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New Ice Structure Could Help Seed Clouds, Cause Rain
ScienceDaily is reporting that a new ice chain structure may provide a better method for seeding clouds and causing rain. "Ice structures are usually built out of simple hexagonal arrangements of water molecules and this hexagonal building block motif is easily observed in the structures of snowflakes. However, during their studies Dr Angelos Michaelides and co-workers from the Fritz Haber Institute, Berlin, and the University of Liverpool have discovered a natural nanoscale ice structure formed of pentagons."
Holy Bokonon! It's the end of the world!
Lemmings are silly; dinosaurs are extinct.
A science fiction history about ice that is stable at room temperatura, so iceize the adjacent water. Causing the apocalipsys wen one piece of ice9 accidentally touch the sea.
-Woof woof woof!
I can see on the tags that I am not the only one who thought so
they do not necessarily need to focus on materials that have hexagonal surfaces - other types of surfaces may be good too.
Which is why the title includes 'could'. It's another stepping stone people, enough with the ice-#.
In soviet russia, the pentagon snows on YOU.
FTFA - "Snow is made of hexagons. We changed it up and used fucking PENTAGONS."
Won't someone think of the children who on the way to school will be pelted
with snowballs of an ever increasing diameter?
I'm off to make fire hotter using a goddamn nano-rhombus. Donations for science anyone?
Maybe I just don't understand the subject enough but from TFA "... there is no a priori rule that hexagons should form... and when people are searching for new ice nucleating agents which can be used to seed clouds and cause rain, they do not necessarily need to focus on materials that have hexagonal surfaces - other types of surfaces may be good too."
Nowhere do I see a claim that this pentagonal structure is superior, just that this opens up the potential that there are other structures as well and that one yet undiscovered structure could be beneficial for cloud seeding.
I can't believe you don't know what a Hasemalphaginnojinglanaporphomism is.
Yet another form of Ice to add the existing 16-odd arrangements.
you got it wrong. ... you get the general idea.
It's all about the butterfly.
In your case that would be:
If a butterfly flaps its wings in Mozambique and a tornado starts in Canada and causes so much damage that the Prime Minister of Canada has a "heartburn"
see? butterfly, wingflap, tornado. essential stuff
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int 21h
So would this be the latest tool in war? Simply drown your enemies land. Nukes almost seem safer, or at least less destructive.
I thought the real problem with global warming was humans CAUSING it. We were CAUSING the change and making it bad. How is involvment it CREATING clouds and making it rain any better. Sounds worse to me.
We need to stop trying to shape infinitly complex systems we do not understand, because there WILL be unintended consequences.
My addiction: Arguing with idiots. AKA Slashdot!
er, no. just replace butterfly with mouse fart and you get the same thing.
farting mouse, PM with heartburn, Oh Canada! and bad tribal tattoos in Mozambique.
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The Fed's are quick to regulate what we can put into the atmosphere, but would they care what we took out? That is until it started changing the climates for their constituents.
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy. http://stewartlee.org
Shouldn't it have been:
Pentagon may control weather!
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
Perhaps it isn't Vonnegut so much as Ursula LeGuin we should look to here. You can't cast a light without creating a shadow. Do we know that creating rain somewhere will not cause drought elsewhere?
As in the symbol often associated with Witchcraft and Devil worship?!
I've often said, "Go to H***!" to people who bother me. Perhaps I should say, "Go to Heaven!" instead?
I think to say that Science Daily does any reporting is stretching the definition of reporting a bit much. I think "rewritten from a press release" is more like it.
If you want a real news piece, with real reporting, check out the article on the same paper over at New Scientist. They actually talked with the scientist involved in the study (and one that wasn't).
Per Square Mile, a blog about density
bush seeded Katrina to raise oil prices after he and his co pilot were already comfortably established in Iraq because bush had the Taliban take down the twin towers and the high gas prices would also strangulate many small businesses thereby causing an influx in military enlistment to further his war on fuel. I know flamebait... but just imagine it kinda makes sense doesn't it?
Please, just do not let it drop into the river, lake or ocean!!!
Quite dumb-proof, isn't it? :)
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Btw, its ice-nine by Kurt Vonegut if anybody is wondering.
hany
initiallty. However ice would reflect light, cooling the earth...
As I look out at the ugly piles of black, dirt encrusted ice, I have to wonder: If white reflects heat, and black absorbs it, why is it that the big piles of white snow are long since melted away, and the big piles of dirty black snow are still here?
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
How long till the "pentawater" people seize on this as "proof" of their unfounded claims about their bottled magic-water?
(Slightly related - UK slashdotters can sign a petition to protest OfQuack (aka CNHC) certifying unproven Supplementary, Complementary and Alternative Medicine procedures.)
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Somewhere in here there's a joke about pentagonal snowballs in hell and the end of the world. I just can't make it coalesce.
We've fixed it. Its Ice 9.1 now.
Have gnu, will travel.
Isn't continual rain something that happened in Bladerunner? Do we have to buy those lightup umbrellas now? They started being sold recently on thinkgeek. Coincidence? I think not.
"...natural nanoscale ice structure formed of pentagons."
Cripes, an entire structure full of Pentagons? We've got ONE and look how much it costs! Hold on to your wallets...
All this makes me think of Arthur C. Clarke's Rama series and how the new inhabitants of the space vessel manage to screw things up completely, because they put short term personal needs before the balance of the system.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
Don't they know the Ancient Ones are confined to the center of the Pentagon? Now they'll make their escape, one tiny piece at a time!
Mal-2
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
What a great idea... Let's take ice, drop it from the sky, and tell people as it melts that we've created rain!!!
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1147437&cid=27056793 - And, then there is also End of Days method around those restrictions, and others, by End of Days own admission of his using multiple registered accounts here to mod himself up with (and then also many ac replies after it to make it appear that others support him moreso ontop of his self mod up multiple registered accounts he admits to having). That's lame.
You're still going? I kinda like your sense of purpose. It's admirable, if wasted.
We oughta meet for coffee, crazy people seem to like me a lot.
There's no denying your own words in being caught using multiple accounts here to mod yourself up with -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1147437&cid=27056793. You only brought exposure of that going on here by yourself, by harassing others here via your "nefarious methods" (transparent & easily spotted ones). Nobody else said your words for you, after all!
That is unnecessary, as your dad is giving very adequate lessons for free on the corner.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1147437&cid=27056793
You sure can see it, just as I did, where "The End of Days" admits to using multiple registered accounts here to mod himself up with.
That little trick is the resort of the lame loser online imo and that of others who caught him in the act doing it here -> http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1147839&cid=27067213 also.
Man - You "registered account users" don't look very good doing THAT kind of thing, now do you?
(So much for the "almighty wanna be superior registered user" here on this website, eh? Too bad you have all these rotten apples who make it look bad for the rest of you, with your "swarming mod downs" based on little to no (mostly none mind you) actual technically useful commentary that comes with your mod downs of others. This exposure of one of your own, in registered users here, ought to make more than just a few "a/c's" here happy in the fact that we can NEVER be accused of that much (modding one's self up))
water first has to evaporate into the sky. You can't make it rain more if you haven't made more water evaporate into the sky in the first place. Sounds like a better solution would be to just heat up the planet and cause more evaporation. I'm gonna go buy an SUV now.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1147437&cid=27056793 How shameful of you The End of Days. Now you've given every anonymous coward here the ammunition to make every registered poster here look like the loser you are because of your error in admitting to using multiple registered accounts here to mod yourself up and make it appear that you have actual supporters when in reality it is only you doing that and you can no longer fool anyone by those means. At least no anonymous coward can ever be accused of that much, as we can't mod others up or down. So much for registered users, especially ones that try to pull the little trick "The End of Days" here has been caught using & doing via his own admission of it. You've successfully crapped on every registered user because of your tricks, & I hope other registered users realize this also.
I was actually referring to "I blame you" and the parent posts's username "Em Emalb" which is blame me backwards.
Don't mind me, on with your crusade.
This relates to a one-dimensional crystal forming on a flat surface.
I wonder if it's related to the early stages of frost formation on windows, where needles of ice form rapidly on the surface before the ice fills in between them?
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
So how long is it going to be before lots of overpaid lawyers sue the cloud-seeders on the grounds that the communities downwind "own" the rain? Think that's crazy? Try telling that to the communities fighting for the right to put wells in local aquifers against the people way way WAY downstream who think all of the water upstream is theirs.
Do we know that creating rain somewhere will not cause drought elsewhere?
I have heard that it was fear of lawsuits from people downwind, over moisture removed from the air by cloud seeding to create rain on land upwind that otherwise would have ended up as rain on THEIR land, which ended the experiments with cloud seeding to aid agriculture in the USA.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
For free? He paid $12 just to let him watch me masturbate. You must really be ugly.
So how long is it going to be before lots of overpaid lawyers sue the cloud-seeders on the grounds that the communities downwind "own" the rain?
I heard (I think it was in a meteorology class back in the '60s) that the early plans for cloud seeding as an agricultural tool had been scrapped for exactly this reason: Concern that the downwind farmers would sue those upwind who used cloud seeding for denying them the moisture that otherwise might have ended up as rain on THEIR fields.
Water rights are a BIG DEAL for farmers. Cloud seeding doesn't put any more water into the air. When it works at all (the conditions must be right) it just makes the water fall out sooner/faster than it would have on its own. So the downwind farmers would have a valid point about the upwind operation "stealing their water".
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Yeah, we've been thru this before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polywater
What a fool you are 'The End of Days'. You're running yourself out of here by your own stupidity in being caught admitting to having multiple registered accounts here that you obviously use to 'mod yourself up', else why have more than 1 registered account here? Go away, 'luser', In case you haven't realized it yet, you've only done this to yourself here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1147437&cid=27056793 where you were caught & admitted to all that was said about you. You're dumb as a box of rocks.
natural nanoscale ice structure formed of pentagons.
Not more Pentagons! The one just south of Washington, D.C., is more than enough!
Heh, I wouldn't trust them too much:
I say this, because someone on their forums has taken to impersonating me there, by registering as myself there (which is just going to make me go to their hosting provider and have them remove it, & if that fails, I will employ the local law enforcement in their area to do so - I've had to do this before to a Mr. Jeremy Reimer and Mr. Jay Little of arstechnica, who had their websites @ CrystalTech.com & petitiononline.com removed in their entirety or in large portions):
http://dis.4chan.org/read/prog/1235936964/1-40
I came across this impersonation of myself online (via cuts & pastes of my posts here) right after I posted about Windows VISTA, Server 2008, & Windows 7 removing port filtering and also making it impossible to use a 0 inside of a HOSTS file to block out bad IP addresses.
This "oddly" seems to have happened only after when I also caught one of your own here @ slashdot, "The End of Days" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1147437&cid=27056793 admitting to using multiple registered accounts to "mod himself up" here and to use those same registered accounts to mod down others (ontop of his use of ac submissions as well to also make it appear he has further supporters).
Man, to the "The End of Days": I would be a bit worried now were I you, because now it's out of my hands @ this point, & you're the only person who might have any reason to do so. Now, I will just go to the hosting provider involved for that website to take care of it, & if I get resistance of any kind, I will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law.
Next, it's law enforcement who will be contacted, for both libel & criminal impersonation (or whatever charges it carries - you only brought this on yourself).
APK
If the ice crystals are pentagonal, they will form pentagonal snowflakes. This will give us a better chance of finding the snowflake with magic properties depicted on page 00062 of the Principia Discordia.
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." - Bob Dylan