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UK To Mull High Video Game Taxes — To Fight Knife Crime

chareverie writes "The Prime Minister of the UK is being urged to impose high taxes on violent video games in an effort to reduce the number of knife-related crime. The request comes from Richard Taylor, who argues that young people 'feel that the law has no control over them. They just feel that they can go on the streets and do whatever they like.' He doesn't have a definitive number on how much to tax on the offensive video games, but says that they should be 'very high.' Rap music is also voiced to be a concern due to the alleged negativity and language. Taylor's son, Damilola Taylor, was killed in November 2000 at the age of 10 by knife stabbing."

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  1. Please correct my logic by pembo13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People spending more time playing video games have less time to stab people.

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    1. Re:Please correct my logic by kick6 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Please correct my logic

      This is the part where you fail. You erroneously assume that logic comes into play in the English government.

    2. Re:Please correct my logic by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You erroneously assume that logic comes into play with government.

      Fixed that for you ;)

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    3. Re:Please correct my logic by interstellar_donkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dangit, when will people realize that it's the parent's responsibility to teach their children how to stab, not video games.

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    4. Re:Please correct my logic by bongomanaic · · Score: 5, Informative

      Firearms have no particular cultural or constitutional significance in Great Britain. US law may be based on English common law, but the reverse isn't true. The right to bear arms in English Law has always been restricted to those weapons that were suitable for the purpose of self-defence. In a society where the probability of encountering a gun-wielding assailant is very small there are few individuals for whom a handgun is a suitable defensive weapon. Gun ownership has never been widespread in Britain and most people would prefer to keep it that way, regardless of constitutional controversies in foreign lands.

    5. Re:Please correct my logic by mdwh2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed - the problem is that in this country, having a murdered son or daughter apparently gives you the right to pass a law banning whatever you like in your dead child's name. You'll get national media coverage for your campaign, and if the Government agrees, they'll use you as an emotional figurehead, promoting you as the emotive reason why Something Must Be Done.

      I saw it with Liz Longhurst and her crusade to criminalise possession of porn she doesn't like, which has now passed. Even now, she continues to pop up in the media again and again giving her uninformed one-sided views, whilst individuals, organisations and academics who opposed the law have had to fight to get even a slim amount of coverage. Anyone who dares criticise her is accused of being disrespectful, whilst it's okay for her to tell those who risk being criminalised "hard luck".

      Grieving parents shouldn't be given additional media attention for political campaigning, over anyone else, and they are the last people we should be consulting for an unbiased and unemotional viewpoint on lawmaking.

  2. Well, next... by halivar · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now that they've done away with all gun and knife crimes, they need to fight shillelagh crimes. Shillelagh crimes have been steadily on the rise, doubling from one to two in just ten years. Even worse, some oafs are starting to hammer nails into their shillelaghs, just so they have metal pokey-bits to inflict more damage.

    We need to tax all carpenters and lumberyards in the UK, or our youth will pay a terrible price in violence and fear.

    1. Re:Well, next... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whew! For a minute, I thought you wanted to tax me Lucky Charms.

  3. HUH? by trdrstv · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If raising taxes is a method of fighting crime (it's not, but supposing it is) then why not raise taxes on the sale of knives ?

    1. Re:HUH? by DrScotsman · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well whatever he's smoking will probably be taxed with the money going to convince people to quit.

    2. Re:HUH? by DrVomact · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Um, yes, why not do that? If the sale of knives creates some danger in society, than it should be taxed equal to that danger and the funds should go toward extra police or similar.

      Raising taxes can indeed be a way of fighting crime.

      Oh really. Do you have any examples or argument for this astonishingly fatuous assertion? To the extent that taxes affect crime, it is that they create an opportunity for it. If you raise taxes on a commodity enough, it becomes profitable to bypass the tax—in other words, a black market springs into existence to satisfy the economic imbalance created by the tax. Of course, outright prohibition works even better at creating crime, because people must necessarily pay the going price for outlawed commodities. And that means profit. Or did you think that people would say, "oh no, coke is too expensive now because it's illegal, so I guess I'll stop using it". (Substitute substance of your choice, if you like.)

      I suppose one could argue that the British prohibition of civilian gun ownership has had an effect: instead of "gun crime", they now have hysterics over "knife crime". But I would like to think that the true objective of the British government was to stop violent crime; I would like to think that the commodity to be limited was violence, not firearms per se. If so, they would have to admit the failure of their prohibitive laws. I would be naive if I really believed anything of the sort, of course.

      I suppose that when they ban knives, they will have "club crime" and "rock crime". (Sounds like a new sort of music, doesn't it?)

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  4. They would be better off by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if they would put police on the street. Apparently, spy cameras don't deter knife crime unless someone actually gets arrested for it.

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  5. Re:Correlation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Exactly. I knew a kid from bible camp 12 years ago who now is in federal prison for killing and wearing the skin of 16 flemish prostitutes. I always knew Jesus killed, but now that I know video games also kill, what will save us all? We must seek Mel Gibson for council.

  6. video games by BigHungryJoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you can't see the causal relationship between video games and stabbing hookers, then you've never played Hello Kitty Island Adventure.

  7. Misleading Summary by Shrike82 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Far be it from me to suggest that people RTFA or question the correctness of a summary title, but the father of a murdered boy urging the Prime Minister to tax violent games is a pretty big fucking step from the "UK To Mull High Video Game Taxes - To Fight Knife Crime " in the summary title.

    Just for clarity - the UK government aren't doing anything like what's being implied. One man, rightly or wrongly, is suggesting this.

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  8. Re:Separation of problem and solution by pluther · · Score: 5, Funny

    Instead, how about imposing some more forceful law over those that feel the law is irrelevant to their actions? When actions start having real consequences, people can and will change.

    Exactly.

    So, instead of raising taxes on video games, they should impose a tax on stabbing people.

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  9. Bullying was the cause of Damilola's death by bendytendril · · Score: 5, Interesting

    He was stabbed by a gang of 11 to 14-year-olds. The boy's mother had complained repeatedly to the principal about bullies, yet he did nothing.

    Bullying is the real problem here which should be addressed.

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  10. Re:Correlation... by julesh · · Score: 5, Informative

    Unfortunately, most idiots who spout drivel like this don't even have a strong correlation in the first place. Sales of violent video games may be up, and knife crimes might be up, but is it even the kids playing the games committing the crimes?

    It's worse than that. Knife crime is down. The number of people injured by knives and other sharp instruments is down (although not by as much as was previously reported). Incidence of violent crime in general is down.

    This hysteria and panic is caused by, well, nothing. Except the fact that for some unknown reason over the last 5 years the media has become much more likely to report each and every incident of violence with a knife that they get to hear about.

    So, if there is any correlation, it's a negative one: more video games, less knife crime.

  11. Re:Correlation... by Fallen+Seraph · · Score: 5, Informative

    In 2005, there was a major layoff of teachers from the public school system of Minneapolis. That same year, there was a dramatic surge in the number of hurricanes to hit the Gulf Coast.

    As such, either
    1) Laying off teachers causes hurricanes
    2) Hurricanes cause teachers to be laid off
    3) Teacher get laid off in Minneapolis for the same reason hurricanes form, namely, warm water and air currents off the east coast of Africa moving toward the colder central Atlantic ocean

    Correlation implies absolutely nothing without substantially stronger evidence to tie the threads together, and no, anecdotal evidence doesn't count.

  12. Re:They're taxing the wrong thing! by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Funny

    But according to the CCTV footage, the criminals start by crouch-walking to their targets, then they start stabbing at one stab per second while still two meters away, escalating to bunny hopping if the victim fights back, and eventually crouching again after the crime.

  13. Re:Correlation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's fine though. It cauterizes the wound, so you don't bleed out. It's the way to stab someone while still saying "I care".