on the brink of insolvency.

      > Alternative: Sony Mylo

      Discontinued, no replacement mentioned. You really should LOOK at a URL before you post it. But it really looked like an interesting product, hope Sony does get around to refreshing the line.

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    6. Re:iPod Touch by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Informative

      These days no flash == broken.

      Uh, to many of us, no Flash == much more functional, not broken.

    7. Re:iPod Touch by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      And the i* products aren't designed for real Internet access, just the stuff Apple wants you to do on them.

      Now you've done it.

      Every time you say something negative about Apple, you make Jesus cry.

      Shame on you.

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    8. Re:iPod Touch by jmorris42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      > Uh, to many of us, no Flash == much more functional, not broken.

      Not at all. You just have to install the flashblock plugin so you have control over the crap and can still access the useful stuff.

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    9. Re:iPod Touch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      6. It has a decent camera.

      There is no camera. Only the iPhone has a camera.

      The camera is a lie.

    10. Re:iPod Touch by jmorris42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > I still don't get why anyone would design a media browser that doesn't play flash.

      Because Flash has enough functionality that, if it were the only way, people could write whole apps with it. And since the iPhone is a totally locked platform it had to go to close off that possibility. Because people would have done it, Apple was correct in their assessment of the risk to the App Store's monopoly. With Apple products you have to realize control is more important than being useful. It just has to look pretty, the Reality Distortion Field will sell the product regardless how many features are missing or how expensive it is.

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    11. Re:iPod Touch by Gizzmonic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Erroneus, despite your name, you're right. There's a difference between "niche" which means it can only appeal to a small audience (whether by design or inherent limitations) and "obscure" which implies it could appeal to a larger audience, but is not well known. Kinda like noise music vs. the MC5!

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    12. Re:iPod Touch by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Compare to the Nokia I mentioned which runs a Mozilla based product with a real Adobe ARM port of Flash 9 on a display good enough (800x480) to display real web pages instead of a 'mobile phone' experience that often totally fails unless the site has a special reduced 'mobile' version. Sorry, Apple's stuff looks pretty but the tech is always second rate.

      You might consider actually trying the Safari browser on the iPhone or iPod Touch before commenting on the way it works. The browser displays exactly the same thing you'd see on your "real" computer, just smaller - unlike, say, the Windows Mobile version of IE (although even that is changing, finally). Most reviews of the web-browsing experience on the iPhone/Touch have commented on the true HTML rendering of mobile Safari - even those reviews that've lamented the lack of Flash.

      People do sometimes write special pages designed for the iPhone's smaller screen; but they could just as easily do the same thing for a Nokia phone or any other small device - and there's no requirement to do any of that.

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    13. Re:iPod Touch by Donniedarkness · · Score: 2, Informative
      I dislike Apple for the most part, but I have to comment on #'s 1 and 2.

      1.It's actually got a very good web browser.

      2. If I understand correctly, it's the PPI that makes the Ipod Touch's screen so clear, not the resolution. I've owned one, and I was VERY pleasantly surprised by how clear things were on it.

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    14. Re:iPod Touch by theillien · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funny, I have a man's hands and I've not had any problem using the keyboard on an N810. Perhaps you just try *too* much to be manly and push too hard. Have something you're trying to compensate for?

    15. Re:iPod Touch by Foofoobar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Surely, you just THINK you have mans hands. or rather... you just THINK you have mans hands, Shirley.

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    16. Re:iPod Touch by foo+fighter · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's pretty clear you have never seriously used the iPod Touch for web surfing. I dispute your implication that it offers an inferior web browsing experience.

      Its 480x320 display is bright and clear. It's web browser is fantastic. I have never wished for or looked for the mobile version of a web site while using it. Its keyboard is good enough to let me enter this post.

      It's also important to recognize that the iPod Touch is much smaller than an n-series: about 20% shorter, 20% skinnier, 40% thinner, and 45% lighter. I often forget my iPod touch is in my pocket when going through security. When I evaluated the n800 i gave up trying to walk with it in my pocket.

      The merits of either platform are open to debate. I find the Mobile OS X platform to match my needs, but the submitter should look at both before making a decision.

      P.S. You come across as much of an immature fanboy as the gp. Please take the level of vitriol and sarcasm down a couple notches.

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    17. Re:iPod Touch by Warll · · Score: 2, Informative

      @2: Correct, which is why the Nokia_N810's will look clearer, 225 > 163.

    18. Re:iPod Touch by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think you're wrong. Javascript and Canvas/HTML5 have just as much functionality as Flash, if not more, and Apple openly promotes and encourages development of Javascript apps, even though they bypass the App Store.

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    19. Re:iPod Touch by cbhacking · · Score: 3, Informative

      Heh... Flashblock is nice, but the REAL killer plugin for a handheld web browser is AdBlock Plus (yes, it's available for n800/n810 - there's a plugin repo, and it uses the standard ABP filters). Faster load times, less clutter on the screen (800x480 is a good resolution for a handheld but you still don't want to waste space on ads), and no crappy flash ads at all.

      This feature alone makes the n8x0 the best handheld browsing device I'm aware of right now, though I suppose it's only a matter of time until there's an Android browser with ad-blocking.

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    20. Re:iPod Touch by CrystalX · · Score: 2, Informative

      From what I've read, the reason that Apple didn't allow Flash on the iPhone was because Adobe couldn't produce a version of it that didn't consume a lot of power. Apple very much values the battery life of the iPhone, and putting an inefficient Flash port on the iPhone would threaten this.

      Look here for a proper discussion:
      > http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/01/31/adobe_apple_working_together_on_flash_for_iphone.html

  4. Sony PSP... by powerlinekid · · Score: 3, Informative

    Surprisingly its my PSP that I usually break out in situations where I need to browse the web but can't be at the computer. Yes its a game system but the wifi\browser are fairly decent if you can live without WPA2. I'm not too sure what else is out there, but a PSP can be purchased in the $150 to $200 range.

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  5. Define 'portable'? by fractoid · · Score: 4, Informative

    For sitting in a wifi coffee shop, I'd say my Eee 900 is a great compromise. Then again, having watched my friend playing with his iPhone I'd have to say that, for ultraportable / ultraconvenient / always with you access, the iPhone (or iPod touch) are probably the best you can get.

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    1. Re:Define 'portable'? by EvanED · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Define 'portable'"? Is "I need something I can carry in my pocket, not a micro-notebook with full keyboard" (FTFS) enough of a definition?

    2. Re:Define 'portable'? by fractoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think the problem is that we have two strongly conflicting design criteria here. The device needs to be both small enough to put in a pocket (ie. around the size of one of your hands) while simultaneously being big enough to type on (ie. at least as wide as both of your hands put together with fingers slightly spread).

      Maybe a rollup keyboard would be suitable but the third constraint (that of convenience) kinda dictates that the device not be multiple parts that you have to assemble. Until we have an e-paper plus rolly keyboard arrangement for a fully flexible subnotebook-sized device that rolls up to fit in a pocket, it's going to be hard to fit the bill.

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  6. refurb ipod touch by fermion · · Score: 3, Interesting
    A refub 1st gen iPod touch might be a good bet. As long as there is a wifi connection, it will be able to browse. Under $200.

    On another note, I think this is where Amazon really missed the market for the Kindle. If it had wifi, and had a web browser, then the kindle would be one of the greatest pieces of hardware on the market, and perfect for this type of application. Of course if it had wifi, then Amazon would certainly lose revenue on book sales and would not be able to pay the cell phone bill that currently allows wireless delivery.

    In any case, there are a number of option out there, but wifi without cell phone there is no choice, and most other options are twice the price fo the touch.

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    1. Re:refurb ipod touch by spandex_panda · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Web surfing and particularly flash web surfing takes up a bit of CPU, so I reckon this is why ipod tough etc. don't have flash. How does the N810/800 go with flash games etc.? I reckon the Kindle would crumble before most web pages when the bloody flashing adds start playing.

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  7. I'm hoping the Pandora's a good one... by ckblackm · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Re:I'm hoping the Pandora's a good one... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would've ordered one, but my country's exchange rate is shit right now

      Wow, where are you that has a currency doing worse than the pound at the moment? It's fallen by around 25% against most other world currencies in the last six months.

      The Pandora does, indeed, look very shiny, but they sold out within 8 hours of accepting orders, so I don't imagine they will be easy to get for a while. In January, Freescale launched the i.MX515 CPU, which is similar to the OMAP3530 found in the Pandora but runs at 1GHz+ and costs about half as much in bulk. The next couple of months are likely to see quite a few interesting devices released using these chips.

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  8. Used HTC MDA by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 3, Interesting

    should be available cheap, put on the opera mobile browser
    and you are all set to go.

  9. TMobile G1 by Nephroth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I absolutely love mine. The browser is excellent for a mobile device, the hardware is robust, and the physical keyboard/trackball makes browsing a breeze. The browser supports java, and will also soon support flash, you really can't ask for more.

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    1. Re:TMobile G1 by Nephroth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry you took such offense. I do feel the need to defend myself by pointing out that the G1 functions just fine without a sim card and is more than happy to connect to a WAP. Secondly, you can pick up a gently used G1 on ebay for about the cost of an iPod touch and it's an open platform which is something I think most people on slashdot would approve of. Finally, the poster said "no cellphone-style activation and service fees" which simply means that they don't want a contract, just a wap device and most of the devices discussed here are within the 300-400 dollar range anyway so I guess I don't see why it was necessary to be so rude.

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  10. iPod Touch. by MrCrassic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    if there is one device that has absolutely nailed the portable web browsing category, it's the iPhone. I've used Blackberry devices, Windows Mobile smartphones, a bit of Symbian and Palm, and nothing could render most of the web as good as Portable Safari has been able to.

    Additionally, they can be found for under $200.

  11. Yay Wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just found this on wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handhelds_with_WiFi_connectivity

  12. 800 pixel wide screen a must by Freedom+Bug · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have a Nokia N810, and think the 800 pixel wide screen is its killer feature. With an 800 pixel screen you can run any web site and not be stuck in the "mobile ghetto".

    1. Re:800 pixel wide screen a must by itomato · · Score: 2, Informative

      Plus you can zoom back to 80% for really expansive sites, or in to 120% for narrow/small ones.

  13. Re:Nintendo DS Browser by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...I tried using that... it was, painful, to say the least. The iPod touch does a much better job of browsing and can be found for about the price of the browser + DS.

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  14. MIssing Info from Question by mcspoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Think the question missed an important point: does she want to be able to search from a web-enabled OPAC or does she need to use Windows in order to access a ILS system? As an example: Sirsi uses software called "Workflows" to access the actual ILS (Integrated Library System) in order to search the catalog, place, holds, order items, etc. The only approved OS's for this software is Windows XP (and Vista... just barely). This discludes just about any Android or Linux enabled device, but her mileage may vary by what ILS her library relies upon. If that's the case, then you can find examples of this at libraries around the nation. As an example, South Lyon Library in MI has "Roaming Reference" capability through the use of Tablets. Some of the newer Netbooks are likely more than capable as well, if not quite as portable.

    1. Re:MIssing Info from Question by jayrtfm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      but she can run vnc on the nokia to access her desktop

  15. Get a Cheap Used Palm Tungsten C by CAOgdin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Put in a cheap WiFi Router in the Library (set for 802.11b only; the Palm can do 802.11g), and WEP for security (if you must; why not let others use the same database?). Cost: About $35 Now, buy a used Palm Tungsten C from eBay (about $75), and make sure the seller guarantees the WiFi will work (many don't). Now you have, for roughly $125, your own link to the network, and no further monthly expenses. I've got lots of clients where we do this; I use my Tungsten with those system almost every day.

  16. Re:Nokia n800 ain't bad. by despisethesun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you click the centre button on the dpad when the cursor is in a text field, it brings up a larger, more thumb-friendly on screen keyboard. Much nicer when typing more than a few words, such as for a slashdot reply.

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  17. Zaurus? by dr_dank · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've got a Sharp Zaurus 6000 that has all of the features you're looking for: built-in wifi, a physical keyboard, and a sharp and bright touchscreen. The later zauruses might be even better with the clamshell design and better battery life. The only drawback is that they're not as easy to find since Sharp discontinued selling them in the US.

    If you don't mind getting the WiFi from a compactflash wifi adapter instead of being build-in, the older 5500's turn up frequently for a reasonable price.

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  18. What kind of browsing? by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm surprised no one's suggested Kindle yet. From what I've read, it would fit a few use cases.

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    1. Re:What kind of browsing? by Zerth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The kindle2 does have a web browser. It is, however, worse than a cellphone browser for anything other than relatively plain text pages.

      And since it uses the cell network, if you don't have signal, you're outta luck.

      Plus it's expensive compared to older web tablet types that would be more functional.

  19. Archos 5 is my current favorite by russg · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have a look at the Archos devices. You can pickup some of the older models with Wifi as refurbished.
    My Archos 5 is my, surf, watch movies, store data, listen to music, and play games device. The current 5 and 7 are called "Internet Media Tablets".
    With Opera as the browser and flash support its really a nice internet experience for a small device.

  20. I also have all three and prefer the 770 by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 2, Informative

    The keyboard on the n810 is almost perfectly flat with a hairline space between keys. Hitting multiple keys is extremely easy, and it is necessary to look at the keys while carefully clicking with my fingernails. The thumbboard on my Tungsten C is a fraction of the size, but far more useful. Even the popup stylus keyboard on the 770 is less trouble. The 770 automatically goes into suspend when the metal cover is flipped back on - unlike the slide button on the n810 that can get triggered accidentally - and it doesn't insist on wearing out the screen while charging.

    1. Re:I also have all three and prefer the 770 by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There's an option for "Device Stays Lit" that can be set to either "when charging" or "never"... but it still turns on the display, only to block almost all of the screen as black and show the text "charging" along with an animated icon. Apparently, this can even cause it to lose power while attempting to charge by USB.

  21. Touch by shmlco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Use the Touch with Google's free search app, and you can SPEAK your search term into the system. Works extremely well.

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    1. Re:Touch by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sounds perfect FOR A LIBRARY! I'd love my concentration to be interupted by the googling of the librarians

  22. Actually, it's not the criticism of Apple Products by weston · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... that bugs.

    It's this habit that the anti-fanbois -- a population much more rabid and present on Slashdot than actual strawman fanbois bandied about here -- have of insulting anybody who has decided the Apple products meet their needs best.

    Apple Fan: I really like my iProduct! It fits

    AntiFanbois: Pshaw. *MY* favorite product had the features I prefer two years earlier! I see no value in iProduct! People who buy it are stupid and easily distracted by shiny things!

    Apple Fan: You're kindof a jerk.

    AntiFanbois: See? Apple Fans can't take well-reasoned criticism of their beloved products! It's a cult!

    Apple Fan: I'm not sure we can be friends.

    AntiFanbois: See? They isolate you socially! Totally a cult!

  23. CONSIDER an iPod touch... by sootman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... because, unlike the Nokia, you probably know someone who owns a touch or an iPhone and you can test it before buying! Or, if the online resources are web-accessible (as opposed to only available in the library) you can just go to an Apple store (if there's one nearby) and check one out there. Not that I have anything against the Nokia, but there's no reason to buy something sight-unseen if you don't have to. If it looks like the iPod won't work for you, you can consider alternatives. The Nokia tablets have larger screens but the iPod's pan-and-zoom system works pretty well and its small size is great.

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  24. Re:Actually, it's not the criticism of Apple Produ by Phroon · · Score: 4, Funny

    First we had Fanbois; but they went out of control and we were forced to create the AntiFanbois.

    But the AntiFanbois too went out of control, and here we see the development of the Anti-Anti-Fanboi.

    I fear this arms race will never end.

  25. Re:Actually, it's not the criticism of Apple Produ by memoryhole · · Score: 2, Funny

    If only they had thought of the Anti-Anti-Anti-Fanboi! The fools! When will they ever learn?!?

  26. Re:Actually, it's not the criticism of Apple Produ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I fear this arms race will never end.

    Which will result in quite some arms...
    Soon, the world of swimming will be dominated by former slashdoters.

  27. 'let me google that for you' in real life by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I'm a library worker, so I get lots of questions about our collection when I'm out in the stacks. I'd love to be able to access our online catalog and give patrons more comprehensive guidance without directing them to the reference desk."

    Okay, but how does your supervisor feel about that idea?

    A reference librarian's entire job is to help patrons find relevant information, and they had to earn a graduate degree in the field in order to get that job. A "library worker", who has been tasked with re-shelving books in the stacks, is not a capable substitute. Even if he/she has a wifi-enabled PDA.

    I've worked as a page myself, I know that patrons will always approach the first member of the library staff they spot. But when somebody has a reference question, the only appropriate response is to direct them to a reference librarian for assistance

  28. Re:Actually, it's not the criticism of Apple Produ by M-RES · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...and nobody's thinking of the children!!! :O