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Berners-Lee Says No To Internet Snooping
Jack Spine writes "The inventor of the World Wide Web has pointed out some of the dangers of deep packet inspection. Sir Tim said that ISPs 'snooping' on data was similar to the interception of mail. 'This is very important to me, as what is at stake is the integrity of the internet as a communications medium,' Berners-Lee said on Wednesday. TBL's comments come as the UK government is gearing up to intercept all web communications in the UK through the Intercept Modernisation Programme, and echo comments he made last year about Phorm."
The Modern State of Israel: Providence, Miracle, or What Really Happened
http://www.daily.pk/world/middle-east/9635-exclusive-the-modern-state-of-israel-providence-miracle-or-what-really-happened.html
Tuesday, 10 March 2009 21:30
The Modern State of Israel: Providence, Miracle, or What Really Happened, Part 1
The following Glossary, abbreviations and essay will help the reader understand how Theodor Herzl on August 29, 1897 predicted that within fifty years there would be a Jewish state.
Zionism: an organization of Jews who believed the Jewish people needed a nation of their own to escape persecution.
Judaism: Jews collectively who practice a religion based on the Torah and the Talmud.
RothIsm or Rothschildism: abbreviation for The Zionist movement corrupted and co-opted by The House of Rothschild and their agents to advance a New World Order agenda. In 1871 Albert Pike founder of one of the Rothschild secret societies, Order of Perfectibilists, received a vision, which he described in a letter dated August 15, 1871 that graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order. ... Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. [1]
The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion...We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm
RBZJ: The Rothschild Backed Zionist Jews, acronym used when referring to anyone connected to or related to the House of Rothschild.
RAGENT: Abbreviation for a Rothschild Agent
The House of Rothschild (the Rothschilds): Global financial empire founded in the late 18th century by a dynasty of Khazars, an ancient people from Georgia. [2]
The Rothschilds control a vast portion of the world's wealth and are the hidden hand behind all the social-cataclysms: the French, Russian and American Revolutions; Communism, Capitalism, World Wars and the Modern State of Israel. The Rothschilds are not the Jews of the bible and do not practice Judaism.
Mel Gibson would have been correct if he had claimed, The Rothschilds are responsible for all the wars in the world. The "Labour Leader" newspaper of Britain on December 19, 1891 referred to the Rothschilds when they wrote:
This blood-sucking crew has been the cause of untold mischief and misery in Europe during the present century, and has piled up its prodigious wealth chiefly through fomenting wars between States which ought never to have quarreled. Wherever there is trouble in Europe, wherever rumors of war circulate and men's minds are distraught with fear of change and calamity you may be sure that a hook-nosed Rothschild is at his games somewhere near the region of the disturbance (ibid, p. 12).
In "Imperialism," writer J. A. Hobson wrote: "No Great War could be undertaken by any European State...if the house of Rothschild and its connections set their face against it" (ibid, p, 25).
The "Labour Leader" did not use the t
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
The inventor of the world wide what?
My Babylon
I remember 10 years ago that every nerd had a PGP key and Schneier's Applied Cryptography was a standard text for our crowd. Now, the majority of even the hard-core geeks no longer have much interest in encryption. Somewhere along the way we forgot that every step forward on the net demands a way to guarantee privacy. Berners-Lee might regret the lack of privacy now, but he and other luminaries weren't vocal enough about the need for encryption and lots of it.
world wide pants!
I just heard a screaming moron run by...
...or maybe it was your sense of humor running away from you!
Encrypt everything. Even if you have no reason to, encrypt everything, because someday it might bite you in the ass.
Which side are you on: CONTROL or KAOS? That is the question. The Government can only answer that question if it can intercept your communications. Are you going to let them? Can you stop them? Do you care?
All I can say is that you should Get Smart!
People like Sir Tim need to speak out on such issues, because their contributions to science and technology are touted by our leaders as 'proof' of Britain being a modern, forward thinking society - rather than the withered, reactionary, largely technophobic old empire we in fact are.
If we can put a man on the moon, why can't we shoot people for Apollo-related non-sequiturs?
Is normal paper mail 'snooped' nowadays? Big box mail usually is, but envelopes? Sensible question, but if it is... in that sense snooping packets would make sense.
We are the village green preservation society
God save donald duck, vaudeville and variety
We are the desperate dan appreciation society
God save strawberry jam and all the different varieties
Preserving the old ways from being abused
Protecting the new ways for me and for you
What more can we do?
We are the draught beer preservation society
God save Mrs. Mopp and good old Mother Riley
We are the custard pie appreciation consortium
God save the George Cross and all those who were awarded them
We are the Sherlock Holmes English speaking vernacular
Help save Fu Manchu, Moriarty and Dracula
We are the office block persecution affinity
God save little shops, china cups and virginity
We are the skyscraper condemnation affiliate
God save Tudor houses, antique tables and billiards
Preserving the old ways from being abused
Protecting the new ways for me and for you
What more can we do?
God save the village green.
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
'snooping' on data is NOT similar to the interception of mail.
It is similar to the postman reading the information on the postcard. For people who do not like that the envelope was invented.
Encryption is your envelope.
That's it. https.
Server operators that care for it will have it. Stupids will be snooped on. We do need some substitute for natural selection, after all.
Nothing to see here, move on.
Get over yourself. Hoover had the phone system built to tap in the 1950s. The cellphone networks have voice recognition software all over it. Spy satellites watch people leave their homes. There are radiation detectors at all major ports. You are scanned to the nines when your board a public passenger jet.
Yet Sir Timmy wants an unfettered control channel free from snooping that is so fast, it can be used for real-time feedback, to come in and out of every corporation, every public utility, every school and every home in a nation under threat from global nuclear attack and information warfare around the clock by the Chinese? And I'm not just talking to US citizens out there in Slashdotland, all Europeans, all Russians, everyone - set up SSH and tcpdump and watch the brute forcers from China start in on you.
Net Neutrality is a good thing, lack of QoS on the internet is a "good thing". Being free to set up an IP stream to do ANYTHING, safe in the knowledge that nobody is watching? That is a bullshit Ivory Tower shithead thing, and he ought to STFU.
Encryption gives a sometimes false sense of security, and the technology is a hassle. It's better to reinforce societal expectations for privacy where it is due, and let social mechanisms (like laws and market reputation) do the job.
Consider e.g. that if you use https from your workplace and see the happy little lock icon in FF or IE, you probably feel safe.
But some workplaces insert a proxy in between you and gmail (or what have you), having stuffed the proxy's certificate on your (their) work machine through local policy. Unbeknownst to you, your employer then sees the communication which you thought was totally private. Now imagine if an ISP could do that and get away with it.
The point is that even if you do *care*, the technology is hard to keep track of, and there is an arms-race ladder of one-upmanship that makes this a never-ending game, which some nerds can win, and most of us will lose.
What will really keep you safe is to stand up for a reasonable expectation of privacy where it should exist, and create norms and laws that protect this. Saying "NO" to Phorm or other invasions by ISPs is part of that approach, and creates legal and commercial consequences that are more effective than asking every grandma to mess with PGP.
When governments start snooping on everything they make it harder to snoop on criminals in the future. This makes lots more people want secure networks, which makes more people create tools to make it easy to send/receive encrypted data, which makes even the people who don't know about the issues aware of the issues and tools. Once the tools/protocols become normal, police won't be able to snoop on suspected criminals even with a court order because everything is encrypted.
That'll just make them pass more laws and restrict ISPs so that unsnoopable content isn't allowed. Which will make people start creating stenogrphy tools so things look snoopable, which will make other people aware of the issues and wonder why the gov't is so concerned and start using them.
Then people start using those tools and snooping becomes more expensive (trying to detect stenogaphy) and still useless. But it will get lots of otherwise innocent people in trouble for using encryption or stenography to do something unimportant like send email to their mother.
If police stick to treating everyone as innocent until they had a valid reason to think otherwise and then got a court order they will have a lot more ability to snoop in the future.
It's fucking sad to read this, and think you actually believe what you're writing.
So basically the consequence of what you're saying is "Ban encryption, because those bloddy terrorists/chinese spies/pedophiles/software pirates might use it to do something evil"? Yeah, good idea. Tomorrow on CNN: Door locks banned. They prevent police from entering criminals' homes, police say.
Lack of QoS is not a good thing. I want routers to respect the IP TOS field. It's there for a reason. Lack of non-standard QoS is the bad thing. With QoS I can use bittorrent and play games at the same time, without it there's no prioritization and the game lags. It's the deep-packet inspection that's intrusive crap.
Not a sentence!
>> Sir Tim said that ISPs 'snooping' on data was similar to the interception of mail
Actually, if you think about it, the Post Office also ask about the _type_ of content in your mail: document (letter) ? CD/books ? or fire arms ? ;-)
i admit Post office does not read the words in your letter.
Is this a reply for another parent? I'm not implying anything, I want to know if there are countries where envelope mail is opened for 'snooping'.
Did I say ban encryption? No, I don't think I did.
Investigate encrypted IP streams from US IP ranges to Chinese ones? You betcha.
..Internets browse you!
Encrypt, encrypt, encrypt. Strong encryption. Nothing more to say.
Everyone knows Al Gore invented the www. ~:-)
Sir Tim, posted his personal view to #swig on irc.freenode.net [1]
http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/NoSnooping.html
[1] http://swig.xmlhack.com/2009/03/11/2009-03-11.html#1236787895.276276
What Al Gore thinks of this.
FreeBSD bounties
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That's like asking Al's father what he thinks of the CHP or state troopers.
The internet then defiantly turned around and screamed, "YES!"
If you can read this, I forgot to post anonymously.
"No Carrier" to you is purely a Slashdot meme, right?
That was David Letterman!
The ability to intercept and scan all of a users incoming internet traffic --isn't that exactly like what the US has been doing for years and years with Carnivore, Omnivore (the windows version), Packeteer, etc. for years and years... excpet that Britain is about 10 years behind in their draconian tactics. Its good to see that others can be as draconian as the US.
So helping Chinese people get around the Great Firewall should get you investigated by a bunch of Gestapo wannabes? That's idiotic.
This already happens to every electronic transmission in Sweden - in full violation of EU laws because inter-border transmissions are the target. Denmark and Finland protested..Norway said less than it could have, but by-and-large, this was brushed aside and the EU just kept quiet about it. Now it is spreading. It's no coincidence
Even thinking that this is reasonable is amazingly foolish. If you are concerned that Internet snooping is a problem, then the solution isn't to demand that it not take place. The solution is to nullify it. You can only be assured that it won't happen if it cannot (technically) reasonably happen.
If door locks actually prevented police from entering homes, you can bet they would be banned.
Good to see Slashdot has finally picked this up. I sent them the press release about the event last week and as one of the organisers of the event and founder of NoDPI.Org I am pleased to say the event went incredibly well and the press coverage has been amazing. Now would be a good time for people in the UK to write to their MP's directly to discuss the event and make it clear to them that you expect them to research the issue for the purpose of parliamentary debate or you will not be voting for them in the next election. Alexander Hanff NoDPI.Org
So does anybody believe they don't already do that here in the U.S.A?
World Wide Weiner Dog
You have no idea how the world works.
Yes, it's a reply to somebody else who has been modded -1, so you don't see his comment. Hence my comment appears to be a reply to yours although it isn't. Weird but true :-)