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Apple Touch-Screen Netbook?

je ne sais quoi writes "The Apple rumor mill is churning today. Reuters and the DOW Jones news wire are reporting that an anonymous source in Taiwan has leaked that Apple has ordered some 10-inch touch-screens from WinTek, the maker of the touch-screen for the iPhone. It looks like an Apple netbook could possibly be in the works for a delivery date in Q3 of this year, in time for back-to-school sales. CNET and Engadget have completely unsubstantiated mock-ups."

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  1. Touchbook by Fri13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I would not bet the "Netbook" has a keyboard. More like small 10" tablet what has virtual keyboard.

    But actually I am not believing this "inside news" at all.

    1. Re:Touchbook by Zerth · · Score: 3, Funny

      So like an Ipod Mega or Kilo?

    2. Re:Touchbook by Onaga · · Score: 3, Funny

      No keyboard... maybe it's a touchscreen version of this.

    3. Re:Touchbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you really want to hold a 10" monster in one arm and try to navigate with the other?

      Your mom can do it quite well...

  2. Who wants this? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Obviously I am not in the market for one of these netbooks, but, I'm just wondering, WHO is the large target audience for these small screened, underpowered computers?

    Is it for people that ONLY do a little websurfing and email? Even with that...why not pony up just a few more $$ and get a real laptop?

    This is a question in general about the netbooks, not just the Apple one.

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    1. Re:Who wants this? by nicolas.kassis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Cause they already have a laptop but it's a pain to carry the thing around for your average meeting or what not. Plus, tons of people get them for college since they are cheap. The couple hundred bucks does make a difference. And they aren't really that underpowered. 2 years ago a mini9 would have been a perfectly good laptop.

    2. Re:Who wants this? by Spazztastic · · Score: 5, Funny

      WHO is the large target audience for these small screened, underpowered computers?

      *cough*porn*cough*

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    3. Re:Who wants this? by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ease of portability with a keyboard that can conceivably reach standard keyboard typing speeds is a big draw along with low power consumption to people who do a lot of writing. In the pre-netbook days, I used to have a Vadem Clio tablet which, despite its inadequacies (the biggest being the RS-232 port for transfer in a USB age), was terrific for taking places to write. The battery lasted for hours, it weighed next to nothing and it wasn't all that expensive compared to a full-sized notebook so I wasn't as worried about banging it around or getting it stolen. I added a wi-fi card to it and it enabled me to be extremely productive.

    4. Re:Who wants this? by geekoid · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hospital charting, Warehousing are jsut two industryies where someone walks around caring charts.
      Weight is very important.

      For home use, they could be used to allow guests to check their email quickly.

      I could us one to check my systems, a task I do not need a heavy awkward laptop to do.

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    5. Re:Who wants this? by prefec2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The good things about netbooks are:

      - They are cheap
      - They normally run hours without a recharge
      - They are small and lightweight so it's easy to carry them around
      - For most day by day tasks they are good enough
      - They boot fast, so it's more or less like using a real notebook (I mean these paper pencil things)

      The bad things are:
      - The screen is too small to do big tasks
      - They cannot be used for complex calculation problems
      - They have not enough storage for your torrented movie collection

      But the important thing is, netbooks are gadgets. They are cheap and they are good at the tasks they are designed to do. They are not fully fledged work machines. But hey, a fun car is not a truck either.

    6. Re:Who wants this? by AvitarX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny I thought the exact opposite.

      I wonder who is the target for large over-powered laptops. I mean, they don't have enough power to do real work, they're big and bulky too.

      Use a desktop when called for, and a small thing you can cart around should be a netbook.

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    7. Re:Who wants this? by Sabathius · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly. And just to set the record straight, the new Asus 1000he has the new Atom 280 micro and 9 hour (advertised...probably more like 8 and change) battery life. These highly portable computers are seeming more like a viable option and less like toys all the time.

    8. Re:Who wants this? by rinoid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My iPhone is my netbook.

      It's small, cheap, fits in my pocket, makes phone calls, plays music, videos, and games, reads documents, surfs the web, checks multiple email accounts, takes pictures, posts pictures, controls my home media center (a mini connected to tv/stereo) with the Remote app.

      I never expect it to do anything but the above so the screen size does not bother me when I attempt to say log into my server over SSH, or use a CMS ... but it works in a pinch.

      My point is, the netbook niche hasn't sparked a fire from within. I don't currently see a dividend to purchasing a full size laptop, a netbook, and a smart phone.

      I can cut out the middle purchase and truly have the best experience and simplify my consumption and gadget life.

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      I am very interested in a device that isn't perhaps a full sized laptop which I could carry around my house reading news, watching movies, and controlling my theatre. I get tired of having the laptop form factor to do all of this. I can imagine something but it probably wouldn't be a product Apple or anyone would introduce unless there was a simple hook a la iPod, iPhone that makes it compelling.

      That said, I can understand that netbooks are compelling to some consumers, just not me where it seems like gadget clutter instead.

    9. Re:Who wants this? by onefriedrice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This may not apply to you, but most of us don't use our mobile computing devices to simulate weather patterns or crack encryption algorithms. We have beefy desktop or server machines for that, and if we need that power while out and about, we can always just ssh or remote to the powerful machine. Otherwise, a netbook is perfectly capable of everyday tasks with the added benefits of increased mobility and better battery life (i.e. the new eeepc 1000he can get 7-8 hours realistically). As a developer, a netbook isn't my primary machine, but it's perfect for my mobility needs. I'd expect it would be an equally good mobile device for a network admin or student.

      You may not be in that target market, but at least now you know who they are. For many (most?) of us, the extra computing power of traditional laptops goes grossly underutilized, so why buy more than you need and get a less mobile computer in return?

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    10. Re:Who wants this? by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 4, Funny

      . . . pull it out of my pocket . . .

      You must have exeptionally large pockets. ; )

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    11. Re:Who wants this? by nojayuk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Hospital use -- how do you disinfect it? Will it survive being wiped down with astringent cleaning solutions several times a day?

      Warehousing -- drop it several times on a concrete floor from a metre up, landing on all four corners. Does it survive that experience and continue to function OK?

      There are portable data-logging devices that will survive that sort of treatment (and worse) and they're available today, but they don't come cheap. Any Apple netbook-type device is not going to find much of a market in those sorts of areas.

    12. Re:Who wants this? by quickOnTheUptake · · Score: 4, Funny

      Marsupial?

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    13. Re:Who wants this? by chunk08 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm currently looking at getting a netbookas a college student. Not because of cost concerns, but simply because I want something to type notes on with a battery life that will work for my 7 consecutive hours of lecture. There are uses for these things, not every computer has to be able to run folding@home, Crysis, and my web server at the same time.

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    14. Re:Who wants this? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'd have to agree partially, but the iPhone/iPod touch does have some serious limitations. I was using my iPod Touch this past weekend to update Twitter from a high school championship sporting event--yeah, I finally found a way to make Twitter useful--and the keyboard is not very good at all when you're trying to type quickly & accurately. None of the Twitter clients on the iPhone support landscape orientation, making typing a real pain in the neck. Also, how long is Apple going to be stubborn on the whole copy/paste issue? There were some LONG URL's I wanted to link to but couldn't. Both of these issues really slowed me down quite a bit. Don't get me wrong, I love my iPod Touch, but I don't think it would give a small netbook a run for it's money as far as being able to quickly enter data is concerned. Even an OLPC would have done a better job in this particular instance.

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    15. Re:Who wants this? by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Informative

      Their lowest-end laptop currently costs $999. So a tablet or netbook would almost definitely cost less.

    16. Re:Who wants this? by lostfayth · · Score: 4, Funny

      Is that really so terrible?

      I guess it's a matter of taste.

    17. Re:Who wants this? by jaavaaguru · · Score: 2, Informative

      Underpowered adjective: driven by an engine of insufficient power.

      The power of my 1.6GHz Atom netbook with 2GB RAM and a 16GB SSD is more than sufficient for doing normal office tasks, web surfing, video watching, and using development tools such as Eclipse and Komodo. Definitely not underpowered.

      The small screen is a bonus... my 12" laptop is too big to fit comfortably on the tables in many planes, whereas I can fit a snack and a drink next to my netbook while having the screen fully opened without touching the back of the chair in front of me. In the office or at home, I use it with an external keyboard and monitor.

    18. Re:Who wants this? by DdJ · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait, they're making netbooks that you can taste now? That really is going to revolutionize the porn industry.

    19. Re:Who wants this? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hospital use -- how do you disinfect it? Will it survive being wiped down with astringent cleaning solutions several times a day?

      We use the general purpose disinfectant wipes on laptops, cell phones, pages, stethoscopes, etc. all the time. A consumer quality computer product would do fine. You don't need to sterilize them. And you try to hire people that don't "drop" things all of the time. Seriously, the world isn't entirely made up of two year olds. I'd love one of these things if it ran OS X. If it were powerful enough to run Parallels or Crossover Office I'd buy a half dozen.

      You listening out there Apple? There is a giant world out there that doesn't watch videos or listen to music. They do useful things. With computers.

      We've got the money, honey, if you've got the time.

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    20. Re:Who wants this? by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 3, Insightful

      An iPhone is cheap? Since when?!?

    21. Re:Who wants this? by Glytch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just like how their current compact, low-power laptop costs less than their regular conventional laptop?

    22. Re:Who wants this? by Paracelcus · · Score: 3, Informative

      "They cannot be used for complex calculation problems", Huh? are you calculating an interstellar jump? They are plenty powerful enough for any normal (non gaming) activity.

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    23. Re:Who wants this? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I disagree on your last con - If you get an SSD netbook this is the case, but you can store quite a few movies on a 160GB hard drive if you get one of the $300-400 HD versions. (As opposed to the $200-300 SSD ones)

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    24. Re:Who wants this? by extrasolar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly. I don't know what this issue is all about, people say that netbooks just aren't powerful enough...for what? Really? They are just a smaller, more portable form of the same computers everyone was using two or three years ago. Someone has been falling for the marketing, or maybe people just refuse to run anything other than Vista/XP on their computers. I run Debian on my EEE and I've been using as my main computer. There are some things I wouldn't do on it, but, you know, computers are quite a bit more powerful than people give them credit for. I run TeX, Emacs, Firefox, TeXmacs and ghostview with no problem.

      It just seems sometimes that the only thing slashdotters use their computers is gaming.

  3. Dirty Screens by Spazztastic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now you can have a netbook with smudgy fingerprints all over the screen to match your iPhone.

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    1. Re:Dirty Screens by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

      Heh, from the subject line I might guess those smudgy bits aren't fingerprints.

      -1 Ewww, gross.

    2. Re:Dirty Screens by TeknoHog · · Score: 5, Funny

      And that's why they call it "GUI".

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  4. hold the keyboard please, need replacement Newton by WillAdams · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or at least do something interesting like having a second display function as a keyboard.

    Above all, update InkWell and provide good support for use as an ebook reader which could do .pdf annotations (adding a .pdf preview of all documents to file bundles would be ideal if such annotations could then be synched back into the document when it was opened in the originating app).

    William

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  5. And so the cycle begins anew... by aftk2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Apple Product Cycle:

    "An obscure component manufacturer somewhere in the Pacific Rim announces a major order for some bleeding-edge piece of technology that could conceivably become part of an expensive, digital-lifestyle-enhancing nerd toy."

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  6. The Apple Product Life Cycle by pauljlucas · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... an anonymous source in Taiwan has leaked that Apple has ordered some 10 inch touch-screens from WinTek, the maker of the touch-screen for the iPhone. It looks like an Apple netbook could possibly be in the works for a delivery date in Q3 of this year, in time for back-to-school sales.

    Yet another example of how this is so true.

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  7. The real question: Little laptop or big iPhone? by wisebabo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So will it be a computer running a "traditional" OS with the whole Windows, Icons, Mouse Pointer interface or will Apple make it a big iPhone like device that hides a lot of that stuff under a (relatively) minimalist user interface?

    Part of me wants the WIMP paradigm because of the additional control I have over files and folders but part of me wants to see how far you can take an interface based from the ground up on a purely touch interface (like the iPhone). [I think the advantage of a iPhone interface is that it is even simpler than a WIMP interface, no need to explain about files or directories etc. Great for the rest of... err.. them, like my mom!]

    Speaking of user interfaces, did anyone catch the new "Voice over" feature in the new iPod Shuffle? It seems this might be another (relatively) unexplored user interface design where a visual user interface is not available. Will this be incorporated into other Apple products (like multi-touch was transported from the iPhone to the MacBook touchpads?).

    I say "relatively" because obviously voice/audio cue interfaces are not new (every voice mail system uses them) but this is the first time I've seen it in a portable device.

    1. Re:The real question: Little laptop or big iPhone? by Late+Adopter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So will it be a computer running a "traditional" OS with the whole Windows, Icons, Mouse Pointer interface or will Apple make it a big iPhone like device that hides a lot of that stuff under a (relatively) minimalist user interface?

      A friend and I were arguing over this the other day. We agreed we really wanted something about the size of a Kindle but with a capacitive touchscreen, an LCD display, and a full suite of Internet apps.

      The argument was whether this would happen earliest by scaling up cell phones (iPhone, etc) or by scaling down netbooks. This makes a difference in terms of what audience is being targeted, and what style of interface/control is acceptable, even if the base hardware is exactly identical.

      I'm starting to side with him that it's going to be phones scaled up.

    2. Re:The real question: Little laptop or big iPhone? by joh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So will it be a computer running a "traditional" OS with the whole Windows, Icons, Mouse Pointer interface or will Apple make it a big iPhone like device that hides a lot of that stuff under a (relatively) minimalist user interface?

      If you take a decent resolution and a 10" screen, the OS X interface will *need* a stylus to make it usable and Apple won't release anything that needs a stylus. This is a very simple fact: Full OS X on a small touchscreen is just the wrong OS with the wrong UI. Period.

      So it will be the iPhone OS, just with a higher resolution and probably more functionality (c&p, some file manager). This will mean there won't be any apps for it at first, but iPhone developers should be up to speed very soon with this.

  8. No clamshell... by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 2

    It's going to be a 10 inch touch tablet. Essentially like a 10 inch iPod Touch. For say 800 bucks. It's going to be quarter of an inch thick, it'll be sweet, it won't be a "netbook" (hence the reason for the higher price) and it'll probably be missing something obvious like GPS.

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  9. Already THAT far? by denzacar · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would not bet the "Netbook" has a keyboard. More like small 10" tablet what has virtual keyboard.

    But actually I am not believing this "inside news" at all.

    We are at step 4 already?

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  10. Re:I'd Buy One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I wish people like you would stop existing so Apple would finally go out of business.

  11. Uberportable is important by dazedNconfuzed · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Indeed! I've had two Sony ultraportable notebooks (10" screens). Being able to easily take it everywhere is practically life-changing. Allowing that a few functions were limited (i.e.: serious gaming), computing became available to me wherever a regular notebook (and certainly desktops) couldn't. Pricy, yes, but worth it.

    Marching technology forward, prices have dropped and general use requirements have plateaued, leading to the sudden discovery by manufacturers that there is, in fact, huge demand for small light (and now cheap) computers that do most things well, and do them everywhere.

    Triangulating this, the iPhone / iPod Touch has shown there's a market even for pocket-sized devices with largely the same capacity. Having gotten a Touch, I've nearly abandoned my aformentioned ultraportable notebook due to (of all things) its relatively large size and inconvenience. That the Touch and iPhone are also iPods is almost coincidental, thanks to the web browsing / email / apps capabilities. Expand the Touch platform into a 7"-10" screen, and bump up the computing power & battery using the extra space, and dang that would sell big. The "virtual keyboard" works fine; maybe not quite as fast as clicking switches, but pretty close - add bluetooth and the keyboard/mouse angle is instantly covered.

    Being able to take 90% of your computing needs everywhere, all the time, is huge. Clamshells and keyboards are the big hinderance at this point. A thin multi-touch slate, with instant-on & aggressive connectivity, would sell big. Clicky keyboards are so 20th century...

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  12. Are they taking on Axiotron? by slummy · · Score: 2, Informative
  13. Please mash the screen with your palm. by CompMD · · Score: 3, Funny

    Its an ipod touch for fat people! Multitouch on a small screen must suck for them.

  14. The question is... by Opinari · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What will the price point be on this device? If it's in the $499 range, it might be worth a look. However, when I can buy a Dell Mini with a 16 GB SSD and 2 GB of memory for less than $350, and install Leopard on it for $85 + the cost of a couple of USB flash drives, why would I want to pay much more than that?

  15. NETBOOK CONFIRMED by Deanalator · · Score: 4, Funny

    I checked on the Internet, and can confirm that this is true.

    On a side note, can slashdot have a special place for articles with titles that end in a question mark?

  16. What it may look like by qazwart · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Apple has a way of completely rethinking whatever category they go into, and then revolutionizing that category in such a way that all other contenders now play catch up.

    Look at the iPod that entered a market already dominated by other MP3 players and became the market leader. Look at the iPhone that entered the smart phone market and created a device that everyone has tried to copy.

    If Apple is entering the netbook market. I would assume that their "netbook" won't look like a typical netbook. Nor, will it operate like a typical netbook.

    Most netbooks have separate memory from their storage. (512Megs of memory vs. 8Gb of storage). I suspect that the Apple will use the same memory for both storage and memory.

    Most netbooks are modeled upon being smaller versions of laptops. Apple's won't follow that model. Most netbooks also run standard desktop OSs like Linux or Windows XP. Again, I doubt Apple would take that approach.

    Look at how people use Netbooks. They surf the Tubes, they chat, they use Internet based applications. They don't necessarily use Microsoft Office or connect to a typical business network. They don't even normally store documents on their netbooks. Apple will use this information to create an entirely new netbook format.

    I suspect that it will look something like a large iPod Touch with a keyboard. There will be no mouse (touch screen) and no desktop (like the iPod Touch). You can store files, but not use standard Mac OS X applications. Initial release may not even let you install applications although I suspect that some sort of AppStore will let you download special "Netbook" applications that are based upon current iPhone apps.

    I would not be surprised if that keyboard is a full sized keyboard stored in a typical netbook format. I suspect that Apple's netbook will weigh around a pound. Maybe less. And that it will include a 4Gb size, an 8Gb size a 16Gb size, and a 32Gb size. Of course, iPod functionality will be built in too. You will also be able to synchronize it to a Mac and maybe a PC.

  17. Re:I'd Buy One by silent_artichoke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    WTF is sexy about a computer? I am sick of seeing this term used in every stupid tech review. Attractive? Ok, I guess it attracts my attention. Eye-pleasing? Sure, that works. But does anyone really, seriously get sexually aroused by a stupid Macbook or any kind of technology? Enough already!

    And you all know I'm not talking about the pr0n we watch on it, I'm talking about the device itself.

  18. not for a netbook by Sarin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    the 17inch MacBook Pro has a lot of room beneath the keyboard.
    Instead of a keypad, there could be room for a 10inch touchscreen.
    It would add some extra value to this relative expensive member of the MacBook family.

  19. 3D interface by rift321 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Anyone think this might be the debut of the 3-dimensional GUI that Apple patented last year?